I feel the same as you , people say you should appreciate your mom dad because they gave birth to you but it would have been way better if I was not born at all
@@theultimatereductionist7592 dude I am from India, I wanted to get vasectomy for free as I can't pay for the surgery because I am an clg student and I don't earn.
@Shanti Sree but they can have just 1. If thats the case. There are many maids that i have seen who have 3-4 kids and still none of them are able to get good education or jobs and thats because of the atmosphere of slums, thats having a atmosphere of no eduaction, or good morals, but celebrating festiavls for entertainment (not understanding the signifigance behind celebrating them), having backward thinking, men being engaged in drinking/smoking/gambling, and they beat up there women, if they dont have s** with them, or dont earn as maids. They dont have knowledge about condoms, protection, they feel as they have no source of income in there oldage and no one to look after them, atleast there kids would earn and Give them food to eat. Thats the stuff. + Our stupid govt. Is more devoted into religious issues and wars with neighbouring countries, rich here want to be more rich (so even super rich people here need good morals, like feeding poor, building homes for them, not like having 2 kids and then making them rule this world and keeping money for generations!!)
I'm not saying all kids from poor backgrounds suffer alot, or they dont have good parents. I know a maid and she has 2 daughters and she sends them to school and tution through her hard earned money. I have respect for such people! But they are a minority. People have to understand (life is suffering : buddhism) and if the creator was a good person everyone in this world would be happy.
A man can only succeed through struggle. who said life is fair? Still, that doesn't mean procreation is not important. Just don't breed carelessly like an illiterate.
@@TheNarautube I am childfree and didn't marry. I hate responsibilities and being married along with a kid brings massive amounts of responsibility. With single life, i eat whatever i like, go to wherever i like. And amazed by how much money can be saved. So fuck this marriage child bullshit.
@Tyler Durden That's the point dummy. Life isn't necessary to go on. Certainly not in todays world, full of misery. Why would you want to bring another life here to suffer for your own selfish reasons?
@@whyrwehere8824 Yes,I'm a Muslim and I also support them because this is what time needs, the population of India is rapidly increasing and our resources are limited, so whats the point of creating a new baby,knowing that he will not have a good future.And if the increase of population doesn't stop now human will eat other human. And as for the religion, Islam gives us the flexibility to change with time.
I have the same philosophy. Life is a struggle which we should encounter from birth till death. So why should bring new life just to struggle? I believe it to be morally wrong.
It's wonderful having a child 🌻 the idea that both of you have made this entire new human being, I respect your decision but its the most natural thing ever!
@@josephbradshaw2240 what kind of logic is it ? Its wonderful creating a baby ? Wonderful for who ? For you ? What about the baby ? Does it ask you to creat it ? Well for me its wonderful killing a human being ☺ the idea that i myself inflicted so much pain that the person died ☺ how wonderful it is ? Should i do it ?
@@josephbradshaw2240 oh wow its so wonderful to create suffering. also its as natural as shitting or dying yet no one says these are great things only because they are natural
I second the topic. The world is full of tensions. Why should we bring another innocent soul to face this horrible world. Just to show that we aren't impotent.
Exactly....even I told my mom I will rather adopt kids than to produce my own..she said people might think that ur impotent...Like now we should produce babies for those gossipers or what?!! Jus to prove thatv aren't impotent??? How stupid!!
Being in marriage for 8 years now people around me in my relatives family call me "baanj" and call my husband a transgender... Just because we dont want to have kids.... From last 4 years i am hearing shit mOre than this.... But still happy with my and husbands decision... Now i can see there are many people like me..
Late reply here, but seriously ignore what society calls you behind your back. You and your husband enjoy your life the way you want it. It's not like society is going to come and provide financial support incase you have a child. So it's better to just ignore them.
@@anupamaMall why are you thinking like this ma'am...you're a women right ????... Of course your parents will have that eagerness to see grandchildren right ???
Don't give a damn about people or relatives . Make your own world with your husband and live happily . Interact with only those who respect you the way you are .
This is called being highly matured and having very high thinking. Stop Saying depressed people think like this, the answer is NO. Bringing kids in to this world is the most selfish act. Period!
@@shonashelar78 exactly.. What astonishes me is even during this pandemic people are having kids.. Aren't these people scared of their kids future? bringing kids is the easiest task than making sure they survive properly and have better quality life in this world.. There is so much uncertainty.. few years back no one expected that there would pandemic and it would cripple the world for 2 years and would still continue. If current situation can't bring change in people then i don't know when
I know a family having 8 girls, trying to have a SON! I was an unwanted child born to 45yr old mother. Later, My mother had refused to hand me over in adoption to a childless woman. Now after 40 yrs I regret my birth leading miserable life!!
I'm so sorry. I just want to say that you are your own person and you deserved better in life. I hope you can love yourself better than your birth mother. I'm from the US but I live in India and I've seen these kind of atrocities that are happening here and it makes my heart ache. People being forced into unhappy marriages and old fashioned traditional roles and being disowned by family for not following these stupid rules and the lack of respect for women etc. These barbaric outdated traditions need to go because they're hurting people and causing too much unnecessary suffering. 💔🥺
Even bringing a child into this world isn't a problem. But when the child says that you brought them into this world and asks how to leave this world without pain and suffering, if those parents have a perfect and straightforward answer to this question, I'd worship such parents as Gods and Goddesses. But this is Kali Yuga and not Satya Yuga. So, we can never find such parents. Maybe we can try to be spiritually advanced parents. But, we can't change the LUSTy and Greedy 8 Billion other humans who just keep producing more and more and more babies without realizing what they're doing to this planet and the species itself... Hence I feel humanity will go extinct anyway as it's more likely they launch world war 3 and destroy themselves. So, I can never leave my soul with negative karma by bringing a child into this world just so it suffers and dies. No way. I researched deeply into spirituality and it seems like if we reach higher levels of consciousness, we become immortals by leaving the body in samadhi state. This means, all those Lustful humans will be reborn, enjoying freewill in this world while we will have option to exercise freewill even in the incorporeal world.
@@aliengod2039 : You are actually forgetting that colonizers ruined the planet and still are destroying the ozone, rivers , vegetarian and livelihood of others. They were the main ones having 12 - 22 children while keeping human beings that are considered sub- par now still to this very day , in poverty centuries later ! Research eugenics and the agenda behind planned parenthood. Their lust and greed has made their pockets heavier while the brown species are taught to kill their children or better yet not have them at all because life is sooo depressing and all we do is suffer.
@@aliengod2039 I asked this to my mom.. She reads Geeta etc.. She said u r Born Cz of ur pending karma, finish ur karma and u will attain salvation which is true.. Even I have done research..
@@creativeaarts4023 She is right. Sanatana Dharma supports progressive evolution. But when you examine carefully, you notice right after Lord Krishna's death, Kali Yuga started. The quality of individual human decreased as the quantity of individuals in the species increased. Mankind fell into the trap of beauty of outside material world and lost the true purpose of existence. And thus Abrahamic faiths got started from Brahmic roots who migrated to the Middle East. Today we see every child is born only to experience sensual pleasures and material comforts and not seek higher truth and purpose. Today, almost all humans have their sexual chakra / root chakra as the most active one and so they cause all the sin to animals, plants, nature, etc. for enjoyment of their own selfish pleasures which lead to overpopulation, industrialization, pollution, competition, crimes, etc. Many children are born with diseases, defects, disabilities. What sin did they do? Explanation is Karma from past life. Everything is connected. You can imagine the universe like a virtual AI program that spawns infinite threads when consciousness / computing power gets trapped within a material body in the brain / pineal gland. All the life's actions are recorded and the actions of this body transforms the consciousness / atman / soul of that individual. Now if that individual had done too much bad karma, then they will get a future body which has more pain and suffering than a normal healthy body ( which itself experiences pain and suffering at some point in their lifetime ). So, at the very least, even if one has a child, it's best to raise them spiritually if not altruistically. Detachment from money, material things and pleasures is extremely good for the soul because next birth may not be as good as this one. This itself is a reason for desire to attain moksha for many. In Satya Yuga, all were Gods and Goddesses and they didn't multiply like insects as their default active energy center was the crown chakra. They never had selfish desires and they always shared their pleasures with their entire species and also with all other creatures. This ensured that wherever or as whatever they are reborn in their next life, they are treated the exact same way they had treated others or other creatures. They only "Created" a child when the entire species were in need of a human resource. They were conscious and not let sub-conscious mind control their animal instincts. They realized the effects of karma from selfish pleasures. So, they even sacrificed their lives for the pleasures of entire species and all lives. This is the height of altruism during that time. There are few videos on RU-vid describing how technologically advanced Satya Yuga was. Spiritual technology is infinitely superior to material technology as the former can last for eternity such that they won't need any material things to survive and can stay invisible to our material senses as long as they wish to. Actually I can say that this is one of The best moment in human history where this species can reach a spiritual utopia where they can easily eliminate all pain and suffering and progress to a super human or divine species. It's like a now or never moment in time. Education on specific subjects is very important to reach this level of consciousness or understanding. But how to educate 8 Billion humans about spiritual truths and how Karma is deeply linked with desire and how Karma can be logically manipulated through yoga and meditation is the biggest challenge. If all couples are encouraged to restrict to just 0 or 1 child per family and for a higher altruistic and spiritual purpose, then we can see population drop from 8 Billion to less than few millions. This will heal nature and improve quality of DNA of future generations as climate, water and soil would be repaired and then using proper yoga and meditation, they can stop "Producing" and start "Creating" super human children of the future consciously. Those children will never feel any physical or mental pain as they understand the highest truth and work for higher purpose rather than selfish interests.
Unfortunately, most Indians won't be able to understand what you are saying. They will call you depressed, pagal etc., but won't make an effort to understand your PoV.
Reasons I don’t want children: 1. It’s my body my choice 2. Pregnancy freaks my out 3. Childbirth scares me. 4. World is already overpopulated overburdened. Humans are a danger to mama earth. (Bees are important than humans) 5. Future generations are going to suffer a lot in terms of clean water and clean air being Alive will be a curse 6. Human life is full of suffering 7. I don’t want to bring another human in a world full of rat race, racism, classism, castiesm and war. 8. If I ever feel like wanting kids in future I’ll adopt. (There are so many)
@Suman Kundu Please go through this book Sapiens. And please read Niti aayog reports on the upcoming disaster of common ground water decline in India. I will never give birth to a child to face all these stuffs. May be I would adopt someone as there are still 29 crore orphan in India.
@Suman Kundu parenting instincts are the strongest when they're most fertile. We always have the option of adopting kids and rising them as our own. There are so many children who haven't been loved. Also how is anything better if you're married within your own community? The only way to abolish religious discrimination is to encourage more inter community marriages. Also from an evolutionary point of view, a species is more benefitted when there is a larger gene pool.
In India we have no control over our lives.. that leads to people realising that what is the point of life.... We have no control over our: Birth, education, career choice, even marriage if you remain single for a longer time and death. It's really sad... There might be so many people depressed with their lives. It will be good to have people with such realistic mindset questioning the logic behind everything.
Living beings can never have control over their birth. That's a fact. Cosmos itself doesn't have control over its birth and survival. However, human beings can have an explicit choice of life & death.
@@usergmail4272 yup we have to see the positive side, if we are born here😊😊. Think of those women who live in Saudi Arabia, syria, north Korea, Iran, iraq there condition is very bad. Atleast in India we have freedom to express, educate and rear our profession. Ya but our society sucks on so many levels. They have so many stereotypes attached to women which is kinda sad, but I hope these conditions will eventually become better. 🙂
What's noble in this ?? You think the world would be better without humans and you know what, Muslims won't buy this bullshit. They'll reproduce even more.
@@AM-yj8dy Existence is dissatisfaction. If your life was resolved you would die. You live to be perpetually in chase of satisfaction like a junkie. That is the sum of your experience.
@YurururuY we are meaning seeking beings while nature is inherently meaningless, doesn't mash up well together, and it is not okay to gamble kn someone's life, no matter the outcome of the gamble
@@vanibandodkar31415 I think it's true that all atheists are moral nihilsts, because almost all atheists believe that life is an accident & life is meaningless ( including Dawkins ).
Mansa Eve Exactly, even I have such beliefs but never knew that it really exists. Antinatalism is the ultimate solution to be actually free from everything ( free from good nd bad game, from dramas, pain nd pleasure)
@@FestivaLagoon People can't stand the fear of loneliness. They reproduce to invest on a staff for old age. But I've come across so many who still are insecure after having children. Hence derived that fear is only in the head. It is an imaginary state of mind. Ppl have this mindset that women who dont want children are selfish. And I feel it's rather selfish wanting to have only yours when so many are abandoned in orphanages. Being childfree is only a choice that's all. Like how we choose between careers, dinner options ...ice cream options ...that's all that it is. I'm amazed how ppl judge the ones who don't want children more than the ones who don't wish to marry at the first place. That's illogical
@@shayonimukherjee7303 the problem for us rational thinkers is that we are dealing with a whole bunch of illogical people who have such confidence that they can make us second guess our choices with their foolish arguments.
You presented an interesting point. The old ones are still insecure even after having children. Can you please provide some insights about their thinking? I can use it to form my opinions and use it in debates.
@@FestivaLagoon I just feel that having children doesn't combat loneliness. In many cases they rather become the cause of grief because children many a times hurt their old parents. To this these so called righteous ppl say that it all depends on their bringing up so does that mean all these parents have not brought up their progeny well ? All parents try their best to bring up their children well. Besides old parents are still not tension free. They keep the money they've managed to save to give to their children after they die. They don't use their own money enjoy their life.
I am a lady of this view and people treat me like I'm crazy not to have kids they keep asking me who will look after you or go to some temple or fast on certain days and u will get a baby boy I honestly believe anyone who will be born now will have very tuff life no clean air water crisis job crisis I wish Indian parents would stop treating there kids like insurance policy
Insurance policy!!! Lmao that's so true!!! Majority of people are hella ignorant and selfish...they give birth to children for every nonsense reason ...
@@CarolineAnandSiddiqui No but like that's the only option left now...If people don't take responsibility then we only have to come to the forefront.Although even if I would want to experience motherhood once but there's no point in bringing another life to this tyrannical and barbaric world...
Nothing wrong in not wanting to be a parent. Its a purely personal choice, you want to be one? Be a responsible one. Never ever make children your "investment" or "pride".
U r right. Be a responsible one - well said. No parenting is the sad thing all around bcoz of nuclear families. Children are almost orphaned since parents r busy in their profession
If all people think like this, yes later there won't be anyone to say that once upon a time there was a species called 'human',. We say about Dinosaur Age. But there won't be any one to say "Human Age". 😄😄
The most annoying thing to hear from parents is that they gave birth to us because it was their duty and getting us married & have kids is also their duty. They want support during old age. If they never had kids, they wouldn't have to go through mental and physical pain that adds up to the ageing ailments. Ultimately they wouldn't need their sons/daughters to take care of them during old age. There are many old aged people in their 80s who are hitting the gym and are quite strong physically.
In India ur kids r ur social security I’m sure a few crores would happily choose a childless life if they r guaranteed some social security during their old age/when they fall ill..people just want a dignified life y would they live in hope that their kids will tc of them, the fact that they r becoming a burden also stresses them..that’s y many flee to EU
But some want to have a company.. My mom still spends on me, brother lives in different home as he is married.. My parents only have me now as a company.. Everyone feels for their child..
The ones who can afford to raise kids are having 0-2 kids, but the ones who can't feed themselves go ahead and produce multiple kids, who ultimately may turn out to be a burden to the society and country.
I agree with this take. Only people who are emotionally and financially stable should take up the responsibility. Even rich and mentally unstable couples shouldn't be allowed. There should be some formal way to conduct checks.
Damn!! Why did this got recommended to me after a year, I thought I was alone with this thought in India, it feels good to know some people share my thoughts on this matter.
Child is not an investment.Having someone to share happiness and love is not at all a bad idea.If they don't want to let them stay away from having one.Love and getting loved is not a selfish thing.Its basic animal nature. For saving earth,controlling child population would be better than this.If ppl are emotionally matured enough to provide a better life for their child let them make babies(in a controlled way) and live their life as per choice. Honestly i don't think anyone of this so called forward thinking ppl are 'regretting for being born'. It's kind of being pseudo intellectual for making ur theory more appealing to others.. And if ur point is adopting a child,its also a good idea.But emotionally some women may have this feeling of having baby,taking care of it.Though it's not a mandatory thing,its just a part of life..and I think those who have these thoughts shouldn't be barred from experiencing all these
Joey Tribbiani bringing a child into the world just because you want to be loved by them is selfish. Everything you said is still selfish. if anyone wants to have kids, fine that’s their business, not mine. I’m just asking for non selfish reasons for my own sake.
@@venugopalck4280 you can have a child for any number of reasons but it cannot be in the interest of the potential child, one can't have a child for the child sake. Because their is no one exist who needs your love, so you are creating another person to fulfill your own selfish desires.
I think our generation still don’t understand that a women can choose not to have kids. We are not in 19th century when we were not having that choice. Really happy to see this video and relieved that we are there to understand each other
No existence = not having to deal with useless and overcompetitive school system No existence = not having to fight for good colleges, which have less than 1% selection rate No existence = not having to fight for exploitative jobs, and be overworked and underpaid No existence = not having to deal with unemployment No existence = no possibility of meeting with an accident and getting your limb amputated No existence = not having to deal with diseases like asthma and diabetes, which degrade quality of life No existence = not having to see your loved ones struggle with terminal illnesses and die No existence = not having to die a slow and painful death due to cancer, paralysis, etc. *NO EXISTENCE = NO PROBLEMS*
Seriously, population needs to be in control...Even I'm gonna adopt kids rather than producing my own...A child is a child..It anyways comes from it's mother's womb so doesn't matter if it's biologically mine or not...There are so many innocent kids out there craving for love and nurturing of parents...Those poor little souls have to face this harsh and cruel world all alone jus coz their parents abandoned them..My heart breaks for them!!! I would be glad even if I could give a bright future to two babies...I can live a contented life then..!
Good. I like babies too but I don't think I'll ever want to raise my own. Nothing wrong with these people as long they don't end up marching on streets claiming they are better and impose their thoughts.
kou shik • 9K Views there is no relation between baby and children ,, if u want some emotional support or partner u can marry having kids or not its ur choice same way marriage ,,
I once asked my grandmother that why did she have 8 kids with my grandpa. She could have easily done away with 2 or 3. She said, " In case one of them doesn't look after us in our old age,there will be 7 more of them we can impose our expectations on. " Damn!
and that is the reality that people do not know or just choose to ignore. that is all we are . a fucking retirement plan, someone to take care of them when old. to buy them medicine, take them to the doctor. pay for people to take care of them. what a piece of shit reason to be forced to come here.and to think that most of the idiots out there put parents in a pedestal. they all are garbage. people have no idea of how this world really is. wishful thinking is preferred at all times. back then they also had another reason, cheap labor to work at the farm.
All with some motives already attached and in case it is not as per expectation then quarrels fights in family. Earlier life was little better raising child required limited reaources ,less of social pressure ,limited social circle,cost of education was less.parents were happy sharing their struggle story and how they managed to raise and we should be proud about it.Can we say this now?Can we ask todays child to keep quiet,we used to be quiet just glance of father.We could wait for laptop for years but can we do that.If we are running behind money..both mother and father,then who is spending time with child.There was not this much rush in train or traffic,moms mostly used to homemaker but now look at working mother,she sacrifies her sleep to be attentive and play with child not full heartdly..plus health..due to all climate and bad food ,our health is already compromised..so do new borns..popping medecins...what quality of life?they will enter depression at the age of 10..we heard and few entered at 20.
Yes I also want to be child free. Instead of spending my earnings on children. I rather spend it to help poor to satisfy their basic needs of food , clothing and shelter. There are many poor children who just struggle to get a proper meal once a day. Instead of reproducing new ones if we focus on these poor children which are already there we can make our India a better nation. ☺
🙌🏼 yasss!! Married since eight years, child free and whenever the finances allow maybe will adopt a preexisting child. Not selfish enough to create one out of nothing only to add to this planet’s burden. My unborn biological child doesn’t even exist right now, why even make it, whyyyyyyyy?
One thing you can do is you should donate some money to old age homes if everyone will start doing this the problem- who will take care of u when u will become old will get solved
From a month ago this thought is circulating in my mind. I thought I was alone with this mindset. Now I m really glad to see this community with same mindset.
Right now the situation gets even worser Both parents and children are struggling hard physically and most importantly mentally to cope up with the world. It's good to have such an initiative of not having a child. Every parent working hard for their child to happy all the time. It's better not to have kid and make them see this broken world.
Completely agree.. Living happily ever after is our ultimate goal but its very temporary.. Everyone has to go through all the emotions its how life is and which should not be enforced.... Parenthood is not for everyone its a choice.. Why do you want to bring someone into this world where there is already enough misery and go through the cycle of life and death ..
It's quite amazing that antinatalism's finally started to emerge from being a niche philosophy and begun to infect mainstream consciousness as a self-evident conclusion. It's just utterly disappointing that we've had to reach such a horrendous dystopic existence for that to have happened.
I did not want to have kids as I think it is a big responsibility to bring them up. I made this clear to my wife before I got married. I don’t regret that decision at all.
Guess what, most of us ask this questions once or many times in some cases "Why I was even born?" but had no answers. Others wanted to say "I don't want a child" but cant convince without a supporting group or collective information. This surely boost confidence and hope. Thanks for presenting this idea. Anti-natalist people exists and we have fair reasons.
From my bottom of my Heart I appreciate this Antinatalism movement ... Very happy to came across this Video ... so thankful to the The quint channel for posting it n very much thanks to the wonderful comments by d ppl with d same ideology
last month i was travelling in kolkata suburban local train and i saw a couple with 6 small kids...yes 6..the couple sepecially the wife was so puny and thin and malnutritioned.....i felt disgusted........people need to understand what limit is...
This couple has put themselves in a trap that will remain as long as they live , feeding them , raising them (somehow ),and marrying them off so that they can have 6 kids each(😅)
Yeah right... they feel that producing more children will bring them more money.So they keep on producing kids without thinking of their future...Now who will educate them, universe only knows!!!
Sacred Heart We can’t ask babies if they want to be born or not so it would only be right to not have them. Everyone was born without their consent. If a baby is denied life by never being created, then it’s impossible for them to want to experience life because they were never consciously aware that they had potential to exist.
@@creativeaarts4023 Gita is self realization.... Immature progeny like you really needs a session to be mature..... The way you're talking and disrespecting your parents are henious.... Parents are your responsibility.... Otherwise take the burden of the cur$e of the parents, they won't say anything but their negative vibe is enough to end your g00d days ...... If everything is your wish then , if I was there near you , I would have requested armed Force to ex€cute you immediately.... Bcoz it's their wish..... Good luck for your arrogance.... And Make your parents happy and proud, you immature progeny... Namaste 🙏🏻🌸🔱
I also think ,,what type of life this is ,, struggling for job...then housing...then child bearing...at last a miserable old life....where is my happiness in this... Better to either have one or none
And no guarantee that child will take care of you.. I saw boys especially enjoying life and after marrying doesn't even look after their parents, they enjoy life, they go abroad..
Some people hate this video because of the ideology, but both sides are true in a sense . You shouldn’t have kids if you are unable to take care of them. How is this fair to burden sin on your unborn child ?
Once when I was in 1st standard, while travelling to school I had a thought that oneday I would have to die.And the natural death would also be painful. At that time I felt that all this could be avoided if I was never born.
3 years ago when i first watched this video i was still in college, not knowing anything about stressful real-world. I even made fun of them. Now i completely understand why would anyone oppose procreation
Having a child is a personal choice. That I can understand but suing one's parents for their choice to bring you into this world is something that I can't comprehend.
Only 3-4 percent of rich population is having good times in their life , rest are just surviving ,working endlessly to make their ends meet.fighting lots of competition , giving and failing exams just to get in middle class/ lower class wage salary, and getting depressed day by day with so rotten environment
I tried convincing my maid who has 2 daughters not have any more....she still went ahead and produced another girl in desire for a boy.....there r way too many pathetic people who wont comprehend to any advice.....nevertheless this is a good start and need of the hour
Japan's birth date is lower than death rate. Japanese people don't want to have kids in this bhagam bhaag life. Good for them.. but in india its opposite. Poor are having more kids than rich.
