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Belt tensioning for belt drive blowers 

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A description and testing of belt tensioning for HCAC blowers.
This video is part of the heating and cooling series of training videos made to accompany my websites: www.graycoolingman.com and www.grayfurnaceman.com to pass on what I have learned in many years of service and repair. If you have suggestions or comments they are welcome.
If you are a homeowner looking to repair your own appliance, understand that the voltages can be lethal, the fuels are highly flammable and high pressures are used. Know your limits.

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@huhwhat9003
@huhwhat9003 10 месяцев назад
I have an old Lennox furnace that none of the HVAC companies will touch . But they won't tell you that over the phone. They'll come out and give you a sales pitch for a new furnace and then charge you $130 for the privilege. Since the old guy that used to service my furnace passed away I'm the tech for simple maintenance. Luckily Mr Johnson always showed me exactly what he was doing. Anyway in getting old Bessie ready for the season I noticed the belt seemed loose. I ordered a new one on Amazon and came to youtube to find out how to adjust the tension. Thanks for saving my bearings. If I had figured out how to adjust the tension I would've adjusted it to one inch deflection and boom. Thanks again.
@cylentsmoker
@cylentsmoker Месяц назад
Awesome man.
@laszlovass7326
@laszlovass7326 7 лет назад
Thank you for all your videos. I really enjoy that your focus is always troubleshooting, finding the cause or possible causes, and giving physical examples and explanation. Much appreciated. Please keep it going as many of us enjoy solving mechanical problems daily!
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 7 лет назад
More coming. GFM
@BrentPeluso
@BrentPeluso 8 лет назад
The guys made fun of me for signing up for a Belt Seminar (Browning) but wow probably one of the best seminars I have been to. The energy the building owner will save by having a proper calibrated belt tension by using a belt tension-er is amazing. We do not have special calibrated fingers.....
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 8 лет назад
+Brent Peluso There certainly is more to belt tensioning and pulley settings than meets the eye. Especially when dealing with commercial units. Thanks for the thoughts. GFM
@henryleon6384
@henryleon6384 3 года назад
I like the way he explains , he is very knowledgeable , and I would like to ad something and I hope you don’t mind, this is what I do. The amount of deflection you should get is approximately 1/16 to 1/8” per foot. If the belt is set too tight, the bearing or mount may fail,if the belt is too loose, it may cause the belt to overheating and crack
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 3 года назад
Are you working with A belts or 4L belts? GFM
@chiwoody48
@chiwoody48 7 лет назад
It makes sense, Yes. I always thought that the belts needed to be tight. I know better now. Thanks for the useful video.
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 7 лет назад
Welcome GFM
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 11 лет назад
I would agree on tension if you are talking about fractional hp blowers. A and B belts are normally tightened with the usual 1" depression or with a tensioner. Bearing overheat from what I have seen is unusual if the bearing is not worn out. Especially if the bearing is the ball type. Thanks for the thoughts. GFM
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 11 лет назад
Yes, that's the jam nut used to keep it tight. It is not actually changing the adjustment of the belt although it could be if it was left loose. The pulleys are aligned correctly as far as can be. Note the rubber mounts limit the amount of tension that can be pulled without misalignment. Also the bearings wont take much load. This is not to say a blower over 1hp should done this way. This only for smaller fractionals. Thanks for the close look. GFM
@carrjar
@carrjar 10 лет назад
The furnace in our apartment has a belt drive blower. The previous tenant neglected to change the filter, so the blower is very dirty. I cleaned what I could, but there is still a loud squeal at startup and then it sounds like a dryer full of clothes while running. I can get use to the sound of it running, but the startup is enough to bring you out of your bed at 2:00 am in the morning. I've got a video of it in my library. Thanks for any input!
@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-
@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi- 3 года назад
Oh no! The nut is backing out! What a tense video!
@geojor
@geojor 10 лет назад
valuable point you make about the belt tension, thank you...
@raymondjoseph7177
@raymondjoseph7177 8 лет назад
Just want to say thanks. furnace went out this weekend. Paid $400 emergency service. guy hooked up a light switch and put on a new belt. Must not have known what he was doing as the switch was way out of code 1/4 of the box was missing and the 1/2 hp Westinghouse motor failed later that day. Tech never back came out. Wouldn't have matter anyway as I'm sure he did not have that motor and if he did, he would have charged me an arm and leg for it. I checked the tension and it was very tight. Pulled the motor and the bearings are bad. I ordered a new motor $99 bucks, cause I dont want to keep on messing with something when my family needs heat now. But thanks for the video, at least I know how the tension should be.
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 8 лет назад
+Raymond Joseph Its good to have heat. GFM
@LL-dh7vp
@LL-dh7vp 8 лет назад
Yea I wouldn't go by this video that shits to loose belt slips when it's loose like that...it doesn't need to be very tight but that was flopping while running
@Bluecollarworkingman
@Bluecollarworkingman 6 лет назад
Good demonstration video. I have a belt tension tool somewhere. I need to dig out and start using it.
@robertfleming2614
@robertfleming2614 11 лет назад
i have had to go behind several people and release tension,a lot of people thinks they have to be really tight,i tryed explaining this to a new tech 1 day and of course he did not listen,had to go back a few weeks later and replace bushing and rubber mounts,i had a better,firmer talk when i got back to shop,he had no choice but to let it sink in that day i was pretty hot,he did 2 that day and he repaired the 2nd,just out of hvac school he knew it all but had a lot of callbacks,
@kvanly
@kvanly 10 лет назад
Very good tips on adjusting belt. Thank you
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 11 лет назад
The belt manufacturers say they will operate normally with proper tension on startup. However, I dont see any problem with your method. Thanks for the comment. GFM
@acumenway
@acumenway 5 лет назад
Performing a static pressure test unloaded will most times give you a non static difference. Place a load on the blower from coil resistance and a heat exchanger and the same test would have show the belt will slip under load conditions. So a properly tensioned belt is critically important.
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 5 лет назад
You have some problems understanding air volume and static pressure. The open blower shown is under far more load than if I had connected it to a duct system with resistance to flow. I understand that that does not seem right, more resistance, higher load. Not right with the squirrel cage blower. An increase in resistance simply reduces the volume of flow. Less air is moved, so less power is used. GFM
@acumenway
@acumenway 5 лет назад
grayfurnaceman only on the blower the motor pulley will slip due to its set hp/rpm,, thus a too tight belt will overheat a motor and ruin bearings. Loose belt with a blower under load will cause motor pulley slip.
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 5 лет назад
You still don't understand. The load is higher than a system with ductwork, yet the the static stays the same, so no slip. GFM
@acumenway
@acumenway 5 лет назад
grayfurnaceman no you don’t understand that the load on the blower cage under load will effect how both the blower “driven” pulley and then motor “driver” pulley react. Your example that there is no difference loose or taught is flawed. A driven pulley will slip with a higher potential load and especially with varying load changes(filters and coils). It’s simply can be demonstrated using a blower door on and off removal with a loose belt.
@slawekdrabik1655
@slawekdrabik1655 3 года назад
Great info. other videos don't say about those details.
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 11 лет назад
That one is hard to get through, especially to someone who has done automotive. Even the 4Lbelts are not suitable to be that tight. Great comment from someone that knows! GFM
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 5 лет назад
I agree with you. I made that mistake when I changed the belt on my furnace bower years ago. I tightened the belt close to as tight as I would an automotive belt, and I ended up destroying the bearings in the blower assembly. Oh well, live and learn.
@Kimbeattie
@Kimbeattie 4 года назад
Thank you from Canada great video
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 4 года назад
Welcome GFM
@Kimbeattie
@Kimbeattie 3 года назад
Thank you for the video a lot of good information.
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 11 лет назад
Once the set screw is loosened, it should come off with some light tapping on the pulley. If not, a 3 jaw puller can be used. I will be doing a vid on this soon. GFM
@smokimon
@smokimon 11 лет назад
I was suspecting that. Thank you for the response.
@pathallquist3156
@pathallquist3156 4 года назад
I was realllllly was looking for HOW TO TIGHTEN THE BELT.
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 4 года назад
Try this one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5yC1DUAB7MQ.html
@More350Power
@More350Power 11 лет назад
I have noticed that when I place a new belt on obviously, they are a lot stiffer than the old belt that comes off..... I usually give it just enogh tension to stop slipping on start up, let it run a bit and re-check and or re-tension if necessary.... I have seen over tight belts make those small motors run HOT before.....
@farrewelll
@farrewelll 5 лет назад
Thank you for sharing this video I just wondering what size belt that was it's almost identical to the setup I have at my house and thank you for letting us know that not to over tighten it also can you let us know how to oil the parts or what should be done thank you
@stevecrawford3551
@stevecrawford3551 Год назад
Thanks for sharing. 😀
@davidthomas9612
@davidthomas9612 11 лет назад
RPM's are RPM's, overtight will affect the bearings both driving and driven. If a motor runs hot it's the bearings heating the shaft then radiating through out, secondary is the motor fighting its own bearings to turn. Correct belt tension? as loose as you can without belt slip or tossing the belt.
@emronglass
@emronglass 7 лет назад
How easy should it be turning?
@emronglass
@emronglass 7 лет назад
How easy should fan and motor be turning on there own with no belt on at all?
@ronnetteharvey2002
@ronnetteharvey2002 Год назад
I realize that motor isn't what I'm used to but is it supposed to be that loose?
@WhiteWakedNProud
@WhiteWakedNProud Месяц назад
What do u think about adjust belt tension to spec in the install manual, for example 100 lbs for a new belt 80 for a worn in belt. Do u thinks that's to tight
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman Месяц назад
If you are tensioning an A or B belt in a commercial application, yes. If tensioning 4L belts in a domestic application, that is far too tight. GFM
@patriciaray6158
@patriciaray6158 7 лет назад
He doesn't Show Us HOW to Tighten the Darn Belt!!
@chrisjacobs7434
@chrisjacobs7434 6 лет назад
use the bolts on the side of the motor that are NOT holding the motor onto the bracket. might seem silly design, but that how all belt driven furnace blowers are done.
@barefootbob1269
@barefootbob1269 6 лет назад
Chris is incorrect.On the back side of the motor is a rubber foot that rests on the blower housing.That foot is on a threaded bolt which is how belt tension is adjusted, FYI it is a bit of a bitch to get at. The bolts that Chris refered to are the pivot bolts for the motor bracket and should not be used to try to tighten the belt.Patricia good video grayfurnaceman has on how to adjust furnace fan belt you will see the foot I referred to
@Mixwell1983
@Mixwell1983 4 года назад
I installed a new motor for a whole house fan 1/3hp and the belt went on fairly easily. Anyhow the motor runs 10 seconds and kicks off, do you think the belt maybe too tight? I didnt adjust anything from previous motor but this motor physically larger and has no capacitor. Trying to figure out why it shuts off after only 10 seconds of running.. It is a brand new Dayton 6k778 belt drive motor.. Tomorrow I am going to check the tension on it, I wouldnt think thermal protection would kick in literally 10 seconds in.. Anything you can chime in on would be appreciated.
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 4 года назад
First, the belt should be quite loose. You should be able to press the belt at least 2 inches with your finger. The lack of a capacitor indicates the new motor is a lower starting torque one. GFM
@xwolfey2926
@xwolfey2926 3 года назад
I have this style of blower that has a belt and 2 pulleys, it randomly squeals, I replaced the motor and belt and it squeals/hums, through vents, do pulleys need to be lubricated?? Or should I try taking out blower and giving it a good cleaning
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 3 года назад
You probably have a worn out driver pulley. Try this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LwmMpySV5fs.html GFM
@geojor
@geojor 9 лет назад
thanks for sharing...
@shellfreebird6120
@shellfreebird6120 7 лет назад
hey how are ya?? I am getting a seizing noise coming from my belt drivin blower motor area but can't see anything not turning ~ any advice? blower cage bearings replaced as well as the furnace motor brand new~ 2002-2003 that's only 14/15 years... help!!!! it's pretty damn cold today in Calgary Canada
@RetroKadez
@RetroKadez 4 года назад
Can I convert to the new style blower motors that have various speeds ? My belt driven one doesn't cool the house because it hardly pushes any air out
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 4 года назад
First, I would want to determine if there is restriction in the ductwork system. Dirty blower wheel, plugged A/C coil, collapsed ductwork. As for the blower itself, the only way I know of is to find a blower from a scrapped air handler and adapt it to your installation. GFM
@emronglass
@emronglass 7 лет назад
I think my dad has been using WD40 on the motor and fan axels/bearings . 😱 Is this really bad? Don't we need grease/oil ? The belt doesn't seem to be too tight although I tried to put it on a tight as possible after our neighbors welded one of the 3 brackets that broke on the fan. This summer the motor is getting wicked hot and causing the thermal protection trip to stop inside blower while outside unit still kicking for nothing. It doesn't seem to spin all that freely ATM but it definitely turns
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 7 лет назад
WD 40 is too light an oil for blower bearings. Use an oil made for fan bearings or non detergent 20 or 30 SAE. The belt should not be tight. It is not an automobile belt. Your bearings may be worn thru. GFM
@ahmedalshakarchi6076
@ahmedalshakarchi6076 7 лет назад
thank you
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 7 лет назад
Welcome GFM
@smokimon
@smokimon 11 лет назад
How would I remove the pulley of the motor shaft.
@Psalm1101
@Psalm1101 3 года назад
My oil furnace comes on but blower comes on when the chamber is hot is that normal then furnace shots off and blower continues thermostate is right on old oil beckett furnace
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 3 года назад
The blower comes on after the burner to insure you don't get a blast of cold air. It stays on after the burners shut down to clear the heat from the heat exchanger. GFM
@gerbilbeard7863
@gerbilbeard7863 3 года назад
Would a bad belt cause the blower to shake when on? Or is it an alignment issue? Thanks
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 3 года назад
Its probably just out of balance. Perhaps it dirty. GFM
@MPC-gk6st
@MPC-gk6st 7 лет назад
HelloI have been having problems with my have that is similar to yours The bearings Went bad So I replaced them with new ones with new housings that have grease fittings.Seems that everything is ok till the motor gets hot and shut down From getting to hot.Do you think if the belt was to tight it would cause overheating of the thermals on the motor ?Thanks
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 7 лет назад
Usually, having the belt too tight will not cause an overdraw unless the bearings are failed. About the only thing you can do now is check the amp draw of the motor. The adjustable pulley can be adjusted to run the fan slower that may help. GFM
@shellfreebird6120
@shellfreebird6120 7 лет назад
what type grease did you use?
@PaulWesleyBowen
@PaulWesleyBowen Год назад
I would have appreciated a little less talk and more demonstration. My cooler belt is too tight and I know how to adjust that. I just needed to know if that was the problem.
@randomrazr
@randomrazr 7 лет назад
how long do belts generally last
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 7 лет назад
A fractional horsepower belt can, if it is aligned properly and the drive pulley is not worn out, last up to 15 years. GFM
@DW-vl2wi
@DW-vl2wi 6 лет назад
grayfurnaceman And if they come straight from the manufacturer instead of sitting on a shelf somewhere.
@MaximRecoil
@MaximRecoil 5 лет назад
Where do you get replacement belts? Is it just a regular automotive fan belt?
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 5 лет назад
You can use automotive belts, but hardware store fractional HP belts will work. GFM
@MaximRecoil
@MaximRecoil 5 лет назад
@@grayfurnaceman Thanks.
@PhilBourgeois
@PhilBourgeois 6 лет назад
If it's over tightened Can the motor overload and thermally shut down
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 5 лет назад
An overtightened belt shouldn't cause the motor to overheat and shut down, but you can damage the bearings if the belt is too tight.
@Bill-up9xw
@Bill-up9xw 5 лет назад
Yes it definitely can, too tight will cause too much weight on the blower motor and it will cause overload on the motor
@anthonyhitchings1051
@anthonyhitchings1051 3 года назад
the belt's vibrations and deflections showed that the belt was too loose, and will decrease belt life
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 3 года назад
You don't understand the 4L belt. It does not work like A belts. These belts cannot be tightened in the same way. The bearings are bronze bushings. If I were to tighten this belt as you would an automobile belt, the bearings would soon fail. GFM
@DaggaSoft
@DaggaSoft 8 лет назад
My belt keeps breaking. replaced it last winter, just broke again. I replaced the belt with the same model as the previous, but it's a used house so for all I know it could have been the wrong belt in the first place. Any advice?
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 8 лет назад
+Dagga Soft Are you sure the driver pulley is not worn out? GFM
@marimorok
@marimorok 7 лет назад
It" s OK but how exactly you tight the belt?
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 7 лет назад
There is a bolt on the motor bracket that can be adjusted to lift the motor. GFM
@technicianengtestsolut8723
@technicianengtestsolut8723 7 лет назад
Our installation of v-belt: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-s7RZkYbHhmc.html
@jimdavidson5208
@jimdavidson5208 5 лет назад
Belt alignment here. ru-vid.com?search_query=adjust+motor+sheave
@ronnetteharvey2002
@ronnetteharvey2002 Год назад
That belt the second time is not tight.
@brandonfrazier1026
@brandonfrazier1026 Год назад
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@ronnetteharvey2002
@ronnetteharvey2002 Год назад
Your motor is flipping all over the place.!!! Good grief.
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman Год назад
You are comparing this application to automotive. They are not the same. The belt used is a fractional HP type designed for this application. Loose is better here. If you tighten the belt to auto specs, you will take out the bearings. GFM
@shawnbailey4833
@shawnbailey4833 9 лет назад
really you didn't even show how we tighten the belt. most stupid how to video I ever seen. doesn't even show how to tighten it yet the title says that's what its about
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 9 лет назад
+shawn bailey As there are a number of different setups for adjusting the belt for different fan assemblies, I chose to not to include how the adjustment is physically done. This video is about how tight the belt should be. Perhaps I should make another one that includes several designs of adjustment for belts. GFM
@edward7crawford
@edward7crawford 7 лет назад
shawn bailey have you ever heard of screws and bolts?
@xxxbernumxxx
@xxxbernumxxx 6 лет назад
shawn bailey use your eyes dude. You see the nut and bolt left of the pully on motor. That's how you do it..
@djtrump4101
@djtrump4101 6 лет назад
TALK FASTER UGH
@grayfurnaceman
@grayfurnaceman 6 лет назад
Sorry, probably will never happen. GFM
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