Everyone saying JP is classy here, but he confesses they pay him a ton of money. So what he’s really saying is “I’m NAWT risking my bloody payday, bucko!”
As someone that does not watch DW content anymore (since about 2019 or so), this comes off as people wanting JP to have the same opinion that _they_ do, about some pointless drama (of which I'm not aware). From what I've seen, a lot of Catholics tend to be dissatisfied, with anyone who doesn't agree with everything they think, at all times (and this seems to be a 'Catholic' channel). It's cult-like.
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 I’m sure you’re accurately describing *some* people. However, you admit you haven’t watched the content, so it’s presumptuous of you to believe you understand my opinion. My argument is the DW has a prescribed view on Israel, and all its content creators must never speak against it lest they be fired as Owens was.
hes not commenting because its unproductive to pick a side and play favorites and start conflict, yeah, they do pay him, he wont deny it, but it doesn't make him a tool. hes not a tool, if he was a tool, hed sell himself to Canada hell in a handbasket so hed keep his license, and shave his eyebrows, shave his head, and tattoo a vagina on his skull. Peterson enjoys money evidently, but hes not a fool, and he is self aware appropriately to not consume himself with greed at the cost of the truth and moral responsibilities. to be capable of thinking so intensely, emotionally, and as provocatively as he does, and lie about all of it, hed be close to putting a gun to his head at every interview.
Yes. But the subconcious subtext excludes criticism of Israel. It's a ĺot easier to slip into mental reservation with that long list of "ridiculous" benefits. $$$$
@@djoseph5072 & @pitface3016 (this goes for both of you) Your argument, which is the same argument for both of you, just in a different light, is flawed because it hinges on him being comprised “subconsciously or consciously” by money or camaraderie, which is unfalsifiable and speculation, because he could just not be. But we still have no idea. And ironically what’s your “subtextually explicit, subconsciously,” motivation for wanting to think, without evidence, that he’s comprised? There’s obviously a reason beyond Jordan himself. I mean there one thing to just make conclusions or theories on current and past evidence but your going beyond that, obviously, pulling subjective examples from your emotions. If we just went on his past track record besides the Israel and now Candice thing, the evidence of his integrity is in his favor, by a lot. But he could very well be compromised, but we have no idea either way, so I don’t think it’s helpful to anybody besides yourself, to make statements as unequivocally true that are based on literal assumptions about his character.
Taking the Lord's name in vain is a sin. You're using His name as a political slogan to rub in the faces of Jews. Not to mention displaying a preachy public show of faith, which is also condemned by Christ. You are doing nothing useful, evangelical, or moral by using that phrase.
@@sercastamere9853could you please cite your source? I see nowhere saying “Christ is King” is somehow taking the Lord’s name in vain. That may be your interpretation, but it doesn’t mean it’s in the scripture. And if your claim is correct, many Catholic schools are built in sin.
I can see how this cold be interpreted to be antagonistic, but usually I see it in the context of people celebrating their faith among sympathetic others. These days, accusations of bigotry are power grabs far more often than they are credible. Weaponizing victimhood is a dangerous game. Remember the boy who cried wolf.
Someone gets unjustly fired over free speech matters and he's disinterested. In every other instance Jordan and other colleagues get up in arms. But in regards to this infringement they chose convenience. That sounds cowardly to me
For what we know so far Candace wasn't fired. She didn't want to renew her contract. Also free speech doesn't protect someone from being fired, nor does being fired from a company violate free speech in any way.
There is no free speech on a platform where you are specifically hired based on your opinions. DW hired her/Jordan in the first place because they liked her opinions/her takes. They can fire her for her political stances and takes. I'm sure if Jordan started saying Michael Knowles was unhinged after some pro-lifer got locked up for praying at an abortion facility, and then started doing episodes about why being pro-choice may be more ethical, they would get rid of him too.
A "role model" who wrote a book about 12 rules and none of those rules helped him with his depression or drug addiction when his wife got sick. His life was in great disorder and he broke one of his own rules - by criticizing the world - before getting his own life in order. 📖 That’s the story behind 12 Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson.
Translation. I don’t want to mess with he who butters my bread. And as for C.O. I don’t want to cross wires with a frag grenade with a couple of cards it’s best not to mess with.
I haven't watched DW content for several years, but I don't see how JP's position would change if he wasn't being paid by them. Why even ask about drama, in the first place? I watched Ben's podcasts for years (and other's, like Klavan or Knowles), until one by one, I found them being disingenuous -- for example, Ben mindlessly repeated Muh Charlottesville hoax, about Donald Trump supposedly supporting Nazis, and never apologized. So, I noticed the pattern and concluded that they're likely some kind of controlled opposition, and probably funded by Swamp dollars -- too many connections with people like Glenn Beck, etc.
Love Jordan but joining DW was the wrong move. His original Biblical series was so much better. The others on the Exodus examination just take away from the time we get to hear his unique takes. The fact that he can't comment on this is saddening. I wish Candace and Ben could of had a fruitful discussion.
Candace is a veracious debater but she mostly likes the combat, she doesn't like being informed. Look up "Candace Moon Landing Maher" and you will cringe beyond your wildest dreams as she tells Maher she doubts the moon landing and then asks him why NASA never returned only for him to inform her of around 6 subsequent missions
There is no such thing as a fruitful discussion with Candace. There never has been. It is continuously astonishing how well she has managed to pull the wool over so many people's eyes just by throwing out the correct assortment of buzzwords. It just shows that a large plurality of those on the "neo-conservative" right are just as ideologically shallow and infantile as the screaming whiners on college campuses. It just takes a different form. Candace is quite honestly less intellectually honest than Ana Kasparian at this point, and that is saying something.
@@pawepawe5854 if you seriously think candace hasn't purposefully chosen that for pragmatic reasons good luck to you. It's not about defending the christian faith, even less about proclaiming Christ's position of authority over creation.
@@pawepawe5854 Candace Owens didn’t use “Christ is King” to mean Christ is King. Candace Owens used “Christ is King” to mean “I don’t like Jews.” It’s amazing how easily fellow Christians will defend someone to the death, just because that person winks in their direction. Kinda sad actually.
He is not a free speech absolutist, which its worth pointing out NEITHER are Catholics. But by all means continue to view yourself as completely righteous
You missed the chance to make the perfect question: "Do you think they would also fund your million dollar seminar if it was about someone from the New Testament?"
He literally mentions later in this interview that they just finished filming a similar seminar on the Gospels set to release sometime later this year. Also, two out of the three founders are Christians. All of their hosts except JP and Ben are outspoken Christians. What are you on about?
Because the christians that they tolerate are the lukewarm christians. The ones that think that the universal religion concept, which tries to conceal the Truth behind the relativism, is aceptable. The ones that go to the Abrahamic Family House. While the ones that testify to the uniqueness of following Christ and say things like "Christ is King" are being persecuted. If they ever do any seminar about the Gospels, it will be that bland modernist view and not a true christian perspective.
Just like most people in the comments section who have absolutely nothing useful to add either, yet for some reason decided to speak anyways. Wish more people had Peterson's sense
hes saying not everything has to be a combative opinionated take. Peterson probably has a unique approach, but like most of his takes, people like to take it the wrong way, blow it out of proportion and then say hes a lobster red skulled nazi.@@frankjoyce76
whatever makes you feel better, dude. They're all on zy an ist payroll. A lot of Petersons stardom came from his staunch support of free speech. He's a massive hypocrite and a coward. Deal with it.
@@dave9547 so you just disregard everything else JBP has said and done about the rules for life that helped millions of people around the world from this one line he said about money. ok.
I'm extremely sad to see Jordan not stick up for Christ is King . Simply because he is paid a lot of money, and he's "not alone". This is counter to what I believe him to be. 😢
Ive never seen him not give an honest and truthful answer. Of cours he has an opinion on this. Its a huge thing that's happening within the company he work's and involving several people hes closely worked with. I genuinely think, he strongly disagrees with the daily wire. But he obviously doesn't want to put his job in jeopardy. I think if he agreed with them he would of been more forthcoming
He never said he didn't have an opinion on it. He said he doesn't have anything to add that would be useful and I agree with him. Let Candace dig her own grave.
Didn't Jordan just recently deride the College of Psychologists of Ontario for trying to control his opinions? Didn't he say that his private opinions and twitter activity should not cause the college to drop him? Didn't he call them cowards? What the college did to him seems to be what DE did to Candace. Now he will not address it?
@@taxfinancetipstvonequestio4107do you think he’s required to talk about this topic, freedom of speech doesn’t mean you have to add to every online controversy going on
It's pretty well established that Jordan stands up against compelled speech. And he was and can easily be successful without DW. So your comment has no substance.
@@etherspinwhatever makes you feel better, dude. They're all on zy an ist payroll. A lot of Petersons stardom came from his staunch support of free speech. He's a massive hypocrite and a coward. Deal with it.
@@dave9547 how has *anything* about DW breached anyone's free speech ? Free speech doesn't mean your media business therefore has to hire everyone for their views e.g. daily wire doesn't have to Hire Joy Reid or Rachel Maddow if they apply for a job! There is literally one Jewish guy at DW surrounded by Christians and other conservatives What is this weird "what ever makes you feel good/better" nonsense? We are adults. Snide nonsense is just bad faith discussion
@@etherspin they had already hired her. Then fired her and put a gag order on her. Does peterson stand for free speech or not? No he doesn't. He's all talk. End of story.
'There's nothing useful to add to the discussion'. Exactly. If more took that tack & didn't respond to the back & forth (incl BS & CO) it wouldn't have gotten so bad.
I agree. Sometimes, it is best to say silent and speak privately between parties. Just because he has an opinion on just about everything doesn't mean he should make everything known. Maybe it is because of money. Maybe it is because he likes both Candace and Ben and doesn't want to get involved in a public matter. Who knows. I think people want him to speak, hoping he takes one side over another.
Lol, yet he tweets a millon times like a GenZ. . . Peterson have failed himself, and his rules. . I respected him, now all I see is a clown who can stand up for oppressed people, after decades of preaching about tyranny
@@jeangold8789 I don't think what he said was terrible. Although I do think it was measured. He chose to talk about his own experience with the DW plainly because that's what he felt comfortable sharing in the moment and because of his fruitful partnership with them. And it's no wonder. It's like the DW took JP's ideas for potential projects, pumped them up with high-level production and a crap ton of funds and made them into a reality that was beyond anything he could have done himself. From his POV, it makes sense. "A contract has been worked out so that all of the stuff I want to do is backed by a multi-million dollar company with no drawbacks at my expense? Sign me up!!" (I mean, there was no way JP could have created that mini-documentary and tribute to Newfoundland and Rex Murphy without DW's backing). But I get it. People want him to criticize the DW for how they unjustly fired Candace but he chooses to sidestep the issue altogether because, as people believe/suspect, they're paying him generously and effectively tampering his tongue. For now though, I'll tentatively take JP's word at face value. I do hope it will 'sort itself out' and, as he also commented, that anything he could have said would only have caused more trouble than net benefit. Otherwise, he would be breaking his "tell the truth or at least don't lie" principle. And, to steal another one of his phrases, "These things are complicated!" A twitter/X exchange and clips regarding a messy termination issue of public figures and incorporated businesses, no matter how impressionable they can be, do not do enough justice to pierce the corporate veil to show the entirety or true character of Candace's interactions with DW that lead to the breakdown of their relationship. If this was just some beef between RU-vidrs, I'd give the online exchanges/comments more weight (although what's shared online still probably is insufficient). But involving a corporation as big and complex as the DW doing business deals with a well-known figure like Candace who has her own backing vis-à-vis her well-capitalized, business-savvy husband? I'd suspect there was a lot more back and forth behind the scenes that isn't at least fully shared due to contracts, confidentiality agreements, privacy laws, professional ethics, etc. blah blah blah, etc. Call me a fence sitter, grifter, a DW/JP supporter, a Candace Owens hater, a willfully blind idiot, whatever, but I'd rather wait than cast dispersions without being sure of the full picture.
bro be so for real now: honest conversations? candace owens knows absolutely nothing about israel and judaism yet comments on it anyway. millions of people are having conversations about this topic. we don’t need another useless ill-informed voice playing the victim when nobody with an IQ over 100 is listening. this is the same woman who believes the moon landing is fake and 9/11 was an inside job. 🙃
You don't need to speak on every instance of that, and besides its not like Candace is some poor delicate little flower who's being "oppressed", she's been overtly antisemitic and aggressive towards Ben to the point of lying. That is as Ben has said quite despicable
Name the "despicable antisemitism" Candace showed towards Ben. Even they can NOT cite ANY examples and have to resort to pretending to read intentions, contradicting all their previous stances when it came to racism and micro-aggressiona but here you are with bald faced falsehoods.
I think being silent on the Candace/Shapiro situation is one thing. But he has lectured on how normal people can become indifferent to the suffering of others in reference to the genocidal mindset of Nazi and Russian Gulag society but is himself silent when it comes to speaking out on today's genocide in Gaza because it would be a difficult path to tread for him. He's came through a lot over the past few years with his health and the health of his wife so i can give that a pass I don't think he's ready to make an enemy of the people he's became so ingratiated with where merely showing the slightest empathy towards Palestinian innocent people being killed is automatically viewed by some as a simultaneous hatred of Jews. That's how warped the situation is and worsening as each day goes by. I fear he will regret later in life not saying something when it mattered and account of the horror has been absorbed.
There’s a big difference indifference to government and the DW company. The amount of slippery slope and conflating with this scenario when she was acting inappropriate publicly towards Ben directly for months is ridiculous.
@@RachelDee Hence my point on his being silent on the DW fallout was 'one thing' which could be set aside. . But he has wrote books and given lectures on how one should act and recognize who they are in reflection of past atrocities with how normal people became indifferent to great evil given context time and place etc. i just find it telling that genocide is happening today in Gaza and he who has a voice heard by millions and which he uses to critique the US government on so many issues is silent on its active collaboration with Israel in genocide because it clearly puts him at personal odds with those he is tied with .
@@RachelDee Don't get me wrong i like JP.. I just think he's called this one wrong and will come to regret having said so little when it would have counted a great deal, especially with the ethos he sold in his ooks for years . i can't say i'm not disapointed.
@@thagreatadante Can you do something for me? Can you swap out some of the key words you used with the BLM rhetoric of 4 years ago and critically think through if what you’re saying is fair and sound? His books never have specified which issues or how many societal issues one should be responsible to speak up about. While I see your point, I think if you’re sincere, you’ll also see a point of caution with the “silence is violence” judgment.
@@RachelDee Your comparing BLM BS with 40 thousand dead most of which are women and children ??? The mass grave discovered and verified by outsiders near a hospital just weeks ago. The dead - patients and hospital staff among which were young children. Hands tied behind their backs and shot in the back of the head. BLM !!!!! . Maybe your the one who's head is 4 years into the past. Genocide is quite a step away from the fancy makeup brigade your confusing with causing problems within the US.
Candace says Christ is King, Shapiro denies Christ is King. There's a very clear side to take here and this side-stepping by Peterson is nothing but cowardice.
@@piface3016 I've long suspected that money had an oversized impact on Mr. Petersons decision regarding who he aligns himself with. He was a powerful and innovative voice. I'm sad that his legacy is being tarnished. He was bound to stumble sooner or later. I wish him the best.
@@piface3016 Lol bruh... Ben's business partner Jeremy who is his best friend is a Protestant. Other DW members are Catholics or Protestants. Ben is the only one who follows Judaism. It's so weird that you guys were never aware of this... So this arrangement was never a problem before. And suddenly it is. Now people like you are demanding JP to pick a side. Something that the other Catholics/Protestants members of the DW never had to do before.
I don't like how the cancelled Candance. I hope she makes her own show and is able to speak the truth, with no ties to the right and no ties to the left. There are few people like that. When funds start to come the strings get attached and people take one side or the other, and stop speaking the truth.
Jordan says "He hates when there'e rules for everything". One important rule and DW is "Do not in any way, shape or form criticize Jews or Israel". So I am not really feeling that this is an organization with no rules.
@@beautifulrose8619 But he published a book called "12 rules for life". I thought he was all about order. This is confusing! I think Father Barron said once that rules and laws are to protect what is valuable for us. Depending on the values we have is the rules that we are in favor. People have different values, and therefore they hate some rules and love others. I guess all of us will end up with some rules.
They did not censor her (or any of the other hosts) - some of her strange positions were not a good fit for DW. Mrs. Farmer declaring her “freedom” was silly and rather prideful. She was completely free to leave any time.
Then I guess he doesn't feel the need to then. It's also never good practice to publicly throw the organization who pays you under the bus. It's always best to remain neutral.
And he does, he's choosing his battles and this is just an unnecessary one, it shows a high level of discipline to know when to keep shut about certain public issues, so many other people would have jumped on the opportunity to pick sides and give their opinion.
Not sure if Peterson was pressed in the Gaza war. Would have been interesting to know his position. My guess is he’d have been non-committal. Too much at stake, you see, financially and career-wise. Pity.
Peterson needs to get out of his online, debate, twitter bubble. If you go out into the real world and talk to normal people, the middle is alive and well.
What?? He literally says this about the real world all the time. He says, on Twitter it’s like everyone is fighting but then he does things like the seminars in the real world and they are overwhelmingly positive… He’s not oblivious to this.
The fact that Jordan's first thought is about how well the Daily Wire is paying him kinda reveals everything. Candace is morally right, Daily Wire is financially right. For now, he chooses the latter. Eventually...he'll realize the former is more important. In time, he'll join Candace. No doubt about it.
Hasn't Candace defended Andrew Tate? I used to think that she was a moraly right person, but now she's basically trying to appeal to muslims with this whole thing. She apologized to muslims because she confessed being "manipulated by the media after 9/11"... Apostate Prophet called her out on her lies, and she straight up blocked him. I don't know man, defending Tate is kind of a deal breaker, and she clearly has an agenda that does not seem that guided by morality
Bro I am so sick of the big con nonsense. DW has been the only effective media organization in the last two decades. Stop with this nonsense. It is absolutely ridiculous. I'm telling you conservatives just want to lose.
Jordan was right not to get involved in that tbh. Matt was right not to chase him down on it either. Tbh, I don't think anything good comes out of them debating. We have enough 'fueled up' people already who can barely have a conversation without betraying a bias. Enough imo. I just want peacemakers tbh
whatever makes you feel better, dude. They're all on zy an ist payroll. A lot of Petersons stardom came from his staunch support of free speech. He's a massive hypocrite and a coward. Deal with it.
This is why I love Jordan Peterson. He is honest. People prefer to be lied to. I would ABSOLUTELY 100% also have stayed out of an internal conflict that has NOTHING to do with me too if I were in the shoes of Jordan Peterson. Calculating your usefulness in a contentious interaction between two grown up, civilized (former) colleagues is smart.
whatever makes you feel better, dude. They're all on zy an ist payroll. A lot of Petersons stardom came from his staunch support of free speech. He's a massive hypocrite and a coward. Deal with it.
@@dave9547It's not about free speech. They hired her because they liked her speech and fired her because they disliked it. It is not a free speech platform it's a right-winged, religious bent platform. She started going into an anti-Israel place and thats probably why they got rid of her.
I would read that as being Dr JP being respectful to his partners/employers at the DW without casting pointless aspersions against Candace Owens. but also perhaps not wanting to add fuel to a fire on this in-fight within a burgeoning, powerful and popular neo-conservative alliance, as these fissures can become schisms and hamper the progress of what their big strategic objectives are. He’s got enough battle scars to know he cant do this alone
Why do Peterson fans emulate the way he speaks with how they comment? That was so needlessly wordy to state the obvious. He makes more money staying out of it.
whatever makes you feel better, dude. They're all on zy an ist payroll. A lot of Petersons stardom came from his staunch support of free speech. He's a massive hypocrite and a coward. Deal with it.
Ahah it's like in shortly saying "I accept everything the devil gives me and he's giving me a lot. Jesus rejected the offers in the desert, I want it all and it's amazing".
whatever makes you feel better, dude. They're all on zy an ist payroll. A lot of Petersons stardom came from his staunch support of free speech. He's a massive hypocrite and a coward. Deal with it.
The free speech guy not commenting on the company he works for silencing a former employee with a gag order after agreeing to debate that former employee is a little disappointing. And I’m someone who has been a huge fan of Jordan for years. Don’t have hero’s, they’ll always let you down.
You're implying that Candace is unimpeachable and 1000% honest about being "oppressed" by a contract she negotiated for herself? And the fact that she instigated the conflict by smearing Ben with falsehoods? Somehow not running to her defense or even commenting in general is Peterson being "cowrdly and greedy"?
I like Ben.. but I feel he went over the top.. and lettuce feelings get in the way.. of sound judgment.. my opinion only.. then I definitely agree more with Candice with regards to this whole thing..
Ben just seems to have dual loyalties. Idk I used to like him a lot but anytime there is some policy that would truly be America first but that would cost say Israel or Ukraine suddenly we have to do what’s “morally right” in foreign policy.
@@thedarkwolf3047 “dual loyalty” no he has never been an isolationist in terms of foreign policy. To him there needs to be an off-ramp. He doesn’t believe in funding Ukraine indefinitely. But it is WILD that Americans suddenly think we should throw Ukraine to Russia. If you are old enough , chances are you were like pro-invading Iraq at the time. Funding Israel and Ukraine makes FAR more sense and is a lot cheaper, costing 0 American lives to do
only people that easily manipulated can be on her side. She runs around apologize Muslim because of the way they have been treated after 9/11. Yeah, say that to the victims of the event. After October 7th all she reports was how Israel bombing damage some part of a church in that war zone. It's a war zone for God sake. If there is a black massacre she would jump up and down, not that silent. During the height of the feud after Ben's video, she posted a line saying you can only choose God or money. Ben's response was nothing wrong, if she thinks working for DW gets in the way of her serving God, she should quit. But no, she runs around saying she was simply quoting the Bible and being attacked. Really? Candace, the mama bear, the drama queen, was simply quoting it without any implications for the other side at all? I saw it as a lie, and using Bible to your own agenda is much more sinister, and I'm not even religious like somebody who is always using buzzword "Chris is King" to their agenda like her. Was a follower before that but it was too obvious from her moves and lies. She was trying to find a way out, did everything she could to stir the pot, and appeal to the large population of ever growing Muslims, who always consider her "Chris is King" is their enemy.
@@ItsThatGuy1989 if you're old enough you supported the war in Iraq BECAUSE you initially believed Saddam had weapons of mass destruction that he could pawn off to terrorist organizations.
Of the faults that the DW+ may have, funding the production of Jordan Peterson is one of their best investments. Does it change the mess with Candace? No, that I still consider a badly handled situation. Jordan Peterson is the sole reason I am maintaining my DW+ subscription.
Why not? Either you agree with Ben or Candace, and certainly there is something to critique about at least the one with which you disagree. Why spare the criticism? Seems like the seem reason he has for not admitting that he thinks god/Yahweh is fiction - he can’t alienate the one sided fan base he still has after the left turned on him, not completely without good reason.
Really really really disappointed in Jordan Peterson these days....I want to hear his honest opinions on the issues. Even if he is 100% on Israel's side, there is no way he's not the type of person to have conversations with each side of an issue, and also call out people for their lies, hypocrisy and misrepresentations. He's clearly pigeon-holed and compromised. I hope he leaves.
I get that the money is good and Jordan gets his wild ideas funded ... but here's the thing. What if he had a wild idea Jeremy REALLY didn't like? What if the DW then went out of its way to deplatform Jordan for having that idea in the first place, and Ben was telling people how he can't talk about it but Jordan is this terrible human being that should be trashed but "no comment, bro"? What if the right was playing the exact same game of censorship and tiered justice as the social justice warriors do on the other side? Would it still be "pointless" for Jordan to have an opinion about it then? Inquiring minds want to know.
You’re not thinking critically to conflate that hypothetical with what they did to Candace. They didn’t deplatform her or censor her. She was let go. That’s it. It wasn’t just an opinion. It was months of publicly unprofessional and divisive behavior towards him as an individual. This narrative is ridiculous.
@@bobjenkins3rd Black Tea News Why Ben Shapiro is Angry with Candace Owens November 17, 2023. Includes whole context, quotes, clips, and and an analysis that goes deeper than “she told the truth and they didn’t like it.” Minus the point of how Owen’s supported Kanye while he had an antisemitic username prior to Oct 7th that I can’t copy here. Not that you’ll take the time to look it up. It might disrupt what you believe in a way that’s too close for comfort.
@@RachelDeeI skimmed it. I’ve seen most of the primary sources it references. It doesn’t have a grasp of the entire larger situation and instead tries to focus on or create controversy. In a nutshell, Candace learned more around history analogous to when she was exposed to Larry Elder and Thomas Sowell earlier in her career and became critical of black culture. She started reporting on her show what she was learning. The truth clashes with Jewish narratives and she started exposing it. I’m referring to things not reported in the media including the black tea article. She started to become critical of Jewish culture breaking certain paradigms conservatives had accepted which is certainly not permitted on the daily wire. Now is she the best source on this topic? No of course not but that’s not the topic at hand. As to the present Gaza conflict, it’s quite clear what’s going on to those familiar with the history of the region. Where do you think “from the river to the sea” came from? It wasn’t Palestinians. But so few people are familiar because we’ve all been taught Jewish alt history from birth. There is an existential threat to the nation of Israel not from Hamas, but public support more broadly. So candace absolutely could not continue at the daily wire. To be clear, I haven’t taken sides with my comment as to Israel, Gaza, etc. They are complex issues that require some background. I would recommend martyrmade’s series on it for an introduction. It is around 20 hours though and couldn’t be told in a shorter length. It’s certainly not antisemitic.
@@hemlock999 this narrative is ridiculous. Everyone saying this is ignoring how she behaved unprofessionally and publicly. She openly shared her opinion and disagreed for months. Companies, even conservative ones, are not bound to have endless free speech privileges. That is not hypocrisy. Hypocrisy would be doxxing her and eliminating any chance she’ll ever have at a future job anywhere else.
@@hemlock999they champion free speech in the public domain. They are a private company that has no obligation to pay people to espouse rhetoric they find reprehensible. If you think ending a business relationship is equivalent to cancellation, you need to go back to 6th grade.
Not sure why there are so many conservative personalities that want to take sides and create extra drama from this Ben and Candace disagreement. Jeremy at the Quartering, Benny Johnson, Lauren Chen, done with them all. Petty people that want to get more views by sewing dissent amongst conservatives.
@@Youttubeuser20932True, but people don’t need to milk a story for so long. It was business and people get fired, conservatives need to focus on more important issues.
I think this disagreement is actually good cuz it shows the ideological differences in place within the conservative movement on different issues. IMO Ben might have good social views but he has terrible foreign policy and economic takes and I think that’s important to point out even if it causes tension, Israel is one those issues.
@@followerofchrist3125 It’s not milking a story. It’s a big issue, and two famous political commentators disagree. Why not let them go back and forth? AlsoX Peterson comments on a bunch of other far less important stuff, like a fat girl on a magazine cover, an actress getting a mastectomy, or bike lanes. He’s also commented on this issue specifically. Why not call out Candace since he thinks Israel should “give them hell”.
For someone who really appreciates the comments and perspectives both Ben And Candace this episode is really tough. It’s a complicated issue with lots of moving parts and intricate details with loads of misinformation. We certainly live in interesting times.
Joh 9:22 These things his parents said, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had already agreed among themselves that if any man should confess him to be Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
The narrative is that she offended a coworker (Ben) too much with her outspoken opinion about him and about Israel. There’s other details that could be relevant and nobody’s remembering or mentioning. None of us truly knows the whole story and we all need to do better remembering that.
Jordaan Peterson: "My 30 pieces of silver compensates me well enough to know i shouldn't be biting the hand that feeds me, to know which side to pick, to know that an interview with BB & M.Yousuf as guests would please my masters.....But hey you know im nothing but neutral and would never sell out right😂😂😂"
Its interesting that Jordans first reaction was to start defending his relationship with DW. Almost as if he knew they were in the wrong. No one questioned his partnership with DW so why on earth start explaining all the benefits?
That's how you see it? The way I see it, he just doesn't want to say anything inflammatory because there is no reason for him to do so. So he just decided to say something positive about working at DW, something that he got first hand experience on.
So, he sides with Daily Wire / Ben Shapiro because they pay him well, but they don't pay him well enough to be an absolute buffoon about it (i.e. Andrew Klavan). Got it. Totally fair position for him.
Hes damned if he says anything and hes damned if he doesn't. Hes absolutely right in what hes doing. Whats between Candace and the Daily wire is between those two parties, why add noise to the mess. Also he is being very pragmatic and forthcoming about it, yes he is being paid well at the daily wire; if y'all were in the same situation and weren't caught up in the mess that has NOTHING to do with you, y'all wouldn't want to get involved either. So dont act all holier than thou
Kinda seems like a call for help. He basically tells us he got bribed by all the support he got from the DW and now consciously or unconsciously he wont bite the hand that feeds him. I mean this is textbook corruption. Shower someone with gifts and they will be your stoutest defender.
I think the real reason people are so upset about his response isn’t because they think he’s a shill, even if they do think he is, but it’s because they, themselves, need someone to tell them if the daily wire and Shapiro and all of them can be trusted. And when he said he has nothing to say either you take that as he’s being courteous and truthful or he’s sold out and won’t say what he actually believes. I mean Peterson jumped on the Israel bandwagon so quick people were kinda shocked by that and then the accusations of him selling out came flooding in more than ever before and it could be true on that but also we have no idea if that’s actually what he 100% believes or was told to, but he also said they leave him alone, so who knows. It doesn’t matter who he partners up with, there will always be people throwing these kind of accusations around. I mean why else would you get so upset besides already hating him to begin with? It’s pretty obvious.
I think it's very sad what social media has done to us, that we think everyone needs to state their opinion about everything or face criticism. That's unnatural, unhealthy and has harmed our society . There is such a thing as keeping holy silence. It's not about the 1st Amendment. It's about the 8th COMMANDMENT.
Its imperative for Jordan Peterson to speak on this matter. He a big freedom of speach Guy and we all know that he is hearing and seing what is going on with Candance, this is almost the same thing that happend to him with his teaching job. Its so like Jordan though to expose himself about the money and honestly say that is good to not be alone. He will have come around though since Daily Wire has become unwatchable for me.
Anyone on this page who thinks its a good idea to publically to shame or publically call out your "employer", needs to do just that, and tell us how it works out. Hypocrites. Not to mention he is friends with both of them. Grow up people!
@@officialibn8nah if you’ve seen any of his work he’s put out he’s very intelligent, you only hate him because he doesn’t support everything you support
My honest opinion is that only those who already had something against Jordan are the ones speaking out against him. I respect his response, his words can only cause unnecessary controversy and become detrimental in the near future. Some might agree that that was a wise move.
