I don’t think Jews are actually white though. White descends from Europe, Jews don’t descend from Europe. His skin is white which is why you call him white but he’s not actually white though.
@@Kevin-xk3meashkenazi Jewish people are mostly ethnically European, descendant from cultural Jewish populations that immigrated into central/Eastern Europe around 900 AD. They have trace middle eastern dna, but the majority of ashkenazi Jewish people are almost entirely European in terms of their ethnic makeup. Ben is Ashkenazi, so odds are he is pretty much just as European as any non-Jewish white person
Jews are white when it comes to hiding in a larger demographic to avoid being slapped down for 10000% nepotism-induced overrepressention in colleges but non-white when playing the victim
1:17:42 Ben said "like a bro my friend". He accidentally correctly gendered a trans man, unprovoked, and that's bodying me😂
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We can always see a plastic gun as a gun. Upon further inspection they are definitely not the same though. The chair thing was an impression of a bro, which is what Ben pointed out correctly. He just didn't know he was carrying a plastic gun, which is obvious upon further inspection 😂
"Further inspection" meaning once the gun explicitly tells you it's plastic. Meanwhile Ben's smaller, weaker frame & higher voice is somehow more "manly" than this guy
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@@tjppercussion I'm not at all against the person of the chair trying to create an illusion (when you see the general frame you can tell). But, in the end it doesn't matter, it is not a dude. And if you want to see Shapiro as a lady, that is your prerogative. We advocate precisely that we name things according to our judgement. So, keep it up if that is you think
Thank you for accepting that the argumentative basis of the Democrats is emotional and not rational, it amazes me how they believe that behaving as the trans boy did is normal when it denotes a mental imbalance, hahaha Ben Shapiro cooked here and seeing Hasan no endure that I love it
I don't want to hear about Trump, or your race or gender, or "equity", or Alphabet people. What i do want to hear about is affordable healthcare, safe borders, more police funding, harsher prison sentences for violent crime, federal jobs guarantee, raising taxes on large corporations and breaking up monopolies in tech and pharma. Once I start hearing about that maybe I'll consider voting for you. If however you make it about left cultural issues, I will vote against you.
@@IDF692are you getting that from the opposition either? Nobody is forcing you to vote but if your option is between people who wont enact policies to help you, and people who wont enact policies to help you (blue edition) then why bother voting at all?
I'm willing to die on this hill Ben Shapiros audience thinks he's smart because he sounds nerdy. Same reason they think Elon Musk is a genius same reason they think Jordan Peterson is a genius
thats because they are geniuses and successfull. dont you want to be as succesful as elon musk whos randomly giving away millions? you can dislike sombebody but you can also respect their success. if you just dislike somebody and ignore their success then you are the problem
Is this jealousy? How stupid one can be to dismiss a sucessful individuals thoughts? Do you think this hasan would last in any debate? Why do people think elon, Peterson, Shapiro, larry elder etc are smart? Is it the way they speak and convey the information that has facts? Do you think hasan talks the same as them or he just gets emotional like a woman with every two words thats has profanity?
^damn you guys hawk tua on that thang, just cause you agree with an opinion doesn’t mean its correct, just like someone saying something you agree with doesn’t make them smart. Also just cause someone has a lot of money doesn’t mean you need to respect them thats a total peasant mentality, you believe meritocracy is the cause for elons wealth, its not. if you used your perception it would be obvious he is basically an inept man child that makes every wrong decision.
25:17 Ben CAN control his voice. He actively code switches to a nasally nerd voice because people think he's smarter when using it in i conjunction with his fast talking and steamroll.
@@liamlemon-jy9cb couldn't possibly be because it's more fun to feel like you're watching it with your friends? Lol You still end up hearing opposing opinions this way ya knob
I’m the short chatter that debated Ben at 1:34:47 ! I appriciate all the love from that. It makes you feel more confident in both my performance and my content :)
I would love to know why the 25 Kamala Supporter v Conservative video is a debate with one of the most popular and experienced debaters on the right in Ben Shapiro while the 25 Trump Supporter v Liberal video is a random liberal teenager. 💀💀
Because people on the left aren't as open to debate their ideas. The right welcomes it, so it's easier to find a well known person on the right to do it.
@@davidschmidt2081 Nah the reason is that conservative ideas are so weak any rando can hold his own against an infinite number of them. The "intellectual dark web" geniuses can't hold their own against one rando. If you put Ben Shapiro against even a moderately intelligent intellectual, he'd probably cry, so they don't dare do that. I would debate anyone conservative wonderkind at any time from bed while half-asleep. In an open debate they'd lose easily because there are zero good conservative ideas and all are easily disproved with 5 seconds of mediocre research. That's why the right has basically never won a debate against the left except by talking faster or gotcha fallacies. That's why the right constantly run from debate, like Stephen Crowder hid from Sam Seder for a decade.
In order to make it seem like there is a middle ground between the left and the right and that they "both have solid points" you need to have that contradiction. Imagine a debate with sam seder vs 25 average conservatives or a normal conservative college kid vs 25 leftist youtubers.
Ben thought it was going to be easy to dog walk these guys. But he forgets that his usual opponents are college freshmen who are on a full course load, hungover, overwhelmed by the world and on the verge of crying at any given time anyway.
Those guys are acting like ill-mannered 5 year olds, making faces and all, we need people who actually behave like grown ups, if anything, those guys are a disservice because their poor attitude eclipses very valid points
Uh yeah that’s what these people were too you absolute imbecile. How do you explain the trans man or girl or whatever. Is that not overwhelmed by the world? 😂
How can you listen to a Jew hating terrorist supporter grifter for that time also? Understand this maybe you will get it if you are a smart person like me but still you’re inferior and I’m superior
The beeping versus cutting is so much better! This is the first video of yours I've watched in a week or two after having been watching the actual VoDs and finding that's too much depressing content, and this is significantly more tolerable to watch. Thanks again for segmenting up and archiving the streams to avoid getting _too_ brain broken!
Thank you for accepting that the argumentative basis of the Democrats is emotional and not rational, it amazes me how they believe that behaving as the trans boy did is normal when it denotes a mental imbalance, hahaha Ben Shapiro cooked here and seeing Hasan no endure that I love it
@@carbon1203 you couldn't be farther away from the truth, anyways pointing out that the women is on a mental breakdown is considered rude? Women cry, men debate.
Thank you for accepting that the argumentative basis of the Democrats is emotional and not rational, it amazes me how they believe that behaving as the trans boy did is normal when it denotes a mental imbalance, hahaha Ben Shapiro cooked here and seeing Hasan no endure that I love it
They should have let him cook but Jubilee is clearly a bought and paid for conservative mouthpiece at this point. They always find a group of famous conservative commentators to "debate" random liberal teens/young adults thus stacking the deck against anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan.
@@fierybl4de400 why should he waste time taking ben seriously on a no-brainer question? i love that this man spent his time to call out ben's hypocrisy, ben doesn't care about abortion, he cares about a check.
@@fuzzyguyenjoyer Because he went there for a debate, silencing the other side is just wrong man, I don't even like Ben Shapiro I think he's a hypocrite, but just doing a bunch of Ad Hominem and Stacking the Deck is not the way you should share discourse with people. He could've tried to properly beat Ben in an actual debate instead of just ranting on, and if he didn't, he would've at least got his points across and could've just moved on.
That was so good. Ben was disarmed by having his tactics called out to his face. It's never been done before, and I always wondered why. It was glorious. He just last there looking so dumb. It was hilarious. I wish they woulda just let it keep going. The tension was amazing. Ben showed himself as the snobby weasel that he is. Loved every minute of it.
It's surprising how many people think that he was owned, and many other don't think so. We all so the same video and we interpret his interaction with the transman so differently. I am one of the that doesn't think that he was embarassed at all, and that he was Just victim of a rant
Thank you as a woman who has had a still born baby girl that died in a way that if I was in America and it was now I would be dead. It's messed up how many more women are passing away so the orange man can try to stay out of prison.
@@davidschmidt2081 basically, yes. There are clinics and hospitals afraid of getting thrown in prison (or killed by fanatics) over this. Some are fleeing states with the draconian laws. It's happening right now, dude. Where have you been? Women have already died because of this. Pregnancy is actually nowhere near as safe or simple as you think. My high school Spanish teacher actually miscarried twice. It's possible she'd have been dead before I graduated if it was 25 years later.
@@davidschmidt2081 I had a placental abruption, I was bleeding into my womb and I was not in labour. I almost died without people second guessing. I even had adrenaline to the heart eight bags of hemoglobin and eight plasma, one of them was frozen and the hospital never had the equipment to thaw it out so my mom and partner ag the time was thawing the bags out under their arms. The hospital never had a high dependency ward and the was scared to transfer me to the main hospital so not long after the hospital was closed and the extended the main hospital to have faster access to the main hospital facilities.
Jubilee gets the biggest grifters who have been well versed on talking points from the right and then when it’s time to get someone on the “left” it’s “maybe let’s just get that kid from tik tak”
“Ah Mr. Shapiro if you only knew how ridiculous that statement is you wouldn’t have said it.” Andrew Neil summed up Shapiro’s entire career with that statement.
I don't want to hear about Trump, or your race or gender, or "equity", or Alphabet people. What i do want to hear about is affordable healthcare, safe borders, more police funding, harsher prison sentences for violent crime, federal jobs guarantee, raising taxes on large corporations and breaking up monopolies in tech and pharma. Once I start hearing about that maybe I'll consider voting for you. If however you make it about left cultural issues, I will vote against you.
@@IDF692Very coherent set of beliefs you got there and clearly you’re very concerned about economics issues as you state at the end that “cultural” issues determine how you vote. Let me guess you like Sager Enjeti’s commentary?
I don’t know at the rate that Ben talks I suspect he’s taking a library of babel approach to. If he says every combination or words possible he must eventually present a good argument. Uncountable ridiculous statements are just a cost he has accepted
Hasan's rant against Indigenous land acknowledgement was just reactionary. We do that in Australia all the time, and conservatives seem to hate that because they don't even want to acknowledge that is it Indigenous land and the history of colonial atrocities against indigenous people. They also support the British monarchy. So acknowledgment is very basic but it still gets backlash from the right, who also want to change indigenous names of places to English names. Some aspects of colonialism are still continuing, and this is what's fighting back against them.
Yeah, in Canada it’s pretty much the same so I definitely agree with you . While I can understand what Hasan means by saying that it doesn’t make things right. I think urging acknowledgements is important in not washing over our past and in demonstrating how legitimate indigenous hardship is. It’s crazy how I’ll encounter people who deny what happened or is simply super misinformed. So honestly, anything that’ll get those people thinking helps.
Yeah, I think Hasan was just trying to say that land acknowledgment is the bare minimum, and we need to do more than just preformative gestures just to make ourselves feel better - which is true. But it also doesn't hurt to do them, and I think it's a good reminder that we are all indeed on stolen land. Yes, it's the bare minimum and we need to do more for indigenous communities - but like you said - when the opposition doesn't even want to ADMIT the land is stolen, it is important to make sure those acknowledgments still happen.
Always Was, Always Will Be ❤💛🖤 I tried to think about his argument in context. Australian Aboriginal people are the longest living culture in the world. Their genocide is still recent, if not still ongoing. Aboriginal land rights in Australia have a long long history now - and action is trying to be put through parliament but blocked or politically devalued by conservatives. So I hate the symbolism without action too, but I still think it’s been an important step toward justice for Aboriginal Australians so it’s very nuanced. Also, was it Ernie Dingo that started the tradition of Welcome/Acknowledgement of country back in the 70s or something? I heard that somewhere I think. If so, did it exist anywhere else until then? I wonder if the whole world has been affected by Ernie Dingo. 😂
The difference between "North America" vs. "Australia" is that Aboriginal sovereign nations in "Australia" always had a law of acknowledgment pre-colonisation, often accompanied by a traditional welcome ceremony when visiting each others sovereign tribal lands. To not acknowledge whose land you are on would, and still does, constitute an offence and breach in sovereignty making things like movement, trade, intermarriage, etc very difficult to say the least. And of course, European settlers had no intention of honouring those laws. In the 80s and 90s there was a push to have these acknowledgments used in formal organisational and governmental settings (to mixed results, as many Aboriginal people would attest). These can often be rote and performative when done by white people, though is still widely encouraged if actually done with consideration for First Nations sovereignty. From the broad and brief discussions I've had with First Nations in Turtle Island, it sounds like formal acknowledgments did not have a strong cultural antecedent there and have been a fairly modern construct, and as such is not as widely embraced by First Nations people. If I had to guess, I think it's quite possible the move towards land acknowledgments within North America/Turtle Island were inspired by the formalised land acknowledgments from First Nations in "Australia".
@@This_RuthIsOnFire He is credited with introducing the use of land acknowledgments in formal organisational and eventually governmental settings. But he did not invent the concept of acknowledging the sovereign territory of other nations which was always an essential part of tribal law and part of the reason why there was such relative peace between tribal nations pre-colonisation.
And all the transphobes can do is insist he was being emotional without addressing a single thing he said. Almost as if these chuds have nothing but bigotry as a political position.
Imagine a debate with sam seder vs 25 average conservatives or a normal conservative college kid vs 25 leftist youtubers. In order to make it seem like there is a middle ground between the left and the right and that they "both have solid points" you need to have the "weakest" portion of the left against the strongest portion of the right
It's funny hearing Americans calling an acknowledgement of country a rad-lib hyper-woke thing to do, whereas here in Australia it's just the thing you do at any event of even minor significance. Sure, it's not as good as Treaty, but at least I'm very aware that I live on the lands of the Gadigal people of the Eora nation, in this place we now call Sydney!
The comments coping and thinking that Ben did well in the debate on the Jubilee video are delusional The goal of a debate is to win over your opponent, to get them to understand and conceded to your argument through various forms of reasoning and logic. So, in this case, it wasn't that BS didn't get beat by any of his opponents, it's that ben wasn't able to win over a single opponent through his form of reasoning and logic. That makes out to come out to 0 to 25 for ben, and 0 to 1 for each individual opponent. Except BS did concede to a few of his opponents points or allow them to go uncontested forfeiting the point. Ben wasn't able to package a single argument in a way that sounded reasonable to any of these individuals.
It varies from person to person. A lot of the older natives I know prefer and use Indian, the younger think Indian is offensive and native or indigenous is preferred.
It’s also very America centric. I’m Indigenous in Canada and pretty much the only people who still use Indian within our communities are like 70+ years old. We use Native, First Nations, or the nation name. or Indigenous to also include Métis, Inuit and mixed people.
@thedeathofreason It's similar to the Mascot controversy. A lot of us are more worried about eating and having water to drink. Plus with Indian it's written into law. The BIA etc. so it became the norm for our grandparents
@@RickPatNB "Omg, I finally have my own pet hog! Look at it squealing its little heart out, isn’t it precious? Please, can we keep it? I’ll feed it all the little facts it can’t digest and maybe even teach it a trick or two. It’s so cute when it thinks it’s saying something clever. Pleeeease, mom, I promise I’ll take care of it! 🥺"
@@RickPatNBAre you seriously calling the trans man a she? Clown. He's probably manlier than you. Never in a thousand years anyone would call him a she if he didn't tell them he was trans. You're being unpractical just for the sake of being an asshole.
like nobody is saying he isn’t jewish, but that’s an ethnicity not a race. he’s a WHITE jew just like there can be black jews, brown jews, etc. he’s still a white man with jewish ethnicity and idk why he’s trying to argue that
Im a dem soc and I'm an army veteran. Im not ashamed and idgaf about opinion. But i also know people fein outrage and fake care. People who have had their countries annihilated by America have a right to feel that rage.
@1:29:40. I dosed off a few minutes after starting the video... That speech woke me up. Let that guy cook! Jubilee are some b****** for bailing Ben out like that. Jubilee always does that. Coddling conservatives.
the whole point of jubilee is normalizing fascism. also... whats up with calling fascists conservatives? the only thing they conserve is their virginity.
This is the problem with Kants categorical imperative. Every time Ben says "ought", he is framing it the same way Kant framed his arguement of "morality". Ultimately, Kant arrived on the idea that good morals equals a simple question. "What ought you to do in any situation to be a good person". I think his arguement basically was "people know right from wrong pretty instinctively" The issue is- if your a person who is sincearly fucked in the head- you can use "ought" based framing like Ben does, and convince yourself that you are morally correct every time.
@@dl2839 it doesn't matter what he means. He supports Evangelicals who want exactly that. Handing a couple out at school is NOT encouragement to have sex. Kids wanna do that whether or not you like it. And when I was in high school, that didn't happen, and some kids bought their own. One of my friends even asked to "borrow" one.
You go to Harvard and say "I went to university in Cambridge." I fucking thought he was saying he studied in the UK. It's like saying "I went to university in Harvard. Harvard, China."
The comment sections between this and the original upload are night and day. Jubilee and RU-vid really do promote more conservative takes than they used to.
One thing that I feel we have to mention is while the apartheid is over in South Africa, white people still own significantly more land than the black people there. The black population still is a lot in poverty over there. While I do believe there should be a one state where both Israelis and Palestinians can live, there is still a possibility of Israelis keeping so much of what they currently do in the West Bank.
We live in a time where knowledge is key to success. That being said. Doesn't it make sence that white people are more successful (in your view) than black people seeing as more than double the number of white people that go to school finish when compared to black people? We also have a black government. You can't blame apartheid for old problems anymore. Why are they not helping you to get a better education? Why do you keep voting for them when they continue to make empty promises? Sorry for lashing out. This semi rant isn't directed at you btw. Its just at people who keep blaming apartheid for all the bad that is currently happening to black people on apartheid even though that was 25 years ago.
@@stianfourie4469 I read it. Ur just incomprehensibly stupid. I could correct ur nonsense but it’s pointless to pour into a full vessel, even if that vessel is full of bs🙌
7:59 I worked at a camp that was on a Native American reservation. It’s till just one tribe and one reservation in one area, but they would get upset when they heard people scold about using “Indian,” or Native American. Not that you had to call them either, but that pretending to care what they’re called without volunteering or voting just means you’re being a prick for sport
I couldn’t watch it. I also found conversation unproductive. I find Shapiro’s voice and cadence insufferable. I’m never impressed with his argument defense.
if you're not a medical professional and/or their patient, then you should have no power over whether or not someone can/cannot get an abortion. Somebody else's moral ideologies should have no bearing on your medical path and doctor. Its frustrating that he wasn't asked "are you a medical professional?" first n foremost lol
@@cc24681 Are you saying an unborn fetus isn't living. Also I always find it funny when you try to refer to a human baby as a fetus. A fetus describes the fetal stage of human development, just like the infant stage describes that stage of human development, adolescence stage of development, adult stage, and late adulthood for the elderly. All those are nothing more than the stages of human life, so when you try to just say Fetus, you are still describing a human at the fetal stage not a entirely different kind of lifeform. Science is fun, maybe you should educate yourself on it.
She went on a temper tantrum, because she probably was on his period. She is as much of a man as Dylan Mulvaney is a woman. She didn't allow Ben to get a word in. Ben won the debate without even talking.
@@strangerinastrangeland3613 Desperate? You are the one thinking you can win a debate by shouting over someone. It was an angry rant driven by nothing but emotion, not a debate. 🤡
@@chickienuggems2 Called out and destroyed? By what exactly? Emotion? Keep telling yourself someone can change to whatever gender depending how they feel. You need some help kid.
Ben Shabibo doesn’t know his own politics and he’s ok with Israel and hates DEI because he’s White and he doesn’t want to acknowledge that because it would mean acknowledging that his life is one of privilege. Can’t have that 😂
I don't want to hear about Trump, or your race or gender, or "equity", or Alphabet people. What i do want to hear about is affordable healthcare, safe borders, more police funding, harsher prison sentences for violent crime, federal jobs guarantee, raising taxes on large corporations and breaking up monopolies in tech and pharma. Once I start hearing about that maybe I'll consider voting for you. If however you make it about left cultural issues, I will vote against you.
ngl i really joined the bit around land acknowledgements & native terminology so i'll throw in my 2 cents as an ojibway / anishinaabe / nakawe guy from canada for anyone who wants to listen !! land acknowlegements = can be done in good faith or ill-intention. i live on coast salish land so if i'm organzing an ojibway-related event i'll start with a land acknowledgement, ideally from a coast salish person but it's not required. i do it because 1) i care about the coast salish peoples and 2) while we're both native, this is not my ancestral land and i want to bring attention to coast salish peoples (incl. their culture & on-going experience with canadian colonialism) native vs first nations vs indigenous vs etc = i'm from tootinaowaziibeeng (treaty 4 territory/manitoba) which is an anishinaabe/ojibway nation, specifically nakawe (aka western ojibway). i'm fine with the colonial/english names of saulteaux, first nations, & indigenous and when speaking to american friends, i prefer terms like turtle islander, native (not native american!), or indigenous. i don't refer to myself as native american but i'm not offended by it since i know native american & alaskan native are the main terms used by americans, i just feel weird about calling myself "american" in anyway since us nakawe people were here first and america (+ canada) is an occupying european settler-colonial state.
There’s a lot I like about these jubilee videos but the flag system truly just is not working how it’s supposed to. Someone can be cooking but everyone puts the flag up still because they want a turn. It’s kinda annoying.
For the abortion thing. If you want to debate about the morality of abortion, talk to your religious leader before do it or not. Mortality argument = morality solutions. Legal argument = legal solutions. That's it.
@@jccouture13 Yes it is. Even if YOU are not religious, your parents might be. That is your religious leader. If neither of you are then the topic is moot, because morality is inherently self determinant. Regrdless the option should be available without restriction.
@@SpookyAri You're kinda missing the point here: If I'm not religious, I don't HAVE a religious leader. I wouldn't care what my parents think if the option is "Raise a child I don't want" or "Live my life the way I want to." If their opinion is anything other than the second one, they are bad people.
On abortion, I would ask Shapiro what decision he would make when his wife is admitted at the 39th week. She's unconscious and the doctor gives him two options. Save his wife or save the child.
Hasan's rant against Indigenous land acknowledgement was just reactionary. We do that in Australia all the time, and conservatives seem to hate that because they don't even want to acknowledge that is it Indigenous land and the history of colonial atrocities against indigenous people. They also support the British monarchy. So acknowledgment is very basic but it still gets backlash from the right, who also want to change indigenous names of places to English names. Some aspects of colonialism are still continuing, and this is what's fighting back against them.
@@masterofalltrades_ The older generation refer to themselves as indian & even when we tell them not to, they get pretty upset. Younger natives will use it amongst ourselves sometimes as a joke or in a comedic way but most of us will never say it in front of a non-native or allow non-natives to call us indians. As for why the elders want to be referred to as Indian from what they’ve told me is that they’ve always identified as being Indian because that’s what they were always called by not only non-natives but also within native circles. So some of them get pretty offended & see it as being “stripped” of their identity.
@@miacalles9914Zizek had that one anecdote where he was told by a native who prefers being called indian because it was a reminder of white man's idiocy of thinking they had found india
I survived an abortion and i survived my dad having a vasectomy. If these people are really all that relegious than they should realize "god can find a way"
Lowkey, I think nobody in this video made actual solid points (Ben included.) Seems like the “debate” went off topic majority of the times and was very scattered. Most also lacked sequence thinking when it came to debating as well. One more thing, Ben contradicted himself multiple times I noticed. Yeah, I watched the entirety of this “debate” just cause I was curious, and it was def time I wish I got back. My advice to Jubilee: have smarter people on the show, and that goes for both sides.
I'm native, Land acknowledgement should be more of a statement you declare before engaging First Nation or their issues. It's not meant as a reparation, that would be idiotic. But it's a important part or reconciliation, some sort of diplomatic mark of respect. In the context of the video I don't see the need for it.
tbh idk about abortion not involving the fetus dying but there is a scientific definition of abortion which is colloquially referred to as a miscarriage. harvard did have a definition of abortion that said simply “ending the condition of being pregnant” or smthn like that. but to an extent i guess exactly what an abortion is depends on the context of the conversation. which is why it’s a very nuanced subject in general, one where there shouldn’t be a law against it
I work in a space where there are a LOT of land acknowledgements and I feel the exact same way. Words with literally nothing behind them- it feels like it is done to comfort liberal consciences without any further inconvenience.
No, the rant against Indigenous land acknowledgement was just reactionary. We do that in Australia all the time, and conservatives seem to hate that because they don't even want to acknowledge that is it Indigenous land and the history of colonial atrocities against indigenous people. They also support the British monarchy. So acknowledgment is very basic but it still gets backlash from the right, who also want to change indigenous names of places to English names. Some aspects of colonialism are still continuing, and this is what's fighting back against them.
