Honestly as an artist, I feel like people should look at streaming full time the same way they do for full time artists. Go into it because you love it, and expect nothing -- because the entry bar for monetization is at least a year, whereas full-time can be a couple of years to many years to sometimes never.
It took me 5-7 years to reach minimum wage in Patreon as an indie game dev (... before expenses or taxes). On the bright side, it took me 2 years before it paid itself (but even then I didn't spend that much).
@@nevisysbryd7450 This is true to a degree. First of all one has to learn HOW to stream. Streaming is different from video creation but both have bits and pieces that apply. You still have to have a title that is done well and gets attention, the streamer has to plan out whether it be in his head or written down topics that they want to cover be plus respond to chat as that is the bulk of the content. Those skills need to be developed. After that comes the marketing, which is best done by using RU-vid shorts and TikToks and drive the traffic from there to the stream channel be it on RU-vid or Twitch. This removes a lot of the luck out of the operation as focusing on good retention on either site will grow the channel - Also creating content that other people want to talk about it, post about it whatever (that's the real hard part, that's when you really take off) - It is doable but it can take years to do and it is that essential part of being a business - marketing that is the key to growth along with the other skills such as story telling and what not
I want to add something to this video discussion: "Find Your Center." Possibly the best analogy to VTubing I've ever found in a movie was DreamWorks "Rise of the Guardians," where Jack Frost first starts out as a normal human brother, but he catches the attention of The Man on the Moon and is elevated to a higher standing as a Spirit which could be believed in, but not at first does anybody. This initial step into Becoming Jack Frost is the journey of a small independent streamer getting noticed by a larger and more successful streamer, and then carries that opportunity by being who they naturally are as a streamer, thereby even if only a single child truly believed in Jack Frost, the magic is real for that small audience that he is truly blessed to be had. This is later juxtaposed by the crisis caused by The Boogieman when he erodes the numbers-based belief power of Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, who shrink in size of power so fast and devastatingly because of how mighty they had rested on their laurels. This flaw existed because, as Santa Claus pointed out to Jack Frost, the most successful Spirit is the one who Finds Their Center, their one thing that makes them who they are. This thing, whatever it may be, they must never betray themselves either with it or for it, lest the power of belief vested in them by humanity will be instantly ripped out from under their feet. What made The Guardians so particularly vulnerable was that, just like in VTubing, they formed a scripted collaboration talent agency, like in NijiSanji for example, their characters each have power on their own, but together they form a coherent ecosystem of narrative, a pantheon that shares in believers. Just like when Selen Tatsuki was stripped of their place in that believer's pantheon, the power of belief in NijiSanji was severely damaged, in practically the same way that when the Easter Bunny failed to deliver their content on time, The BoogieMan won by the Guardians losing so much light so fast and collectively, and it broke all NijiSanji talents in all sorts of ways as the magic was thrown into doubt and disbelief. What then became of DokiBird proved beyond all doubt why Jack Frost deserved to be a Guardian, because his power was truly and always his own, it wasn't a power because he was a member of a group, it was his power because it came from his own center of being, that this is what children and Dragoons always believed in the most. And this is contrast to what groups like VShojo get so right that each member is their own character. Their own self makes them each worthy of their shared believers, that their pantheon is inclusive and free to be, but they earned it by having found each their own center. That's why no BoogieMan can touch them, they don't fear loss like a stressed-out corporate talent does, they don't own themselves. To put it another way, in the restaurant industry, the very best places in the world get their Michelin Stars by cooking only one dish perfectly, the true food they serve the best is what they are as the chef who makes it. Compare this to a Subway restaurant, they make a hundred styles of sandwiches and nobody wants to eat any of them, because they betrayed the cookies they're so good at making!? VTubing has this exact same problem throughout the industry, as companies are so busy making sandwich talents that all taste the same no matter what toppings you stuff into suck baka bread, and if you so much as misplace a single topping of your pre-defined character role, you get fired from the job instantly. All companies stream generally the same content program and end up getting into the exact same controversies, but it's the indie talents that, when they assemble like a box of a dozen cookies each, no two talents are identical, each flavor compliments enjoying all the others, and there was never a pre-defined recipe for success burdened upon any of them. This is the secret to success, don't try to be one of a hundred sandwiches in a single company, instead, make yourself like one cookie you enjoy being, do yourself best, bake it until you make it! Don't worry about how you will market yourself, and don't worry about doing so many things all at once. Just be something delicious that the audience wants to gobble you up? Find your center by making your own recipe.
Most of these people that give advices like these mean well but there's a very small pool of outliers who have already been doing content creation for 10 years already but still have yet to break 1,000 subs. :/
people that think that they can become a full time streamer with just tips. It is not a easy thing to become a full time streamer are people dumb you need a lot of time, effort, money, and the most you need is luck. A viral clip or a collaboration or a Tiktok or RU-vid following at least in the 10 thousands, or more and a interesting personality so do you think that you still can become a streamer in 2024. When everybody is trying it and not even a few kinda work out. but if you really want to try your best i hope it works out for you
To be fair thats 99% of jobs nowadays so its not even like its that hard to believe the idea of doing full time is to far out of the realm of a passable job
No, it's not bro stop the cope. You go to school, you gain information experience, and a diploma atleast in the country where i live if you live in America than that 99% statement might be true eitherway it's different when you only start a channel with 0 subscribers.
@ZmeoZ any job no matter what when you first get one is getting lucky and even then the job no matter the country isnt guaranteed to be able to support you
@brandonhowell5096 Finding a job isn't the same as trying to become a streamer, but i guess it is different in other countries, and yeah, some are lucky to get a job that's true for someone that didn't expect to even get the job. And you sign contracts, buddy, if you get a real full-time job, so you are sure of the support.
@ZmeoZ how are they not similar exactly you work you butt off to get it and once you do you make barely anything until you become important. So please explain how they aredifferent?
I think in her case she got really sick for a while and had to leave her job so she started just streaming more because she enjoyed it, she made friends with Haruka, Zen and Mousey and the rest is history. But yeah she really knows her stuff and is a very educated individual. She is an excellent asset to Vshojo and if she ever graduates she will probably go behind the scenes to grow the company as long as they treat her right
no one should stream full time (as in streaming is The Thing that You Do). the time investment doesn't make sense. even if you are at the very tippy top of the streaming world where streaming more is actually better, the real money is still elsewhere. in which case, you would have employees doing the actual work so you can relax and do react streams all day every day i guess. sleep on stream. who cares. even twitch itself has always been losing money hand over fist. it's not profitable. but yeah okay you really want to stream, well, look at the numbers you are making. can your streaming income pay your rent and so on? is this even remotely reliable? (it's not and it isn't a long term situation no matter how well you are doing)
