Protect yourself with the VPN I trust to keep me safe online. Visit www.expressvpn.com/benyt to get three extra months free. Ben Shapiro ranks every Batman movie (and a few TV shows)
@@gimmeaford9454 Hahah, right? Nolan's Batman films all have actively incomprehensible action geography which just happen to sometimes include stunning establishing IMAX shots. Blatantly poor fundamental filmmaking craft held together and saved by the seeming orientation of Hans Zimmer's confidently bombastic assurance to barrel straight through the discombobulating inconsistencies and convolutions. Facts over feelings now.
Kevin conroy did the best voice acting for Batman ever. His vocals are better than Bale’s by far. And Bale was overall great, but his bat voice was atrocious. Keaton’s was good. But Conroy is the GOAT
I would addend this by saying that the Arkham games for PS/ PC voiced by kevin conroy are the best iterations of batman in modern day (or all day, any day etc).
Batman Mask of the Phantasm should have been it's own choice on this list. I know you listed the series, but that film is a great representation of the character, and why the Batman does what he does. Someone could tell me they think that's the best adaptation of Batman, and I wouldn't think less of them for it. It's not mine, but it's certainly worthy of the title. That tombstone scene in the rain where he is speaking to his parents is pretty haunting and shows you how this guy just can't let it go and move on with his life. Why he needs to just keep putting the cape and cowl back on.
I love that movie but I do actually like Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero more. That and The Dark Knight Returns Deluxe Edition are my favourite Batman movies, period. As for theatrical release, it's Batman Begins.
I am genuinely shocked at Ben's knowledge of Batman and his general appreciation of both the character and new takes. Shapiro's always well-spoken so his analysis of Ben's Bruce and Batman is really nice to hear.
I don't think you can compare the two. Heath Ledger's performance as the Joker in the Batman world was phenomenal. The best ever! Now, Joaquin's performance as a man beaten down and his slow spiral into insanity was also phenomenal. But they were two very different portrayals of The Joker.
The Lego Batman Movie should have been #1, even with the parody aspect it's still the most accurate movie depiction of the Batman imo. I mean, if you really want the real Batman, play the Arkham games or read the comics.
The one thing I didn't understand is how he said in Marvel movie's they don't look at the consequences of actions. Even though that was the entire plot of Captain America Civil War.
@@yourbestfriend5455 yeah that's true but I think he was mainly saying that in general most of the DC films, especially Nolan's Batmans and the Snyder films are a lot darker and "realistic," whereas marvel films have a lot more jokes and don't really take themselves super seriously.
I agree with most everything here but Danny Elfman. How can you not like his stuff?!? Even if you don't like the Batman theme he made, he has made some of the most iconic themes. Spider-Man, mission impossible, men in black, and more
@@robatkinson2125 if you really watch tim burton batman movies it doesn't focus on batman and is not given character depth, fight scene might have been good then but it is boting compared to now. Keaton did great tho, he was one of the few things i liked from those 2 movies
He was way too normal as Bruce Wayne. I mean, can you even imagine that guy deciding to become Batman? Keaton Batman looks goofy when he can’t move his head. He also kills people and wants to kill the Joker because of revenge. Christian Bale was easily better although Kevin Conroy will always be the best.
And many of the voice actors were people who auditioned to play characters in the live action like John Glover (originally was offered to play Joker for 1989 Batman) and Mark Hamill (was offered Riddler in Batman Forever).
i hate the burton movies too, but love the animated series. i would say the production and animators took more inspiration from the comics than the 1989 film as they were mostly all fans of the character since their youth.
@@whynot1548 You must be a fool. BTAS is constantly on the top when it comes to most people's lists. Either you must be another one of those "Animation is for kids" idiots or don't understand what impact BTAS had on not only TV but the Batman mythos itself. BTAS changed Batman, it reinvented terribly written characters like Mr. Freeze, and is the reason why Batman fucking SPEAKS the way that he does. The "Batman Voice" was a fucking product of BTAS, Dude. Fucking millennials these days.
It’s the best. I think the dark knight trilogy had deeper themes and by being live action has certain benefits. Though animated series is the most overall faithful adaptation of the character.
@@grantm6133 I think people misconstrued "being live action" and "being serious". This has been proven the case many times actually. Anime for example has tons of series that completely break that stereotype. Not an Anime fan? BTAS: Robin's Reckoning Part I, when Bruce Wayne approaches a young Dick Grayson who has lost his parents, and has to console him. What deeper themes are people actually talking about? What about "It's Never Too Late"? Two mob bosses at war with one another, one has to come to grips with the damage he's done not only to his city but his own family, Batman finds a way to bring him back from the edge. For fucks sake, the drugs he peddled got his own son addicted, and is shown to be in rehab. What's more "DEEP" than that? Not DEEP enough for you? How about "Appointment in Crime Alley"? It's revealed that Batman visits Crime Alley every year on the anniversary of his parent's death. Meanwhile a business man plans to destroy crime alley to pave over it with new Condos. In one scene a woman's house in broken into as men try to get her out of the house, he crying daughter runs out into the street as Batman arrives. Do I honestly HAVE to keep going? Both mediums have their merits but one isn't topic related nor tonal. With the right people, an animated film can be as dark, brooding, gritty, or as emotional as a Live Action film can be. It's all in the eyes of the beholder, in Japan, Anime is taken incredibly seriously and regularly takes the spotlight over live action films, there is no bias there. So what's the issue? It's called "disassociation", some people can't associate animated entertainment with live action entertainment. That's why some say "Live Action is always better", it's because in their minds, they don't associate something that is animated with something that is real, they can't take it seriously, because they can't comprehend what is happening. "This isn't real enough, ergo the acting isn't real, so I can't empathize."
I still watch The Dark Knight about once a month. It’s my favorite movie of all time and arguably one of the greatest films ever made. People always say they don’t love Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne, but to me, he’s the only person that’s ever played Batman that was a perfect Batman AND Bruce Wayne. Usually we get someone that’s good at one or the other.
Jack Nicholson as the Joker was a great casting choice. He's a natural when it comes to sinister & creepy. "You ever dance with the Devil in the pale moonlight?" "I just like the sound of it." Keaton did a great job as Batman also.
@@Mythos1981 Same here, I was 5 when I saw it on VHS and I would watch it over and over and over again. I remember being scared of the joker the first few times too, that's how good Jack was...or maybe I was just a wimp lol
@@Ervinabrahamian different times and let's also not forget that it was a VERY low budget movie....That being said i still love the batmobile and still recall the days playing that game on my Amiga 500 :)
Batman: Mask of the Phantasm is the greatest theatrically released BATMAN movie of all time. The Dark Knight is a great movie, but it’s just an action movie featuring Batman and none of the larger than life world that is Gotham City and it’s inhabitants. Batman the animated series is the closest thing we have ever gotten to the true Batman in the comic books. It’s a crime that it’s not on the list.
@@Dinguskhan5003worst Batman movie? Ben afleck had the most bad ass Batman fight scene, give me fight scene that beats his fight scene live action of course
There's something so wholesome about taking a bit of time away from the crazy world we live in and looking at heroes who can stop this evil with just a mask and a few gadgets. Why can't more billionaires be like Bruce Wayne?
More? Name one... Just one! I mean Bruce Wayne is a fictional character. If you want more, than there must be some to start with. So name one Billionaire running around in disguise at night stopping crime....
@@secretsix43 which makes that line he s Peter in homecoming more funny. About if you're nothing without your suit, you should have it or something like that.
Wish the animated series made it higher on the list. Kevin Conroy as Batman is the iconic representation of the tortured split character of Bruce Wayne. RIP Kevin Conroy
Except for the ridiculous back and forth script - HK -USA - HK - USA... and also every scene with cops is them being corrupt and kidnaping / murdering the people they're employed to protect - it's a parody of itself. Also, let's be honest Heath Ledger did a decent job as Joker, but he only won the Oscar because he died. Nowhere near the 50 best movies of all-time - Ben Hur, Shawshank, Schindler's List, Godfather, Gone With the Wind...
@@sakshamrao6581 Don't get me wrong, it was good. But it seems to have taken on this mythic level of greatness mainly because of his death, and he won an Oscar because Hollywood wants to reward him and this is the only chance left. It was good but there are so many better acting performances out there; well at least he was better than Bane.
This scene is literally linked with every detail seen in the movie during 2 hours. It links every aspects of the movie into just one moment. It is very poetic I think. It shows that Batman is still hurt by his parents' deaths and he doesn't want Clark Kent to become like him. He remembers why he first wanted to become a superhero when he heard the word "save". He could have simply said "save my mom", but the fact that he says "Martha" almost makes Batman a member of his family. I'm not done, I could write a whole book about how much this scene makes sense. I find it crazy that still some people rank this as the "stupid aspect" of the film.
@@Batneen Exactly, the whole movie, Bruce has been trying to kill this "alien". When he says "save martha" it makes Clark human. He is no longer the alien everyone is trying to kill.
@@BatneenWell…it is stupid. The problem is that the vernacular doesn’t make sense. He wouldn’t say Martha because Batman doesn’t know his mom’s name or who he is talking about. If Superman was trying to recruit Batman all along, the entire fight scene makes no sense. Superman shouldn’t be punching or throwing Batman, he should pin him down and explain the situation. It was just a dumb shoehorned in way to end the fight with them being friends.
About the “Martha” scene, I think that when Superman said “Martha”, it reminded Bruce that that was the last word his father said before he died. Throughout the movie, Alfred kept warning Bruce about going too far in his fight against criminals and about how Superman isn’t their enemy. So hearing “Martha” from Superman, he now finds himself in the position of potentially becoming the kind of person that took his parents lives, and becoming the murderer that created Batman in the first place. That’s what stopped him. The music being played in this scene is also the same as the scene in which his parents died, so I think that’s the reasoning behind the scene.
Oh, Ben. Don't like the Elfman score? That's THE Batman score. His music went to the animated series as well, which I would put as the #1 Batman representation, followed immediately by the Justice League animated series (they're the same character, but obviously solo vs. team). That is the true Batman, and the true Batman music.
@@crobeastness Never said there was anything wrong with them. The Elfman score is just better, in my opinion. The music is certainly elevated by the quality of the rest of the representation as well. If Zimmer or Giacchino scored the animated series, I'd probably like his the best. Not that Elfman scored the series, but the music was based on his motifs and themes, and fits Batman so dang well. Also, Kevin Conroy is Batman. Mark Hamill is the Joker. I can't see anyone replacing them in my mind. When I read comics, I hear their voices - not West or Bale or Affleck or Keaton, nor Nicholson or Ledger or Phoenix or Leto. Hopefully I'm wrong, and new definitive versions of the characters will exist, but I don't think they will.
@@hinney827 yes, I agree. Kevin Conroy is batman and mark hamill is joker. Except for old husky batman which is Peter Weller for me. Michael Emerson is also a really good joker in TDK returns. I'm not a fan of joker that much but hamill, Emerson and phoenix I really love. Ledger is cool too but overrated. People saying it's the best acting performance of all time need to cool off a bit.
I love BvS!! The Martha scene is my favorite part of the movie. What people failed to understand about that scene is it is at that very moment that Batman realized he’s become the very monster he fought against his whole career. Then he realized an alien was more human he was.
Yeah but think about that scene again, why would Superman be calling his mom by her first name when he’s about to die? All so their can be forced emotion
@@Dinguskhan5003 it's not possible tho. Imagine making a powerful Alien that can shatter the reality itself with a single punch fight a man without any plot holes
God I'm so glad that you gave Robert Patterson props. He really is an underrated actor. People keep saying that he's a bad Batman because of the Twilight series. He has played much better roles than that. If people could just forget about Twilight, they would see that Patterson is a phenomenal actor, and very versatile in acting styles and character portrayals. I haven't seen the new Batman, but I am very excited to watch it.
At 6’ 4”, with very broad shoulders, a square chin and the ability to get very jacked, Ben Affleck is definitely the most physically accurate Batman and, in my opinion, the most menacing / scary.
@@theriddler482 I couldn’t agree more. It’s like he was always Batman and had to tolerate being Bruce Wayne vs in the Nolan films there was the real Bruce, the Bruce acting like a d bag billionaire and then Batman. They all seemed separate from each other where as with Affleck, you could tell he was always Batman, always filled with rage and had to tone it down to be Bruce.
So all that destruction resolved in one movie? What about the other consequences? Don't get it wrong, Marvel is great but DC has nailed its movies in cinematic aspect. DC has taken everything seriously and has great humanity quotes rooted into it's scripts.
There’s also a big difference between the destruction in Man of Steel and Avengers. Superman was directly responsible for throwing Zod through buildings for basically no reason, and basically disregarding civilian casualties to a ridiculous degree. The Avengers movies specifically show them trying to save civilians.
@@dranomohak17 Clearly you haven’t seen peace maker, birds of prey, Wonder Woman 1984, aquaman, shzaam, or the new suicide squad. All of which are very similar to the marvel tone.
Civil War is criminals committing more crimes and hurting their friends. The only dude who can stop it all and talk everyone down being so emotionally tortured throughout the film that he gives up on them. Had Cap just subdued Bucky in the apartment and Bucky been questioned by someone like Black Widow, as a favor to Cap? Yeah. No more Civil War. Widow is technically a government agent, not an Avenger, so there's little to no need for suspicion from the Accords members. She would have gotten the job done with enough time. That Sokovian dude would not have known Bucky was apprehended, because there'd be no stupid chase through the streets. There would be no need for an alternative interrogator. And Rhody would still have his legs. The movie is overcomplicated garbage. *EDIT* With a plot that proves the point of the Accords. These idiots are loose cannons.
@@JoseRodriguez-eu5ez wait what? The UN specifically didn't all in the avengers who signed the accords like black widow and sent regular non superpowers troops. They had orders to shoot on sight not to talk to bucky. So he either gets shot and cap just stays out of it or cap intervened and ended up in a chase. Widow is former shield and now an avenger who works for the UN by the time civil war takes place. According to the rules set up in civil war it is consistent with the setting and plot.
Yeah the animated series is really good and I’m not even really a comic book movie fan I remember I found an old VHS tape at a thrift store of an animated Batman movie and I was surprised how gritty it was I lost it and I don’t remember the name I always try to look for it online though but haven’t had any luck.
If you think about it, Ben is the Daily Wire's Batman. If Knowles, Walsh, or even Klavan becomes a Villain and uses their powers for evil, Ben Knows exactly how to counteract them
You aren’t alone with BVS love, Ben. The extended cut of BvS is one of the most legit DC movies ever. ZSJL is a very very very close second. I love those films!
@@Zaloomination Once you see Snyder cut of Justice League you'll see why it's actually pretty good and you want to forget that you ever saw Whedon cut.
I'm not big on Superman, but Ben Affleck is an amazing Batman. My friends think I'm nuts but at least I'm not alone... I watched the scene of batman saving superman mom like a dozen times
@@Zaloomination well once you see it you'll know why instead of being a sheep and taking every idiots word who thinks its cool to hate every single new movie these days MAYBE you should check it out for your self instead of listening to morons. Bvs is overhated cause superman fan boys were pissed about the ending when that's litterly how it happens in the comics.
@@rustyshackleford8370 I never liked superman either I always thought he was a stupid overrated insufferably boring superhero and up until Robert Pattinson Ben Affleck was my fave batman. I can just tell Robert Pattinson will be the best one though.
Batman 89 & 92 were without doubt the BEST Batman movies of all time,.....Burton created a world that these character's fitted into. Nolan tried to fit these characters into this world.
Aquaman and Shazam nailed their respective corners of the DCU. Wonder Woman was a good movie but as a period piece it didn’t feel as much like DC. Birds of Prey was unbearably woke but so was the Harley Quinn series it was based on. The movie did replicate the vibe of new 52/rebirth Harley quite faithfully.
he nails Neal Adam's Batman but Burton could be closer to the Batmite Batman days. I like the Batmite days more actually. I think they should do that era
I like Tim Burton’s Batman exactly for the reason that Ben hates it. It has style; the classic 1930’s attire and the gothic cathedral give it so much character and identity, whereas The Dark Knight takes place in present day Chicago.
A lot of people complain about the Nolan films taking place in Chicago, saying that Gotham should be a stylised, nightmarish city. Batman Begins' slums had this aesthetic. However, I think it's a great choice because the sheer, natural, awe-inspiring scale achieved when viewing the sprawling skyscrapers in real-life Chicago is not a sensation that can be achieved via sets, and the realism just suits the movies' tone perfectly, I think.
@@tornadochaser2457 When sets are at its best, they're way more effective in transporting me into the setting, but when they're at their worst, it can take me out of it. Tim Burton's Batman is a combination of this. The best scene for me is the opening scene, where we see this decripit, dirty city bustling with people with gothic architecture.
I think The Batman had the perfect balance of grounded realism and stylized gothic Gotham. Nolans Gotham was too bland and Burton seemed a little too over the top I guess for some though I still love anything Burton.
Props to Ben for mentioning All-Star Batman and Robin. It’s one of my favorite Batman comics. It’s controversial. But I like how grim and edgy it is. The artwork by Jim Lee is nothing short of exceptional.
@@saqibsheikh2790 To be fair he has been very hit or miss as of late especially with his Justice League score. His Batman theme is iconic and his Spiderman theme is one of the best superhero themes of all time. Hoping for a return to form for Doc Strange.
Batman: Mask of The Phantasm, Batman Beyond: Return of The Joker and Batman: Under The Red Hood are better films than most of the live action Batman films. I am with Ben on Batman V Superman: The Ultimate Cut. Once you see the full rated R version of that film you will love it.
I have mixed feelings about it. I liked Nicholson as the Joker, but I didn’t like Keaton as Batman. When I first saw it I was actually angry that the Joker died & that Vicki Vale slept with Bruce Wayne on the first date, instead of hooking up with the reporter who actually supported her.
@@tcgtpl Nicholson stole the show and I think Keaton was a great Batman. He just had a stiff neck. The Vicki Vale part I didn’t mind, I just didn’t like when Alfred took her to the Batcave. That was bullshit.
The only problem I have with Batman 89 is that joker Batman’s biggest villain dies I always wanted a Batman movie series that had joker as a re-appearing character like the scarecrow in the Nolan movies
I'm not a Ben Shapiro fan and I don't really align with him politically, but I had no idea that he reviews movies and is a Batman fan. Everyone loves Batman, Batman is universal and that I can agree with.
@Joke Reviewer you must be mentally challenged, I just said it wasn't a joke, it's a fact, whatever reviews you do, regardless of what they're on, are a joke
I liked the moment where the woman tried to thank her for saving her from the muggers and Pfeiffer slams her up against the wall for being an easy victim that needs a hero to rescue her. Unfortunantly I feel that ultimately lead to the Force being female crap.
@@skylx0812 Back then, when there was no wokeness, it was perfectly fine. Just swapping Glorfindel for Arwen in Lord of the Rings worked fine. Or when Eowyn killed the Witchking saying she was no man. Now such lines would be massive cringe. Let's not do what the woke do and judge the past by the standards of today. Michelle looked absolutely yummy in that movie. Forever my Catwoman!
Hmmm, a surprising, yet well-thought out list, Ben. And thanks for arguing in favor of the Snyder Cut. There was too much media attention surrounding the fact that this movie even existed that it wasn't given a fair chance to just be a movie. It is vastly under appreciated.
As I kid Batman & Robin was one of my favourite films. To see Batman & Robin in a movie with 2 great villains was epic. I see why it gets a bit of hate now I’m an adult but for me and many other kids it was great and I feel it’s underrated.
@@nuckygulliver9607 Batman Begins is my favorite. I quit Batman Returns halfway in the movie because it was so bad. The 1989 film is a masterpiece but Tim Burton really lost his touch with the second film.
Batfleck's entire character arc in BVS is about him becoming a hero again. He was introduced as a monster, a demon in the shadows. Taking down criminals not to save those trafficked women, but for a lead on Kryptonite so he can destroy Superman. The murder of Robin by The Joker and watching Superman's battle with Zod destroy Metropolis has broken him. He feels powerless against a cruel world he can't control any longer, and that rage has turned a good man cruel. He now kills to defend himself and other people, and brands the most heinous criminals to condemn them. Cold-blooded murder will be his final step. When he hears Superman use (what he thinks is) his dying breath to beg him to save his mother, he finally sees that he has become the villain. It's not about their mothers having the same name. It's about Batman realizing that he is no different than the monster who killed his parents and created him; the expression on his face after realizing superman's mom has the same name as his mom wasn't coincidence, but a sense of realization, In throwing down the spear and saving Super man's mother, he also saves himself. Overall it was actually a very compelling character moment, and I actually liked it (I was 13 when I 1st watched it, now I'm 19 I'm much more critical when it comes to film review) it was just executed WAY too poorly and rushed.
My very first comic book experience ever was the Death of Superman arc with Doomsday, so my biggest issue was how they butchered that whole story. No justice!
1:03 100% disagree with this. The soundtrack alone was the best of all the Batman movies. The actors, the dialogue, the Batmobile and the Batcave were all beautifully designed (unlike Nolan's movies). Batman Forever was BY FAR the most underrated Batman movie of all time.
I can agree with you about most of this list. However I could never put Ben Afleck ahead of Batman the Animated Series. Afleck is only an okay actor who always dreamed of playing a Super Hero. He finally got his wish but not because he is an outstanding actor.
Ben Affleck is the only actor I can think of who has played both Batman and Superman. Well... he played George Reeves playing Superman. Does that count? 🤔
Batman Begins has always been my personal favorite. The others are just as awesome but something about Batman Begins building up story and plot twist makes it a absolute masterpiece to me.
I totally agree. The other two films are fantastic, but Batman Begins just has something about it. The way the story is told is just so damn good and I always thought it had the perfect ending with the music and the scene of Batman and Gordon on the rooftop. "I never said thank you."........."And you'll never have to." Then he flies off into the night. Just an outstanding film.
I love Batman Begins. To see Bruce who was unable to make sense of the world and himself transform to a man who had found himself and something worth fighting for is inspirational. I personally think of that movie when I feel utterly defeated.
Dark knight rises isn’t actually just a critique on the evils of socialism & communism. It also criticized how the excesses of the rich & powerful & their neglect of the citizenry is what gave Bane the fuel needed to stir up mob hate. It’s a critique on extremism in how unchecked capitalism as well as unchecked mob sentiments can lead to anarchy.
Luckily the Batman Forever hate has subsided some. It's not near as bad as people claim. Val Kilmer is a fantastic Bruce Wayne. TLJ is slightly too campy. Carrey works. Schumacher said it was supposed to be a movie form of a comic book and it was that absolutely.
As a fan of The Dark Knight Returns graphic novels I really enjoyed Ben Afflecks Batman, he really looked the part and he gives off that "middle aged bodybuilder" powerhouse look that he has in the book. Batman is like this in the Arkham games as well, its great.
Ben was definitely the most intimidating Batman. The scene where he's hiding in the ceiling waiting to attack was seriously unsettling. He's built like a brick shithouse.
The one thing in Nolan's versions that worked and really stood out for me, was that he gave each Villain their own musical theme, and not just the hero. Scarecrow, Joker, Bane, Ra's Al Ghul etc. Ra's Al Ghul's is hands down the best one. Can't remember if Two-Face had one.
Two-Face did have one. It was Dent's theme from earlier in the film(you can hear it when he's meeting with Gordon in his office), but with a darker twist. Go back and watch the scene with Maroni in his car and it can be heard then. BTW, Catwoman and Talia al-Ghul got their own themes too.
It's the last line that reveals his bias. Ben is a serious guy and he prefers his superhero movies to be serious, which is code for dark and gritty. He even stated that he's onboard with Batman killing people if the system can't keep people locked up. He doesn't like the playfulness of the MCU (which he forgot about Sokovia and the Snap and the consequences of that, as well as Stark's PTSD). So of course he would prefer the grittier versions, no matter how out of character they might be.
Does Ben realize that Tim Burton's Batman is way closer to the comic book Batman than Nolan's is. Also Batman the Animated Series is easily number one.
He never said it wasn’t closer, but they were very cringe movies and so were the acting. Nolan’s take on Batman was supposed to be as realistic as it could be on the real world and more serious
Not sure I agree. Nolan’s Batman is the most grounded I would say, and while Keaton does a great job as Batman, its too stylized, the score is too whimsical for a dark crime fighting vigilante(Danny Elfman is better when he’s making shit like the Simpsons theme) and the performances aren’t the best. Christian Bale is batman. He looks and acts the part, he plans his moves, he trains, he’s got gadgets and he makes mistakes. I know people always bring up his voice, but he has a gruff voice in the comics and he would want to disguise his voice in public anyways. That’s just my opinion, but I definitely think the Dark Knight trilogy is the greatest.
- Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker is the BEST movie I've ever seen. - Mask of the Phantasm has one of my absolute favourite scores. - Will Arnett is EXTRAORDINARY as LEGO Batman.
Dark Knight was AMAZING. I've watched it more times than I care to admit, just noticing more each time and dissecting each scene and their places in the story.
Technically Marvel has acknowledged the consequences of their actions. That's literally what Captain America Civil War was all about. But I see what you're saying. At the end of the day, both DC and Marvel fans have to swallow their pride and accept plot holes like that, because like you said Mr. Shapiro... "Alien with every power"..."billionaire who dresses up to fight criminals".... If we as fans want to pull the thread on that type of logic, we shouldn't be fans at all because It's fucking science fiction
Yet if you removed civil war the plot for the rest of the movies would be the same. Iron man and captain America meet again in avengers endgame but it comes off as a usual spat. Marvel has consequential movies, but they don’t translate that much further into the other movies.
@@thefilmrookie3099 That's not true in the case of Civil War cause the incident of Lagos at the beginning of the movie still effects what happens in The Falcon and the Winter Solider and Wandavision. Heck, the Hydra uprising in Winter Solider has more effects still happening than most of Phase 3 movies. I could name other movies that still plays a big or somewhat still part in the mcu
@@thefilmrookie3099 Also Ben is ignorant to what he says that there films doesn't have consequences showing the 1st Avengers movie. Since almost every movie minus the Guardians, Shang Chi, BP, Eternals and a few others are effected by that movie. Heck, Civil War even happens cause of the effects of that movie due to Avengers mistakes
Adam West's Batman was like Caesar Romero's Joker. They weren't "bad" because of the lack of talent of the actors; they were bad because of the limitations that the Silver Era of comics & television's standards & practices had placed on them, making the series, both TV & comics, more comedic than action.
I dunno if calling them bad is fair. Its a product of its time. Has some charm. Its not trying to be more than it is. Calling it a crap adaptation is fair though
@@ergob3907 Ben is right in his placement of them above the Schumacher Batman films (which actually deserve a spot on the list so low they're unseen), but yeah the cheese of the Silver Era really ruins the attraction of Batman. "Campy?" Yes, but, sadly I would call it bad enough to say it's bad.
I'm happy that the dark Knight Rises was higher on your list. Most people don't like it idk why but it's my 2nd most favorite Batman film. Plus Tom Hardy was badass as Bane
People don't like it because it's absolutely full to the brim of Anti-Marxist themes and the universities have done such a good job indoctrinating people into seeing the world through a Marxist lens they feel uncomfortable when they watch a movie like TDKR that depicts Marxism for what it really is.
@@JadeRunner its not about that, im centre left and i love TDKR, yes the movie has a right wing idealogy which works great, Batman is supposed to be right wing, not far right but just right, he liked order and not being taxed, a lot think that few people love it, actually no, its critically acclaimed and loved just not as much as TDK, TDKR suffered from the greateness of TDK, some people expected to be TDK level, but still the majority i know loves it, my favorite of the trilogy of course is Batman Begins
It has several plot holes that I'd normally excuse, but the Nolan trilogy was built on trying to be as realistic as possible. It is okay for batman to suddenly return out of no where in a comic book, but not in this nolan universe that has drawn clear lines on realism.
@@JadeRunner I mean, each to their own and all that, but that's definitely not why "people" in general had issues with the movie lol. It's just not as tightly written as the first two (for the record, I still think it's a damn good movie in spite of that)
I agree with your interpretation of BVS. However if you watch the extended cut that adds almost 30 minutes to the movie makes it INFINITELY more watchable. It makes so much more sense when those 30 minutes are added on
i agree with both you and Shapiro on this one, i enjoyed BvSEC and JLSC. I think Affleck (and Bale) did a great Job as both Bats and Wayne. I like Keaton as Batman but not so much as Wayne. I think Kilmer did great as Wayne but not so much as Bats. I would have loved to see them let Snyder do 1 more movie, I think it was rumored to be Final Crisis.
@@ShadowCthulhu i loved ZSJL very much. top 10 superhero/comic book movie of all time. but i would not be looking forward to another one. i didnt like that epilogue at all. the post apocalyptical stuff with joker was very cringe. it looked like a mix of final crisis and injustice. but i just wasnt feeling it. im over joker too. i would like a 100 year ban on joker in everything please.
That's not a relevant comment to anything Shapiro said about BvS. Don't crow bar irrelevant things into conversations just to because you want to contribute.
@@ajb7786 hrs raising awareness to the ultimate edition. A lot of people still don't even know it exists and it is significantly better than the theatrical cut.
@@ajb7786 I had no idea that all replies to thoughts had to be a direct response to the statement and could not be a thought that was added on in a more general sense complimentary of the topic at large. It’s really great that we have communications expertise like yourself to critique such things. I’m sure it pays wel
You are not alone with Batman vs Superman, I love that movie & I agree that Ben Affleck Batman is wildly underrated. The only thing I wish is that they went more into the story line & gave it more depth, & also being a Martial Artist & seeing the Frank Miller fight between them I wish they made the fight more exciting. Best scene by far is Batman going through the warehouse & going through the criminals like a hot knife through butter!
According to Ben: 12. Batman and Robin 11. Batman Forever 10. Batman TV series (Adam West) 9. Batman Returns 8. The Lego Batman Movie 7. Batman (1989) 6. Batman Animated series 5. Zack Snyder's Justice League 4. Zack Snyder's Batman v. Superman 3. Batman Begins 2. The Dark Knight Rises 1. The Dark Knight
Michael Keaton, because despite the fact that DC fans didn’t want a comedic-actor to play Batman; he ended up being the only version that everyone took seriously the most to the point where Keaton’s Batman has the least amount of memes.
