I’m glad you’re doing 5 parts and not rushing through stuff, or cutting out important things. Your editing is amazing, and these are so darn well done!
I can't believe how much we were all hooked on Shane's shitty documentaries. This video is a great youtube history documentary, Shane was just making fancy vlogs.
I remember hearing so much about them. When I finally watched one (ironically the Beautiful World of Jeffree Star) I thought it was so badly edited - too much filler content that added nothing and too many overdramatized moments. Jen on the other hand actually delivers documentary style/journalistic content on the make-up industry. 👏🏻
This was after Jackie Aina had told Tati that Jeffree had been racist towards her too, but Tati saw those subscribers, the fame and the money and choose the white man
@rainydays9967 this is why I don't have any sympathy for Tati. She played a part in this. The only reason she said anything was because of the gummies. I don't believe for a moment, if JC had not promoted the hair bear care, blah blah blah, she wouldn't have said anything. She would have chosen no "time and place," because it doesn't directly effect her.
The ageism in the comments...Tati is 42, Jeffree is 38 and Shane is 36. So, ALL of them were old enough to behave better if you want to use age as a way of dismissing someone's behaviour. However, JS is manipulative and conniving enough to know how to press someone's buttons and push them into a direction they may otherwise have gone.
This!! Honestly I feel really sorry for Tati. Being neurodivergent and having people use my naivety and sense of justice to manipulate me and being near a lot of people that didn’t have my best interest in mind, I kinda relate to her actions. I am a full blown adult and I can clearly see why she acted that way. She didn’t navigate through the situation as best as she could, but being surrounded by rich people with mean girl mentality can distort your point of view.
@@raioqopartanah, she sold out and didn't think that these MEN would screw her over. At the end of the day, she's a woman. And we all know what Jeffrey thinks of women. So she sold out to men that could care less about her and used her for their own entertainment just to spit her out and laugh. She thought she was one of them. However, her being butthurt over the gummies was what set it off. When woman act just as vile as men, we are the only ones to get screw over. They still come out smelling like roses.
“When you’re a celebrity, you can do what you want, you can grab ‘em by the p**sy”. This definitely looks like a pattern we see with people with a lot of money/influence/power.
If I remember correctly, that phrase was taken out of context. James stated the phrase was often used as an inside joke and comment to many things. Not defending him, just remembering when everything went down. I’m open to being incorrect ❤
@@kristenastrup5629 it's not a joke if you're saying it after actually doing the bad thing, it's comedic deflection to avoid having to take accountability for your actions. Comedy has been used to justify hate speech and bullying since forever- "it's just a joke", "don't take it so seriously", "calm down, it was funny", "Oh, come on, I don't actually BELIEVE that, it's just joke!", "you just can't take a joke!". A comedic tone or snappy wordplay does not a joke make.
He never said "it doesn't matter, I'm a celebrity." He said that him and his group, including Tati, partook in the joke of calling things "famous" as a compliment. Like if a dessert was really good, they'd say "this dessert is so famous", or if one of them did something great or looked really good that day, they'd say "you're so famous." I heavily dislike James and his predatory behaviors, but he specifically said that he referred to himself as famous that day as a way of saying that he looked great and had a cute outfit on. The guy that Tati made her video about openly admitted to flirting with James on that day, slipping him his number, and constantly telling him that he's bisexual and wanting to explore with him. I completely disagree with everyone who's taking Tati's side in this situation, James was not a predator in this very specific context regardless of what he went on to do later.
I feel like the more Jeffree holds this supposed voice note, and brings it up over and over, and teases it and teases it, it just continues to victimize the person on the note. That person isn't ready or doesn't want to come out with their story, and knowing this man is spreading around that he has it and can release it, has to make that person so anxious and sick. It's so gross to me.
Yeah, it’s disgusting behaviour that shows he doesn’t care about anything other than getting something over on James (and I don’t like JC.) If he cared, he wouldn’t be teasing it and sharing the audio with anyone and everyone in private. He’s revictimising the alleged victim and going by how Jeffrey acts, I wouldn’t put it past him to have doctored it or spliced different conversations together. I don’t think that’s the case but it’s awful to casually spread it around and shows how manipulative and awful he is.
100% It's absolutely disgusting how Jeffree just keeps playing it for people. It's a nightmare for the actual victim to have to live their life questioning who all has heard the voice note and whether anyone will go public and reveal everything. They can never truly feel safe or heal because every day could be the day that the public finds out. It's such a horrible thing to have to go through, forever regretting telling Jeffree about what happened, maybe even blaming themselves for thinking they could trust him.
And I am wondering is that voice memo really such a strong evidence, or is it just something either made up (the content like i.e. the situation did not happen in reality and it could be proven), or there is really nothing so "strong" in it. Most of tthe people who have clamied to hear it either have connotation to J* or have had them during the drama (like Tati), Blair is the exception. So I wouldn't be surprised if the memo is fake and he does not want to release it, because if it goes public it would be easy to tell it is a set up.
Also, I know this is the least important thing, but ....how did JC walk around so long with his hair looking like a matador's hat and no one said anything lol
Some other commenters said he looked like a kappa or like he was a bicycle seat & now THIS? You guys have all nailed it. I hope I never get rich or powerful enough that people stop telling me when I look stupid, lmfaooooooo😂🤣
This is a good reminder that when someone “big” approaches you with an offer to help/boost/promote/collab, they’re not doing you a favour. It’s because they see your value. So make your decisions with them from a place of power not inferiority.
Jeffree Star really showed his colors here… he says “Tati ruined James Charles career” when he convinced Tati to do so with broken promises of further proof after… it’s so manipulative and diabolical. This is the first time I truly feel for Tati when she was hesitant with a relationship with Jeffree at first.
But Tati is a full blown adult. No adult person is falling for all this especially out of JS…no matter how famous he seemed in this space at the time… and she was having this beef w a 19 year old boy…. She was fully responsible for herself in all of it unfortunately
"I'm a celebrity" yeah, exactly. Attractive and charming too. If he wanted sex with any number of age-appropriate gay or bi men, it's right there at his fingertips. This is such a transparent power trip that I doubt he ever intended to make it look like anything else.
I’m usually a silent viewer but I just want to tell you how great of a job your doing with this series ❤ hope you do more of these videos in the future 😊
Independent of the topic, these are so well made I watch your James Charles videos like feature films, and I anxiously awaitbthe 'premiere'! Awesome, outstanding job, Jen, seriously. You're setting standards. ❤
IMO, I think the reason folks attacked Tati, JS, & Shane is because they didn’t actually expose him for the right reasons. It wasn’t because they wanted to “protect straight men”. Tati was butthurt that he promoted another brand besides hers. JS was jealous that a young kid was stealing his views & popularity. Shane is just nasty. I think that’s been proven by JS doing the exact same thing he accused JC of- preying on straight men & making them uncomfortable. The way he talks to men on TikTok live is disgusting & predatory. Tati confirmed she exposed him at the time because she was hurt & felt manipulated by JS & Shane. James is a predator and it was the right message, just the wrong messengers.
Who else was going to expose JC? His family? People he has personal connections to? Would you expose someone before they've exhausted all of your patience and trust? That's just not how people think and react.
@@dejuhvu1793 yeah I think they ultimately just walked things back because they unintentionally exposed their own flaws. Like the predatory behavior was more of an excuse for them and that fact was too transparent for them to die on that hill.
Exactly, otherwise she wouldn’t have “discussed it and become friends again” if it were actually about the victimisation of straight men or underage children
I guess we’ll never know for sure all that happened, but I think 2 things can be true at once. 1) Jeffree Star (and by extension Shane Dawson) sewed the seeds of the drama and fed people just enough to create the bomb, and when JS backed down they were left looking like (and possibly believing) that it had all been a lie. 2) James Charles really did all the things, and because of JS making such a mess, he essentially got away with it. Wild that these three still have platforms. Looking forward to part 5!
this is what I’ve been saying! By broadcasting unfounded claims of James Charles’ predatory behaviour-that James was able to debunk with receipts-Jeffree and Tati made it harder for his actual victims to come forward.
@@alejandramoreno6625 not Tati but James specifically. Why does someone so young have such a ridiculous following and influence when others (i.e. JS and other older, age-wise influencers) have been at it for so long/ years and their number of follows/ views can't compare against James. Tati was used against James to knock him off his throne. Machiavellian much? As for James himself, he's too much into himself that he overshares and this is a double-edged sword. Will any victims come out? They will. But years from now when he is no longer as prominent. Or when things pile up behind the scenes that James will feel as if a rug was pulled under his feet. He will not see it coming.
@@MiNa-hg7kn I think Tati was also a target - she was about to launch her own makeup brand with truly quality stuff, something Jeffree believed he was only able to do. There’s so much behind the scenes but the real reason for all of this was money…
what did it for me was shane's live reaction to tati's second video. like him scoffing at her saying she had been assaulted and almost slipping up and calling her a b*tch was when I knew it was done
Before all this happened, she had Jeffree in a video of hers. Her comment section was filled with people telling her not to trust him. She kept assuring everyone that he's changed and if only you could talk to him you'd see. They had heart to heart conversations and he's a new person. She fell for it hook line and sinker. He did it for his amusement.
@@melaniecostapereira1639 idk you can have friendly relationship with your student... no different than starting a research project at high school and taking it to university under the same advisor, teacher kinda person
Just wanted to point out that Tati says she wishes she had done some research on Shane before getting involved with him but she KNEW what Jeffree Star had said and done in the past and she still had a relationship with him.
As someone who has 2 little sisters, one 6 & one 12 yrs younger than me, some of the things he said to his little brother ON the air were the most uncomfortable to me. It’s like he loves the shock value of it all but doesn’t think about his brother’s age, the camera, the age of his fans or his brother’s comfort level in the slightest. When I was 20 but one sis was 14 the other 8 there were things I didn’t talk to them about & kept for friends my age cuz it was inappropriate!!
“Breaking My Silence?” None of these people ever shut up. My advice to up and coming beauty gurus: get acting lessons, because the people in these videos can’t even rise to Razzie-level performances, and it was painful watching so many people try to force out a tear. 😢
@@marilynmalcolm9920 Tati stopped posting videos. She posted only once in a very long while on other platforms. My friend and I were both very concerned and talked about it. "Breaking My Silence" was the first posted video, and then she again went back on hiatus.
@@MaryLuCraftsWhilst I do think Tati was driven by ego and selfish motivations at points, I think she's genuine when she's said she wants to be someone who brings good into the world. So, I suspect she's quite ashamed of some of her actions and has largely ducked out of the spotlight because of it.
One of the craziest parts of this for me is how all these people are saying they are afraid for their life bc of jeffree like what… he must be truly unstable because like what type of person is giving that impression to multiple people they know personally
@mayapapaya510 When you figure in the $$, yes, unfortunately, it is that serious. When you mess with someone's bank 🏦, there is no telling what they would do 😳
I already almost died laughing at that hair of James at 2:10. What the hell was that??? 😂😂 The backtracking Jeffree does on the Dahvie thing is ... wow ... just disgusting.
JEN, you have put so many hours of research, dedication, time, effort, and thought in this series and each and every video. Thank you for making sure this isn’t forgotten, and for discussing such a nuanced topic with grace and respect. I deeply love your content, and feel you deserve all the love and subscribers !!!
Tbh, I was never a fan, but his move to WY blew me away lol. The marketing of it vs the reality is insane! It’s very interesting to me that he hasn’t been exposed yet, but I guess you have to actually be there to really understand. Casper is nothing like what he’s portraying. I’m convinced he found out fast that he’s not “land near Jackson Hole” rich but realized that so few people are familiar with Casper that he could pull it off. Casper is like Billings, Bismarck, Rapid City…it’s a blue collar cow & oil town on an interstate route. People move there to go to vo-tech or to get a good deal on a taco John’s franchise, but not to live the gorgeous western lifestyle. It CAN be beautiful but you have to shoot it very carefully, most of the time it’s just aggressive weather on an unforgiving scrub desert. To the very few of us who’ve also been to Casper, this is like moving to Bakersfield but convincing people it’s just like Julian. It’s a minor thing from a grumpy rural west perspective, but it’s a pretty big lie from a marketing angle - I’m honestly a bit shocked he was willing to move to Casper, and if you knew the economy, you’d have a very different impression of his wealth. And the more successful you appear, the more you sell. The way he reacted when fans showed up to his ranch told me everything. People like RuPaul live in Jackson (RuPaul’s husband is a rancher & frakker, but the super rich kind, like way richer than RuPaul), security is already integrated into that area. Whereas Jeffree has regular not-crazy-rich neighbors who got extremely mad at him for drawing urban weirdos. He would have been mad at that in Jackson, but not terrified that he himself would get iced out, and I’m sure he’s still reliant on neighbors for help, even with a professional yaak ranch manager. Exotic ranching has never taken off long term, other than the native elk, venison & bison, which are very familiar to us, you never see these trends like emu meat last long. It’s a very risky investment he’s made & the cost of a ranch vs beauty brand is staggering.
Imagine all the things we don’t know about people. Sometimes, the most normal people on here are the sickest, too. We just don’t know their business yet or we never will.
Jen these videos are so good. I lived thru this time period, I've watched countless other creators videos on the topic, and yet you're putting together so many pieces I had never even thought of before. Appreciate the hard work that must have gone into this series!
I appreciate the warning about Blair White, as a trans/nonbinary person who knows how harmful she has been to the trans community. It means a lot that you shared her videos for context but that you also were very clear about not supporting her transphobic opinions and warning viewers about it. Honestly your videos are so good and I always feel safe watching them as a neurodivergent, disabled, trans, queer person 😊
I love how Rich lux was making videos this whole time speculating what happened when HE WAS THERE while Shane and Ryland and Jeffree were watching bye sister. Still can't get over that to this day.
I got secondhand embarrassment from Jeffree’s flailing when the podcasters questioned him about his Dahvie tweet that he was trying to explain away as meaning something entirely different than what it said.
I think Tati's Breaking Silence is the anomaly. At that point, she did speak to James Charles and RU-vid. They probably spun it to say that the voice note couldve been faked. JC probably did manipulate her like she feared too. Honestly, dont blame her. Between the WOACB (another youtuber) who allegedly was using bots to enflame people against Tati, the business lawsuit, separation, JStar+ ShaneD history revisited....she probably was convinced what she thought/felt/seen about JC doing inappropriate things as not real.
Does anyone else think james sometimes looks like a Japanese folklore creature, the kappa with a lily pad on its head, when his hair looks tall but flat at the same time? No, just me? 😂💜
@ZijnShayatanica 🤣🤣🤣 I always thought it looked a bit odd then while watching this video that popped into my head and it make complete sense, I'm glad I'm not the only one 🤣💜
Hi, Jen! I haven't finished watching just yet but you mentioned that the trailer for the series with Shane and Jeffree and what the series showed was pretty much as "advertised", but if I remember correctly, the trailer actually showed Shane, his fiancé, Jeffree and someone else all watching together the "Bye, Sister" video in someone's living room and then the series showed that they were in different places when the video dropped. I remember drama channels pointing this out and thinking that maybe Shane had to reshoot or change it because the trailer made it look like they knew the video was dropping, a narrative they were trying to avoid at the time but that was catching on. (Loving the series btw)
What is also telling after everything was said and done, the only one left standing next to Shane was Ryan. His crew varnished and did their own thing.
Tati’s fake performative crying throughout her videos drives me insane. I can’t believe people believe she wasn’t manipulative as hell to her audience during this time and that she was just an innocent baby who got caught up in someone else’s game.
Her crying sucks. I dont think Tati herself is manipulative but i do believe she was pressure into thinking she had to do this. Its just so shocking since its like the last thing anyone expected from her. Why did she think it was her place? Why do none of these people report this to police? How does she go from “i saw/heard him doing these nasty and questionable things” to “he deserves an apology, i was fed this info.” She either saw the behavior or not. What i NEVER understand with these people is the reason to get all up in the gossip and believe others stories. Tati was old enough to know better and stay out and she was old enough to not be involved with James in the first place. Even her being a mentor to him, its still weird AF.
i cannot wait for part 5. once thats out and i've watched im gonna rewatch the whole series back to back. 🙌🏻 its crazy how entertaining and suspensful youve managed to make this whole mess despite the fact that i was THERE when it all went down. 😂
Just want to say i appreciate how good you are at censoring words so i can listen with my toddler in the the room 😅 some people arent really careful and the words are totally audible but you're so careful and its appreciated by this mama of littles!! Love your content
The second Tati video is where she lost me. Blaming her Bye Sister video on Jeffree & Shane, but she listed things that happened right in front of her, not 2nd hand info. That was it for me. Side note-Catie Turner is SUCH a great artist.
The thing that I can't get over is here is Jeffree saying that it's not his place to out this RU-vidr who says James did terrible things to them, so he won't post receipts, but then he looks for any and every opportunity to play the clip to other RU-vidrs privately. Like first of all, how is posting it publicly not okay but actively volunteering to play it for whoever wants to hear it is fine? And secondly, it's the worst kind of information to spread because it's not actionable. No one can go to the authorities, no one can ethically expose the truth online, no one who has heard the clip has themselves been in danger of being a victim of James. So it just makes people believe James is deeply terrible AND make them feel guilty and awful that there's nothing they can do. It's spreading a victim's story around exclusively to stir the pot, no other higher purpose.
Also, to be clear, I'm not saying that this info shouldn't be shared about James or that it's unethical to say these bad things about him. I'm saying Jeffree is actually doing nothing to hold James accountable, is playing fast and loose with a victim's story, and is making himself look like he's such a good person for opposing James. His motives for sharing are all bad and he has no problem with the potential collateral damage to others, including the victim.
At the end of the day they all enabled AND continue to enable James to get away with inappropriate and sometimes criminal behavior. You can’t point the finger at JS without including Tati and Shane. Shame on all of them.
This! All of them benefited some way or another. When it's no longer cool to be associated with a hated person, all the sudden people come out of the woodworks chastising the behavior that they also indulge in.
@@KB-mu7tj Completely agree! Supposedly they all “knew” James was/is a predator yet none of them said a thing. Or they said just enough bs yet nothing definitive. They are to blame as well. It’s sickening how so many feel sorry for Tati and go after the others but she was the adult in her relationship with James. She should have known better and done better.
@@MrAnonymous2332 I always felt there was more to the story then what she said. Remember when James forced her step son to do drag and go to the mall. I always felt James was attracted to the step son. I have no prof but he was James type and I always felt Tati was upset more then those 2 story’s. Protecting her step son she kept him out told other story’s. Let’s be honest her second apology video was forced by James team.
I 100% agree! She was a pawn in a greater game to take down James under the guise of Tati, when Shane and Jeffree orchestrated it. But, let’s just remember that James did this to Tati’s husband whose involved in none of this drama
I think she knew who these people were.. She was hanging out with them doing collabs. She may have gotten thrown under the bus but she chose to be friends in the first place.
All of Shane’s old content was up by the time the scandal happened. His reputation was already very dodgy by the time Tati met him, the fact he was insanely popular drowned the critics voices, but the mini scandals where everywhere if she cared to look. Her audience warned Tati not to get involved with those awful people, in fact at the time I stopped watching her because i loathed those individuals. It’s just not true when she came out and said that Shane was a respected director, he became a RU-vid “Director” because after the scandal of “The Chair” he totally ruined his chance of a career outside of it. I do not think someone that monetises and spreads conspiracies about the Sandy Hook tragedy is the type of person i would allow to step into my house.
I thought Shane was already washed up bcz he’s a creep and was making his come back with these series. He was always gross. But you tubers were getting rich and avoiding being cancelled then same as now…. Their supports are mostly children and people under 25.
@@blammela Exactly. The docu series was already Shane’s second act. I find it amazing that people are claiming they did not know Shane or JS were awful people. The whole idea of the docu series, if exclude Bunny ( he almost ruined her career) was to give the most disgusting people a redemption arc. In fact it took Shane quite a while to distance himself and take down his old skits, i think it must have been bewildering for him that people now thought what made him famous was totally unacceptable, when at that stage everyone knew that he was operating on the less “respectable” side of RU-vid.
I knew nothing about Jeffree Star when I started buying his makeup, I just loved the palettes. Then I learned about him and depotted all the shadows so it wouldn’t have his name associated but I still couldn’t do it and threw it all away. So much money wasted 😢
I believe that there’s a special place in hell for people who strategically lie so blatantly at the expense of others wellbeing, safety, and reputation. No amount of power, status, or money gives anyone the right or to hurt others or put them in danger. Shame on you JS, JC, SD. Sorry, not sorry.
I think we’re giving Tati too much grace with this. Was she fed info, yes. But she made the decision to sit in front of that camera and discuss her own experiences with James. She backtracked after the fact when others didn’t come forward
I think it’s interesting that in this situation the men are directly or indirectly blaming Tati, the woman, for this happening. Somehow she is at fault.
@@spragona I think everyone is trying to blame each other. I really like Tati and support her.. but didn’t like how she handled this whole thing at all.
I agree. This is coming across as very pro-Tati, and sometimes I'm forgetting this about JC. I get she's still well loved right now, but by no means is she as innocent as she betrays.
@@spragona Because Tati was best friends with JC. If a known bullshitter came to you talking shit about your best friend, would you just believe them? Or maybe think they are lying or talk to your friend about it? You know what they say, with friends like that, who needs enemies.
@@annamiettinen I’m pointing out that to me it seems the biggest criticism is directed at Tati who coincidentally is the only woman in that story and gay men can be excused no matter what they do. Shane, James and JC all have done quite questionable things yet no one really criticises them as much as they criticise Tati. I also doubt Tati was best friends with JC. To me it seems she gave him the benefit of the doubt and was wrong.
If Tati had past issues with alcohol or substance abuse it could be her mind is not the same as a non abusing person. I have a family member who is an alcoholic and a substance user and their brain has been chemically changed. They are not as rational and are more emotional than before all of the addictions happened. That could be why she was easily manipulated. Just thought I would put that out there. Also loving this series. Excellent deep dive.
This is so insulting to every recovering alcoholic. Jeffree Star is a master manipulator. That's it. Stop reducing people to their past abuse. She's been sober for YEARS, and got sober in her 20s. She didn't have a decades long problem. If you've never been an alcoholic, or you're not a doctor, you have ZERO right. ZERO.
Well. I do not think so. Our brain heals in the most surprising and fast way. So I do not think Tati's brain works differently to mine (I have a few glasses of wine per month).
I feel like if someone were manipulated and gaslit enough by someone really really rich like that, and felt paranoid after waiting for the other shoe to drop, eventually one might get a wee bit crazy enough to believe someone who’s got enough money to call a hit might cash in on it Also, Jeffree is *suspicious enough as is, so even if I think he wouldn’t, I definitely can’t fault a mentally exhausted Tati for believing a reach like that. She was being exhausted from several angles, after all
THIS! I was scrolling through the comments waiting that somebody had mentioned this. "I was scared of my life, I downloaded everything to hard drive and told my lawyer"... It's a god damn internet drama, not the mafia!
@@jenluv in instances of DV/SA, the survivor does not need to press charges for police to get involved or even for an arrest to take place. however, since the voice note wasn't "scary enough for [tati] to go to the police" it likely didn't have anything outright incriminating
@jenluv Wasn't there this drama channel 'Sebastian Williams'(?) That claimed to have heard the voice note and said it was one of the Dolan Twins. I remember seeing that /hearing that, but the video got deleted. Not sure if that was a liable source drama channel though...
I’m such a Tati fan so I know I’m biased but now after the situation has cooled off and we know the timeline and back stories, I still think Tati was severely manipulated. Even in the breaking silence video. I wish she hadn’t surrounded herself with these characters but they really did a number on her. Shane, Jeffery and James are all very negligent and manipulative. They found the perfect person to toy with. Tati is very accepting and embraces others no matter what. Which can turn into being gullible. But now years later it’s wild to think about how this played out. After Shane and Jeffrey’s series I stopped watching RU-vid for awhile so I have nooooooo clue what James did and the pictures he sent. I’m on the edge of my seat. Upload it baby. Im so curious.
Jeffree Star would sell his own Mother if he meant he could get ahead. He lies, backstabs and maipulates to get what he wants and it baffles me how he got away with it for so long!
Girl, your work on this series especially is so thorough and impressive. I really hope this makes you good money because your time and energy input is so impressive! On another note, my split lips are reminding me it’s almost time for me to revisit the lip balm vids for like the 82nd year in a row 😂
First off, I just want to say how much I’ve enjoyed this series so far! Second, as I’m nearing the end of the video, and I don’t see a lot of people mentioning this, but the person I honestly feel for the most in this situation? The person who is on the voice note. Seriously. For all we know, this note for one, could somehow (but probably not) been taken out of context, but also, this is this persons story to tell.. OR NOT TELL. Which that person has that right, and I just feel for them in the sense that I can’t imagine being talked about and mentioned so much , knowing that it’s you, but also not wanting your name attached to it, for whatever reason, yet it keeps being brought up, just without the name. The distress it’s caused so many people who listened to it, the first person I feel for is said person on the recording.
I am thoroughly convinced that J* and Shane were jealous of JC and wanted to use what they "knew" about JC (with the voice note) to manipulate Tati into filming Bye Sister. Here's why; Tati had already been catching the red flags. She was seeing them with her own eyes. But after attempting to talk it out with JC and he didn't listen, by J* having her listen to the voice note, all she could think of was "let me do something before it gets really bad!" But that was what J* wanted all along. So when she posted Breaking My Silence, she'd finally had enough time to piece everything together in realizing that she HAD been manipulated, even if what she'd seen with her own eyes was true, and what Shane and J* had truth to it. I don't think that Tati's apology to JC was a sign of weakness; it's a sign of emotional intelligence, growth, and to not feel the heaviness in her own heart. She (very quickly) found out that making a video wasn't the best way to go about changing JC's behavior. Even if Shane and J* didn't talk her into making a video, they planted the seeds in the garden of drama. So her apology wasn't for the context of Bye Sister, but more about apologizing for allowing herself to be manipulated into broadcasting emotions without hard-hitting facts or receipts. I think people saying that she should have relied more on facts than emotions due to her age and shouldn't have acted out of emotion is (in my opinion) very ignorant. I think most of us have been in situations where we've had one friend say something mean about another friend behind their back, but because the friend speaking had appealed to your emotions as a means of breaking your defenses (aka being manipulated) is something that not a lot of us would be able to identify as manipulation if we hadn't been scorned by that friend before. Granted yes, these types of experiences and knowledge come with age, but someone who is 90 years old but never been scorned, would never imagine someone would do it to them in their future, nor would they know how to identify it, because it had never happened to them before. I still have a lot of respect for Tati. I never stopped watching her videos, and I SCREAMED when she returned to RU-vid. I think her career will continue to flourish. (I mean come on, people STILL talk about the Tati Beauty palette being the best palette EVER!)
I was a huge Tati fan before the whole James thing but between her blind friendship with Jeffrey and complete lack of awareness or accountability I totally lost trust in and respect for her.
I'm so glad you included the info about Shane and JS as that was such a huge part of all this drama. It's wild going through this again after living through it lol
Like I said in someone’s comment… Imagine all the terrible things we don’t know about other people. The things people do and people don’t find out about. It’s usually the most kind, normal people who are the biggest monsters.
The plural of "series" is "series". Thanks for wondering aloud; now my teacher soul gets the satisfaction of throwing a morsel of knowledge into cyberspace so anyone who wants to catch it, can.
I’m not all the way through the video yet, but one thing sticks with me. more than one person said they were scared for their life when it comes to Jeffree Star. Why? Lots of people speak up about different things and people, but not many people say they’re scared for their life, but more than one person did when it comes to Jeffree. Why? What has he said? What has he done to make that a real threat? Curious.
Wow excellent work on this again Jen. I'm blown away how well-done it is. Already can't wait for part 5. I didn't follow this when it was happening. It's fascinating. I have you to thank for now being obsessed with beauty drama. Now if I could just find the right foundation that matches my skin tone I'd be aces.
Imma just put my perspective out there James Charles is 25 this year. Tati is 42, Jeffree is 38 & Shane is 36. During the time, I never heard of Tati before James Charles. I knew of Jeffree & Shane since 2011. So, like, seeing these three 30ish year olds, knowing two of their backgrounds, hanging around someone who could barely drink & having _them_ accusing _him_ of being a monster? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Like, for real, a lot of James Charles behavior is just what happens with child stars in these industries, when they're given power & fame but dont grasp the responsibility behind it & they don't have a support system that truly cares about them. Jeffree & Shane, however, have had very long internet careers. They live for drama, they make the drama, they are the drama, so they decided to take people on a ride for the money & lulz. James & Tati were the wrong place at the wrong time, both vulnerable in their own ways. Both made Jeffree & Shane lots of clicks & cash. The biggest modern example of why background checking anyone you collab with is super important, especially if you are going to have a non-professional relationship with them afterward.
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with this but James was also making a LOT of bad choices and was treating people (especially the men he was romantically interested in) badly. But I do agree that he got dogpiled on by all these people way older than him, when they should’ve known better.
@@nova4476 it's behavior that should have been talked about when it first happened instead of enabling it for years then making a call out video, that's for sure.
Still don’t like Tati. I find her fake and acting like a victim. She was mad at James for promoting other gummy vitamins. All the other characters what you see is what you get & she still chose to hang out with them. Tati is more cunning. And this is coming from someone who has several flight attendant friends who deal with her regularly..
I really like you and the videos that you produce, however we have obvious differences of opinion. You brought Blaire White into your video and basically said that she supports "anti trans," rhetoric even though she's trans. First of all, she isn't anti trans at all, by any means. She is anti medical/surgical/chemical transition of minors which is VERY important. There are terribly detrimental life long negative effects of these parts of transition of which children should not have access to... She's also anti trans men in women's sports, anti trans men invading women's spaces like "trans" men that are most likely AGP AND still have beards, d! (€s, etc shaving in women's restrooms, going into lesbian bars, etc. So, the only "anti trans" that she supports are those that most reasonable people support. The only negative things that I can think of that you may be referring to is the fact that she reviews "woke" Tiktoks on her channel which are usually whiney, self proclaimed "victims," that aren't really victims, or "trans woman" that aren't really trans woman giving actual trans woman a bad name. Like the predators that come on Tiktok and tell CHILDREN to go to private conversations with them on Patreon away from the eyes of "parents!" THOSE are the types of people she targets... So, please provide specific information about her that you're referring to. Maybe I haven't educated myself well enough and if you know things that I'm not aware of, I'm completely open to hearing about it and changing my mindset or views on her. Anyway, hope this doesn't sound too argumentative, but I'm just trying to figure out what you meant by your comments regarding her. Thank you for the videos and I'll still watch you. We can all have different view points and still get along/have conversations ❤❤❤
Tati had receipts when she exposed James Charles behaviors which she herself discussed in Bye Sister so when she apologized, it makes her look like she lied, that she condones his behavior or a mix of both.
No she didn’t. James had receipts proving that the specific instance of predatory behaviour Tati accused him of in ‘Bye Sister’ was false. He definitely did the same thing to other young men, but because she fumbled those accusations James was cleared of all wrongdoing which allowed him to continue preying on minors.
