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@tacticalcenter8658
@tacticalcenter8658 4 года назад
It's all about the heat treatment. Don't think of hrc and don't think of softer or harder. Heat treatment is about heating and cooling the steel. And depending on the up and down temperature and what is happening at those Temps for the desired time. If a manufacturer is not developing a heat treatment protocol and just using the basic one on the datasheet, then it won't be optimal for knives. Lucky for makers Larrin has already come up with some profiles for it that some manufacturers may use. While others will never see and will be quite worse in performance. The key here is to not look at hrc. We want to bring out the proper carbides for edge retention, we want fine grain structure and a micro structure idea for edge retention while reducing austenite as much as possible. And tempering for toughness that makes it less brittle. Hrc is really not that important in the grand scheme of things. Cause you can use a different profile to get a different hrc number and get more or less performance.
@kknives_switzerland
@kknives_switzerland 4 года назад
This!!! 62HRC is actually really "tame" compared to what's possible hardness-wise - it's indeed also very important to have an ideal microstructure. 👌🏻
@bele28
@bele28 4 года назад
Most important is carbide formation and carbide retention when knife is used. You can have a higher hrc knife that does not retain carbides as well when edge is used as a lower hrc one. Carbides should do the cutting. So it's like cooking.. trying to find that perfect balance. I think the most important step was already done by the community.. and that is.. raise awarness of just how important heat treat is. Understanding how a cheap lower grade steel composition can drastically outperform a very pricey steel just because of heat treat is key. Why spend hundreds of dollars on faulty merchendise.. every knife maker should make it of the utter most importance to get the heat treat right. Because you can make a 1000 knives that kick ass.. or a 1000 knives that are trash.. for basically same money invested. Just dial in on the heat treat is my cryout to manufacturers. Don't waste perfectly good blade steel because of lazyness. Don't fraud your customers by advertising m390 and then have that 300$ m390 outperformed by a 15$ 12c27... it's outrageous. WAKE UP
@kknives_switzerland
@kknives_switzerland 4 года назад
@@bele28 ABSOLUTELY!! I am so glad to find you guys spreading the word 🤛🏻🤛🏻 Indeed, both at high as well as low HRC hardness you can have good (or bad) carbide stability... It all depends on the overall microstructure.
@bele28
@bele28 4 года назад
​@@kknives_switzerland cough cough.. I m in Croatia.. If you get a reheatreat job on maxamet can I send you my native 5 maxamet blade so it gets a piggyback ride to perfection :D
@kknives_switzerland
@kknives_switzerland 4 года назад
@@bele28 I am still wating for some Maxamet blades to arrive for re heat treating, after those are done, I may have time. But focus is on my own folders for now. Want sum?😄
@MrFomhor
@MrFomhor 4 года назад
Nice vid as always. It suddenly struck me that it would be nice to see a microscopic image of the used (post Sisal cutting) edge. I remember that Virtuovice used to do something like that, back in the days. Cheers!
@NikeaTiber
@NikeaTiber 4 года назад
Re: your (temporary) speech impediment. You should have told people you had an unlikely sharpening accident.
@sneakhyperion9297
@sneakhyperion9297 4 года назад
Eventually we are going to crack the code for adamantium
@MaxMustermann-vy7ur
@MaxMustermann-vy7ur 3 года назад
Vanax 75 is mabye like adamantium
@tristanphillips8937
@tristanphillips8937 3 года назад
Cpm magna cut🤌 get a very thin grind and make a tough very stainless light saber. It has edge retention similar to 4v/V4E, almost as stainless as lc200n and tougher than cpm cruwear. Go take a look at knife steel nerds, he designed cpm magnacut and has everything you’d ever need to know about it on the site.
@tristanphillips8937
@tristanphillips8937 3 года назад
Also it’s essentially a very stainless cpm cru wear with better toughness
@murrayannandale
@murrayannandale 3 года назад
That's a proprietary name. They've rebranded as magnacut
@MrJohnny333
@MrJohnny333 3 года назад
Which one is stronger vibranium or adamantium?
@mforrest1508
@mforrest1508 4 года назад
I’ve been feeling flat with knives lately. Unsubbed from all channels. Deleted Instagram. But still watch your vids 👊🏻. Well done sir
@Hobbofett
@Hobbofett 4 года назад
Uncle Randy , I'd like to see him do more reviews 👌
@JadeGeminiM390
@JadeGeminiM390 3 года назад
The “has a extra 10 VNs in it” and cut to Giorgio…☠️☠️
@Islandjud
@Islandjud 4 года назад
If I could have my own personalised TV channel it would be a constant loop of: Pete, Advanced Knife Bro, Shabazz, Forgotten Weapons, InRangetv and RangerUp. Followed by podcasts from Jocko, Andy Stumpf, Rogan and Shawn Ryan. Hmmm......scratch that. That's what I do now anyway
@jfpinkston1
@jfpinkston1 4 года назад
Justin Haywood Check out Mike Drop podcast as well.....best of the bunch IMO.
@Islandjud
@Islandjud 4 года назад
@@jfpinkston1 thanks man 👍. Just added it to my list
@conductorcammon
@conductorcammon 4 года назад
Ditto!
@shadowdance4666
@shadowdance4666 4 года назад
Justin Haywood I bet you would like project farm. He compares everything
@ericblade8330
@ericblade8330 4 года назад
Justin Haywood advanced kb sucks. I like the others listed jus cant listen to his smart mouth
@spartan8390
@spartan8390 4 года назад
New to your channel. I bought a knife with S35VN; a week later, same knife offered in S45VN at the same price. At first, I was dismayed at the thought that I may have been left behind. Then I had a revelation. Like all new things; it takes time for refinement. The S35VN knife I chose has been in production for many years from a trusted company; so I'm more than satisfied. S45VN is "a new recipe in the kitchen" and will take time to perfect it. So for now, let us all enjoy the famed classic song, "I've Got A Lovely Bunch Of Coconuts" while our perspective knife makers do their refining. Also, I will be subscribing to your channel at this time. That's right! You made it! The other 30k plus subs PALE in comparison to my subscription! But seriously, great work and I look forward to your future videos.
@PersonaN007Grata
@PersonaN007Grata 4 года назад
Damn it! Now I have throw all my S35VN knives in the garbage!
@tristanphillips8937
@tristanphillips8937 3 года назад
Nah all steels have trade offs from old steels. Every property you change has another property that changes along with the first change. I have a medically alarming knowledge of steels and I can tell you that every steel has a certain property that it’s good at. The only exception to the rule of trade offs is cpm magnacut. It’s like an extremely stainless cpm cru wear with a bit better toughness. Check it out on knife steels nerds it genuinely is a huge change to how we design steels in the future.
@BuffaloNickel9
@BuffaloNickel9 3 года назад
@@tristanphillips8937 interesting comment thank you! you and I are totally different in terms of metallurgy or steel knowledge I have very little so quick question why has no one used Magna cut in their knives yet ? can it even be used in knives? does anyone produce and is it coming in the future ?Spyderco seems to use every Steel in the book including cruwear m390 M4 maxamet 20cv and on and on but have not heard anyone speak of Magna cut also second question,..,.the only property I seem to be most interested in lately is Edge retention the way I test sharpness of my knives is by how it pops the hair off my arm if a blade isn't cutting the hair on my arm with ease then it is not sharp to me and I will not use it most of the time. so considering all I'm interested in is Edge retention what is the absolute top Steel for just that property and not just a working edge but an absolute Razor Edge held the longest
@tristanphillips8937
@tristanphillips8937 3 года назад
@@BuffaloNickel9 yes! Magnacut was specifically designed for knives. However, it’s such a new steel that it hasn’t really been produced yet. I heard that after the melt of steel is atomized it can sometimes sit around for months or even years before it is pressed into a solid ingot. I’m very anxious to see some production knives in magnacut too but sadly it may take some time. As for the second question, ive found my absolute favorite steel for hair whittling sharpness is k390. (You can get a pm2 in k390 on bentoboxshop) I’ve found that almost no stainless steels have that super fine edge holding capability just because they have excess chromium carbide. Magnacut will almost certainly be an exception to that rule though. A Non stainless high alloy steel will probably suit you very well:) I’ve carried my k390 pm2 for about 18 months now without a spot of rust so it isn’t a huge deal to oil it every now and then if you want that super nice edge. The reason it holds an edge like it does is the almost 10% vanadium content and very little chromium or other elements. (Other high alloy non stainless steels like 10v and maxamet may achieve the same properties but k390 has that little bit of extra toughness)
@BuffaloNickel9
@BuffaloNickel9 3 года назад
@@tristanphillips8937 hey friend I appreciate the reply in case you didn't know I watched the video from 2 weeks ago at blade show showing Tim Reeve with a prototype sebenza 31 made out of Magna cut blade Steel I watch the video about 30 minutes after I typed my comment to you and couldn't believe it... were you aware of this Chris Reeve prototype in Magnacut made specifically for Tim Reeve to test..? .. perhaps as a future blade Steelo several years from now obviously on the sebenza and inkosi
@tristanphillips8937
@tristanphillips8937 3 года назад
@@BuffaloNickel9 yes I saw a few prototypes that came out during bladeshow this year and I am dying to get my hands on one. Like I said though they may not go into production for a while. They made a test melt to see the properties of magnacut, which was then divided to a few custom makers for prototypes. I’m sure they’ve started the production process for magnacut but it’ll take a while for those melts to be ready to be sold.
@SteveKluver
@SteveKluver 4 года назад
Thanth thyou! : - )
@henryhenry7170
@henryhenry7170 4 года назад
Gweat tetht
@officialandproper
@officialandproper 4 года назад
Hope you're doing well and healing quickly! I was intrigued with the direction the video was taking before uncle Randy spurred you to action, but am glad to have learned about s45vn too. Edit: I accidentally typed "s35" rather than "s45"... nice - thanks brain!
@HOLLEMANz
@HOLLEMANz 4 года назад
Hurry up Spyderco, put out a PM2 with DLC and a cool g10 color, so we thow our cash at you.
@danzigrulze5211
@danzigrulze5211 2 года назад
I thought S45VN would just be the replacement for knife companies that currently use S35VN exclusively. Well I guess that time has come and passed, now no one is going to shut the fuck up about having Magnacut on everything that has an edge.
@GrumpyGrunt
@GrumpyGrunt 4 года назад
Glad you're feeling better, Paul. Alex makes a nice looking knife. I'll have to go check him out. Monty Python + "Shimmer" at half speed = So much winning. 🤣
@MrCJHamill
@MrCJHamill 3 года назад
Great review. Thanks a lot for the video.
@MrRuination
@MrRuination 4 года назад
And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack... And you may find yourself in another part of the world... And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile... And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife... And you may ask yourself, "Well... how did I get here?" And you may ask yourself, "How do I work this?" And you may ask yourself, "Where is that large automobile?" And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful house." And you may tell yourself, "This is not my beautiful wife."
@Abbbb225
@Abbbb225 Год назад
Hey Cedric, do you know normalize to thickness behind the edge and rockwell as well as edge angle?
@ranger5281
@ranger5281 3 года назад
Well, of course, it's got an extra 10 VN's in it ... quite right! Next question!?
@natek1993
@natek1993 4 года назад
You are the best Pete. Thank you for your great work.
@jonathanrowan4802
@jonathanrowan4802 2 года назад
Your a real trooper to do this after mouth surgery. Can ya say ssshhh again? Haha jkjk I’ve been there it sucks
@bothompson4911
@bothompson4911 3 года назад
We love uncle Randy! Not sure about that other dude in the knife lab. I mean I love his state of the art top secret super duper facility. An everyone loves brickie!
@BradGryphonn
@BradGryphonn 4 года назад
Another great video buddy. Uncle Randy sounded fine, but you need to work on your pronunciation and get that tongue off the bottom of your mouth! It's there to be used, boy! Oops, channelling the Uncle... ...I feel I need to save some pennies. I really, REALLY like the look of that knife. Ans with that sort of edge retention, it would suit me fine.
@rcrehab9623
@rcrehab9623 4 года назад
Lmao! That was hilarious!! A extra 10vns obviously ! They end! I love your videos! The entertainment value can't be understated! So funny!
@gooseshot1403
@gooseshot1403 4 года назад
Id like to know how he gets that blade finish. It looks like maybe 1500 grit (?), acid etched, then buffed off(?), then re sanded on the flats. Anyway, those are some great results!
@d4mdcykey
@d4mdcykey 4 года назад
Official 'Internet Friend' here: That fixed blade is a true Biggus Dickus and I must have it on my person; um, I mean...nevermind.
@Gary-yt8ee
@Gary-yt8ee 2 года назад
Where can I get the knife you're showing in this video
@wadejensen3301
@wadejensen3301 4 года назад
I really don't know how Alex does these knives for the price he does!
@connerwhite7743
@connerwhite7743 4 года назад
That fixed blade is absolutely gorgeous! I mean wow!
@beyproctor7673
@beyproctor7673 4 года назад
CPM S45VN sounds like great knife steel. Thanks for another great video. You chose a perfect time for Life Of Brian references.
@grumpyoldwizard
@grumpyoldwizard 4 года назад
I got a Benchmade Meatcrafter in S45VN and I really like it, even more than I expected to.
@mealex303
@mealex303 4 года назад
All i want in a knife blade is a full flat grind zero bevel solid hardened cubic boron nitride thats razor sharp. It will always be razor sharp and will never need to sharpen it
@pop4803
@pop4803 4 года назад
Thanks for your dow and dirty testing of sisal rope. Except for a job where you cut constantly this blade would go a long, long time before becoming dull. They really got it right. Thanks, hope you get better and better. Harry
@Case16710
@Case16710 4 года назад
What if your surgeon was playing a prank on you and altered your mouth to change your voice permanently?
@Heizenberg32
@Heizenberg32 4 года назад
Such a silly way to speak. Much improved since the surgery! You can barely hear the Aussie.
@ciderandthorazine
@ciderandthorazine 4 года назад
what a great knife (even independent of steel). i think infusing nitrogen in a carbon-rich steel is interesting. supposedly, particle steels always include a small amount of nitrogen picked up from the atmosphere during the process. i wonder how much of a role that has had, clandestinely, in the superior observed properties of particle steels generally (that and probable presence of carbonitride). i'm glad to see more experimentation with it.
@brandon87ize
@brandon87ize 2 года назад
It’s got an extra 10VN!!!!!! 🤣🤣
@jalladebisar
@jalladebisar 4 года назад
Awesome video man. Thanks for the effort and all the best with the oral surgery. It is really tough to have stitches in mouth. Hope you recover very soon. Looking forward to the Spyderco S45VN review and comparing it with the @adknives edge retention ;)
@stuartb9194
@stuartb9194 4 года назад
I love how the the world is linked by KNN, the knife nerd network. Give my regards to DBK
@profesorEDC
@profesorEDC 4 года назад
Fantastic vid Pete! Hope you get well and loved the way you took it comically.
@silverfox_502
@silverfox_502 4 года назад
I don't even know what I would do with a fixed blade but I love this knife. Is this one of his DP35 / DP40 versions? Thanks as always for the information, exploration and entertainment.
@Salamon.Vatore
@Salamon.Vatore 2 года назад
Just don’t piss in them! Lmao
@BennyBladez-
@BennyBladez- 4 года назад
Thanks Pete. Hope you get better soon and I hope 🤞 the surgery helps in the long run. I really like that fixed blade to by the way. All the best till next time ✌🏽
@Shanes_Sharp_Sheet
@Shanes_Sharp_Sheet 4 года назад
Great vid Pete!! Say hello to Bluey, Bingo, Stripe, and Chili for me!
@archiebunker3654
@archiebunker3654 4 года назад
I wonder how the S45vn compares to M390?
@robinpohl2702
@robinpohl2702 4 года назад
Just in time for the pm2 sprint run, despite the great looks I'm not too hyped for this one tho
@redastrachan8978
@redastrachan8978 4 года назад
Continuity in your work is greatly appreciated. (I'm sold on the 17° angle!)
@jordanmichaelharvey
@jordanmichaelharvey 2 года назад
What is that sharper called?
@birdlaw1019
@birdlaw1019 4 года назад
Instant like for the Spinal Tap reference. Random aside question, how long did it take to sharpen on the KME? I'm using the Lansky and considering upgrading my sharpening setup.
@CedricAda
@CedricAda 4 года назад
Probably a 25 min job all up. pretty doable, and I tend to fuss a little more
@birdlaw1019
@birdlaw1019 4 года назад
@@CedricAda Awesome, thanks for the response! That's the kind of real world data that is invaluable.
@beck4218
@beck4218 Год назад
Sold me on S45VN
@Camelotsmoon
@Camelotsmoon 4 года назад
4:08 LOL, the last statistic is the best.
@brianf9619
@brianf9619 4 года назад
Great Review , thanks Pete . Let's just hope Spyderco does this steel right on their new Para 3's ..
@thomasnardelli2181
@thomasnardelli2181 4 года назад
I almost died when Monty python came on
@tonycanniffe2360
@tonycanniffe2360 4 года назад
Your thoughts about the value of custom fixed blades are in my top 5 ‘Knife Guru’ comments of all time. Lyn Thompson has the other four spots😉
@jeremys8360
@jeremys8360 4 года назад
I wonder if it will cut “half” the amount as s90v
@robin2821
@robin2821 4 года назад
Half x N, you mean.
@tacticalcenter8658
@tacticalcenter8658 4 года назад
That really depends on the heat treatment recipe of the s90v in the particular knife being tested. S90v can be poorly heat treated in mass production while still showing 59hrc. It's how the recipe itself does to the composition of the steel inside. When steel is heated all the components of that steel interact at different temperatures for sustained times. If s90v is not done correctly because a manufacturer doesn't want to investigate the best recipe for that composition, it will be abismal. Never trust manufacturers... Most of them do not do that, only few do.
@jeremys8360
@jeremys8360 4 года назад
Tactical Center it was a math joke
@David_DY
@David_DY 4 года назад
Wait 45 and 45 is 90 🤯😂
@doctoruttley
@doctoruttley 3 года назад
😂👌🏻
@mohdzaudikhasni8829
@mohdzaudikhasni8829 4 года назад
Whatever steel your knife made, whatever highest hrc your knife reach.. When emergency situations you open tin can with expensive knife, your edge will rolls and chip.. Because tin can made from cpm s125v.. Lol
@dimi7055
@dimi7055 3 года назад
I have tried getting a knife from Adknives but he is super unfriendly, i asked him if he could replica a bravo2 but then with his twist on it and he told me : why you come to me if you want a bravo2 just go to bark river not to me. So i decided he can go suck a big one and blocked him and all my custom orders went to BGMknives which is an awesome dude!
@D00MTR33
@D00MTR33 4 года назад
Vanadium in steels isn't new and been used way before the 1990s. They've been using it, tungsten and moly in steel before WW1. The old T, A, M, W series steels all used it. Henry Ford used steel with vanadium in his Model T cars.
@hagninety4116
@hagninety4116 4 года назад
Nice knife. Great video. I only have one knife. It’s made in PD#1 by Carpenter. Not sure if it’s any good but I heard it’s decent. Learning lots about steel from you. Thanks for shortening up the rope cutting.
@757OMG
@757OMG 4 года назад
I am interested in buying the spyderco mule knives but I don’t want to get both the s45vn and the spy27. Do you have a recommendation, they are the same price. After that I will just continue to get the newest release when it comes out
@mattadler4710
@mattadler4710 4 года назад
I don't laugh at videos all that often...or anything at all really (wish it were different, but there it is) but the fork in the battery powered driver/drill made me laugh. It was just right.
@gaberoo9099
@gaberoo9099 3 года назад
Uncle Randy! Gotta love it. My wife has an uncle Randy (no kidding). Love it.
@ericfreeman8060
@ericfreeman8060 3 года назад
Good job on the accent haha. I appreciate the videos you do and the humor. Thanks from Indiana USA.
@grumpyoldwizard
@grumpyoldwizard 4 года назад
What do you think of Benchmade’s 14 degree cutting angle? They are making a big deal about it in their “Hunt” line.
@CytoplasmicGoo
@CytoplasmicGoo 4 года назад
To hell with s45vn, what I want is a review of that cordless spaghetti twirler! I’m here still twirling my pasta by hand like a peasant!
@clifftaylor7889
@clifftaylor7889 4 года назад
Hey bro, Chris Reeves dose not work at Reeves anymore. His wife Jenny runs it now. Man your good with your steels man.
@mickkeim4142
@mickkeim4142 4 года назад
Oh...I wouldn’t worry. You give me something to think about.
@getsmart3701
@getsmart3701 4 года назад
That knife is suuppper sexy. Mr. AD knives knows his business and then some.
@lenzielenski3276
@lenzielenski3276 4 года назад
Thank you for the screenshot. I am now able to twirl and eat spaghetti 10x faster than before.
@paulhughes3961
@paulhughes3961 4 года назад
I wonder if the price for it will be as moderate as the make up of S45 over S35.
@krazmokramer
@krazmokramer 4 года назад
Thanks for letting Uncle Randy talk Ahmurikan!
@thecydonianknight6849
@thecydonianknight6849 4 года назад
Molybdenum forms carbides that contribute to edge retention
@mikelikesknives428
@mikelikesknives428 4 года назад
Your speech still sounds perfect! I wouldn’t change a thing.
@kevola5739
@kevola5739 4 года назад
You still pronounce the metal composition names better than I ever could.
@niksemjonovs1711
@niksemjonovs1711 4 года назад
Congrats. I've been wanting to get a knife from Alex. His work is amazing.
@Mrplacedcookie
@Mrplacedcookie 4 года назад
Can't wait for CRK adopting S45VN and get it a run in the knaf lab
@mikepipher3347
@mikepipher3347 4 года назад
I got my wisdom teeth out and tongue tie snipped at the same time when I was like 23. Totally sucked.
@DavePotokar
@DavePotokar 4 года назад
Uncle Randy is a good candidate to sell propane and propane accessories.
@patrickvanovermeeren4513
@patrickvanovermeeren4513 4 года назад
Great video , interesting . Thanks for the hard work !! 👍😛
@em0_tion
@em0_tion 4 года назад
0:42 Damn, those hospital grade drugs must be something else xD
@anthonyvollmer4001
@anthonyvollmer4001 4 года назад
LC200N is only 0.5% nitrogen but 15% chromium, are you thinking about testing corrosion resistance with this steel also? Wonder how it compares? zknives.com/knives/steels/lc200n.shtml
@CedricAda
@CedricAda 4 года назад
Anthony Vollmer check out my rust test vids, just search ‘cedricada lc200n’ or ‘cedricada rust test’ and theres a bit ive done on it
@michaelwaldeck7081
@michaelwaldeck7081 4 года назад
How can we see the price and availability to buy?
@archivist17
@archivist17 4 года назад
Hope your surgery was successful, and heals well.
@jasonlarsen7747
@jasonlarsen7747 4 года назад
I fucking love your videos so much
@krismartin1181
@krismartin1181 Год назад
I am happy you and dbk are friends!
@NoOne-ki3bm
@NoOne-ki3bm 4 года назад
I’m loving your t-shirt!
@Mrplacedcookie
@Mrplacedcookie 4 года назад
S45VN on a Sebenza in 3...2...1...
@tts3874
@tts3874 4 года назад
Sexy new accent bud, keep up the great work
@newtyauger5458
@newtyauger5458 3 года назад
When you’re being silly it is annoying
@kelvinwilliams6999
@kelvinwilliams6999 4 года назад
What sharpening system is that? Thanks.
@the.shotgun.approach
@the.shotgun.approach Год назад
that mirror edge is beautiful!
@ReclusiveMountainMan
@ReclusiveMountainMan 3 года назад
Teddy Roosevelt in the house... 0:18
@mr.e9017
@mr.e9017 3 года назад
Best vids by a hobby guy, bar none!
@CommonCentsOutdoorsman
@CommonCentsOutdoorsman 4 года назад
thats a good looking knife
@astrazenica7783
@astrazenica7783 4 года назад
Oh bless, his voice! What have they done to him
@Kwaark
@Kwaark 4 года назад
thx for all the information and testing !
@DinoNucci
@DinoNucci 4 года назад
You had what done to what why? @ 0:47 WAT
@coryjordan863
@coryjordan863 4 года назад
Where can you get this knife?
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