So fun - Ken trying to explain that we dont have to take ourselves and traditions of expression so seriously - and most of us focusing on his look instead of focusing on listening deeply to his message
How wonderful to listen to Ken again. His work changed my life from the first moment I learned about his philosophy - I have such gratitude for having experienced it in my life. Thank you also to Niall for arranging this interview - much appreciated 🙏
I've never met Ken but I was transformed by reading his book Brief History of Everything that my friend and roommate in London at the time of our Polish exodus from Poland in 2002. Alek was not too interested initially as he treated it as a practical joke from his enlighten friends to give him a gift of his drive to know it all... 😂 So I started reading it and got integrally informed initiated relieved that there's a guy there's a man who had similar conundrum and put it out into understandle words. Many times interwoven with humour. Shortly after reading that book I spontaneously started undergoing nature mystisism type of oneness experience. I was desperate torn apart lost confused and lost isolated broken traumatised abused.... Ultimate victim furious young age 27 strong fit intelligent educated but immature trapped in pain and I got that grace of insight of liberation release from my limited self taken through the journey of the evolution of the manifestation looking at itself through my own eyes becoming aware of itself. I wrote a lot in my notebook like channeling I looked outside of my window and I realised I'm one with the tree I looked further I was one with the area building roads cars I looked further I was one with the horizon sky clouds. I went downstairs to open the door to my housemate I saw the energetic fields of aura around her being like from Carlos Castaneda books and I questioned myself if my experience is informed by my recently acquired knowledge or if there's something universal. I met my other housemate and I saw her aura. I left to go for a walk and the awareness stayed with me intensely for around a day than I was exalted and embarked on 20 years journey through variety of practices school's modalities therapies to get there back... And that's were I am remembering all of it and surrendering to this transformation.
KWilber's "Integral Theory" is the MOST comprehensive & UseFull 'Map' of TheShallowDeepParadoxicalMysteryOf . . . TheAllThatIs(Not) that 'i_I' 😎 have discovered so Far . . . 🙏
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🧠 *The good, the true, and the beautiful in Western Philosophy represent different perspectives - first, second, and third person.* 01:53 📚 *Developmental psychology reveals that individuals progress through various stages, each with a distinct worldview, from archaic to integral.* 04:48 🌐 *Integrating developmental models unveils a holistic perspective where diverse worldviews fit together, offering a comprehensive understanding of human growth.* 08:30 🕉️ *A profound spiritual awakening led Ken Wilber to explore Zen Buddhism and recognize the importance of mystical experiences in realizing oneness with the universe.* 12:25 📖 *Ken Wilber's "The Spectrum of Consciousness" introduced the concept of developmental stages as different colors of the same spectrum, highlighting both cognitive and mystical growth.* 17:31 🔍 *Wilber's exploration led to the distinction between "waking up" (mystical experiences) and "growing up" (developmental stages), revealing diverse yet interconnected paths of human evolution.* 21:23 🔄 *The differentiation between interior (individual cognitive growth) and exterior (societal and technological advancement) perspectives forms the basis of Wilber's four quadrants framework.* 27:05 🌐 *The integral framework encompasses first, second, and third-person perspectives, integrating individual and collective experiences across interior and exterior dimensions.* 28:27 🧠 *Integral Theory integrates multiple perspectives, including ego development stages, into a cohesive framework.* 29:59 🌍 *The Good, the True, and the Beautiful represent first, second, and third person perspectives, essential in Western philosophy.* 32:38 💭 *Every holon, even atoms, have four quadrants according to Integral Theory.* 33:54 📚 *Different quadrants have distinct epistemologies and ontologies, influencing perspectives on reality.* 45:20 🔌 *Cancel culture is an upper left quadrant phenomenon influenced by lower and right quadrants, including collective communication through technology.* 51:06 🧩 *Integral thinking integrates perspectives from magic to postmodernism, seeing the validity in all viewpoints.* 55:05 🌐 *When 10% of the population adopts a worldview, such as integral thinking, it can lead to widespread societal change.* 55:32 🧠 *Turquoise integral thinking represents a stage of development, with only 0.5% of the population currently at this level.* 56:49 🌍 *Integral thinkers, predominantly professors, are growing slowly within the population.* 57:41 🌱 *Humanity's evolution is driven by forces that push towards integral development.* 01:03:15 ⚔️ *Integral thinking is expected to reduce warfare significantly as it permeates culture.* 01:05:28 📚 *The upcoming book "Finding Radical Wholeness" explores integral theory and methodologies for personal growth.* Made with HARPA AI
I don’t really care what any particular person BELIEVES. You may believe that there is an old man with a white beard perched in the clouds, that Ultimate Reality is a young blackish-blue Indian guy, that the universe is eternal, that Mother Mary was a certifiable virgin, or that gross physical matter is the foundation of existence. The ONLY thing that really matters is your meta-ethics, not your meta-physics. Do you consider any form of non-monarchical governance (such as democracy or socialism) to be beneficial? Do you unnecessarily destroy the lives of poor, innocent animals and gorge on their bloody carcasses? Do you believe homosexuality and transvestism are moral? Do you consider feminist ideology to be righteous? If so, then you are objectively immoral and your so-called “enlightened/awakened” state is immaterial, since it does not benefit society in any way.
Thank you for this great interview! 🎉 When Ken mentions Jane Loevinger and her Ego Development Theory, he surely implicitly means our friend Susanne Cook-Greuter’s wonderful work in this area. She expanded Loevinger’s model significantly.
Great guest. I’ve been following Ken and Integral Life a few years ago. It’s a great opportunity to new people to met Integral thinking and excellent models or maps of reality.
I love that Ken has essentially went underground. His current manifestation is undoubtedly conventional repellent. lol I think it’s good too because it probably burns off a lot of the ‘mixing the map with the territory’ that so many of his followers fall victim to.
BJMAS: The Dialogue based on between “The Same Completely Inclusive Faith with Its Principium of Natural Laws of the Compounding-Corresponding-Trinity Presents and Unfolds Through Different Ways and Methods in Science, Philosophy, Religion, Etc. Please send this information to Mr. Kenneth Earl Wilber. Thank you!
To me Ken Wilber's integral approach of transcend and include is profound. I have learned a lot from it. However I have expanded that into esoteric teachings such as mystery schools and esoteric alchemy. For example Rudolf Steiner's view is very different from Ken Wilber's and adds a new dimension. Very different from Wilber's exoteric perspective with esoteric terms that often are veiled and sometimes even have multiple meanings.
I am not really concerned about what any particular person BELIEVES. You may believe that there is an old man with a white beard perched in the clouds, that the Ultimate Reality is a young blackish-blue Indian guy, that the universe is eternal, that Mother Mary was a certifiable virgin, or that gross physical matter is the foundation of existence. The ONLY thing that really matters is your meta-ethics, not your meta-physics. Do you consider any form of non-monarchical government (such as democracy or socialism) to be beneficial? Do you unnecessarily destroy the lives of poor, innocent animals and gorge on their bloody carcasses? Do you believe homosexuality and transvestism are moral? Do you consider feminist ideology to be righteous? If so, then you are objectively immoral, and your so-called "enlightened/awakened" state is immaterial, since it does not benefit society in any way.
@@TheWorldTeacher It depends on the level of social development we are talking about. For example in stage Blue in Spiral Dynamics monarchies are considered good as I understand it.
You can't be a 'multidimensional thinker' because thought itself is from a narrow and singular dimension. It effects the dimensions of feeling and action too, but this indicates not the multidimensionality of thought but of consciousness itself. Only awareness can perceive the many dimensions of consciousness, but if you have given yourself to thinking and developing and exercizing your thought, as you have, then you have traded the project of understanding the primary phenomena of your own consciousness, which is universal, for a compilation and refinement of a body of theories and memories and conclusions which have value only in social communication, not in understanding what you actually are and thereby getting beyond thought. Do you see that your primary interest has been invested in the one realm (thought) that excludes your primary interest? Because thought cannot touch the phenomena of consciousness itself. Nothing can, except perception, so why not abandon your thought traps and plunge urgently into your consciousness before you ossify and die in the prison of your own ideas.
I wonder what Wilburs thoughts might be on the falling out of fashion-in English-the word ye, with it's embedded perspective of I + we/they? The ye form has persisted in Irish for example despite the dominance of English as the lingua franca on the island and seems to offer a bridge among groups.
Most self realized teachers have an abundance of blind spots. It doesn’t take away from their direct knowing. Ken is fairly advanced in comprehending the academic paradigms but I’ve seen self realized pimps who woke up in prison because they read some spiritual books that they thought would help them develop “siddhis” to escape. 😂 Blindness is pretending you know when you don’t know. Like pretending you know Ken is blind when you don’t know because he offends some aspect of what you think you know or someone you worship and exalt.
Because RU-vid doesn’t like me conversing with other people’s comments: Most self realized teachers have an abundance of blind spots. It doesn’t take away from their direct knowing. Ken is fairly advanced in comprehending the academic paradigms but I’ve seen self realized pimps who woke up in prison because they read some spiritual books that they thought would help them develop “siddhis” to escape. 😂 Blindness is pretending you know when you don’t know. Like pretending you know Ken is blind when you don’t know because he offends some aspect of what you think you know or someone you worship and exalt.
Ken... can you propose an appropriate first person singular for the gender neutral population? 'They' is confusing. What would a 'singular neutral form' of he and she... be?
Contradictory: *impossible to be true.* Non-contradictory: *possible to be true.* ❌️Contradictory Theology (knowing good), Mathematics and Physics (functions; limit built into every operation)❌️: 1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are the exact same character (knowing good). 2. Zero is not fundamental and nonzero numbers are fundamental (Newton/Einstein calculus). 3. 0D is not locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are locally real (Newton/Einstein geometry). ⬆️ this is what we're all taught. Materialist/Empiricist version of reality.⬆️ ✅️Non-contradictory Theology (knowing good from evil), Mathematics and Physics (relations defined by constraints; limit is a separate operation)✅️: 1. The Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character are polar opposite characters (knowing good from evil). 2. Zero is fundamental and nonzero numbers are not fundamental (Leibniz calculus). 3. 0D is locally real and 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D are not locally real (Leibniz physics). ⬆️ this is what quantum physics proved a year ago. If the Bible doesn't match Calculus and Geometry then you're doing it wrong. Realist version of reality.⬆️ [🦄Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Religion]: Interpreting the Bible with the Genesis 1 character and the Genesis 2 character as the exact same character generates near 70,000 contradictions (see reason project) and requires heavy apologetics. A Bible interpretation which includes near 70,000 contradictions (impossible to be true) is what a snake-oil salesman would sell you. 🐍 [🦤Materialism/Empiricism💩 version of Science]: The standard model of physics is Einstein's 3+1 space-time, which are considered locally real, where 0 is considered not locally real...been that way since Newton for zero vs nonzero numbers. Problem is...quantum physics proved the observable universe (1D, 2D, 3D and 4D) is actually not locally real...and that was over a year ago. (Yes, Leibniz was correct after all.) 🦧 [Layman's terminology of locally real vs not locally real]: locally real = more real (Leibniz said "necessary") not locally real = less real (Leibniz said "contingent") [Closing arguments]: The Materialism/Empiricism package contains within itself all the contradictions, false dichotomies, paradoxes and literally "life's biggest questions". It's been a year why is everyone still using Logic, Calculus and Geometry that is contradictory at the most fundamental level? Legitimate question 🙋. If both Religion and Science removed their "Materialist/Empiricist-perspective shades 👓" (contradictory for a year) and put on their "Realist-perspective shades 👓" (non-contradictory for a year) they would not only cease to argue...they'd agree with each other (world first 🪙).
[Infinity and zero, theology, soul]: in·fin·i·ty MATHEMATICS a number greater than any assignable quantity or countable number (symbol ∞). (In counting numbers 0 is the subject where positive integers "1, 2, 3 and 4 etc" are the objects). What is the meaning of zero in Webster's dictionary? a. : the arithmetical symbol 0 or 0̸ denoting the absence of all magnitude or quantity. b. : additive identity. specifically : the number between the set of all negative numbers and the set of all positive numbers. Zero is the most important number in mathematics and is both a real and an imaginary number with a horizon through it. Zero-dimensional space is the greatest dimension in physics and is both a real and an imaginary dimension with an event horizon through it. Isn't⚡God⚡supposed to be outside of space (1D, 2D, 3D) and time (4D)? Well, 0D is outside of space and time: 0D (not-natural) = dimensionless and timeless 1D, 2D, 3D (natural) = spatial dimensions 4D (natural) = temporal dimension Read Leibniz's Monadology 📖 and consider that the Monad is the zero-dimensional space binding our quarks together with the strong force (it is). The other side of the Monad is Monos (Alone) and this side is Monas (Singularity) and there's an event horizon between them. So El/Elohim or Theos/Logos etc pick your language. Quarks are dimensionless (no size) and timeless (not-natural). The two main quark spin configs two-down, one-up (subatomic to neutron) and two-up, one-down (subatomic to proton) could easily be construed as the male (upward facing trinity) and female (downward facing trinity) image that Elohim made us in during Genesis 1. Quarks (no spatial extension) experience all 3 fundamental forces plus have a fractional electric charge⚡and that's why protons and neutrons (spatial extension) have electrons orbiting around them. In Geometry any new dimension has to contain within it all previous dimensions. This holds true with it being impossible for atomic protons and neutrons (spatial extension) to exist without subatomically containing within themselves quarks (no spatial extension). "Something (spatial extension) from Nothing (no spatial extension)". A) The postulated soul, 👻, has 1. no spatial extension 2. zero size 3. exact location only B) Quarks are mass with no size measured in Megaelectron Volts. Mass with no size is a unique equation in that it has no spatial extension. Conclusion: A and B are the same thing.
[Important point 👉 (dont forget)]: 0D (zero) is different from 1D-10D (nonzero) because 0D is a not-natural dimension whereas 1D-10D are natural dimensions. 0D monad (Creator event horizon) 1D, 2D, 3D are spatial (space) dimensions 1D line 2D width 3D height 4D, 5D, 6D are temporal (time) dimensions 4D length 5D breadth 6D depth 7D, 8D, 9D are spectral (energy) dimensions 7D continuous 8D emission 9D absorption 10D black hole (Destroyer event horizon) It is impossible for anything 1D-9D to approach 0D or 10D due to their event horizons. 10D contains a placeholder 0 (not locally real) for its event horizon. Only 0D is locally real on this side. The other side of the event horizon at the zero-of yourself (near horizon) is God. The other side of the event horizon of a black hole (far horizon) is not God. Anything we know about black holes (Destroyer) we know the opposite of that is true for monads (Creator), and we know some crazy sci-fi stuff about black holes. It's a mirror universe with 0D at the center. This side (Elohim; Singularity) is contingent and less real (the natural dimensions anyway) and the other side (El; Alone) is necessary and more real (pretty sure the entirety of the other side remains locally real). The zero-of ourselves (more real 👻) was made by the Holy Trinity (Deity; possessive; God's) in Genesis 1 which should not be confused with the Unholy Trinity (Deity; plural; gods) in Genesis 2-3 who messes with the 1D, 2D, 3D parts of us (less real 🤷♂️). Elohim was "syncretized" to just mean El during the Babylonian captivity. To avoid this simply use the Latin, "unsyncretized", counterpart Deity for possessive (God's) and plural (gods) context. (Septuagint and Vulgate use Post-Babylonian captivity "syncretized" meaning of Elohim so mistranslate as Theos and Deus, respectively). Gen 2-3 introduces the placeholder Elohim (not locally real) and their blind, foolish chief running amok. Plurality of bad guy that 'are' each other and 'are not' God. Nephilim are sons of the false Elohim associated with Yahweh (the BAAL, or LORD, of the gods).
[Monad in philosophy/cosmogony]: Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "singularity" in turn from μόνος monos, "alone") refers, in cosmogony, to the Supreme Being, divinity or the sum "I am" of all things. The concept was reportedly conceived by the Pythagoreans and may refer variously to a single source acting alone, or to an indivisible origin, or to both. The concept was later adopted by other philosophers, such as Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who referred to the Monad as an *elementary particle.* It had a *geometric counterpart,* which was debated and discussed contemporaneously by the same groups of people. [In this speculative scenario, let's consider Leibniz's *Monad,* from the philosophical work "The Monadology", as an abstract representation of *the zero-dimensional space that binds quarks together* using the strong nuclear force]: 1) Indivisibility and Unity: Monads, as indivisible entities, mirror the nature of quarks, which are deemed elementary and indivisible particles in our theoretical context. Just as monads possess unity and indivisibility, quarks are unified in their interactions through the strong force. 2) Interconnectedness: Leibniz's monads are interconnected, each reflecting the entire universe from its own perspective. In a parallel manner, the interconnectedness of quarks through the strong force could be metaphorically represented by the interplay of monads, forming a web that holds particles together. 3) Inherent Properties: Just as monads possess inherent perceptions and appetitions, quarks could be thought of as having intrinsic properties like color charge, reflecting the inherent qualities of monads and influencing their interactions. 4) Harmony: The concept of monads contributing to universal harmony resonates with the idea that the strong nuclear force maintains harmony within atomic nuclei by counteracting the electromagnetic repulsion between protons, allowing for the stability of matter. 5) Pre-established Harmony: Monads' pre-established harmony aligns with the idea that the strong force was pre-designed to ensure stable interactions among quarks, orchestrating their behavior in a way that parallels the harmony envisaged by Leibniz. 6) Non-Mechanical Interaction: Monads interact non-mechanically, mirroring the non-mechanical interactions of quarks through gluon exchange. This connection might be seen as a metaphorical reflection of the intricacies of quark-gluon dynamics. 7) Holism: The holistic perspective of monads could symbolize how quarks, like the monads' interconnections, contribute holistically to the structure and behavior of particles through the strong force interactions. [Monad in mathematics, science and technology]: Monad (biology), a historical term for a simple unicellular organism Monad (category theory), a construction in category theory Monad (functional programming), functional programming constructs that capture various notions of computation Monad (homological algebra), a 3-term complex Monad (nonstandard analysis), the set of points infinitesimally close to a given point
"Some first follow the true Savior but then turn away to worship a dead man." - the revelation of Peter THE WORLD RULER TRIES TO KILL ME And then a voice of the world ruler came to the angels: “I am god and there is no other god but me.” But I laughed joyfully when I examined his conceit. But he went on to say, “Who is the human?” And the entire host of his angels who had seen Adam and his dwelling were laughing at his smallness. And thus did their thought come to be removed outside the majesty of the heavens, away from the human of truth, whose name they saw, since he is in a small dwelling place. They are foolish and senseless in their empty thought, namely, their laughter, and it was contagion for them. The whole greatness of the fatherhood of the spirit was at rest in its places. And I was with him, since I have a thought of a single emanation from the eternal ones and the unknowable ones, undefiled and immeasurable. I placed the small thought in the world, having disturbed them and frightened the whole multitude of the angels and their ruler. And I was visiting them all with fire and flame because of my thought. And everything pertaining to them was brought about because of me. And there came about a disturbance and a fight around the seraphim and cherubim, since their glory will fade, and there was confusion around Adonaios on both sides and around their dwelling, up to the world ruler and the one who said, “Let us seize him.” Others again said, “The plan will certainly not materialize.” For Adonaios knows me because of hope. And I was in the mouths of lions. And as for the plan that they devised about me to release their error and their senselessness, I did not succumb to them as they had planned. And I was not afflicted at all. Those who were there punished me, yet I did not die in reality but in appearance, in order that I not be put to shame by them because these are my kinsfolk. I removed the shame from me, and I did not become fainthearted in the face of what happened to me at their hands. I was about to succumb to fear, and I suffered merely according to their sight and thought so that no word might ever be found to speak about them. For my death, which they think happened, happened to them in their error and blindness, since they nailed their man unto their death. Their thoughts did not see me, for they were deaf and blind. But in doing these things, they condemn themselves. Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. It was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the rulers and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance.
I believe because he is sick,he may have scars Or maybe he is being playful Edit: he answers it in another video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eoCB3FlAeiQ.htmlsi=-5RM0Eh3mjBzbJ1j
Ken Wilber wearing a girls wig ... is because he is stuck at level #9 = Long Dark Night of the Soul ... He has gone to many senior Buddhist etc Body state specialists... over many years... and they can't help him remove or convert his DEMS = dark energy "mismatch" stores ... so as to get a #10 pull-up... Ken Wilber needs a higher AQAL #10+ person to help him ... But Ken Wilber is down on the #8 (Integral) ... with the #9 Long Dark Night of the Soul (a notch higher) bugging him... Ancient Zimbabwe [AQAL] mapping of 2700 BCE... is one example... that shows you the treachery of #9 LDNOS ... and you can see the #10+ Elders reaching down to assist with the pull-up (out of the #9 stuckness in hell trap) ... (usually shown as zig zag zig zag lines) ... But ... Ken Wilber thinks that he is the AQAL highest person on the planet ... at #8 Integral... and WON’T allow himself to see anyone built AQAL higher than himself... And the big time Buddhists (Body state spiritualists) have failed him... they can't convert his DEMS... So, going loopy and wearing a wig etc ... is how Ken Wilber remains...
