BERNARDS TWP. NEW JERSEY 2ND ALARM WORKING FIRE 9/12/16 FULLY INVOLVED TOWNHOUSE APARTMENTS 

That's for your thoughts. Hooks and Irons. Good job. I did it for years. None of it is easy, especially in full turnouts on a nice warm day. Thanks for your service brother, and stay safe!

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@Steve White - It would appear that way. But for a lot of different departments there are different reasons. You never see NYFD, Baltimore City, DC or LAFD taking their time, I tell you what! LOL A lot of it comes down to training and "Chain of Command" understanding. When everyone knows what they are supposed to do, after size up occurs, everyone gets to work. But if that same "down the line" theory isn't taught early, you get a lot of firefighters standing around waiting for their assignments. Sadly though, fire doesn't wait to see what everyone else is going to do. ;^) And sorry if I left any departments out, but those are among the ones that I am most familiar. I'm sure others can add to that. Chicago Fire probably operates pretty efficiently as well.

I been seen fews fire videos n I seen the FF they not rashing to stop the fire out of homes , n they take their time to get ready n the fire keep spreading to the whole place on fire by the time the FF finishing put the fire out the whole place it's gone with the fire..

Steve White There is usually a good reason for it and one of them is *If you are one of those people who don't send donation to their local fire station, then their fire station may or may not go to their house to put the fire out.* I learned that from someone who volunteered at a fire station as fire fighter.

You never run on a fire seen is what I was taught

I really did feel sorry for that dude. He was in full gear when he fell & the camera caught the fall. I know that dude was hurt. His back his chest, his ribs, lungs. To just by pass like he doesn't even care. Heartless. Capt. Dick didn't have an air tank or mask so he shouldn't heave been in there anyway. He is about to become a victim himself. That fire kicked this crews ass. Everyone of them.

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They made mist to cool and wet the roof of the next building.

The Grass needed watering.

@@ivanivanov2164 stop it , stop it now. No stupid excuses please. The bulk of the fire is through the roof, the only place that fire is spreading is, upward. That Master stream was over-shooting the objective spot.

​@@fmartinjr Why stupid? Most probably they would do better by hitting the bulk from aerials which I didn't see in the vid. When an inferno grows to flashover, it spreads in all ways due to high temperature, not the direction of flame. In this case it was a good decision to focus on localizing the fire from ouside and inside the house, and not on hitting the bulk.

@@ivanivanov2164 the spread of all directions had been over, the bulk has already vented through the roof! Like I said, there was too much over-shooting at the bulk of fire. And I don't think you're stupid, just the reasoning you gave for this master stream operation.

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Ron Bradley you people are such critics.. but know nothing about how it’s all done.. there is a purpose to the mayhem.

I'm a armchair firefighter myself.

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it's called profit. build as cheap as possible and sell as expensive as possible. common problem that only get worse year after year.

I would never live in those cheap American card board houses.

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Glad to hear this. All firefighters are dedicated and want to be professional. Otherwise, why bother right? The job has so many subtleties that a video can't really capture everything. There is a lot more to it than just "spray and pray." I do think they did a good job, considering what they faced when they arrived. Thanks for your thoughts and observations bro!

@@charmcitytoe Great to see the police officers were even pulling lines @ 2:30

We used to train so we were ready to suit up and enter a building in 60 seconds. Almost always had full gear on by the time we reached the fire.

Not true Kavboi, you are probably looking at a volunteer department, probably a bunch of teenagers. Their chiefs are just older versions of them. For the most part they are taught to surround and drown the fire from the out side. Larger, paid department members spend many months just in training before they are allowed to touch a hose. These volunteers all have nice equipment but sadly they don't how to use it to it's fullest potential.

Kavboi 66 I noticed they were delayed in their efforts, my father was a past fire chief, some of what this showed would have greatly distressed him., however, I have the greatest respect for firefighters, many lives have been saved by the efforts of firefighters!

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Earthworms. They wanted to go fishing after the fire.

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I could be wrong, but it looked like they were trying to cool the surrounding area so it wouldn't spread to the other units as fast

Looks like suppression to me - keep flaming bits from flying off the apartment and possibly spreading the fire to neighboring buildings. Their first goal is NOT to save the apartments involved - they're long gone - it's to protect life, then keep the fire from further spreading. They also were cooling the roof of the units on the other side of the firewall, to try and keep the fire from jumping it. Once they had a "firewall" (ha, ha) of cool around the site of the fire, the hose teams moved in to knock it down internally.

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Looks like they were doing a primary search at the time, no hoses...

Pretty sure ceiling came down on primary crew. Rewind and watch. He and others looks like they bailed. This is terrible. No master streams. No monitors.

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Because he is fat & didn't like to walk far. He also is super human & can walk up into burning apartments with heavy fire & smoke with no mask & air tank. He lets his heavy boots do the work for him just like he stumped on the poor firefighter that fell down the stairs when the roof collapse. Stomped on him & told him to get the hell out of there.

Tommy G … any idea what the "real" response time is from when the actual FF's are notified in America (not including the major cities on the East Coast and West Coast). 9 minutes. Do you know how long it takes for someone that sees a major event that requires the FD to make the decision to be the person to call 911? 3 minutes. Do you know how long it takes for the call taker to transfer you to the proper Dispatcher, ONCE they've taken your information? 2 minutes. Do you know how long it takes the FD Dispatcher to take YOUR information AGAIN, then hang up, then let the CAD dispatch the appropriate units? 2-3 more minutes. So Tommy G … if you're the person calling 911, it's a 14 to 15 minute response. These facts are based on NIOSH & NAFTA. It's a sad state of affairs when the public is busy blaming the people who are going to save their homes, 85% of these FF's nationwide being Volunteer. Does the public feel better antagonizing those that enter burning homes in the middle of the night, getting paid 0 and many, many more than the public knows are killed in the LODD doing so. The house was on fire before anyone called. They're going to take every safety precaution, the house was on fire when they got there. Then they'll do their best. Unless you're ready to be part of the solution, stay quiet while you're part of the problem.

Wow, son. Get defensive much? I only asked about the possible response times, since you were there and all. But your apparently emotional reply, well that's just plain fiction. Your numbers are made up and your citations (NAFTA? Really?) are laughable. I DO know about all the things you rambled about, that's why I asked. It was clear that first arriving crews faced advanced fire conditions, and there are a few different reasons why that may have happened: delayed reporting of the fire, long response distance, slow turnout time, etc. But all of the excuses you stated are just that, excuses. The "statistics" you "quoted" above are entirely false, fiction, made up, outright bullshit. (Just ask NAFTA, hahahahahaha) Don't try to pin poor daytime VFD response times on 911 call processing. Actual statistics from the real world don't support that. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. All I did was ask about response times. But if that simple question causes you to spring into defensive mode, maybe you should look closer at yourself. And, if you believe that someone asking about the level of service is "part of the problem", well there must really be a problem. So in the future, if John Q. Public questions response times, or anything else, don't make him the bad guy. Don't tell him he's part of the problem. He has the right to question the level of service your department provides because you work for him. Your organisation exists to protect him, his family, his home. If your performance is poor, expect questions.

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We have to keep the grass alive to reduce the carbon footprint that the fire caused.

. . . the water was directed by a blind FF and no one was telling him that he was permanently overshooting the target. . .

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Chris Silcox Exactly.

There is no such thing as a non professonal firefighter. If you dont know the job at hand then its not for you.

Bunch of amateurs.

Liberty corner is all volunteer and the V.A is a paid dept. The difference between them in the vid lighter colored turnout gear is Liberty corner and darker is V.A

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No one likes a brown lawn.

I don't think there is a fire department that understands the need for a Spotter.

BINGO!!! You nailed it. It's VERY hard to see exactly what you're hitting standing behind a deck gun.

I asked a police officer to spot for me years ago. He was on the C-side anyway, so I put him to work. If you give a copper an assignment that doesn't require the need for PPE, they eat it up!

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Skankpronger I Sure he said he was okay. Exaggerating? he got back up.

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Yes indeed! Talk about missing the target!

Or maybe the fire was just fast ... as it usually is in these modern buildings.

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No - all volunteer departments in Jersey are barely functional. Not enough people. At least they watered the lawn.

if you call timber modern, then, yes.

Benjamin Esposti: You mean 'US modern buildings' I suppose. Our (European) buildings don't burn that fast, as most fires are contained within 1 (one!) room because we use modern material: BRICKS This and the fact that the average Eur. FB has the first drop of water within 30 secs (not 3 mins) after engine stop prevent a lot of damage. And we aim our water jets in the fire, not over it ....

Everyone went home, John, and it was a good job, thanks again.

That's amazing, because they were doing just about every thing they could to get themselves hurt....

Why was the cop pulling a line? Why attack from2 different sides? Should have watch everything..... Why use a ground ladder to vent when engine 22 can get close enough to use a stick paid or not if u don't know what your doing you don't know. He pulled that gutter and damn near pulled it on him self for it to hit ground and burn.

Yip. Most of the reported ''minor injuries'' on a fire really are avoidable, one can be lucky for a while but... What really saved the day on this one is the good firewall at the staircase.

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LOL Glad somebody said it! It's a lot harder to do in real time ain't it? LOL

I noticed that. I also saw another guy come down with his mask off and no helmet looking exhausted. I think they were inside when part of that roof collapsed or it got really really hot in there and they backed out. I think that's why the other was on the ground.

Thank you! That's what I've been getting at. Along with @Neal B's comment above. I don't know if they have a 1st due ladder assignment, but that would have helped tremendously.

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I noticed that too and could no longer watch after that. He didn't trip and fall, you can see him roll down the stairs. The other knuckle heads walking by and just looking at him was unacceptable.

Albert Ledesma I know right? I mean I get that they have a job to do and that they may have been from different units, but the others could have at least had the compassion to help him up.

I didn't see a single "team" member that had any tools, my WAG (wild ass guess) is that they were a under trained search team that had 1 or more members run out of air while in the structure

gerald mangus in the description it said that one of the departments was a VA hospital fire dept, I can't imagine they have much previous experience or training, but i could be wrong

They are a career department just like any other. Fully trained mostly prior service guys. Over 20 VA hospital fire departments nationwide wide and many see a good amount of fire, especially first due bc there are usually surrounded by volunteers

If you notice there were four or five more guys in the apartment where the roof collapse just happened. The chief knew that guy who fell was alive he was checking on the others.

I'm With you Wilfred but about 2 years late. I like watching these as they sometimes catch stuff like that. That fireguy took a big fall, he was wearing full gear. Betcha at least bruised ribs and lungs. I know Capt. Dick wants to check on his other fighters, But at least help the guy up. Wears is air tank for Capt. Dick, It's o.k. for to go running up into smoky fire like that with no gear? I do not think so, he should have known better, as he's suppose to be in-charge of what the hell's going on here. Not running around up in the fire trying to check on his guys. Another note, never take your masks off while your running from the smoke & fire. Yea, you can't see, but you take your mask off, now you can't see, & you can't breath. 4 of them guys came down out of there unmasked. That fire kicked their ass. I don't mean to arm chair quarter back, but these guys need some serious hands on training, including the chief. Just a little insight. Very dangerous & glad everyone made it out. I helped a firefighter I seen fall off a ladder at a fire once, nobody else seen him fall, at least 15 feet. Everyone was pissed I jumped in to help out, but I wasn't going to let the guy lay there.

Wilfred Caraballo the dude got back up 2 seconds after. He was on the ground before chief even went up. Prob told him he was fine. Everyone’s a desk chair critic these days.

@@dfl4701Yea Doug, we are arm chair Critics. Watch that fall dude. The guy almost does a back flip down the stairs. Remember he's in full gear with a 40lb air tank. You don't even see the dude after about a minute or so he does get up. It's taking him so long dude, because he's hurt. Inside. Broken Ribs, Lung damage from the fall. After he leaves you don't see him anymore, that's because he trying to walk off the pain. It won't work. The Chief's an "Ass-Hole", If you watch close, it looks like he actually kicks the guy as he steps over him. This "Chief" is a classic idiot. It is ok for him to go stumbling up into a smoky fire with no breathing apparatus , as he is the holly grail. He is not immune to the dangerous smoke that will kill his ass one day. He just likes kicking folks around.

That was a pissed off chief running up those stairs to pull those guys out. Don’t know if radio communications were bad but when ur inside a fire you get tunnel vision and think you can catch it not realizing how much structure is actually on fire. Glad everyone was ok.

jbright97 they were wetting the roof down to keep it from spreading you office chair critic

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They call that "size up" in professional circles. You have to see what it is you are fighting before you just go spraying water on the grass. Most all departments do it, and it is highly recommended by the UL and most International Firefighting Organizations. You might have more property loss, but it cuts down on In The Line of Duty Deaths. I think most of us would agree that this is more important.

Yea, I know the dude who fell down them stairs was hurt. At least bruises from the air tank he was wearing. Maybe even broken ribs. Then his chief comes along & kicks him in the ass while he was laying there moaning. He's going to need a month supply of Advil.

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Because he is the Chief. That's why. He gets to go kick the guy that fell down the stairs after getting hit with the debris from the falling roof. He is the old wise man. The Chief. Nothing could possibly hurt him.

No sense of urgency, right . That's how it's done in some departments.

Hate to clean his bathroom, he better learn to sit when he pees.

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You don't know what you're talking about... There ARE firewalls, they're just not brick or stone because our buildings aren't 500 years old. And brick and stone buildings can still be destroyed by fire.