*FULLY INVOLVED MANSION - EAST NORWICH NY 

Thank you for your service. It drives me insane when I see videos of departments will million dollar trucks performing poorly and everyone in the comments are complaining about volunteers. It just baffles me.

Hey Chief sorry to hear about your underfunded department, hope it changes. Yes they are moving slow but when I looked it more closely I can see they had no water source. My tower runs out of water in about 25 seconds using the aerial and 2 mins using the hand lines. That got me thinking that we don't see the guys on the road securing a water source and they may have run into a challenge. Yes he was great moving the nozzle and knocking down some fire. Guy on the ladder as it was moving was a lesson in darwinism though.

You clearly aren't a firefighter of any sort let alone a "chief".

@@virgilhilts3924 Get back under your bridge troll.

Very slow getting water on fire, hand lines should have been stretched to the rear of the building. Poorly attacked.

absolutely

Agree

I'll agree with you

Nunca em minha vida, vi tanta incompetência! Pensei que era um filme de comédia. Só tem patetas ali!!

Bro as a firefighter you should know this is a total loss. No urgency.

Do they know what caused it? Ugh that’s awful! Poor family😢

It looked like there was a pet sign by one of the doors....were they with you/safe?

​@@tanyaperrin1218 I don't think she's talking about the fire in this video.

Maybe you should go join a fire department and try to speak then.

Agreed. 13m video. First 5 minutes of figuring out how/where to park the truck. At 9th minute finally a 2nd stream of water. How about show up and start throwing water boys? And for 13m some dude with video. Put down the camera and grab a hose. Not impressed.

LOL. Exactly. “Lemme just get this truck backed in here…oh….wait a minute I’m gonna move it forward a bit.”

⁠@@hieronymusbosch6255yeah you try driving a big ass firetruck in a small driveway like that and position the ladder correctly. you people critiquing the professionals 💀

@@jdhrapyou try doing it then instead of whining in the comments

Isn't it amazing what happens when you actually apply water to a fire, who knew ?

@@billbixler8630 lol I know. And honestly, I respect the shit out of these guys and girls, I really do. Sometimes, like once in a blue moon, I just wonder what’s going on. But again, they do a job as volunteers a lot of them, that I appreciate the hell out of them for doing! But get water on that thing boys!! 😂😂😂😂

@@billbixler8630 All that matters is that they save the basement.

Driver sure took his time. They need to practice more. It was more than five minutes after truck pulls up until first water was on fire. Not good fellas.

They're probably letting the fire do as much destruction as possible to help with the insurance claim. If the home is not significantly destroyed, the insurance company won't pay up.

We have local volunteer fire departments in my area, and the less than stellar departments are referred to as "The Cellar Savers."

Yeah, and water too!

Thanks for confirming that you know nothing about firefighting or what is going on in this case. (cue the phony pedigree in 3... 2... 1...)

Truly bizarre. I wonder if that made a differentce to the damage?

Depending on what alarm it is they will fight befor anything else

What's so strange about that?

Sarcasm. That's what they should do.

he have already enohg Money.belive me,HE dont care if your Home burns down.he dont care,

Our family home burned up in 1990. Lost everything as we watched and could do nothing. Yes, a horrible experience that I don't wish upon anyone!

@@BreakerOneNine07 Sucks doesn't it? What made my home fire even more suckier to deal with is my home caught fire and burned on Memorial Day 1985 and the closest fire company was in the holiday parade on the other side of town so it took a different fire company that much longer to get there. My neighbors broke thru 2 basement windows with 2 garden hoses to try and protect the oil barrel from the fire until they were too overcome by smoke to continue. We all escaped but my hamster died of smoke inhalation. I remember the fireman trying to get it air using a straw and gently puffing air into her. You're right, rich or poor, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Such a gut punch to watch.

ME TOO AND IM A FIREMAN

Been there as long as my family was OK nothing else mattered!

It's probably 3 Quints.

@@gillesrenaud6926 Quints are useless looks like, at nearly a million bucks a pop.

Your assertion is complete nonsense

@@gillesrenaud6926 They were not

First floor was already gone.

I agree. Looked like 3rd due laid in but why 2nd didnt is beyond me.

Clearly you need more experience

Laying supply lines can block access for other apparatus and that was a very narrow driveway easy to block. With the size of the structure and amount of fire it was smart to bring in the trucks then hand-jack the supply lines. Big fire needs big water and aerial master streams will deliver the largest amount. This definitely appears to be a defensive operation on arrival and possibly transitioning, but that doesn’t look possible as the video progresses. It’s hard to say or criticize when you have one camera and no other reference. As far as running hand lines, when you are water challenged, you make every gallon count. Hand lines would have had little to no effect so why waste limited resources on something that would not have helped the outcome? This, unfortunately, was a loss on arrival. 😢

This is. Paid department

@@russtompkins943 Nope, it is volunteer

Its painful to see. However not all departments are like this.

Well why don't you become a firefighter and try to change things if you think that's the way it is. You got to remember a bunch of these films you're seeing are volunteer departments and not knocking volunteer departments you've got to remember a lot of departments you got to leave your house or work go to leave your house or work go to the station and get the truck inmate the rest of the firefighters at the scene that takes quite a bit of time

It's a good thing you aren't an actual firefighter or you would be getting fired for uneducated reasoning like that. Given the roof fire load as well as fire on both floors, the aerials were the best tool Especially since the only unit with a pump was busy grabbing the hydrant when the towers arrived I guess in your world the aerials should have just waited on the street until they were finished with the hydrant and laid in a line blocking the driveway along with the front of the structure.... BRILLIANT!

@VIRGIL HILTS I am an actual firefighter and seen fires bigger then this knocked down with 2 1/2 quicker then this. Secondly, no one said anything about not using them and last thing you said they had pumpers on hydrants lol our protocols are pumpers in first drop lines attack fire not pumpers sit wait for them to take an eternity to back in set up while in the mean time the house went fully engulfed

Says the boo boo who's never worked a fire in his life

@@virgilhilts3924 You know the S@#%. Skills of American Firefighters are on level of third world.

I thought the same thing...1st cannon was up and running in 4-5 minutes, second never got going for 12 minutes and all the guys on deck with hoses didnt start squirting til the very end. Looked more like a controlled burn !!

Best equipment but too much slower. In other countries not the best equipment but fast enough to react 😂

You have literally no clue what you are babbling about

The house was already a loss by the time they arrived, so no need for any haste.

​@@BL-jt3qt then no need for any additional funding either. Why spend money on training and new toys if they're just gonna let it burn.

@@BL-jt3qt no haste. If you’re not going to put the fire out as soon as possible then don’t show up. Simple as that. Looks like a lot of lolly gagging going on when there’s lots to do, like putting water on the fire in the quickest means possible.

@@Bigbluehawk2 The house was a total loss before the FD got there. Letting it burn to the ground would make for a less costly cleanup operation.

@@CCWSig That is a pretty ridiculous responsefrom you when the house was quite obviously already beyond saving at the arrival of the FD.

Just noticed looked like they had a sign for deliveries etc saying there was a dog on premises. Hopefully it wasn't there at the time.

Looked

@@novdtI feel sorry for any victims of any tragedy. Just because someone has something that you don't doesn't mean you should not have compassion. I don't even think you even have the full understanding of the malice in your statement. There is too much hate in this world, and you are a perfect example.

@@novdt You sound like a typical lib. Jealous of someone who has what you don't. I've seen bigger houses. If they earned it, they deserve it and don't deserve their home to go up in flames. I don't care if it was 1500 sq ft, or 15,000.

Amen!

@@novdt I have personal items and collections of things that aren't replaceable, because they simply don't make them anymore, like my grandmother's china. Yes insurance will build back my house, and give me a certain amount to replace the contents, some contents are irreplaceable for any dollar amount though.

@@MD21037 Amen!

Caller, waited till the rafters fell onto the 2nd flooring.

It took forever to get the water supply. A deck gun is only going to work for about 1 1/2 to 2 minutes if you have 1000 gallons of water on your truck. I'm not sure that would have been enough. It sure took a long time to get water going.

nah deck guns would run you out of water long before you got a water supply. idk why or how they had 3 ladders and no engines but I assume they're quints and this capable of putting SOME water 9n to fire so idk why they didn't

@@whatusernameis5295 Judging by size im gonna guess they were just trucks not quints, but why they waited for 3rd due to lay in is beyond me. As for using a deck gun like the other guy said, putting an engine in there first would be great for a short while but a tower is what your gonna need for that in the long run and once an engine is in there, a tower isnt gonna make it.

@@whatusernameis5295 This raises the question of prefire planning and dispatch assignments in the given jurisdictions involved. I never would have expected 3 ladder trucks to be first, second, and third in. Some kind of quick and even limited initial attack may have slowed the fire down.

Says the 🤡 who clearly hasn't a clue what he's talking about

Would it have made much difference?

~5 minutes to position and set up a tower with flowing a master stream via LDH is actually quite respectable

@@williamedwards1528 Nope, not one bit Given the fuel load, landlines would have been a waste of effort given the master stream option

@@JB91710 Says the sad bitter phony who has never even held a cross-lay let alone worked a fire

Like on your brain. Nobody asked you.

And oh yeah….stop being a dick.

And they are volunteers!

I mean. They didn’t either.

Does it actually look like the ever put themselves in harms way?? 😂

Nothing at all wrong with their pace ~5 minutes to place, set up, elevate, and flowing via an LDH is quite respectable The roof and attic were blazing and there was fire visible on the interior of both floors upon arrival The place was a loss before they even arrived

Saving the foundation

You can't save what was already lost before you arrived.

Patio furniture

There wasn’t no saving shit and you know that, or I assume you don’t, stay in your gamer chair kid

Family must not be liked by local people 😊

The citizens are the fire district and in East Norwich most of the citizens aren’t volunteer fireman, if you noticed Syosset FD provided mutual aid. The fire stations are not close to these homes and they are not manned so it takes a while to get trucks manned and rolling.

@@bruceburkett7670 how do you describe the lack of fire ground pace? The lack of water being flowed in a timely manner? I love that fire service is primarily volly but there is absolutely no excuse for how they operate on scene because they are then staffed.

Y’all always find a way to complain and whine about something. You think you know so much, how bout you go out and train to be a firefighter. I’m sure you would get the job done oh so much faster….

@@GoddessMe444 but I have trained for and I am a professional fireman. I can assure you that we would as a collective at minimum be reprimanded for lack of action on this incident.

​@@GoddessMe444 this video came out 6 months ago, so way ahead of you have already been a firefighter for over 9 years. The response here was absolutely terrible, while they were waiting in the ladder truck, they already had 3 pumpers on scene that could of surrounded and drowned the fire.

My house burned down. I live in a poor area. I was outside screaming and the trucks, cops, ems etc where there within minutes putting water on. Even at 2am

@@JL-uu3lv you have an outstanding emergency response team in your area. I've been on scene at 3 motorcycle accidents this year. The fastest response time was in the city, 14 minutes. Longest was 45. That was quite a ways out of town though.

A good respirator mask with them helps

Buy your comment you have no idea what you're talking about

Without an adequate supply of water, that’s pretty much all the firemen can do is, walk around and assess things until water can be brought in. I couldn’t tell if they even had a hydrant or had to truck it in.

@@geraldduncan5646 don’t American fire engines have water on board? They do in the UK. Two fire fighters will hose up from the unit and start tackling the fire while the other two will hook the unit up to a hydrant.

@Brian Ball. Yeah our fire trucks have on board tanks but with a fully involved house like this, the amount of water they have won’t do much. From my end it didn’t look like they had a hydrant to work with so they probably brought in a tanker to supply water

@@seanfinnegan3590 the 3rd fire apparatus in laid in a line.

Nothing at all wrong with their pace ~5 minutes to place, set up, elevate, and flowing via an LDH is quite respectable The roof and attic were blazing and there was fire visible on the interior of both floors upon arrival The place was a loss before they even arrived

STFU ... that fire moved fast because this fire department moved slow!

​@@SupaNamiYour comment is rude and uncalled for troll

@@Utahjazz416 don't mean it's wrong tho. They did move slow, like a turtle

It moved fast because it's a wooden shake roof. Most fire-prone roof you can own

Guess he should have gone with a slate roof.

Troll elsewhere.

@@RLTtizME Great comeback.😂😂

@@Michael-is1zy Thanks. You’re a dick btw.

I was going to ask the same question.

@@9caplad Like Uncle Buck...your hat angers people.

🙋‍♀️ that’s what I want to know

East Norwich FD's motto: "We always save the foundation"

Very bad intial attack. No water supply. As far as I can see, you have no engine on scene but, 2 platforms that had no water supply. This is getting to be an issue everywhere. Improperly dispatched. This 46 years of paid and volunteer fire fighting talking to you. I'm kind of glad I'm going into retirement. I don't like what see anymore.

I mean, in support of eating the rich, I'm not too torn up at how long it took to get water on it.

@@Shadowwand yea but as firefighting goes, it is still saving lives and helping to save a person's home. But as you see this here, this is an issues that is running rampant within the fire fighting 'industry' as a whole. I began being a firefighter in the mid 1970's. What I have seen it grow into today, is less than successful. Mistakes, mismanagement, free lancing, not listening, wanna be's who get others hurt. I have been asked to teach at my alma mater of Texas A & M TEEX. I'm a retired battalion chief what started out as a lowly green horn in the 1970's. It disturbs me to see men in school, in class, and watching their cell phone as opposed to being involved in the class. And nearly the same on an active fire ground. Watching a chief or battalion chief reprimand a firefighter for using his personal phone while on an active fire ground and not responding to commands from officers. That blew me away. I have never considered a mistake to happen at an active fire scene. But, when I watch a command officer have reprimand a firefighter (or firefighters) for not listening to or not responding to a command because the fireighter(s) was/were involved sending videos and photos of a fire scene on his personal phone to RU-vid, SnapChat, Instagram. While on an active fire ground. That is the immaturity the firefighting profession is getting today. Seeing mistakes like you see here are putting others, not just the firefighters, in a very unsafe position. Trying to teach what use to something that was required. Dispatching an engine that arrives on scene and the engine setting up a water supply As one of their first requirements. Yet I see time and time again, engines rolling into a working structure scene without ever setting up supply water. Provided you have a hydrant you can set up a supply with. It just upsets me to see what you see here and then wondering what or how the ISO rates such things.

@@normanrickleyjr7178 "Very bad intial attack. No water supply" -There was a hydrant ~300 feet from the driveway and it was clearly in use "you have no engine on scene" -There was clearly an Engine at the hydrant before the trucks were even set up "2 platforms that had no water supply" -Again the trucks were clearly supplied by LDH "Improperly dispatched" -How so...? "This 46 years of paid and volunteer fire fighting talking to you" -Your words PROVE otherwise

Less safe, more flammable materials used in the name of cutting costs and turning a profit.

Prayers are gonna help the owners in what way? Answer is simple, not gonna help at all!

Wake up Joe! They did a crappy job! Water on fire very late! Hand line in service very late! Number of hand lines very low! Exclusively straight stream from towers. Firefighters wondering around holding hand tools with no direction. Tools in hand are for interior firefighting, yet the only attack ever made was from the exterior. When they finally made entry at 8:11 they did not bring a hose line with them😱 But maybe I have it all wrong, good shit might have been taking place , but the camera person just missed recording it!

I wouldn't want this job.

I agree Evan. First due has to make a tough call but I think they did okay. Big fire, big water. It's better to set it up right the first time because once your set your no moving the truck.

You people are stupid where's the drop tank you're not trying to put out a fire you are controlling a burn

Very poor fire attack. Absolutely no need to hit the roof which had no fire. Just created a hazard for the rest of the crew! 3 ladder trucks arrived before an engine. I give this department a. D-

I bought a new build 5 years ago, and that's the siding it has, I like it. If my neighbor's house burns at least I won't see vinyl melting and dripping off of mine.

This is the smartest comment I’ve read!

I think the first thing they should've done is have the fireplaces and chimneys inspected. The next would be to have installed a residential fire sprinkler system and an auto fire detector to auto call the fire department.

You have no idea what it takes to just get to spraying water.

With this much fire, you need to make sure you have an established water supply before starting the attack on the fire

As a firefighter myself, you’re absolutely correct. It would’ve made sense that the 2nd or 3rd do could lay from a hydrant on the way in. Of course, situation dictates and there’s a few reasons this might not be possible or practical. In general however, you are correct, there wasn’t much of a sense of urgency.

Your answer is in joining an FD

Not to mention that place was gone when they got there.

In my country, its takes only 50 seconds and the firefighters are already getting hoses, not even wearing SCBA

Join an FD and show them how it's done

Please explain why you think they were "slow"...

@virgilhilts3924 mostly because I've seen many videos where they get water on within 1 or 2 minutes, and run, not stroll. Not saying they did a bad job, just could be better imho.

@@G-force_Motorsport They could have had water on this inside of 1-2 minutes with a cross-lay... which wouldn't have done squat to the fire, been a waste of water, and blocked the driveway for the best tool on a job like this... an elevated master stream. They correctly assessed the entire situation (elevated structure, advanced fire on three floors, collapsing roof, high fire load) and chose the best plan (operate defensively with elevated master streams). Further, running around on a fire ground is idiotic, pointless, and dangerous. Many departments actually forbid doing such for those very reasons.

@@virgilhilts3924 Ok, you do know more about it than me (and I mean that respectfully ;) But, other crews absolutely do move faster.

Umm...That house was a loss long before they got there. Running around like idiots would have done absolutely nothing.

Not that it matters, but "a mansion is a home that offers at least 5,000 square feet of space and at least five to six bedrooms." This house: per Zillow. 2.6 million dollar house. 5k square feet. 5 bedrooms, 4.5 bathrooms, last sold in 2009.

No they weren't and that's sad

You wanna know the honest answer to that question? It might sound unpleasant but you deserve the truth. The answer is multifaceted and includes all of the following: 1). Modern day Western employment policies that include unions, equal opportunity (EO), equal employment opportunity (EEO), diversity, gender integration, affirmative action, sexual harassment and related clap trap and so on and so forth; 2). the combined effects of the litigious nature of the populace and fear of litigation and bureaucratic accountability by employees and supervisors; 3). Societal risk aversion in general; 4). the tendency for all organizations and western institutions and professions to gravitate toward centralization versus decentralized command and control; 5). fear of media exposure by all in charge of everything; 6). the de-masculinization of society; 7). poor urban and rural planning leading to population density exceeding emergency assets and water resources; and 8). modern day construction with high reliance upon plastics and other flame feeding ingredients. All these things lead to this type of response. Let her burn. Avoid the lawsuit. Make sure they got batteries in their smoke alarms via social media. Not all responses nor all units are the same of course but you get my drift. Signed: gramps was a fire chief and grew up at the fire house then served in the military for a few decades.......

@@deidrabrey4043 Well hell, i wasn’t depressed before but now???😂

@@deidrabrey4043This has literally nothing to do with problem here. You have no idea what you are talking about.

@@seanb7310 It has everything to do with the problem here. I do know what I'm talking about. Fire departments, police departments, military units, construction companies, you name it. These progressive policies and other globalist economic changes have affected our society in ways that are not apparent to those who fail to see it.

Limited water and limited people, hard to get a rest break.

Attic insulation is supposed to be non flammable by building codes, but I assure you when attics get to burning you have to find the attic interior access and get water on the fire in a hurry to prevent burning the roof off. If the house is well involved with fire then you need truck companies to open the roof to let some heat out to be able to get to the fire in an attic, but few departments are trained to do this as regular practice and getting on a hot roof can get firefighters killed. I felt like strangling my crews a few times but no way I allow them to really get hurt.

@@scootertrash911 that may be true today, I will check what you say with our local fire department. Back in 1970, a fireman told me this when our neighbors house caught fire.

@@scootertrash911 not sure what department you are with but venting the roof is a common operation. And as far as you saying insulation doesn't burn is false information. Insulation will burn at 375 degrees any house fire is well above 375 degrees.

@@user-peach408 he is 100% wrong as I explained to him that insulation will burn at 375 degrees. And roof venting is a normal operation.

Fire was largely in the upper story, and the roof (and probably a lot of the floors) where pretty much gone, the water would go down through the structure anyway. I think their main idea was to get that heat down.

yeah I was about to say I had a cousin that used to work in the fire department as a firefighter but then he moved up to be a fire marshal. so he now does fire code inspections and so forth. he told me that at his fire department they were taught to just aiming at the fire cuz the water's going to go down to the base of the fire anyways. and fire hydrants have to put out a certain amount of water or else they get disabled by the city or municipality who's responsible for the hydrants. they're supposed to put out enough to flood a house instantly like literally wash out the whole house. just giving idea in my area. it's a 500 gallon per minute system and then on the main road up the road from my house out of the neighborhood on the main road. they have a 1000 gallons per minute system. they only have 1,000 gallons system because businesses are on there and you have to have higher water volume for businesses if a business is on fire commercial buildings are bigger and require more water to put out the fire . but yes . I was taught to that to you aim at the base of the fire.

Now, I don't give a flying foot in your ass about some guy who knows a fireman. But I can tell you this, if you're lucky enough to have a friend who's a fireman, you better show some damn respect.

They had not gotten the all clear for occupancy in the house. Once the roof is fully involved you start knocking that fire down first.

@@USMC1984 yeah what you said

i have an english tudor built in 1927 that had a cedar shake roof. when i had roof redone we had to layers of asphalt and cedar shakes under it all!! Crazy big job. I needed plywood put down!!

The sad thing is insurance doesn't cover sentimental value things

@littlehuey5679 It was an area with hydrants just a few hundred feet away. Which is why the aerials were placed priority as this was clearly going to be a high fuel load defensive fire needing lots of GPM.

whats a real fire truck?

Its sad that you are this ignorant

@@cat740dt One that carries water and can get it on the fire within seconds of its arrival on scene. See the Mercedes used throughout the UK!

@@glynchallinor1874 For a house that size your gonna want a tower in there. You put an engine in there first, and you are gonna screw yourself in the long run. Not sure what took so long to hit a hydrant other than waiting for 3rd due to do it but I wasnt there.

@@ethang6735 Circular driveway. Send in an engine with a deck gun, put 800 gal on the fire, you can pull it forward or even out while the ladder backs in.

Less firefighters and more a function of GOV. It ain't their shit bro. And its fun watching water pressure obliterate the root. The meander that's really impressive?? COPS. Staging away from people in DESPERATE NEED of help ... whom the gov sees fit to disarm? While they discuss their response and wait for specialists.

They did a lousy job.

@@richkuklinski8424 there's no words for you!!

@@tvan4948 there's nothing that makes you worth a thing. Give some respect!!

FIREPLACE EMBER LANDED ON THE ROOF

@@spo307 that makes sense. Thank you.

@@spo307 oh no, really?? That’s how this started?! Ugh.

@@TheStabbyMedic so i was told

Hmm, I don't think so.

@@OvalNowhere That roof is burned through and partially collapsed. Proper placement is key to protect members from imminent collapse by establishing a collapse zone. There is no exposure or lives at risk or saveable there. The focus is on putting it out as safely as possible.

@@OvalNowhere I don't think you have a clue

The majority of residential structure fires rarely involve the structure itself, the fuel load is primarily the contents ~80% of US residential fires are contained to the room of origin And ~80% of fires that escape the room of origin are contained to one adjacent space

the biggest problem for a firmen in the US is their ego. Most of them have no idea what they're doing but act like super Heroes. It's so frustrating to work with people with a big ego and super hero complex.

@@investigationcommittee I see you are still bitter that you were rejected by every fire department you applied to 🤣

@@investigationcommittee What I have also noticed is that in the U.S. firemen seem to be invulnerable to smoke and other dangerous stuff. Some have airbottles on their backs but nobody seems put their masks on reagrdless of how heavy the smoke is Here in Europe it is mandatory to use masks when getting too close to smoke!

@@WangBaiTe and thats 100% true and still drives me nuts. I was a firefighter in Europe and been a firefighter now in the US. With some things you just have to adapt but some things I will never understand.

You should be ashamed of yourself. I’ve never seen so many fire fighters walking around with no direction. I understand defensive tactics. Hand lines? WTF?

The house was toast when they arrived Einstein. What were they going to do save a few more 2x4’s and some curtains? Lol

​@user-br8fn3vi9y did you not see the volume of fire right from the start? What was an 1 3/4" or even a 2 1/2" handline going to do? Think before you speak. They were behind the proverbial 8 ball upon arrival

@@-_a-a_- why else would he be out there? It may not be just guessing, yes a very expensive home and a total loss

@@-_a-a_- yes insured but think of all the things you own that cannot be replaced!

The house was lost before they even arrived But thanks for making yourself look foolish