Beginners guide to radio navigation in the MSFS Cessna 152 - flying blind in the rain, with no GPS 

Thank you!

Glad it was helpful!

You're welcome :)

Amen to that

Cheers Patrick :) We should do a group flight in pouring rain and thick cloud - with only planes that have no GPS :)

Heh - I've crashed in the sim before when the controller malfunctioned and I had no primary controls :)

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Cheers :)

I think it's more a case of trusting in your skills and the instruments in the real world.

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Glad you enjoyed it!

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Glad it was helpful!

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I wasn't exactly over the beacon. I was probably half a mile to the north of it - mostly caused by talking and not concentrating 100% on it.

Ok, Thanks Jonathan, I'm going to give the same route a try. Much appreciated.

VORs typically have a range - so just illustrating that you might find yourself within range of one (flying from it), but not in range of the next yet (flying to it).

No - they're just quiet by default - in most aircraft you can control the volumes on the audio stack and/or turn on NAV1 audio.

I'm not a real pilot :)

LittleNavMap

That's a bit odd. Try tuning in a VOR station elsewhere.

@Jonathan Beckett I'll give that a go thanks.

Indeed it does not kick in when taking off! Im also using xbox :/

It does not kick-in for me as well. I’m using Xbox too.

Weather on the day? Has the frequency changed since I recorded it maybe ?

according to my version of Little Navmap- it's, (GLJ), frequency should be 113.05 ????

There was method to the madness - I was really just showing methods - not picking an ideal route :)

This technique is also a great way of navigating between two VORs that are quite some distance apart. You might not be able to receive a signal from the second VOR until quite some time so this allows you to fly outbound from one VOR and then inbound to the second when it becomes within the range of your radio equipment.

@@theBigApe that makes alot of sense! thanks :>)

@@Pogopvp Not a problem at all. Glad it helped.

@@theBigApe Absolutely. I do exactly that in some other videos :)

Not yet. ADF is kind of obsolete. You're hard pressed to find any ADF transmitters any more.

@@jonbeckett That's a shame. It would be nice if the sim had an option to toggle all of the decommissioned NAVAIDs on and off for a more authentic experience. They expect us to fly old planes with a GPS? Kind of missing the point I think.

It's "LittleNavMap" - google it :)

@@jonbeckett thanks , really cool

The master power and avionics switches should turn the radio on.

Actually I think I figured a way to do it. After taking a bearing from another VOR that indicates my location is close to the destination airport (amazing how accurate that is), I measured the angle I need to fly in order to intersect with the ILS.

I did it! :) I couldn't see anything for most of the trip and suddenly the runway is in view and I'm perfectly lined up to land. It's hard to explain how satisfying it is lol.

Well done :)

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You're welcome :) Would love to see you over at virtualflight.online if you fancy doing some group flights - I'm sure you have some great stories :)

You can do that calculation in your head :) Seriously - that's one of the skills that real flying courses go through - time, speed, and distance calculations in your head. If you watch some of the videos by CG Aviator (which somebody reminded me about the other day), he does some military examples of "to the second" dead-reckoning.

Yep. They are decommissioning VORs all the time...

It's an old version :)

Yep - I have a whiz wheel here now - I will be recording a flight soon that shows how it works, and how you can calculate. Unfortunately the 152 in MSFS has no DME, so all you can do is either time and calculate true speed, or triangulate and work backwards from known positions.

@@jonbeckett The G1000 in the 172 tells you everything so I have been planning on doing a VFR flight while ignoring all of the GPS data and see how close I can come to the real numbers calculating it all with the old school methods. Just to see if I can still do it.

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VOR stations are being switched off slowly - it might be that the VOR I'm using isn't there any more ? Or you were just out of it's range ?

Not too sure. I’ll try again soon. I’m still learning, but find your RU-vid channel very informative. Concentrating on UK airspace at the moment. Learning in the Grob Tutor.

I guess VORs are still a fallback ?

Awesome :)

You can also use the ADF to get some NDB's to triangulate where you are - if your doing a strict "paper map" exercise.

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I just did it to show that you can. You can indeed use one VOR. If you use two, you can begin to triangulate.

Wind. The wind has a greater effect at low revs.

Thankyou :)

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LittleNavMap

Thankyou!

Glad it was helpful!

It's not that bad once you get your head around it :)

@@jonbeckett Well I have been playing around with VOR navigation over the last few days, and wow, seriously what fun. Last night i actually challenged myself to fly from Duxford EGSU to Frankfurt EDDF with no maps at all, but just some hand written notes I made from LNM of bearings and VOR frequencies. I never even had LNM running in the background and never used the VFR map during the whole flight and flew in JustFlights PA28R Arrow III with the old school navigation system with no screens, just the radios. Well after nearly 3 hrs to do the trip, I had done and managed to get from Duxford to Frankfurt blind just using VORs with no issues. Loved it, this has bought a new lease of life for me in the sim. All thanks to you 👍

@@JohanRzymski That's awesome :)

Glad you liked it!

Cheers :)

@24:42 ... for instance, this frequency input? am I correct in thinking, this could have been added previously and just kept in the "standby" side of things? ... I'm in no circumstances saying that you did it wrong, just simply confirming if I'm correct that it "could" have been added previously or even when you were still grounded but added to the standby frequency? ... think I'm finally coming to understand why there are so many frequency options or in this case, there are 4?

annnnn final question ... @23:28 ... I see on the lower gauge, the line is moving quickly to the right, but you are holding your 125 deg bearing? why is this happening? as it takes a little while before it changes to "from" ? I'm a little confused to what is happening at this point, with the needle moving away to the right ...

yeah I'm super confused @24:58 as the line on the lower gauge as not been in the center for quite some time now, so I'm unsure what you've been following? cause, were not you keeping this line in the center of the gauge? so what have you been following since it moved from the center to the far right? argggggggg ... sorry about the ultra noob questions, but I thought I was, for the better part understanding, but now I'm lost, eeeeekk

so, apart from my original question about the number of available frequencies, I got lost between @23:28 & @30:07 ... from when the vertical line on the lower gauge moved away from the center (where I thought you had to be tracking toward) to when the line moved to the center of the upper gauge, I'm confused to what you've been following in the mean time? when I thought you were having to keep the line on the bottom gauge centered? till of course you arrived to when you need to turn into the runway direction, that being when the upper gauges vertical line moved to the center ... ie: I would have started losing it when the vertical line on the lower gauge started to move to the right side @23:28 ... and would have been under the impression that I needed to turn the aircraft to the right slightly to bring the line back to center?

There is no "correct" way to utilise having the opportunity to have 4 frequencies in play. Commonly pilots will still monitor unicom while tuning other frequencies (hence having two radios).

It's called "LittleNavMap", and it's free :) Google it.

Jonathan has tutorials on it of his usual high quality ru-vid.com/group/PLNLn34Gi2eySOd-mslm_zzOS1SRe8Blsk

@@utube2473652 Thankyou :)

@@jonbeckett thanks

You're welcome :) I don't really prepare anything in advance, so what you see in my videos is "as it happened the first time - mistakes and all" :)

When I get a chance, I'll have a look.

@@jonbeckett Thank you very much. I used to hear those beacon markers from time to time. A few days ago it is just stopped. Seems like those marker beacons are removed from the game or something.

@@jonbeckett Jonathan, I figured it out. I couldn't pick up the signal because I have the Sim10 update beta installed. It removes all marker beacons from the game for some reason. I uninstalled it and now I have marker beacons back in the game.