Derren really took these documentaries to the next level. I still remember them today, truly creative terrestrial vision. I’d love to see him make new documentaries for RU-vid
Derren concentrates more on his stage show and writing than the TV shows. He still is in partnership with Channel 4, which means we will get to see a TV version of his next new stage show and maybe an occasional special
Derren is so charming, I'm pretty sure my life-long anxieties would quickly dissipate with his warm encouragement too.. he didn't need all those props for the placebo effect.. his smile does it all lol. Ahh.
Nick going into the middle of this madness and saving his friends knocked me down and picked me up and had me laughing and crying at the same time. Thank you so much, Nick! Thank you ever so much, Derren! This was an amazing experience for me, so I don't even care that I know Nick as an actor from somewhere, and have liked his face ever since. So what the staged scene was an unbelievable as Katie's claim she doesn't even dare sing alone at home!? It's a proven fact placebo's work even if you know from the start that that is what you are taking. Interestingly, a bit later, Natalie said something like that.
I'm curious, do you think the entire programme is fake ?? As in all other episodes as well ? I agree that Nick bar scene gave alot away; then u get to think if they can fake that ; it only makes sense that everything else must be fake too
I'm convinced Derren manipulated me into crying somehow at that lad with confidence issues. It was truly overwhelming, like that girl at the end in the church.
WOW, i found myself getting really emotional throughout this. Particularly with the young man who had to deal with the confrontational actor in the street. Actually made me cry. I was so pleased for him. Bloody brilliant. Love Derrens work. Best thing I've seen in a long time. Was it Katie? The singer, absolutely phenomenal.
how this video only 800 likes, love derren as not only his skills amazing hut u can see he genuinely cares about nice, kind, gentle people, he is clearly a good fella, obviously is B.S. but he so good caring for ppl.who been bullied etc as i think he haf same crap at schools anyway , he is just a good guy i think
I wish i could meet you Darren so u can help me with my chronic pain, smoking and weight. 🙏 if you ever want a participant from Australia i am here . Bless you
In a way you just did... Apply what he has taught you in this video. Really believe that you can do it, and you can. Thats the whole premise of his video.
Felt bad for Natalie in the Faith episode... Letting her come out in front of the audience ·before· she'd even been told that he'd elicited that experience in her? You could tell she had experienced something that was genuinely meaningful and amazing for her and it was ridiculous for them to believe that wrapping that up by letting her know-in front of an audience-that it was just something he psychologically elicited from her-oh, BUT "the emotions were real" 🙄-would be sufficient. Derren is almost always very ethically and morally minded. He brings things to the edge, but typically knows where that edge IS and, importantly, how to wrap a situation up so that there's nothing actually taken away from the person and no real embarrassment. So, a rare miss (but also a lot at stake...). Hope she's doing well.
I think in a way that was kind of the point. She needed that final experience to be powerfully sobering enough to prevent her for forming a miss guided religious belief.
I completely disagree. In my opinion, the de-briefing was extremely important. I'm myself an atheist who has (unfortunately, I must say) made rather powerful, religious experiences. In my case, the experiences were elicited by an anti-depressant which I have been taking for a long time. Especially during the first 2-3 years of taking it, I experienced a ton of crazy hallucinations, both visual and auditory. Nowadays, I know this is a side-effect of the drug but my psychiatrist forgot to inform me about it when he wrote the prescription. I had never experienced any hallucinations before this in my life and so the experience was stunning but at times also very scary. One time I had a similar experience as the one Natalie had in the church. I was lying in my bed, looking up at the ceiling, when suddenly the ceiling parted and a really bright, warm light shone down on me. I heard a voice repeatedly call my name and I felt a sensation of being pulled upwards. In the moment, it felt great but then the ceiling closed up again and I felt as though I had been shut out. After this experience, I was really confused and I began to think about all the big, philosophical questions. I'm a lifelong atheist but suddenly, I was not so sure anymore. But if the Christian God is actually real, this means all the other things in the Bible are real, too. So, Hell is also a real place. The more I thought about this, the more scared I became. I would still call myself an atheist but due to the experiences I've had, I'm not so sure anymore what I should think about the afterlife. Even though I now know they were drug-induced hallucinations, I've developed a crippling fear of going to Hell after my death. To me, this is proof of how toxic religious belief can be. I wish I hadn't had my experiences and I'm glad Derren put Natalie's experience in a rational context for her so she doesn't end up suffering from it.
Faith episode: Good use of ethics Derren, it is refreshing to see how someone can be as masterful with showmanship as they are with the elements of psychological and physiological harm i.e., interesting use of leaving a lasting, positive, impression in your debrief.
As a pharmacist, I discourage Drs from relying on the placebo effect to treat clinical issues, such as depression-induced insomnia (using mildly sedating antihistamines). The effect is unreliable, has inconsistent results and causes mistrust. Lack of effective treatment can be crippling. E.g lack of sleep can cause extreme risk taking, suicide attempts or hallucinations. Far more damaging than a week of Zopiclone or Temazepam. Is there ever a time a placebo is the most appropriate option over a clinically viable drug? I strongly think not!
I think they cherry pick a certain type of people to go on these programs. Just as some people are easily hypnotised, I’d love someone to try and hypnotise me as I’m sure they’d struggle.
Can you shut up with your stupidity? Most of the medicines are placebo and stupid. I know Darren techniques and he's doing them very effective and very well, but ofc this are experiments to see if it works.
Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god(s). All it takes to be an atheist is to not be convinced that there is a god. That's all. Atheism doesn't exclude other unjustified beliefs.
Did you just say science doesn’t indicate design? You didn’t take biochemistry in guessing. I had never seen so many of my fellow students discussing how the process had to be created bc it’s obviously a copy machine
I love how in the past 20 or 30 years that archeologist and scientists have been finding things on earth that was in the Bible. I love how they proved that things in the Bible are real and I love how all the non believers are proven wrong every day. I love how they get proven facts about shown to them and then the arguments they had are shit down. I love how you and all the other non believers think of new shit to say thinking your going to out smart someone who is smarter than you are. They’ve found Noah’s arc. The Euphrates river is dried up. The tallest towers in the world has fail down. They’ve found a lot of stuff that’s in the Bible and proven it’s real.
@robertreed8931 no doubt there's some true stories in the bible but that doesn't make God real bro yezz think the world is like 6000 year's old dinosaurs are a test or some shit coz they weren't mentioned in the bible...are dinosaurs a test from god or is It some band of anti religious people planted fake bones n shit? That's a real question btw I need someone to answer lol
I'm not able to believe in the supernatural like gods, angels, magic and demons. But I don't have a problem with believers in the supernatural either. None is better or worse than the other.
I knew from the very first minute of the video that none of it was real. It's simply not your thing Derren and so I didn't believe for a minute the drug existed because: Derren Brown. But it was fascinating to watch the changes in these people and how dramatic the placebo effect can be.
I know, I am so used to Derren, that I am always sceptical of what he says. In his stage show, for example when he was doing the Find My Other Show game, I was the one who paid no attention to what he said, and I got the box with his shoe in it right every time. I am so used to his techniques now.
Placebos actually increases some people improvement because of their belief. A placebo group is always implemented in double blind studies of the testing of new medications. If someone’s belief in a higher power is the only thing to get them to overcomes a drug or alcohol addiction then why try to take that from someone. There a reason it is implemented as part of a 12 step recovery program. Real or not the upside of religious beliefs is that it adds meaning and gives comfort to individuals.
Her experience was real, that was the hole point. Religious experience is real, attributing them to the supernatural is where the error comes in. Does this demonstrate that god is not real? No it does not, it does demonstrate that god is unnecessary for religious experiences. Napoleon Bonaparte and the French physicist Pierre-Simon Laplace are talking about solar system, when Napoleon asked about the role of God in his mathematical model of the universe, Laplace replies that he has no need for that hypothesis.
I think Derren is great but I wonder did any of this four think to themselves "well, this is Derren Brown, is this Romyudin really a drug and not just a placebo".
Yeah, i think that one when i bit extreme, If there's 2 huge drunk guys smashing bottle on each other. Its perfectly reasonable to be afraid and want to get as far from them as you can.
Just saying, jumping in the middle of a fight when someone is holding a broken beer bottle isn't the smartest thing to do, perhaps Derren shouldn't have given him that placebo, running away at a time like that is actually the thing you SHOULD do.
The second part of this film was very interesting. I am not a Christian and I don't believe in God. I'm not sure what I believe in, if anything. I'm not sure I'm an athiest either. I do believe in the possibility of a soul leaving a body when it dies and existing outside the body. Part of that is based in science, strangely. Scientists are questioning what exactly is the "mind" (which is basically a person's personality when we think about it) and where does it exist? Does it only exist inside the brain, or does it exist externally to the brain? Given the brain is a bunch of electric impulses, and as electricity in general isn't always confined to being "inside" things perhaps that applies to the mind as well. Perhaps it exists hovering outside the brain somewhere. This is an idea that scientists have brought forward. If that is true, then maybe it's possible that when the brain dies, that "mind" can become a separate entity and continue existence somehow. Where does it get the electric impulses to carry on is the big question of course. However, assuming that somehow it does, this is perhaps what we refer to as the soul. If that is true then, that opens the possibility to personalities being able to survive death and ergo, maybe some people have developed an ability to interact with those personalities. Perhaps in that case, the idea of mediums "speaking to the dead" isn't such a crazy idea after all? Perhaps there are individuals whose brainwaves can actually pick up on these external personalites and communicate with them. There have been scientific experiments on people who claim to be mediums and it's been found that their brain waves are different to other people's. The same apparently is seen in that of people who claim to be spiritual healers.
"I hope to prove that even atheists have a hard wired capacity to believe." (1:11:22). This was such an interesting thing for Derren to say, especially considering he is himself an atheist. It suggests that there is a 'hard wired' component to the belief in a divine connection to something greater than being Human; that life has a meaning and is purposeful. I wonder when/where/how and by what means, this 'hard wire' was installed into the human psyche; even those atheist psyche's. Is it perhaps hard wired into our DNA? which fundamentally would suggest a Creation Template. Who or what would design such a template? I wonder if Derren actually realised what he stated, and if there is a recognition that even within himself, there is a 'hard wired ... IDEA' regarding this most profound question; the question of the meaning of life. We can do it ... without 'religious belief,' but it means leaving 'religion' behind and not falling into the opposite swing of the pendulum ... atheism; that there is nothing more to life than the 'idea' of there being nothing more to life; and so it is. He's right that 'ideas are contagious', but a hard wire ... tha's not just an idea; it's a hard wire. Edit: Some further thoughts on Natalie's experience. It seems to me that the 'psychological techniques' used by Derren, as much as they may have proved the power of suggestion (a very real thing), it may also be as likely that without even 'Derren' himself realising what he was doing, the techniques he used simply 'unlocked' the barrier of conditioning, existing at an unconscious level within Natalie. Conditioning from early formative years, reinforced through education and professional affiliation. Perhaps also, the 'power of suggestion' of her own father, reinforced through education or professional theoretical research regarding 'stem cells,' (a collective agreement to think in a certain way, in order to belong within the chosen group identity; an agreed a belief that there is no God), and it's as likely that Derren's use of the techniques simply reconnected her to the 'hard wires' in her own template (or DNA). Perhaps there are other perspectives and ways to perceive what happened for Natalie and why, that allows us to go beyond the glass ceiling effect, of the power of suggestion alone. Despite the identification with atheism, Natalie was 'open' to having an experience of something outside of her known world. Her life brought her to the experience of meeting Derren and his show; that something extraordinary may happen in her life. I'm just supposing this is so, from what Natalie said in their early conversation in the church setting, and of course, this made the work easy. Ultimately it was a therapeutic intervention and who's to say not a design written in to the life template, of Natalie.
It is scary how Katie was hypnotized on the street, transported on a wheelchair, put on makeup, dressed, and programmed to sing. Do you realize how easy people could be abducted and exploited in the hands of an evil person or organization?
The "Intervention" doesn't seem to prove anything. She's got every reason to believe Derren would do stuff that's totally his SOP. So when she notices random events that seem like useful lessons, she's gonna assume that, who wouldn't? It's when Derren Brown HASN'T contacted you but you suspect his intervention, that you have a problem. As far as gods go, Derren Brown has been documented to exist. When the gods all get their own deals with Channel 4, maybe it'll be a good example of something.
I think that honestly the skinny guy with social anxiety running away from a fight is the correct response? I mean...what is he going to be able to do to defend himself, or others being realistic... Sometimes escape and calling for help is the best and smartest option.
Surely these people go in knowing this is DERREN BROWN and what he does, so they would notice when he starts tapping on the table etc. ps. Jesus Christ is Lord
You are not there at the time. People still have trust in Derren, that he tells them he is doing something for a TV show, and with the production crew around, they have a sense of relaxation and feel secure.
Nick has "crippling anxiety" and yet volunteered to do a TV show and even frequents his 'local'? I don't leave my house on my own ever and the reason I don't call my anxiety "crippling" is because I can go outside if my wife's with me.
Happens on mass levels all the time. Those who aren't "agreeable" are then called "conspiracy theorists" because they see beyond the manipulation. Truly scary thing is how many people see something like this and afterwards are still blind to the deception.
Yes. Placebo only works if you don't know how it works. However, that only works for what is in this video. If you trust me too much, and I gave you a red pill that says this removes your fear of spider, and you believed me, that red pill will work as long as I don't tell you that it's a placebo. So, even if you know the process, if it's a different pill/medicine and you don't know that it's a placebo, it would still work.
You are viewing it from the comfort of your home, in the safety of your perspective. You weren't there when it happened on location. That is the point. This was not for you. It was for the individual in question who needed help with his anxiety.
Far too elaborate and costly set up for only a few people to convince. How long ago was this video produced? Where is Darren now, I used to enjoy his shows. I hope he is well and look forward to his return today May 4th. 2023.
Pretty amazing he put sugar inside the capsule that any of the participants could have just literally opened and checked at any time and figured out it was a lie.
Plot twist: Everything that happened in this video is acting. There was no Romyudin, no people with fears, everything was a facade and the real placebo is that you're going to believe that this was real because you never knew they were all just actors acting that they are normal people. But remember, it's just a theory. A Placebo Theory.
Derren concentrates more on his stage show and writing than the TV shows. He still is in partnership with Channel 4, which means we will get to see a TV version of his next new stage show and maybe an occasional special
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A lot of this is misdirection but in a more complex larger scale. Reminds me of the Great Heist episode or the one where they would "steal" an art in a museum.
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First episode inspirational. Second one diappointing as now question believe in supernatural. Also, that death is not the end, though do not believe in a patriarchal God. We are energy as well as matter & have the concept of a soul. Is there anything science & psychology cannot explain? A mystery. I hope so. Eckhart Tolle claims this is consciousness, that we are insperable from this vast universe & spaciousness, but ego gets in the way, so we have lost touch with a deeper inner sacred dimension Evil is therefore committed on the name of religion. He does not use the term God. I wonder what Derren's response would be to such current philosophy ? Derren espouses stoicism. Is this not just another form of suggestion & belief to live by to give meaning and make sense of what is often a chaotic, cruel & crazy world. I am amazed that humans with such incredible intelligence never learn from history so still we go on killing each other and harming this precious planet & animals we share it with. No wonder some people need to believe in something greater & beyond.
I am he that prepared light, and formed darkness; who make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord God, that does all these things. God is the architect behind E V E R Y T H I N G but his followers claim ignorance whenever bad things happen. Something good happens? God did it. Something bad happens? Oh, gee whizz, that must be an unexplainable mystery. You believe that god is good and makes good things happen, is behind everything that exists, but somehow he just can't figure out how evil and suffering came about, because apparently it wasn't he who was behind that. It just sort of happened on its own, except that can't be, so you just dismiss it and ignore it and make apologies on God's behalf. He wants us all to find him and worship him, but he makes sure to remain unseen and unheard, but don't you worry, because he inspired some guys in the Middle East to write down a complete mess of a book that is so full of contradictions and errors that from it there sprung thousands of religions that claim to understand the bible and its messages, but all of them need your money to function. What a load of absolute nonsense!! It makes me so furious to see grown ass people believe in a god, but none of them have any clue as to who or what this god is or does BECAUSE HE IS COMPLETELY INCONSISTENT in what he preaches! "Murder is wrong (except for when I command it)" "Slavery is fine as long as you don't kill them when you beat them. You may r@pe your slaves so that you will get slave children who are your property. Don't enslave your own people, but everyone else is fair game." "Make sure to murder your enemies, but keep the women as sex-slaves." "You are all sinners because I was stupid enough to place the forbidden thing IN PLAIN SIGHT along with a talking snake that lures people into doing the thing I adviced against, and even though I designed everything I am not to blame for it not working properly. That is YOUR fault and your children's fault and your grandchildren and you grand-grandchildren and so on because... well because I say so, and therefore I shall r@pe a woman and impregnate her and then I will have you murder my son so that I can forgive you for the original sin that I was the cause of.. because REASONS!" HOW can you believe in this inconsistent psychotic maniac just because "it is written"?
With Derry’s ‘belief’ experiments I believe he has personal bias that excludes him from a true investigation. I am no religious fanatic, but I do understand the understanding of “internal divinity” that separates man from beast. You can turn to the animal or the spiritual and yet I challenge every atheist I have even encountered a single challenge….to sell me their soul. And yet not a single one over twenty years has actually agreed to go along with the ceremony. I get insults and accusations despite it being a simple ceremony that they profit from with a single silver coin. My understanding, in many ways like Derren’s, is that there is still some innate fear of commuting one’s eternal soul to a paper contract and that is even despite the offer for them to buy back their contract at any future point. Well Derren - you clever man - I offer the same challenge. Sell me your eternal soul, take the hand made silver coin and prove me a fool for whether I believe or not I surely am. And yes I will get bravado and anger I. The responses, but after twenty years I doubt I will find someone actually brave (or dumb) enough to go through with it.
Sure thing, buddy, sure thing! Let's say you're telling the truth, that no one has dared to participate in your ceremony. What does that prove? That souls exist? No, it doesn't! And even if it did, it would still not prove that any gods exist, let alone your specific god. I want to invite you and anyone else to enter my basement alone and let me do an experiment on you to prove that aliens exist. If no one participates, that must mean that aliens exist. See how stupid that sounds? Oh, and I will pay you in seven stones of silver, a crown for you and me.
@Hermaeusmora5042Me, too. It's all nonsense, all of it. God, mediums, mind readers, etc. I really can't believe in this day and age, people are *still* falling for all this stuff.
Wait... Derren...You made a HUGE mistake. In the beginning of the second episode, you stated, "You're largely an audience of un-belivers and skeptics. And the fact that so few of these people offered to perform the rite, shows we have a hard-wired tendency to believe." That's QUITE a claim to make on this group of people, when you didn't ask ANY of them WHY they didn't offer to perform the rite. Maybe they are uncomfortable in front of crowds. Maybe they didn't want their loved ones in the audience to see them stab a photo of them. Maybe it's because (like me), the idea of stabbing a photo of a loved one makes me think of violence against said loved one, and that's an unpleasant thought. But instead of actually investigating the answer, Derren straw-manned over 200 people in that audience, and claimed that they all just have a pre-disposition to belief. Screw that, and screw you Derren for your dishonesty.
I hope you understand, that you eliciting religiouse believes in Natalie proves that one person can manipulate another, and nothing else. You are talanted, so you've managed to complete in just 15 minutes what a regular con-man would struggle to accomplish in months. There was something I don't want to say "evil" , but definetly wrong about what you have done.
Very interesting experiment regarding the religious experience, however, if you truly understand who God really is, you learn that God isn't about "religion" at all, which is simply the act of doing the same thing over and over "religiously". God is about a relationship with the Creator; its a "knowing" beyond what man can suggest or generate. My relationship with my Heavenly Father was not given to me by man and cannot be manipulated or removed by man.
Which god are you talking about? How did you come in contact with this god and what does the relationship between you accomplish that can't be accomplished otherwise?
This. From an online blog. “Derren asks… “Can our experience of religion be explained by psychology alone?" And he expects the answer yes. Well of course the answer is yes, Derren! Of course "our experience of religion" can be explained by psychology! Even psychology alone. My experience of falling in love with my wife could be explained in entirely psychological terms. I'm sure there'd be insights - certain needs from my childhood met in 'some sort of spouse figure', yes, yes. All useful, all true. And, I suppose, such psychology might - at another level of explanation - be put down to biology, and biology reduced to chemistry and chemistry explained by physics... or something. I'd be genuinely interested in all such analyses. But... the further we "progress" into those materialistic explanations, the less satisfying they are as an account of what is, irreducibly, a personal experience. And, crucially.... the claim that, because there might be a perfectly satisfying psychological explanation, ** my wife doesn't exist** needs unmasking as the rank idiocy that it is.”
