Benchmade Puukko 3V vs Lionsteel B40 Sleipner Edge Retention 

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guncotton 1 interesting I have some 3V from BM and I thought it was soft

guncotton 1 the 200 is $125-$146 where else can you find a 3v knife for less that $150?

Cold Steel Master Hunter in 3V or a number of other models they have in 3V - The Benchmade has a bad heat treat and my view is that putting the Benchmade name and the logo 3V on a knife that sux does not make the knife sux any less or worth any more its just crap

just like to add that i would prefer the Benchmade to have a well heat treated 1095 blade than way sub par 3V

guncotton 1 yeah cold steel seems to do a good heat treat on pretty much any steel they use

Thats absurd.... 3v has lots of toughness compared to most knife steels at 60hrc ..... do they think they are making swords?

VicariousReality7 pocket swords apparently lol

I cut some wood . Made a fire. Feather sticks no batoning just simple stuff. Dulled the blade all to hell. I like benchmade but the puuko is way to soft.

How do you like it bro. I've had my Benchmade pukko as an edc work knife for a few months now and I love it

Weird how they keep doing that to 3V

@@monkeyfaceII The important thing is they can put "3V" in big letters in all their ads and charge twice as much for it. Once the've got the money their job is done.

How is Cold Steel’s 3V?

@@LuisGonzalez-gl4wc Most makers heat treat 3V to 58-60 RC, Bark River comes to mind. CS is probably the same. That's fine for most purposes, and what I'd want for a big chopper. But for a smaller blade like a puukko, 62-63 RC would be my preference, although I'd almost certainly have to go the custom route.

@@bobaloo2012 The puuko is extremely cheap for 3V I don't know what you're on about

What makes 3v special is not the edge retention it’s the toughness.

@@kroodle8 let me know how it is mate 😊

Yup, i have currently 6 of them and they all are heat treated perfectly!

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What's the deal with Fender now? I know about the issues Gibson had but Fender I thought had remained fairly uncontroversial

@@joshstarkey8883 They are "for the most part" regurgitated crap based on 50's and 60's designs, despite their best efforts, the guitars aren't really getting any better, as far a sound is concerned, not saying they sound terrible, but they don't sound like the Pre CBS Fenders...I can't figure out for the LIFE of me why the old ones sound so good, but by and by they sound like "Living" instruments that have tones and textures within tones and textures, and nuance. They're like a sonic all you can eat buffet. Fenders since sound like lifeless, dead. They've tried hand winding the pickups, using super expensive tonally selected wood, going back to Nitro lacquer, and still, they're not the same. All this technology from TODAY, and they can't recreate planks of wood, magnets and miracles, and basic wiring from the 50's and 60's ! ....As for Benchmade....Benchmade produces WAY too many models of knives, over complicates things, overcharges, for them, doesn't have the best in production heat treat, get's stuck in it's ways. Benchmade is anything but "Bench-made" their quality control has been slipping before Pete even got into all this, their designs are stale and uninspiring. They Kill their few good designs, they don't refine and improve enough. There are far better locks than the Axis lock, that are Far stronger and can't accidentally, close on you as easily, for a variety of reasons. "Bench-made" was cool and awesome back in the 90's when they had BALLS and were doing titanium blades with tungsten backing.(not say that, that was the best, but it was DAMN cool, and innovative !!!) Back when they were trying to Push the Limit for production knives, and knives in general. The heads of Fender and Benchmade need to come back to America. Sorry for All the people this will offend, but We've tried diversity for a number of years, and it isn't working ! Oh, and then there's BM (

Michigan Truther it is a pretty nice steel. My own problem in the past is that it does rust if you’re in a tropical environment.

He tested the Lionsteel SR11 Sleipner and did 105 cuts org, and 182 cuts after Lansky polisch. I cant understand the 300 cuts here!!??

@@demontazor Edge geometry.

does a bushcraft knife like the 200 need to cut rope forever? I would think it needs to be tough too. Cutting performance depends on a lot of things. Not just the steel itself. Maybe you would get a lot of cuts from 8cr13mv with very thin edge geometry. It would also depend on the medium being cut. It would lose an edge very quickly on the hard stuff. It just doesn't have the ingredients in it to hold an edge for long time.

@@LXT43 - 3V steel is super tough at 60hrc , why would you lower it ? I personally want the edge retention with the toughness , that's why I buy 3V.

Hmm, they must be envisioning the end user being stuck with some kind of improvised sharpening medium of relatively low hardness.

I’m a bit moderate on the topic, I generally am happy with any knife crossing over the 150cuts line. Translates to a lot of good cutting. I think they could get more ‘out’ of the steel though, as companies like Bark River and Guardian and many others have done and continue to do. But this knife sells for about the same price as a Mora Garberg Carbon does here, so price for price I don’t feel too concerned with the blade performance per dollar 😊

@@CedricAda benchmade may have done that intentionally if it was intended to be a true bushcraft knife, making it a bit easier to sharpen in the field with more basic equipment

Years down the road! The pukko is now between 60-62 according to benchmade

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It generally dousnt effect the cost significantly to get a knife harder than HRC 56.

@Emmo Kaemingk 1095 at 59 HRC is easy to sharpen and perfectly useable, if you aren't going to take advantage of the main thing 3v has that simple steels don't than why should money be wasted on it.

my edges are getting better, its one of the variables ive acknowledged in my previous vids. Since ive stuck with the KME things have stayed pretty constant. You could almost view these tests as having three main phases: Worksharp 20° per side, 2000 grit lansky, and now KME which is generallt 17° per side unless otherwise stated

@@CedricAda Thanks , and happy New year!

Better edge retention = less need to sharpen vs ease of sharpening = need to sharpen more often, some would rather have to sharpen less often

Emmo Kaemingk yes there should, I said this because there was a huge outrage about the low hardness on this steel when it came out(I did two response videos on my channel if you are curious) people said it is a waste of steel doing 3v at 56HRC, and it is better off to do 154cm or s30v softer if you want the lowered hardness for better toughness. But I like to have my doubts about what most of people think because most of people are not engineers. And I noticed Benchmade Bush craft knives or tactical knives don’t tend to use very fancy high wear resistance steels like M390 or s90v, I think that is because when you are in the field you won’t have your fancy diamond sharpener or your edge pro. And believe me when you cutting something less predictable than cupboards or rope you very likely will damage the blade by knocking on a rock or something hard, or cut open a tin can because you didn’t bring the can opener, bend or chip your edge. You may have to repair the edge on a rock, who knows, that is why I think they put the 3v on a lowered hardness. Besides, at 56HRC the 3v steel cut 180 times of this rope is pretty impressive, try that with s30v, 1095 or 154cm at 56HRC.

D Kim I know that is what people generally think, but when you look at real world use when you go to the wood for example(in the wildness or if you are a deployed soldier) you don’t actually cut cupboards all day, you cut a lot of different types of things, the pure wear resistance side of the knife is not as important as toughness or edge maintainability, you may accidentally knock your knife on a piece of rock, you may have to cut open a tin of can, your edge will dull sooner than when you just cut ropes or cupboards. You try to sharpen your knife, but you don’t have a edge pro with you like when you are at home. That is when you find out using lower quality sharpener like a small whetstone is not that great to sharpen something like a 3v at 60HRC. On the other side I found Benchmade have been doing pretty good heat treatment for many of their steels, you think they suddenly give up on that and just do a bad job? I reserve my sense of doubt that general no technical people are just looking at a single number on a piece of paper to judge a product. I have done two RU-vid videos on defending their choices, it is on my channel if you are curious(not that most of people today want to over think anything before they just judge a well established company) thanks.

@@Iamthedudeman00 Easily available diamond and ceramic stones (e.g. DC4) make the small whetstone argument sort of moot these days. A harder edge will hold up better no matter what is being cut, within reason, given a good heat treat. There are some good videos of straight up abuse of 3V blades at 60+HRC that hold up better than one would expect. I think production knife companies err on the side of "tough" i.e. soft because you have to account for the lowest common denominator in terms of knife abuse, but that doesn't make it optimal for cutting performance. The myth of the badass knife that you can use as a prybar is what is holding back the industry from producing knives with better geometry and harder heat treats.

D Kim well you have your point, I agree to some extent, but all I am saying is that Benchmade is not cheating people by doing 56HRC on their knives and I don’t think everyone will remember to bring a diamond sharpener and not everyone have the time, patience and skill to sharpen a knife at a very high hardness. I have seen such videos you are talking about and I found often when I am using my knives doing similarly abusive things my knives tend to become dull faster than those videos, it is hard to repeat what they did for some reason.(actually a few weeks ago I tried to cut a plastic wire with my Spyderco ZDP189, not knowing there was a few metal strands inside it, it was really tough to cut though and when I finally cut it through I found my knife went from real sharp to dull in a just few cuts. It actually rolled the edge instead of chipped but it didn’t help much because you can’t really just straighten these high hardness steels by honing it, you tend to have to remove the material that was bent. I hated to sharpen the ZDP189 because it takes a bit of work to get it from dull to sharp, even with a diamond stone. Lucky I was at home and could watch a movie as well as sharpening the knife so I don’t get bored) I can understand general soldiers or campers may not have the time or patience to sit there and do this for 20 to 30 minutes, depending their skill.

CMP.3V not S30v

He's talking about how the same steel can be a lot different from different companies not only 3v

Rope103 Mc luv them knives tests the steel on Chinese knives. A lot of the recognizable names have the steel they claim to have. I have a Lionsteel TRE clone - fake titanium, fake cf, more like 8cr than m390 (I had a PMI gun at work). Cost me $100. Although their 8cr does get very sharp. Cheap D2 (Eafengrow) not so much. Ganzo is decent. Twosun, bestech are pretty good these days. Not sure about Xanadu or Maxace. We and Reate of course are good. I get tired of the same old small bearing systems everyone uses on Reate and WE.

Jason Burt wow thx for the good answer, I gave up knife hobby cuz I was spending too much but iv slowly gotten back into it

I think hollow grinds are ok on some knives if done right, for example my case knives are pretty good for many tasks.

that was with the chonky bark river grind so yeah. The mirror polish should get a lot higher.

@@CedricAda fair enough, it seems heat treat is more critical than steel, to a point. I have a 200, cant say I am that impressed with my first 3v experience, maybe I'll stick with learning to enjoy sharpening my cheap Moras (which I kind of do) 👍

I also remember Big Brown Bear beating his 200 into an anvil and cutting a 6" nail, so toughness seems likes it is up to spec. Though that may be related to the lower hardness?

yeah most definitely- as long as its harder than the nail (which are generally fairly soft unless galvanized or something) the blade *should* win i those kinds of test

@@CedricAda Fun fact: Nails are usually the result of a drawn (as in pulled through a die) steel that failed a QC test. The steel is usually sent to be annealed as cold drawing steel makes it hard as hell. It's then re-drawn down to whatever nail diameter it suits and turned into nails as there aren't anywhere near as many QC checks. That's why you can hit in a load of nails and some bend and some don't, even from the same 'batch' as they are essentially just crap that failed its main purpose (cold heading) some of the steel can be aluminium rich and therefore naturally softer. Galvanised nails are no harder because of the galvanising process.

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i do a few slices to counter that, but its a fine idea, and i will try to remember to do that from now on

I haven't even seen one, but they do sound like the superior technique.

Probably worried about chipping.