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Benny Morris claims Israel is not targeting Palestinian civilians 

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“If Israel wanted to kill civilians in Gaza they could have killed 500,000 by now”
Israeli historian Benny Morris told political scientist Norman Finkelstein during a group debate on the Lex Fridman podcast that Israel would have killed many more Palestinians if it had been targeting civilians.
Finkelstein countered by highlighting instances where Israel has targeted and killed Palestinian children, including an incident in 2015 when four children were killed by a navy vessel on a Gaza beach.
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@abcd1537
@abcd1537 2 месяца назад
Trying to defend the indefensible would be laughable if the sheer loss of innocent life wasn't so tragic.
@TransKidsMafia
@TransKidsMafia 2 месяца назад
you’re not a victim for starting wars and losing them
@AlfieDoolittle
@AlfieDoolittle 2 месяца назад
I am Stunned. Morris is a true historian and I have read some of his work. I have been aware that increasingly he has allowed a lot of his personal bias to taint his initial account of the history of this conflict, but I honestly did not expect him to resort to cheap Israeli government talking points!!! No, the fact that Israel can kill half a million Arabs in a week and has not done that is NOT proof of its innocence and nobility; much in the same way that it could dislocate all of the West Bank and Jerusalem Arabs in a month but has chosen to do it methodically over decades. It is a stealth displacement so its main accomplices - The US and the UK - continue their political & military support. Its settlements in the West Bank alone demonstrate that it says one thing to the world and does the opposite in action and continues to lie about it.
@Dulee47
@Dulee47 2 месяца назад
@@TransKidsMafiaok tranee
@EMR385
@EMR385 2 месяца назад
The very fact that the ICJ, UN, NATO, and world governments are playing civil politics, while a calculated psychopath and The New Axis commit mass m. (mostly against children), reveals the insanity of their entire systems and the people that represent it! Palestinians, any human, have the right to live! This topic is not debatable. Absolute non negotiable. There should be no debate by those in power, of who’s right, who’s wrong, until BN plays by international and humanitarian law. And since BN refuses to abide these basic human laws, the world has the responsibility to forcefully remove him from power. If every country has to send in 100,000 troops to do it; then every country has to send in 100,000 troops to do it. His refusal to abide by law should automatically means he loses the “war.” No debate Non negotiable Point blank FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE IS FREEDOM FOR ALL🕊🇵🇸🌍
@EMR385
@EMR385 2 месяца назад
The very fact that the ICJ, UN, NATO, and world governments are playing civil politics, while a calculated psychopath and The New Axis commit mass m. (mostly against children), reveals the insanity of their entire systems and the people that represent it! Palestinians, any human, have the right to live! This topic is not debatable. Absolute non negotiable. There should be no debate by those in power, of who’s right, who’s wrong, until BN plays by international and humanitarian law. And since BN refuses to abide these basic human laws, the world has the responsibility to forcefully remove him from power. If every country has to send in 100,000 troops to do it; then every country has to send in 100,000 troops to do it. His refusal to abide by law should automatically means he loses the “war.” No debate Non negotiable Point blank FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE IS FREEDOM FOR ALL🕊🇵🇸🌍
@gems8167
@gems8167 2 месяца назад
His excuse is "we only killed 50k not 500k so arent you happy with our restraint?"
@patrickodea6500
@patrickodea6500 2 месяца назад
That's not his argument at all.... You guys can't even understand what he's saying because you're fueled by emotions and not reason. He is saying "only" in reference to the number of people that would have been killed if they were deliberately targeting civilians. He is not arguing that 30k people is a small number of people.
@user-rj2ic3yg6t
@user-rj2ic3yg6t 2 месяца назад
​@patrickodea6500 The fact there is even an attempt at using numbers to somehow refute civilians aren't being targeted is utterly disgusting.
@MohNaz-ly6yx
@MohNaz-ly6yx 2 месяца назад
Hey oct7 1000 people, is smaller than 30000 after oct7, oh dont forget before oct7, 7decades of it also
@gordonmcculloch7450
@gordonmcculloch7450 2 месяца назад
@@patrickodea6500 no YOU are not listening. Committing genocides and not caring who sees it vs committing genocide and trying to get away with is the difference in the numbers here. As Finkelstein stated you and you apologists fail to acknowledge "political constraints" in the formula.
@pipers-689
@pipers-689 2 месяца назад
​@@patrickodea6500After witnessing the unfolding genocide, yes, you bet, we're "full of emotion". The problem is you point it out in a dismissive way. You attack the person not the argument. The Zionists dismiss and gaslight and repeat
@theknowledgeseeker9966
@theknowledgeseeker9966 2 месяца назад
"It is so painful to listen to this idiocy." My feeling everytime i hear an Israel supporter talk.
@Wolfboy_109
@Wolfboy_109 2 месяца назад
Oof
@icecream-wf5yb
@icecream-wf5yb 2 месяца назад
I consider every one of em monsters at this point
@seifmasmoudi1739
@seifmasmoudi1739 2 месяца назад
every human can be victim of propaganda. If they help the massacre we can judge them. If they just have an opinion they're more brainwashed zombies than monsters.@@icecream-wf5yb
@angeldust7591
@angeldust7591 2 месяца назад
It's sickening! The lies!!!!
@user-gg5cf8sj9w
@user-gg5cf8sj9w 2 месяца назад
40 beheaded babies, babies in ovens,baby cut from womans womb now there telling the truth?
@happytimeharry363
@happytimeharry363 2 месяца назад
Mr. Broccolini was in way over his head.
@vestibulate
@vestibulate 2 месяца назад
@happytimeharry363 It's a head of Broccoli.
@giglomesh123
@giglomesh123 2 месяца назад
Love to Norm for melting his brain debating with these people no matter how exhaustive it must. Peace to people of Palestine
@gulrukhsalahuddin7710
@gulrukhsalahuddin7710 2 месяца назад
Wow!!! Than why bombing in Raffah boarder when they just receiving aid??? SHAMELESS PEOPLE
@eugenemurtagh2085
@eugenemurtagh2085 2 месяца назад
Offended by everything and ashamed of nothing
@gzimparduzi2027
@gzimparduzi2027 2 месяца назад
I believe it is to scare people. Once people are scared to get aid then Israel could claime that they give the palestinians food but they dont want it.
@optimistx4187
@optimistx4187 2 месяца назад
The bombs are paid by senile Biden, the biggest warcriminal of our time.
@fritznovak4482
@fritznovak4482 2 месяца назад
@@eugenemurtagh2085are you talking about the ummah?
@crafterianinks7219
@crafterianinks7219 2 месяца назад
Nah , he is talking about some steins getting offended for people not supporting their terrorism​@@fritznovak4482
@AlastairjCarruthers
@AlastairjCarruthers 2 месяца назад
"The fact that I ONLY stole his phone and watch is proof that I didn't rob him, because I COULD have taken his wallet too, but didn't"
@Atlas__00
@Atlas__00 2 месяца назад
Yes if you targeted that pocket sure of the fact that a knife was hidden behind the phone.
@AlastairjCarruthers
@AlastairjCarruthers 2 месяца назад
@@Atlas__00 What are you even trying to say here?? I think you stretched that very simple metaphor a bit further than it could take 😂
@Handepsilon
@Handepsilon 2 месяца назад
​@@AlastairjCarruthersto be entirely fair, I can see some merits in that extension, especially since the justification has always been 'tunnel this' or 'stabbing that' or 'stone throwing those'.
@michaeltaberner4079
@michaeltaberner4079 2 месяца назад
Actually what is happening is: you try to rob me, i defend myself, now you cry that i try to assault you and run to the police. That a bette analogy.
@kingsteveo
@kingsteveo 2 месяца назад
This is an unfair debate. A streamer paid by zionist vs a world renowned proffesor 😂
@rafaelh1673
@rafaelh1673 2 месяца назад
Why even bother to waste breath and time in a debate with idiots and savages?
@lightbeings6243
@lightbeings6243 2 месяца назад
Lol true
@thecooked8121
@thecooked8121 2 месяца назад
😂😂😂 yup
@_blank-_
@_blank-_ 2 месяца назад
Who even watches Destiny? Like just go watch CNN like every boomer.
@sarahgirard1405
@sarahgirard1405 2 месяца назад
@@_blank-_you a boomer?
@alabiabdulwasiu6156
@alabiabdulwasiu6156 2 месяца назад
Norman with his way of respectfully abusing those people needs to be studied in school. His his partner laughed 😂😂😂😂
@mgg7756
@mgg7756 2 месяца назад
oh is he mean to these genocide backers? no way we can't have that
@warmperson2007
@warmperson2007 2 месяца назад
Especially in the psyochology department. The guy suffers from a acute pathology which is akin to perverse narcissism. Very good subject for the students !
@ncondeg
@ncondeg 2 месяца назад
Dr. Finkelstein talks the truth, nothing more, nothing less. Israel is a nazi regime.
@Sourmilk69
@Sourmilk69 2 месяца назад
Norman starts abusing people when he can’t counter a point lol
@mgg7756
@mgg7756 2 месяца назад
@@Sourmilk69 you mean you believe destiny made any points at all? Lol
@alizeshan6432
@alizeshan6432 2 месяца назад
"With all due respect, you are such a fantastic moron, it's terrifying. " 😂
@adamgates1142
@adamgates1142 2 месяца назад
Benny laughed because he knew it was true
@michaeltaberner4079
@michaeltaberner4079 2 месяца назад
He laughed cause its the pot calling the kettle black, cause there is no more fantastic of moron than finkledink
@maximomercedes4796
@maximomercedes4796 2 месяца назад
that insult was so eloquently put that it will echo through an eternity...😂😂😂😂
@brycesikes3981
@brycesikes3981 2 месяца назад
Keep focusing on playground Insults and not anything relevant to the topic lmao
@alizeshan6432
@alizeshan6432 2 месяца назад
@brycesikes3981 I did. Still find this insult funny. 😛
@sofarsogood8680
@sofarsogood8680 2 месяца назад
He said Israelis IDF didn't deliberately targeting civilians ? Well hundreds of innocent civilians died when they tried to get aid from aid trucks from shelling of IDF . Is that not deliberately targeting civilians ? There is a video showcasing civilians waving white flag been shoot down by IDF . Is that not deliberately targeting civilians ? While literally civilians in IDF's crosshair not Hamas . And also Christian civilians sniped down by IDF in Gaza church compound. Is that not deliberately targeting civilians ?
@weed22k
@weed22k 2 месяца назад
they'll always use the Hummus excuse. the best way to shut them up is to bring up the West Bank & what's happening there.
@fikarrusdiawan9562
@fikarrusdiawan9562 2 месяца назад
Actually, I think it's true that the IDF was able to massacre 500,000 unarmed people in the Gaza Strip from the starting point up until this very moment... if only the Palestinians armed combat resistance groups had not put up a bloody struggle that really troubled the IDF!
@shovanbijoy7136
@shovanbijoy7136 2 месяца назад
​@@fikarrusdiawan9562It's IGF
@Q8Caffeinated
@Q8Caffeinated 2 месяца назад
What was their excuse again? Oh yeah, "they felt unsafe" 🤦🏻
@carminikander4208
@carminikander4208 2 месяца назад
If ever this is not intentional which it is, then the incompetence of the IDF is so extreme that their vulnerability is cringeworthy Are they so useless and so weak with such poor technology that they can't tell the difference between children and Hamas??? And then they believe they can eradicate Hamas with this level of ability, really? Palestine will be free!!! Despite the genocidal barbarism, the lies, lies, lies and free flow of funding.... public pressure will free Palestine!
@zentootv4687
@zentootv4687 2 месяца назад
Seeing those wannabe geniuses trying to outsmart Norman has me scratching my head in disbelief. Like, seriously? 😂 #NormanAlwaysWins
@m_nch7
@m_nch7 23 дня назад
That's just your confirmation bias.. He's totally detached from the reality inside Israel and was outclassed by Benny Morris
@operasinger2126
@operasinger2126 2 месяца назад
Thank you, Dr. Norman Finkelstein. Thank you for all what you do. Please take care everyone.
@JohnDoe-km9zd
@JohnDoe-km9zd 2 месяца назад
Who is it that keeps suggesting that Destiny is even remotely qualified to be involved in these debates?
@collybeans586
@collybeans586 2 месяца назад
Good question
@UsefulRevolution
@UsefulRevolution 2 месяца назад
He’s cannon fodder for Hasbara
@SuperMovieLvr933
@SuperMovieLvr933 2 месяца назад
You can tell he’s been trained by Israeli propagandists. He repeats their talking points to the letter.
@harnessriscallous7466
@harnessriscallous7466 2 месяца назад
The govt has been laundering credentialism for a long time. The ppl made it concrete by self imposing politeness rules to those deemed more elite.
@mdlatham7
@mdlatham7 2 месяца назад
of course he is qualified, he's an Italian
@user-nx3bm5mf1n
@user-nx3bm5mf1n 2 месяца назад
Israel has always targeted civilians. --- Ze'ev Schiff Israeli Military Historian
@gershommaes902
@gershommaes902 2 месяца назад
Does a single conclusion from a single historian fully inform your point of view, on the basis that the historian is israeli?
@user-nx3bm5mf1n
@user-nx3bm5mf1n 2 месяца назад
Let us not take refuge in comforting sentimentalities. If somebody came to take our land the way we are taking theirs, we would act as they do. ...The land cannot be won by negotiation, but only by conquest. --- Vladimir Jabotinsky Zionist Terror Commander
@schmooplesthesecond5997
@schmooplesthesecond5997 2 месяца назад
Let me guess, everything starts on October 7th? ​@@gershommaes902
@michaeltaberner4079
@michaeltaberner4079 2 месяца назад
And who does hamas target?
@user-nx3bm5mf1n
@user-nx3bm5mf1n 2 месяца назад
@@michaeltaberner4079 Yes, instead of ending its illegal occupation of Palestine, Israel decided to create Hamas as a radical Islamist competitor to the secular PLO, which was making peace offers. For the story, see: Blowback: How Israel Went from Creating Hamas to Bombing It -- Mehdi Hasan
@jasoncarmichael4540
@jasoncarmichael4540 2 месяца назад
The evidence points towards, the fact they are targeting the most vulnerable
@coletteday712
@coletteday712 2 месяца назад
Exactly
@mgg7756
@mgg7756 2 месяца назад
that's 1000% beyond obvious. Only a hardcore zionist like Morris or a complete dumbass like Destiny can say otherwise.
@kyranadrian
@kyranadrian 2 месяца назад
Name me a piece of it.
@jasoncarmichael4540
@jasoncarmichael4540 2 месяца назад
@@kyranadrian there’s literally dozens of videos of Israel’s snipping civilians, unarmed ones , then there’s the trucks of aid being targeted about four or five times , hundreds killed there , hospitals have been invaded many killings in hospitals, with many witnesses, there’s the men trying to get to there little child who had been snipped , the Israelis. Even stole bodies and returned them weeks later , with body parts missing, Israel’s are a sick bunch of fucks
@frozone1973
@frozone1973 2 месяца назад
​​@@kyranadrian That they've dropped bombs equivalent of that dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki is one peice of evidence, that they've dropped more bombs on gaza in 5 months than the US dropped on Iraq in 10 years, that 14k children have been murdered, more than any other conflict in modern history, with a kill rate of children greater than the holocaust! Your willful ignorance is hardly surprising when you've already dehumanised Palestinians yo begin with 🤡
@user-ic7mv6bj4w
@user-ic7mv6bj4w 2 месяца назад
My Finkelstein is the Boss.
@honeyho9890
@honeyho9890 2 месяца назад
Clown jester
@a.a.3291
@a.a.3291 2 месяца назад
​@honeyho9890 get outta here, hasbara. Don't you have Palestinian culture to continue to rob and subdue?
@Lisapink_03
@Lisapink_03 2 месяца назад
Blame isra3L .
@HoldenNY22
@HoldenNY22 2 месяца назад
I never knew that Normal Finklestein is a Bruce Springsteen imitator. What his favorite song- Born in Gaza, Palestine
@quitlying1948
@quitlying1948 2 месяца назад
​@@HoldenNY22his favorite song is I hate Khhhasbaraa
@stevenr5149
@stevenr5149 2 месяца назад
As an American Jew, I often heard my own father talk exactly like Benny Morris in public, then say the most inhuman and despicable things about them in private. Free Palestine. 💔
@huxlee3947
@huxlee3947 2 месяца назад
Thank you for thinking with your own head.
@tactik5903
@tactik5903 2 месяца назад
I would also question the ‘history’ my elders taught me, specifically regarding an event that occurred 75 years ago.
@Swordmas151
@Swordmas151 2 месяца назад
Thank you for standing up against this sick ideology and sharing the truth.
@yonahcitron226
@yonahcitron226 2 месяца назад
As a British Jew with an American Jewish father, I often hear my own father talk exactly like Benny Morris in public, and then continue to talk in the exact same way in private. I'm sorry to hear about the relationship with your father
@DavidDemurs
@DavidDemurs 2 месяца назад
what about you is jewish?
@peschi79
@peschi79 2 месяца назад
For the record, this "like" is for Norm
@SmokedBarbecue
@SmokedBarbecue 2 месяца назад
S*H Destiny brought a side kick but Norm ended up kicking 'em both😂 No harm in exposing how bad some people actually are.
@HappyAppart
@HappyAppart 2 месяца назад
I swear, as i started to feel pain engulf my head, Doctor Finkelstein called this painful as well.
@qasimsreadingcorner149
@qasimsreadingcorner149 2 месяца назад
The streamer thinks if he talks fast he will sound intelligent 😂
@collybeans586
@collybeans586 2 месяца назад
Thats sums him up perfectly
@GildedButterfly
@GildedButterfly 2 месяца назад
It’s the Ben Shapiro method
@harimauindia5775
@harimauindia5775 2 месяца назад
I was reminded of Ben Shapiro when he started talking
@aeric4304
@aeric4304 2 месяца назад
He admits that he talks fast out of habit, because he gets cut off alot when he debates. As this discussion clearly demonstrated
@tachikoma7757
@tachikoma7757 2 месяца назад
"It is painful to hear this idiocy". No one can argue about that.
@peacedove9513
@peacedove9513 2 месяца назад
IT'S NOT A WAR WHEN ONLY OBE SIDE HAS WEPONS 😢😢😢
@tengu8560
@tengu8560 2 месяца назад
This statement doesn’t even make sense. Although twisting it to the extremes of metaphorical and rethorical language it could make sense
@HadiAli-jw5in
@HadiAli-jw5in 2 месяца назад
“Boo hoo, our side is weaker, you should let us attack you and not do anything” Typical Arab, as effective in war as a paper clip
@MillionaireRobot
@MillionaireRobot 19 дней назад
@@HadiAli-jw5in LOVE U
@zb2119
@zb2119 2 месяца назад
Only Finkelst3in can talk to them in their own language. Anyone else would have just left. "He talked about the nuke in a questinable way" like what does that even mean. Anything that breathes over their is Hamas and everyone over here is just engaging in humour and sarcasm?
@Nameless.Hermit
@Nameless.Hermit 2 месяца назад
Destiny really said to Finklestien "you can Google it" if this was a lighter subject that would have had me laughing for a while!
@xpedisinusantara7758
@xpedisinusantara7758 2 месяца назад
Funny how the Zionist use RU-vid and Goodle as their source of evidence and its no wonder why they lose in ICJ 😂
@aeric4304
@aeric4304 2 месяца назад
Norm probably should Google something for once especially after proclaiming that he reads up on UN law constantly and not knowing what dolus specialis is. Which is the most important component when arguing whether or not genocide has been committed
@Nameless.Hermit
@Nameless.Hermit 2 месяца назад
@@aeric4304 well Israel has been sanctioned for genocide now so you're using a moot point
@aeric4304
@aeric4304 2 месяца назад
@Nameless.Hermit Nothing is going to come about this. So it ain't moot and even Rabanni himself said that we would get a definitive answer in the coming years in this same debate.
@Aminah6623
@Aminah6623 2 месяца назад
Morris is talking about the power of Israeli weapons and then arguing that Hamas is an existential threat, it's really dumb
@Pomeray8
@Pomeray8 2 месяца назад
Umberto Ecco made a list exposing this f@scist logic: the enemy has to be both weaker and stronger at the same time.
@Cradleling
@Cradleling 2 месяца назад
If someone wants to kill you and your family, but you have 300 weapons in your house, you are still living with an existential threat. So before calling something dumb, how about trying to understand it first?
@AhmadSaada-lm5kp
@AhmadSaada-lm5kp 2 месяца назад
@@Cradleling Except that the 'existential threat' you are describing is coming from the owner of the land you have stolen.
@Cradleling
@Cradleling 2 месяца назад
@@AhmadSaada-lm5kp If the land is stolen or not, is a long discussion. It is by no means a fact. It still doesn't change the fact that you are living with an existential threat. None of the people living in Israel today was the people that created Israel. You people are either stupid or you just want more war.
@evangrey4737
@evangrey4737 2 месяца назад
@@CradlelingIsrael is the existential threat.
@user-ip1rj5fu3l
@user-ip1rj5fu3l 2 месяца назад
As usual trying to defend the indefensable, it is so pathetic and disgusting .a nation of liars.
@Stop-and-listen
@Stop-and-listen 2 месяца назад
Zionism is an ideology based on lies, deceit, theft, death, and destruction.
@shovanbijoy7136
@shovanbijoy7136 2 месяца назад
Yeah
@Sourmilk69
@Sourmilk69 2 месяца назад
Do you defend Hamas
@RogerRocks
@RogerRocks 2 месяца назад
"it is so painful to listen to such idiocy". Even more if you are a starving Palestinian.
@bakker071
@bakker071 2 месяца назад
“Destiny is a fantastic moron” couldn’t have said it better myself Mr Finkelstein
@flaror3496
@flaror3496 2 месяца назад
What's fantastic about his idiocy?
@sowianskiwojownik5973
@sowianskiwojownik5973 2 месяца назад
@@flaror3496 It's just a funny description of Destiny from Finkelstein.
@Sa-hi5nq
@Sa-hi5nq 2 месяца назад
It is soooooo painful to listen to the idiocy, especially when sooooo many suffer because of a few.
@user-wb6xw7mn9e
@user-wb6xw7mn9e 2 месяца назад
Destiny debated Norman with absolutely no eloquence. It's almost painful to listen to him talk.
@shadeofape2470
@shadeofape2470 2 месяца назад
Norm the same moron that decided to start using ad hominem’s because he’s a moron
@rokasdobrovolskis
@rokasdobrovolskis 2 месяца назад
Social media gave stupid people a global platform.
@shereebrooks8401
@shereebrooks8401 2 месяца назад
This man Benny is a deplorable joke. You tell him Norman.
@SuperMovieLvr933
@SuperMovieLvr933 2 месяца назад
As bad as he is Destiny is so much worse. At least Morris is literate.
@DavidDemurs
@DavidDemurs 2 месяца назад
finkelfuck quotes him constantly and cites his research all the time, so if he's a joke, finky is a joke
@damndeb
@damndeb 2 месяца назад
It’s sad because Benny used to be a critical historian. The First Intifada has given him existential dread and he’s turned to embrace and justify genocide. Destiny is an obvious joke, but a previously respected professor by his side gives Mr. Borelli credit and the combo of them is disgusting.
@thundervoid420
@thundervoid420 2 месяца назад
​@@damndebActually, it was the Second Intifada that turned his perception around. It really is sad to see such a well educated and esteemed man defend such hateful rhetoric.
@damndeb
@damndeb 2 месяца назад
@@thundervoid420 excuse me, I mistyped. Thanks and solidarity
@diesterntaler
@diesterntaler 2 месяца назад
It's so painful listening to this idiocy. Well said
@cheetah5261
@cheetah5261 2 месяца назад
Bro I can’t i just can’t understand that when something is obvious they still lied i see why the smart ones dies or tortured by idiots
@PERRYTHEPROPHET
@PERRYTHEPROPHET 2 месяца назад
"With all due respect, you're such* a fantastic moron." Norm is a Rockstar
@adamesd3699
@adamesd3699 2 месяца назад
I used to respect professor Benny Morris. I read some of his work and it was quite deep. But since around 2001 his thinking has taken a very dark turn. Here for example, he calls children “Hamas snakes”. This has become his mentality. It is indefensible.
@rplea
@rplea 2 месяца назад
That’s a mistake in the auto-translate. He’s saying “ Hamasniks”.
@adamesd3699
@adamesd3699 2 месяца назад
@@rpleaThanks. I was surprised at the snakes part. Your explanation makes more sense.
@anivibes2968
@anivibes2968 2 месяца назад
Sorry but who is stupid enough to Debate Norman Finkelstein? The one that can put even Ben Shapiro and Peterson in their place
@Ssssssmmmmmmmmm
@Ssssssmmmmmmmmm 2 месяца назад
Putting Ben Shapiro there is diminishing Dr. Finkelstein. Shapiro can only debate college kids. He’s been afraid of debating Dr. Finkelstein.
@_blank-_
@_blank-_ 2 месяца назад
Putting Destiny or Benny Morris there, is diminishing Finkelstein.
@ChronicUnderachiever420
@ChronicUnderachiever420 2 месяца назад
Lol, Benny Shabibo is a joke and Peterson is too busy huffing his own farts to understand normal human emotion.
@DaWozzMan
@DaWozzMan 2 месяца назад
I would like to see him educate Dr. Peterson. Peterson was much more on point before his illness. Now, he is listening uncritically to his right wing friends like Shapiro and Denis Prager, who spout BS on a daily basis.
@mgg7756
@mgg7756 2 месяца назад
"EVEN" Ben Shapiro and Peterson? Dude those are Daily Wire hacks, these people can't debate anyone, besides kids maybe. They suck. Benny Morris is a much more worthy opponent, even if he's of course a lying zionist. Then about Destiny, you're correct, but he's made a career out of being stupid, so I guess it's fitting.
@Mac-ix4qp
@Mac-ix4qp 2 месяца назад
Revisionist Historian submitting his working draft for the Gaza Genocide ahead of time. Morris is a clown.
@heatherbrown384
@heatherbrown384 2 месяца назад
Norman Finkelston (on Israel): "I don't want to get inside their heads" 🤣
@shovanbijoy7136
@shovanbijoy7136 2 месяца назад
That society is sick
@harimauindia5775
@harimauindia5775 2 месяца назад
Nor do I
@DaWozzMan
@DaWozzMan 2 месяца назад
I fully respect that position. As someone fascinated by psychology and who trained as a psychotherapist, I find their victim mindset intriguing.
@celestesmith6060
@celestesmith6060 2 месяца назад
If you understand a psychopath might that not indicate that you were a psychopath yourself. Well spoken Professor Finkelstein. I love the man so much...he is an inspiration.
@Henrik46
@Henrik46 2 месяца назад
But you want to get inside the heads of a population that supported the Oct 7 massacre? Antisemitism again.
@awalk5177
@awalk5177 2 месяца назад
What has happened to humanity ? Thousands of children have been killed and many civilians. They are NOT HAMAS. Palestinians are being treated, for decades, like the Warsaw ghetto which is ironic and tragic. They are fenced in and not allowed to travel or work. Unemployment in Gaza is 43% and they have less food than is possible to sustain a human. Japan and Nazis did this with prisoners in WWII, captive and starved.
@AndrewTube
@AndrewTube 2 месяца назад
the world now knows the hypocrisy that is being portrayed. a whole generation is now growing up understanding who is the perpetrator of these atrocities against the palestinians and who enables them
@jawad9757
@jawad9757 2 месяца назад
humanity is forgotten when money and racial hatred are involved
@frankie_goestohollywood
@frankie_goestohollywood 2 месяца назад
Sick, sick, sick!!! 🤢🤮
@Kenan-Z
@Kenan-Z 2 месяца назад
Trying to keep your calm in the face of such callous disregard for the lives of Palestinians, such a gross distortion of reality, and those cold-blooded lies is itself a Herculean task. Prof. Finkelstein once more gained my deepest respects.
@aeric4304
@aeric4304 2 месяца назад
Gee if only the organization overseeing our population worth 10 figures cared about their citizens. Surrounding Arab countries have used Palestinians like prostitutes as Frontlines for their wars and they never get called out
@ardinhajihil8935
@ardinhajihil8935 2 месяца назад
Lying is their second nature. There will be justice for these people, on this side or the next.
@lightbeings6243
@lightbeings6243 2 месяца назад
Benny morris is lying or in delusion.
@Gentleman_Willy
@Gentleman_Willy 2 месяца назад
Israelis usually suffer both.
@user-cp7gh8zj6b
@user-cp7gh8zj6b 2 месяца назад
It's both
@munyathedreamer
@munyathedreamer 2 месяца назад
I feel secondhand embarrassment for Destiny😂
@collybeans586
@collybeans586 2 месяца назад
I feel embarressed for Destiny too. Everytime i see him
@_blank-_
@_blank-_ 2 месяца назад
Why is he like that? What's the appeal of being such a buffoon shilling for the rich and powerful? When did being a neoliberal """"centrist"""" become cool?
@Gentleman_Willy
@Gentleman_Willy 2 месяца назад
I don't. Just disgust
@joshuaallen9501
@joshuaallen9501 2 месяца назад
How? He countered everything norman said and norman resorted to ad hominen attacks.
@tokenetta8070
@tokenetta8070 2 месяца назад
For as smart as Destiny is, idk how he fails at something so obvious.
@moj1338
@moj1338 2 месяца назад
Benny Morris has to learn to shut up and listen.
@JackFlashP
@JackFlashP 2 месяца назад
"From that angle, you can not see the size." Conversation over. You can't converse with an evil person.
@SkeletonModel91
@SkeletonModel91 2 месяца назад
Did Destiny really call Norman Finkelstein “Finkel-stinker” towards the end? That was so cringe. What a pair of lying clowns.
@shehannanayakkara4162
@shehannanayakkara4162 2 месяца назад
The context was that Norm kept strangely mispronouncing Destiny's last name in different ways throughout the debate, in this clip he said Mr Borelli instead of his actual name (Mr Bonnell). During the debate he also said Barelli, Morelli, Borrell and Berelli.
@HarryS77
@HarryS77 2 месяца назад
​@@shehannanayakkara41621) He's old. 2) He doesn't care about some motormouthed streamer.
@blindphoenix
@blindphoenix 2 месяца назад
​@shehannanayakkara4162 the funny part is that he got the right name the second time, then progressively gets the name more wrong. BTW people should read up on the 4 kids and the shack, you'll see why Norman was so offended at the end
@Cradleling
@Cradleling 2 месяца назад
@@HarryS77 If he didn't care then why on earth did he show up to debate him?
@HarryS77
@HarryS77 2 месяца назад
@@Cradleling 1) Norm will go on pretty much any outlet. 2) Benny Morris.
@fgv1001
@fgv1001 2 месяца назад
Finkelstein has all the facts. Nobody beats him, ever.
@billystronk4251
@billystronk4251 2 месяца назад
Finkelstein only says he has all the facts but doesn't want to discuss anything in depth. Just starts screeching and calling people names. It's pathetic
@dimtool4183
@dimtool4183 2 месяца назад
@@billystronk4251Cope.
@heebiejeebies4625
@heebiejeebies4625 2 месяца назад
There's countless of historians and almost every nation of the world reaching the same conclusion as norm. You can ask for facts all you want but that's all that's ever been provided and the zionist position deliberately throws up their arms feigning ignorance. If you want to act like an idiot than you should certainly be prepared to be called one.
@Kriby-is-a-man
@Kriby-is-a-man Месяц назад
@@billystronk4251your ego is
@kennethhymes9734
@kennethhymes9734 2 месяца назад
Fascists lie.
@TheCullousus
@TheCullousus 2 месяца назад
Sadly we have some in our gov right now in America.
@Henrik46
@Henrik46 2 месяца назад
Indeed. Hamas has lied constantly about the death toll. They are islamo-fascists
@dimtool4183
@dimtool4183 2 месяца назад
@@TheCullousus Yep, mostly the republicans tho, get them out.
@seunlider4006
@seunlider4006 2 месяца назад
Finally, someone who exposed this idiocity for what it is.!!!!
@Bromitos0313
@Bromitos0313 2 месяца назад
He said partner the way I say little shit Edit: got through the whole video, Finklestein threw down the windmill dunk in the last 10 seconds.
@olympic_productions
@olympic_productions 2 месяца назад
Hahaha
@MohNaz-ly6yx
@MohNaz-ly6yx 2 месяца назад
Hey oct7 1000 people, is smaller than 30000 after oct7, oh dont forget before oct7, 7decades of it also
@harimauindia5775
@harimauindia5775 2 месяца назад
Surely that wasn't deliberate targeting of civilians 🤔
@MohNaz-ly6yx
@MohNaz-ly6yx 2 месяца назад
@@harimauindia5775 surely like the idf&eu claim they not doing it deliberate also, but we all know dont we
@harimauindia5775
@harimauindia5775 2 месяца назад
@@MohNaz-ly6yx exactly. By Benny Morris's own logic, October 7th wasn't targeting civilians
@sweetsarah226
@sweetsarah226 2 месяца назад
H@mas, thanks to the Israelis, has become the lesser of two evils, no matter what the Israelis say
@badreedinebedro
@badreedinebedro 2 месяца назад
@@harimauindia5775hostages where actually said the where treated well and feed well by Hamas and not single one hair was touche from so Israel really didn’t like that so the threatened there own hostages to stay quite
@zam9791
@zam9791 2 месяца назад
Wth this guy can keep a straight face saying that. Unbelievable!
@marcusdosh408
@marcusdosh408 2 месяца назад
Evil evil ppl.....
@salmamagdy4868
@salmamagdy4868 2 месяца назад
"You're such a fantastic moron" 😂😂😂😂
@operasinger2126
@operasinger2126 2 месяца назад
Thank you to all those who are trying to bring peace to the world.
@nigeljoseph5472
@nigeljoseph5472 2 месяца назад
Destiny's child: if he ever has one, Destiny will be asked "Dad, were you called a fantastic moron and accused of amazing idiocy in front of milions of people?"
@huxlee3947
@huxlee3947 2 месяца назад
Lol
@TazKidNoah
@TazKidNoah 2 месяца назад
he has a child😂
@charriot9666
@charriot9666 2 месяца назад
Smurf hair ain't really capable of raising a baby
@Metonymy1979
@Metonymy1979 2 месяца назад
He has a tween son
@_blank-_
@_blank-_ 2 месяца назад
Destiny has a son and his son even roasts him hard. Even from the most polluted soil, a flower can bloom.
@Axhar1
@Axhar1 2 месяца назад
His fear of getting caught at every step lead him to speak over Norman, what is astomishing every point he threw to digress the discussion, Norman has a counter for it. And then there is destiny the ultimate contrarian, he would debate you with 0 knewledge, you can debate destiny by standing in braod day light on the topic of whether its day or night....
@aeric4304
@aeric4304 2 месяца назад
Not really, in most situations destiny qualifies the fact that he knows he knows little about certain topics and that information is subject to change, and I believe he even states that in debate ... there were times when Norm or Rabanni didn't exactly have good rebuttals
@favourbridgette1939
@favourbridgette1939 2 месяца назад
Where are NETANYAHU’s children? Are they fighting in the War?
@DanielDelToro808
@DanielDelToro808 2 месяца назад
When my kid will ask : Who is you inspiration growing up ? I reply : Norm Finkelstein , Noam Chomsky and Nelson Mandela !
@ekawahyuwidodo9247
@ekawahyuwidodo9247 2 месяца назад
WTF IS DESTINY DOING THERE FFS
@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721
@sixmillionaccountssilenced6721 2 месяца назад
It's called riding on a zionist financial cloud...
@rizwansardar2347
@rizwansardar2347 2 месяца назад
Will more than 30000 is small numbers for this Israeli historian whose country wanted repeat the Nabaka by doing 'Amalak', then imagine among the dead will be your own son, daughter, wife, mother or father. If he feels the pain of the Palestinians among the death of his own family members then he will understand the truth of lossing the loved once.
@sultanskinny
@sultanskinny 2 месяца назад
Morris and destiny: “For someone to have bombed those children they would have to need approval and consent from a sophisticated chain of command from the top of the Israeli army. They don’t just randomly bomb people.” Rabbani and Finkelstien: “exactly!”
@moritzt.4986
@moritzt.4986 2 месяца назад
They fundamentally misunderstood their own claim about the bombing (basically implying it’s single kill hungry IDF pilots). Rabbani claimed that „its pretty chaotic“ and didn‘t know about the chain of command that is necessary for such bombing, wich he himself admitted. The amount of people that think Norm made a good figure here is astounding. What i see is a bunch of: interrupting, ad hominem attacks, appeal to authority and stating that he has read everything there is (without any actual engagement in the matter).
@sultanskinny
@sultanskinny 2 месяца назад
@@moritzt.4986 norm told destiny that you made my argument better than I did. And he was ultimately right. Destiny and Morris got spanked. Not only because they are disingenuous with the facts (morris) and ignorant on the subject (destiny) but because fundamentally every argument they made was objectively stupid.
@moritzt.4986
@moritzt.4986 2 месяца назад
@@sultanskinny fascinating conclusion. So first they were wrong about their initial claim - fundamentally misunderstanding the process/chain of command of bombings. Then they backpedaled with: i might not know the details but if it wasn’t as i initially claimed it must be even worse. Man that totally convinces me.
@sultanskinny
@sultanskinny 2 месяца назад
@@moritzt.4986I don’t think you understand what was being said. Morris tried to make the case that israel does not intentionally target civilians (something that Israeli commanders have already admitted to since the 40s it’s policy). He argues this by saying well they could have killed more than just 30000 which is such a childish argument to begin with it really shouldn’t even be entertained. Norman tried to explain the political constraints of just nuking (as one Israeli minister suggested) all of Gaza. Then destiny tries to argue the details over the bombing of 4 kids claiming it wasnt intentional because there is a chain of command and it was a Hamas base. Norman than rightfully calls destiny a fantastic moron. Not only was his reporting wrong on it being a Hamas base, but even if we were to say it was destiny would be arguing that a sophisticated chain of command with lawyers even consented to the bombing of 4 kids. Thus as Norman puts it making the point better than he could. Idk if you saw the rest of the debate but there are multiple instances where Morris and destiny have to fight their own arguments due to how stupid they are. There’s not much debate over who won the debate. Destiny and Morris have been proven irrelevant to the conversation of Israel and Palestine
@sultanskinny
@sultanskinny 2 месяца назад
@@moritzt.4986 rábbani wasn’t arguing that it was messy he asked Morris to clarify his understanding of the IDF as he understood it and he never gets a chance to formulate a new argument due to the constant interruptions by Morris ( who knows rabbani was going to dismantle his argument). Norman already took care of that whole question of the Israelis intentionally killing civilians ( something they have admitted to since the 40s) by using destiny’s own argument. Its not a fascinating conclusion. It’s the only conclusion. Destiny and Morris were rendered intellectually irrelevant not just by virtue of their dishonesty and ignorance on the facts but most importantly their inability to think of rational arguments to support their position. They didn’t just fail here they failed through out the debate
@MrJonathanainsworth
@MrJonathanainsworth 2 месяца назад
“Only 30,000 civilians” - Why are these people not being called Extremists?
@marshmellow.2886
@marshmellow.2886 2 месяца назад
Because that would be anti semitic😂
@xIcyStarzz-yz7my
@xIcyStarzz-yz7my 2 месяца назад
In the four months of the Ukraine conflict, that same number of civilian casualties wouldn't be met. This wouldn't be a problem, except Isreal is using gear that's TOP of the line everything, best sensors, best targeting, nothing from the last 5 or 10 years that's for certain. Those guys get GPS, Satellite, they have access to the missles that don't explode (They chop people up), they have option after option after option for "precision" but yet here we are at now some 100 journalists, and 30k women/children, something doesn't add up. That's more than Ukraine conflict, and the problem with that is that Russia is using OLD, WW2 tech with NO aiming, NO targeting, no sensor.. They have to manually set in the coordinates and even then, their gun barrels are so worn that most of their artillary is not "precision" it's anything BUT precision.. Yet, the casualty rate compared to Isreal is staggering. Keep in mind, Ukraine conflict mostly boil down to urban areas.. To which, we see entire cities just completely erased from the map. I mean every single standing building is sitting in a puddle of it'self. It's absolutely insane, and they're using such old tech like everything of their missles have to be "dumb" fired and it makes sense because ALOT of Russian military is literally prisoners, homeless people, or conscripts and alot of them are just drunk or plain stupid they ain't got any sense. So when the soldiers like Russians get into Ukraine city they literally just mow down everything but have shown restraint when it comes to civilians, ? This means one of two things; Either Isreal Soldiers are really, really incredibly inept , dumb, stupid.. Or, they have the BEST weapons, best gear, best targeting and still managing to rack up civilian count mostly Journalists/civilians, as if that was their actual target or the target is "anything".
@septiilham8715
@septiilham8715 2 месяца назад
very well said 👍👍👍
@xIcyStarzz-yz7my
@xIcyStarzz-yz7my 2 месяца назад
just wish the best for Palestinians I hope this time they have justice instead of just more world turning its head.. they asked Ukrainians to make Molotovs... They asked palestinians to give up @@septiilham8715
@shovanbijoy7136
@shovanbijoy7136 2 месяца назад
Well said
@Marijan510
@Marijan510 2 месяца назад
Russians using old tech? no targeting? russian military full of drunks and homeless? you have no idea what you talking about, but your heart is in right place
@olympic_productions
@olympic_productions 2 месяца назад
Thank God for brains such as Finkelstein’s..
@hannibaltawerghi6502
@hannibaltawerghi6502 2 месяца назад
I fear for Mr. Finkelstein health, debating such idiots sure is painful and bad for health, it's best if he spends most of his time presenting his points to people who are at least on the fence if not on the same boat
@leonardmccannon3136
@leonardmccannon3136 2 месяца назад
I had to laugh out loud when Norman called Morris an incredible moron. The reason is because I know Norman is auch a stickler for evidence and accuracy when he makes statements of fact. LMAO.
@manj2482
@manj2482 2 месяца назад
Love Norman Finklestein. Always speaking truth. Fearless man. Always listen to his every word.
@aklimaney3330
@aklimaney3330 2 месяца назад
Norman shouldn't even bother.. you can't make idiots see sense
@786Khany786
@786Khany786 2 месяца назад
Destiny 😭😭😭
@skytate8789
@skytate8789 2 месяца назад
They really seem to have forgotten What Titus as well as Nebuchednezzar did to them.
@damndeb
@damndeb 2 месяца назад
Not all of them. Only the zionists, and zionists don’t have to be Israelis or Jews (lots of Western, especially US sending all that money and them weapons, governments are Zionist). There’s lots of protest by Jews around the world who say this genocide is not committed in their name. We’ve got to keep that shit separated to not tumble into hatred and discrimination ourselves as well
@IstanaAnginWorldwide
@IstanaAnginWorldwide 2 месяца назад
Norman playing a bad cop is awesome. Ben Shapiro still hiding. Bassem waiting for him.
@vasimajeddy6572
@vasimajeddy6572 2 месяца назад
Dr. Norman Finkelstein is simply the best.
@AliMohamed-gi1tt
@AliMohamed-gi1tt 2 месяца назад
May almighty defeat soon this man saying 30t is small number!
@YounessHALIMI-fy2zh
@YounessHALIMI-fy2zh 2 месяца назад
They are indeed targetting civilians, but they try that not look like..
@colabcomotions
@colabcomotions 2 месяца назад
Thank you Mr.Finklestrin....❤
@vestibulate
@vestibulate 2 месяца назад
Why would a man call himself "Destiny"?
@alabiabdulwasiu6156
@alabiabdulwasiu6156 2 месяца назад
Please how can i watch the full podcast?
@yorhaserene8604
@yorhaserene8604 2 месяца назад
it's on a channel called lex Friedman
@czujnyhugo
@czujnyhugo 2 месяца назад
its on lex fridman channel
@ahmeda.3198
@ahmeda.3198 2 месяца назад
Thank you, I’m interested also.
@KingTaupCreatives
@KingTaupCreatives 2 месяца назад
So 500k can be called civilian and 30K is not a civilian?😅😅😅
@princessdairy1568
@princessdairy1568 2 месяца назад
They have never accepted anything they do. Then why do they keep on needing more and more ammunation for fighting with small army.
@vladimirdosen6677
@vladimirdosen6677 2 месяца назад
It's amazing how streamer gamers and some randoms debate conflicts they know next to nothing about.
@badreedinebedro
@badreedinebedro 2 месяца назад
yeah streamers should stay away from Gaza and politics
@moj1338
@moj1338 2 месяца назад
Destiny calling Norman Finkelstein Mr. Finkle-Stinker! What an absolute child, and he calls himself a progressive?
@wawaweewa9159
@wawaweewa9159 2 месяца назад
He has no morality or principles other than to just be as big of a degenerate psycho as possible, a dead heart.
@manj2482
@manj2482 2 месяца назад
This man will reside in heaven. He never deviates from the truth.
@martinsapsitis4292
@martinsapsitis4292 2 месяца назад
Wake up Benny, 30000 fatality demonstrates a lack of tactical skill to get a job done. This is criminal!
@dendenju
@dendenju 2 месяца назад
tq dr Norman Finkelstein
@Belgian_sugarlatte
@Belgian_sugarlatte 2 месяца назад
Dangerous game 🎯
@zainhussain1420
@zainhussain1420 2 месяца назад
Questionable or not, if you were in a position of power, everything you say needs to be taken seriously. And he said to drop an atomic bomb 3 TIMES?! The hell is wrong with these people!
@wandamoon7639
@wandamoon7639 2 месяца назад
Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing !!
@654kyu
@654kyu 2 месяца назад
Dahiya Doctrine
@ayabdulla
@ayabdulla 2 месяца назад
The biggest insult is that Benny is a propagandist... I mean professor.
@ArizonaRed
@ArizonaRed 2 месяца назад
Yes and he tried to interrupt all the time!😡
@MohamedAhmed-il2bx
@MohamedAhmed-il2bx 2 месяца назад
What the hell is this man called Boris talking about he is lacking sense of humor.
@HarryS77
@HarryS77 2 месяца назад
Benny Morris was probably the first Israeli historian to catalogue and reveal in detail the enormity of the Nakba. In later years his attitude changed from seeing the Nakba as a tragic human rights disaster to an unfortunate but necessary step in the Zionist project.
@ValerieBates-hw8ty
@ValerieBates-hw8ty 2 месяца назад
God's chosen monsters!
@salvatori307
@salvatori307 2 месяца назад
Benny Netanyahu
@Offa7a
@Offa7a 2 месяца назад
😂😂😂😂😂 omg
@diogenes.
@diogenes. 2 месяца назад
Destiny should sue Finkelstein for child abuse..
@TheMiketyson9
@TheMiketyson9 2 месяца назад
What did he do?
@anaonymous-ct6uy
@anaonymous-ct6uy 2 месяца назад
Where can I watch the full video?
@bluetelecaster88
@bluetelecaster88 2 месяца назад
Lex Friedman channel
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