Even in Alien Force. He, using the law, conquers 10 other worlds, so can do whatever he wants to those planets since he legally rules them now according to Galactic Law, but still keeps going after Earth solely because of his hate boner for Ben, to the point his actions almost leads to his home planet getting completely conquered by Ghost Freak.
Funny thing is Grandpa Max did the same however vilgax doesn't have any hate or feeling of revenge for him. I guess everything he did and omnitrix being used by a kid who defeated him added upp to his vengeance for Ben.
I feel as though the reason Vilgax wanted to destroy Ben's town was because of familiarity. He's battled Ben so often and has both lost and probably been humiliated across the galaxy so it would make sense he'd feel somewhat petty, shifting his goal from 'Aquire the Omnitrix' to 'Aquire the Omnitrix....and as a bonus I can ruin the life of the weilder'.
13:51 The reason Animo's item isn't there could be a subtle hint that that Grandpa Max is trying hide the stuff that could reveal Ben's identity from his Parents {His mother to be accurate } By the way Ben's bullies seeing him transform and later in Alien Force them still messing with him………Shouldn't they have learned by now ? Also, what confuses me is how Classic ends and then when Alien Force starts Ben just isn't wearing the Omnitrix till he puts it back on How in the Null Void did they get it off of him cause in Alien force his parents mainly his dad had so much trouble just trying to get it off him when Ben was grounded
That…actually makes sense. If Ben hadn’t seen his future self and changed his fate, this episode would’ve actually happened and lead to that future, I guess. Huh, interesting thought
@@CaptainBeardo oh, I have more to say about Eon. Especially when Race Against Time happens. Sure, it’s probably headcanon, but it would make sense, at least with the Ultimate Ben 10K episode.
@@diegopansini3152 so the original ben 10,000 made vilgax into a brainlet and kevin became more menacingly evil and didn't join the team. And he banged another chick and not gwen lmao.
Am I the only one who imagines Eye Guy creation beeing something like: "We need a new alien. Any sugestions?" "I got it! What about an alien that shoot lazers from his eyes?" "That's nice, but maybe a little bit generic" "That's the cach: He has eyes all over his body (dramatic pause) except in his face" "Son, you're getting a raise"
Ben “running” away from Vilgax and his drones in the ruins of his destroyed home was him protecting his dad. Sure his armor is protecting them, but if he got caught in the crossfire of him trying to attack and Vilgax knocks him out of ball form, his dad would go flying and hit debris and possibly die from impact, blood loss, or infection. Ben played defense to protect his dad.
100% agree. I always got that impression even as a kid. If Ben fights Vilgax the way he normally would, Ben's father could be in serious danger or even be used as bait against Ben. Ben holding onto him in ball form is the best way he could've approached that scenario.
This goes back to a previous Poll on who would be the best to use the Omnitrix. Ben is the best because he goes above and beyond the simple uses. Plus, just because their simple, doesn’t mean their ineffective.
I'm extremely happy he was the last alien used in the entire show, not counting any of the movies of course. And him being the alien that helps defeat Vilgax gives him more merit. What a day to be an XLR8 fan...
This episode confused me as a kid, because I didn’t realize the comic thing meant non canon so when Alien Force started I didn’t understand why they were ignoring that Ben outed his secret identity at the end of this episode
Hey Kuro now that you are gonna review Alien Force I suggest you to have counters of Kevin shouting "MY CAR" The gang at Mr smoothie Kiss scenes Kevin's car getting destroyed
This would mean no feedback, also Ben giving up the hero business wouldn’t have happened, they would never show Ben giving up the watch, and ending it like that, without him getting it back, I can’t imagine Ben giving up for the respected series would ever work as a proper ending
@@Nickissimo Um, no, it wasn't explained at all, nor was it really implied. Plus Derrick Wyatt has stated that's not the case, and that no one in the crew even liked the idea. And thank god he did, because while I can understand Ben feeling distraught at the thought of losing Feedback and not wanting to fight for a while, him straight up removing the Omnitrix because of this always sounded completely ridiculous to me. "Oh shit, I just loss my favorite alien! I guess I quit." I'll never understand why people even remotely like this theory to begin with. There has to have been something more traumatic that happened later on that we're missing, and thank god again for Derrick's statement, which confirms this.
I'm from the future and they do have something similar. Every time someone says Kevin's name in surprise, their voices are dubbed over with Ben 10,000 saying "Kevin?!"
@@BreadOnInternet maybe 7 if you count Frogs of War or 8 if you count that one episode where young and teen Ben swapped places (since that could’ve caused time itself to fall apart)
Ya know, I like to believe Vilgax and Ben’s dad were having an actually civil conversation until Vilgax got bored and started Vilgaxing. I know there’s no reason to believe that, but the image of Vilgax sipping tea and sitting on a couch too small for him is hillarious to me.
My idea for this convo Vilgax: “Where is tennyson?” Bigger Tennyson: “Um, that would be me.” V: “No, the smaller one. I thought he lived here.” BT: “Oh you mean Ben?” V: *”BENNNNNN.”* BT: “Yeah hes at school.” V: “School?” BT: “Yep, the good ol american education system.” (Salutes) V: “Well then I’m sorry but i think I need to be somewhere else.” BT: “Now hold on, you can just wait for him here! think he might be done in just a few minutes.” V: (grumbles) “Fine.” BT: “here, have some tea while we wait!” (Ten minutes later) V: “Seriously is it almost done? Its been hard sipping this tea without a mouth.” BT: “Oh I’m sure he’ll be back soon, school ends at 2:00.” V: “wait how many earth minutes is that? Do my planet and your planet use the same time scale?” BT: (checks watch) “oh thats like thirty minutes from now.” V: “that seems like a lot.” BT: “yep, its half an hour.” V: (losing patience) how much is an earth hour, exactly?” BT: “60 minutes.” V: “…” BT: “…” (Awkward silence) V: “You know what? Just screw this, I’m just going to blow the whole place up.” *flips table*
Skywalking Studioz damn you put effort into this. I visualized this in my head and vilgax now seems like a nice guy to be friends with. He got the spirit just a lil power hungry in the head
@@Eacles because it’s a lot quicker and easier to say non canon. Plus stuff about the film is clearly no longer canon as seen with Eon’s species and motives
@@Eacles There's a theory that Eon was from an different alien species who later took over Ben of a different timeline and began his conquest of destroying Ben.
Imagine my disappointment when Ben's parents don't know his identity in Alien Force and are in bad terms with Max once again, it was a harsh introduction to non canon episodes...
I think that purple ribbon is from Gwen's lucky girl outfit, I know some will say that gwen should have it but it makes sense for Ben to have a piece of it too I mean they care for much for each other I like that Ben has it 😊 shows how much they really care for each other as a family
Yeah this episode confused the hell out of me, this alt canon stuff wasn’t something i could rap my head around and it kept making me question my ben was surprised vilgax came back in alien force. I too side with the idea of secret of the Omnitrix being the proper finale to the show given its importance to the story and all around epicness. -30:38 HE HAS A DOG?! Man i totally forgot i really hope he didn’t just die before alien force 8:12 My brother wears His bracelets twenty four seven, thats just how some folks do.
secrets can't be the finale since ben clearly unlocked eye-guy in the special, how would he be late as heatblast/xlr8. Plus the ending of secret is in the same background as the wedding.
@@WildWeavile clearly isn’t clear when theres three different beginnings to the movie. Even if its marginally more chronologically to be before the negative ten, secret feels much more thematically conclusive to the series and makes the series feel like it went out with a bang.
When Vilgax called out the Tennysons and the boys were like "which one", reminds me when Reboot Ben said to Alien X "seriously which one, there're lots of us here".
That was both hilarious and badass. Vilgax: "So much suffering. Are you prepared for more Tennyson?" Ben, Carl and Max: "You talking to me ugly?" Badass runs in the family.
i think it goes: Negative 10 is the series finale Secret of the Omnitrix is the finale Story-wise Ken 10 and Goodbye and Good Riddance could be post finale specials (A Ben 10,00 episode and an anthology episode respectively)
secrets can't be the finale since ben clearly unlocked eye-guy in the special, how would he be late as heatblast/xlr8. Plus the ending of secret is in the same background as the wedding.
@@WildWeavile Why would Ben being Eye-Guy mean Secrets isn't the finale? It's just 3 different takes of the opening but I do agree that Ben wouldn't be late as Heatblast and especially XLR8. And what are you talking about, Secrets being in the same backgrounds as the wedding? What does that matter?
@@WildWeavile its still up for debate which alien he actually used, though i do believe its Eye Guy since, well Eye Guy needs some love he just doesn’t get until Omniverse.
If this was the finale I'd be fine with it. I reckon it was mostly made before Alien Force was okayed for production might've been written during season 1
Honestly, I think the movie should have been the finale. Technically the Destroy all aliens is the proper finale, which bridges the gaps to Alien Force and the 11 year old Ben adventures in Omniverse.
I guess this Ben had even more troubled childhood (unlike how easy it's shown here with him going back to school like nothing happened) than prime Ben as his identity was never hidden and was constantly in media right from age 10 unlike the prime ones from 16. One of the possible reasons he got so grumpy by the time he reached 30.
While I loved seeing him reveal his secret identity, it felt really out of place that the thing that defeated Vilgax was some sewer explosion from Ben's dad. And the fact that supposedly that's how he stayed destroyed for 30 years. I think narratively, thematically, and emotionally, Secret of the Omnitrix works the best as the series finale.
I honestly like to imagine there was almost basically an entire episode's adventure of Ben unlocking Eye-Guy, learning somethings about him before Animo takes Gwen and Max. Ben then pursues Animo and breaks into his Lair with Eye-Guy and that's when the Movie Starts
Honestly, I never treated this as canon, mainly because it begins and ends with comic covers which I think is a way of saying that it's not canon. (I think they used comic covers for Gwen 10 but I don't remember.)
@@keelanbarron928 how exactly does anything in Alien Force contradict the ending of classic? If Destroy all Aliens is canon (which it actually is) than Ben’s parents had their minds frazzled and forgot everything that previously happened including knowing Ben’s secret.
Yeah i feel you on the school cafeteria time... In my high school we had 20 minutes to eat, but 10 of those were going down the stairs along with 200 people, then at least 5 minutes on line to grab the food...
Perhaps an amalgam of Ben 23 from Omniverse with ultimate alien. Since Grandpa has already guided him, it could focus on him trying to get back to finding the Hero in him while finding out how Grandpa disappeared
I know many people won't agree and maybe even judge me, but in my opinion this is the best OG Series episode that was aired, the fact Ben's identity is revealed and so we came to meet his parents and the dog, Vilgax attacking Ben's house simply genious
@@Nameless82284 I'm not talking about her being dead I was talking about Max hiding it even though Verdona knew and he knew she was an alien. Even in Alien Force Gwen's dad was saying Max still kept his Plumber Work secret from Verdona, I think he said something along the lines of "dad thought he hid that from you." But you are right as far as alien force goes at best it was still in early stages I dont even know if anodites or Verdona were even planned that early.
honestly, i'd like to see an alternate alien force continued from this finale, where Ben's secret being revealed when he's younger either leads to a Ben 23 situation, or where he goes more into training to help protect his loved ones (Similar to how theyre targeted in ultimate) from a young age, leading to a personality like his first 10,000 counterpart. And in turn, there could also be focus on Max seeing Carl's potential for being a plumber (as he does have the same ways of thinking in a fight as max and ben, seen in this episode), and recruits him for the rebuilding of the plumbers, leading to stories based on Carl and Max reconnecting and Max attoning for the neglect in Carl's youth. Also the dynamic would be adding another element to the previously touched upon Ben plotline, with Max possibly supporting Ben diving headfirst into full time hero/plumber work, and Carl trying to keep Ben's innocense, wanting to protect his son from losing himself the same way as his father
@@WildWeavile You have to consider a few things about the reboot: 1. It's a CN show so they could do what they wanted with it. 2. It's art still mimiced what they do with most of their current stuff, but if you check the animation and writing, you could see effort was still put to give the show some Ben Ten flare, especially near the end. 3. The writers and other crew were probably just having fun with some of the features from the other original series, like aliens, characters and such. Not defending it, but the reboot was basically proficied with how much back and forth Ben Ten had, and how CN wouldn't let it die peacefully(Five movies ain't no joke no matter how low budget or uncanon, and don't get me started on retcons).
Tbf as kuro said, their production schedules likely overlapped with one another so one could presume they weren’t even aware of what episodes they were doing
I think a good community poll would’ve been how many people even **knew** the final episode was non-canon Almost everyone I’ve ever talked about Ben 10 with had no idea it was an alternate timeline. I’ve gotten people to watch Alien Force, and they almost all ask “Wait, why does he have a secret identity? Everyone found out in the last episode of the original show”
You think an explosion in the sewers could kill Vilgax? He’s survived his ships exploding twice with one of them being by a nuke and an high tech grenade in the face
I have this idea for a fanmade alien, basically, what if one of Ben's aliens had the power to control Limits? Like say Ben becomes this alien and uses it to make it so that Rook or Kvein have no limits and can use their full power in battle. I'd like to call this alien "Binder" because his appearance is that of one. His homeworld is: Ligansapiea and his Species is called the "Ligansapiens" What do you think of this idea Kuro? I would love to hear your opinion!
or because he's not an old man watching tv 24/7 plus I think grandpa max is like sixty in os and like 65/66 in ben 10 ultimate alien force and omniverse and 60 isn't that old soooo
I’m in the camp of SOTO coming after the negative 10 mainly because of waybig I don’t think 10 year old Ben has the maturity to use him responsibly and even if he did why not use him against the negative 10 I mean if I was told that 10 of my worst enemies where all teaming up to take me down and steal a power source as strong as a star I would use a 100 foot tall super alien if I had one
He was over confident by then. Like how he says can anyone beat me standing on a roof top after defeating some thieves. Also if you see how he boosts himself when he's fourarms and says he can defeat all negative 10 with one arm tied behind his back.
Yes finaly in time for one of these…..clears throat….as we are close to alien force i just wanted to say…..kevin should have stayed a villain or at the most a anti hero….and gwens and kevins relationship have creeped me out since day one like what the fuck did the writers think?lets have kevin who has allmost killed ben on several times just roll up hey gwen wanna boink
I wonder if the bellwood shots were ever reused in alien force, they seem like they could be reused Oh, another comment asking to keep track of all the alien tech Kevin gets to "work on his car"
"LEMME TELL YOU SOMTHIN' INTERNET REVIEWER KURO... AND YOUR DUMB 'LEMME TELL YOU SUMTHIN' COUNTER... *RATH* DOES NOT HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT *'PLOT'* OR *'CHARACTER'...* RATH ONLY CARES HOW MANY TIMES RATH'S FIST CAN SMASH INTO YOUR *FACE* BEFORE YOU SCREAM FOR YOUR MOMMY!"
Oh, this explains such big questions I had in my mind for a long time. I remember this episode but never quite understood how Ben's identity was kept a secret afterwards, it not being canon explains it all, never payed much attention to the comic book thingies
@@johnnygyro2295 I think there was an idea around that in Omniverse, given how DJW also worked on Transformers, something to do with the Cluster which is how Khyber has trophies of Transformer weapons. DJW even drew a Cybertronian from for Ben.
@@ghostspider2056 An actual Cybertronian form for Ben? Cool. That said, a crossover between Ben 10 and Transformers Animated would be badass and/or hilarious.
I think as a kid I never realised this was really the end of classic series. That moment with Ben and grandpa shaking hands is a reallllly nice moment, seeing him more as his 10 year old grandson but as the hero he’s seen during the summer. What an episode despite the off model art style
Btw, something I figured out a couple of months back. One of Ben's catch phrases is "It's hero time." And then he hits a watch. It's hero *time*. Time, a watch. I never knew that until a few months back where I saw someones comment on that. My stupidity surprises me sometimes...
You know, there’s something I never thought about regarding Ben 10,000. Did Ben and Gwen get to meet Professor Paradox? In Alien Force, Paradox warns Gwen to never time travel, because time traveling is either “for fools or immortals”. Yet future Gwen pulled their past selves into the future. Food for thought and discussion
Paradox wasn't thought up when "Ben 10,000" was made but the answer your question, the reason Paradox interfered in "Time Heals" was because Gwen went back with to change history while in "Ben 10,000" she only brought kid Ben to the future to get adult Ben to lighten up.
I will be there for every final shows from ben 10...(favorite episodes) SEASON 1: last laugh....this episode was scary and because of zombozo..you know the scary clown.. he is amazing... SEASON 2: Ghostfreaked out.....there is nothing to say...its fantastic SEASON 3: Be afraid of the dark part 2...this episode has very cool visuals is of course scary and it has as final villan of the season..ghostfreak SEASON 4: ready to rumble...this season is the worst of the classic series...but from season 4 this is my favorite episode because of the characterization of ben and Gwen....and I love the plot of this episode...you know the two brothers have to save their mom and they must win the tournament to save her...I don't know I just love it and ben has good heart on this episode...
Hey wait isn't the reason why ben miss transforms in Ben Omniverse is because the Omnitrix doesn't show the aliens logos but has a holographic dial that only shows their heads and Ben gets confused because it doesn't show their whole body and ben gets confused🤔
So, I've been watching this series since it started and I'm a big fan. In some earlier videos Kuro, you mentioned a few other counters that you might have included, one of them being an 'Oh man' counter. I would like to throw my hat in the ring and give you the episode by episode count of 'Oh man' and 'Aw man' (since they are functionally the same). Season 1 - Total: 15 And Then There Were 10: 1 Washington B.C.: 2 The Krakken: 1 Permanent Retirement: 1 Hunted: 3 Tourist Trap: 1 Kevin 11: 1 The Alliance: 0 Last Laugh: 0 Lucky Girl: 0 A Small Problem: 1 Side Effects: 1 Secrets: 3 Season 2 - Total: 19 Truth: 0 Big Tick: 3 Framed: 1 Gwen 10: 1 Grudge Match: 1 The Galactic Enforcers: 1 Camp Fear: 3 The Ultimate Weapon: 2 Tough Luck: 1 They Lurk Below: 1 Ghostfreaked Out: 1 Dr. Animo and the Mutant Ray: 3 Back With a Vengeance: 1 Season 3 - Total: 28 Ben 10,000: 1 Midnight Madness: 3 A Change of Face: 1 Merry Christmas: 2 Ben Wolf: 2 Game Over: 1 Super Alien Hero Buddy Adventures: 2 Underwraps: 3 The Unnaturals: 6 Monster Weather: 1 The Return: 2 Be Afraid of the Dark: 3 The Visitor: 1 Season 4 - Total: 20 Perfect Day: 1 Divided We Stand: 3 Don't Drink the Water: 1 My Big Fat Alien Wedding: 0 The Secret of the Omnitrix: 6 Ben Four Good Buddy: 2 Ready to Rumble: 3 Ken 10: 1 Ben 10 vs. the Negative Ten, Pt.1: 1 Ben 10 vs. the Negative Ten, Pt. 2: 1 (There is one in the recap of part one, but I didn't count that.) Goodbye and Good Riddance: 2 Grand Total: 72 Fun Fact - Ben and his aliens are the only ones to say 'Oh man', except for Kenny when he gets stuck in the air vent, and Max in 'Ben Four Good Buddy' when he sees the modified Rust Bucket. This is my petition to add an 'Oh Man' counter, but I understand if it shouldn't be added after this as I don't know how much it comes up in the following shows and movies. Keep up the good work Kuro.
Wow ! I binge watched these videos this week. And what an amazing week this was thanks to you ❤️❤️. 16 Feb, 2022 will be a memorable date for me. Awesome Channel, may god bless you Bruv ❤️
Wow Dr Animo appears in this season more times than I remember. He's in Divided we Stand, the start of Secret of the Omnitrix, the Negative 10 and the end of this episode.
“20 minutes to serve lunch” FACTS thank you Kuro; finally someone understands my entire school life in a nutshell and people wonder why I eat fast now.
I completely didn’t know that this episode wasn’t canon/the finale, until watching this. And I watched Ben 10 classic for the first time only about a month ago. Didn’t know about the comic book intro/outro automatically meaning it was an AU, so I just assumed it was part of the story. (Cue confusion about certain circumstances when watching Alien Force. Lol) I’m glad your videos are here. XD
Been beyond an absolute pleasure to have contributed throughout the run! This segment will be posted as its own OmniTalk Mini-episode on my channel with more to come with time! Thank y’all so much, and happy breakdown!
I have a theory I think the bird guys might of been sent by kangaroo commando and he might have wanted revenge so we might have hired them. Maybe they didn’t like A kangaroo commander show being closed so they went to him in jail to see if he had any spare gadgets in like a warehouse or something so they can get their revenge on Ben.
do you think the off modelness has to do with the fact its treated like a lost episode? also i think the reason bens aliens were weaker is he didnt want to destroy the school... entirely