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BEETHOVEN - SYMPHONY 3 "EROICA" (full analysis) 

Mekel Rogers
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A video walkthrough for Beethoven's Symphony 3 "Eroica". The Eroica is one of the most complex symphonies ever composed and there are many different interpretations from a variety of musicologists regarding formal analysis. I have done my best to offer as complete an analysis as possible but please be aware is it not the only interpretation.
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Performance:
Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra
Sir Charles Mackerras

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@classicalricky
@classicalricky 6 месяцев назад
This is 1 of my fave works
@jmcgraw6
@jmcgraw6 13 дней назад
Brilliant! This piece. And analysis. Thank you!
@mysticmouse7261
@mysticmouse7261 4 месяца назад
The greatest symphony ever written.
@MaikBulme2000
@MaikBulme2000 16 дней назад
very helpful. thank you!
@NN-df7hl
@NN-df7hl 5 месяцев назад
If I may detour into a few little deep dives… Hurwitz brings up Donald Tovey’s remark about “the first foreign element that Beethoven interjects, the note C-sharp in the cellos and basses (followed by a series of syncopated Gs on the violin).” This is the part Tovey tells everyone to watch out for because it has huge ramifications later. I’m assuming he’s talking about the chromatic motive starting at 00:12? Does that sound right? Then there’s the issue of the trumpets in the Coda. Again, to quote Hurwitz: “The climax of the coda consists of the main theme blasted out by the trumpets, except that the valveless, natural instruments of Beethoven’s day lacked the notes for the tune’s second phrase. Until recently, conductors corrected this automatically by having our modern trumpets play the complete tune. Leaving it out sounds just terrible” Your RU-vid selection also leaves it out, I think. The trumpets come in at 14:55 and then there’s no “second phrase”(in Coda Part 6). Is that right? I'm not a musician! Thank you for any insights! I’ve listened to this work countless times, and feel only now I’m moving into its depths. Cheers. :D
@Nyssa337
@Nyssa337 5 месяцев назад
To answer your questions, yes, the chromatic motive is the descent to the C# which gives Theme 1 a harmonic instability (implying a move to G minor that never happens). Instead, it gets pushed back up to the Eb again. This represents the "struggle" of the "hero" (i.e. Beethoven). The hemiola in phrase b provides rhythmic instability as well which has to be resolved (another struggle). The climax of the Development obliterates both harmonic and rhythmic instability. Both are resolved in the Recapitulation (notice the C# resolves correctly and the hemiola isn't in phrase b). Regarding the trumepts in the CODA, Mr. Hurwitz is correct in that conductors with modern valved instruments sometimes add in the 2nd phrase. Where I disagree with Mr. Hurwitz is his opinion on it "sounding terrible" to leave out. It wasn't written in the music in 1804, and I think its unwise to hypothesize what Beethoven WOULD have done had he had access to an instrument that hadn't even been invented yet. He didn't write the music with the intent of having trumpets play the second phrase once the valved trumpet was invented. This particular recording is the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Sir Charles Mackerras. He uses modern instruments but plays in the HIP (historically informed performance) style which in this case there are no trumpets in the second phrase. If you are interested, Mackerras' CD set (which is my personal favorite) has EXTENSIVE liner notes about his research and rationale on his musical choices. It's practically a small book. As a side note, Mr. Hurwitz worships Mackerras (as well he should). By all accounts he was an unbelievably kind man who never ever had a weak recording. He's always my go to conductor in Haydn, Mozart, or Beethoven. Hope that helps.
@NN-df7hl
@NN-df7hl 5 месяцев назад
@@Nyssa337 Is 00:11 more accurate for the start of the C-sharp? I'm not a musician :) I do agree though with Hurwitz that the "shock" of the C-sharp intrusion is overstated by Tovey. Sounds fairly subtle to modern ears and especially compared to the work's other amazing innovations. Oh, I do love those "Hemiolas," like at 2:24, those six thunderous chords! And that gargantuan dissonant Hemiolized WALL OF SOUND in the Development! 7:24 But my favorite bit of mvt I is the new theme/melody that comes in at 8:04 and again in the Coda. For me, as a listener, it seems to represent how we can discover something important even later in life, and that it can stay with us; it's never too late. :) Also, the way the triad motive shows up in the middle of that melody is emphasizing how the goodness is an outgrowth of the struggle... Mackerras is indeed great (and even without the "second phrase" trumpets)! And his Mozart is even better than his Beethoven, imho. I also heard his LvB 9th that's not part of the cycle you mentioned but had the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment and it is on another level! Do check it out if you have a chance. Cheers! :D
@PeterParker-uc9hy
@PeterParker-uc9hy Месяц назад
4:40 and 12:05
@NN-df7hl
@NN-df7hl 6 месяцев назад
Do menuets and scherzos typically have only "phrases" based on one theme? Aside from the 9th's scherzo (which is full-blown sonata-form). And I was trying to follow what they call "internal repeats," but not sure how that works. I used to think it was AABB-Trio-AB. But that's not right. Anyway, thanks for this amazing analysis! It's helpful for even a non-musician like myself. :) :)
@Nyssa337
@Nyssa337 6 месяцев назад
Sure, the very basic form of a standard minuet and trio is ABA (with A being the 1st minuet and B being the 2nd minuet also known as the trio). The second A is a repeat of the first A without internal repeats. The INTERNAL form of each minuet is USUALLY aaba'ba' which means phrase a and its repetition, phrase b, modified version of phrase a (labeled as a') then the ba' phrases are repeated giving each minuet AND each trio an internal structure of aaba'ba'. Haydn and Mozart followed these rules, Beethoven tended the bend the rules if it suited his expressive needs.
@NN-df7hl
@NN-df7hl 6 месяцев назад
@@Nyssa337 But why are they called "phrases" and not themes? I wondered what the distinction was. I know some menuets and scherzos are said to have "themes." Thank you!!! :)
@Nyssa337
@Nyssa337 6 месяцев назад
@@NN-df7hl the short answer is that a Theme is a larger unit and can have multiple phrases, so ALL of the Minuet is one Theme with three phrases: a b and a'. The Trio is another Theme with three phrases c d and c'. Haydn and Mozart minuets adhere to the rules more strictly. The Eroica is a tricky one to analyze simply because it shattered many of the established norms.
@NN-df7hl
@NN-df7hl 6 месяцев назад
@@Nyssa337 I'll think of Phrase as a sentence and a Theme as a paragraph. Cheers! :D
@Naoimh_
@Naoimh_ 5 месяцев назад
34:08
@mandarbamane4268
@mandarbamane4268 4 месяца назад
2:52 nooo why 😭
@GlaceonStudios
@GlaceonStudios 3 месяца назад
i personally feel like the whole form's a bit more balanced with the repeat, especially since the Chord Crash comes at the midpoint of the piece
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