I wonder if the people in that room really understood and appreciated the magnitude of greatness that stood before them sharing his wisdom and years of knowledge. I remember as a kid coming up before the 'digital'age and the 'loudness' wars; I would read credits on albums and the name that kept re-occuring on most every record was "Mastered by "Big Bass"Brian Gardner at Bernie Grundman Mastering". As I grew to truly learned what mastering was and I looked up these guys; that's when I relized that these legends were only a heartbeat away. #Salute to the "Masters" of mastering. Peace
I am a huge soundtrack-score fan and so I "know" Mr. Grundman...after more than twenty five years I bought a new vinyl: John Williams - Star Wars The Last Jedi. What a great vinyl it is. I totaly forgot how good Vinyl can be. The CD of this score is outstandnig, but the vinyl is also. Mastered by Patricia Sullivan who works for Grundman many years. So this combination: John Williams, Recording-Engineer Shawn Murphy and Mastering-Engineer Patricia Sullivan...that's the dream of every soundtrack-fan. I own many recordings where the name Bernie Grundman is on it. Legend. So realy nice to see a new video of him and his important work. One thing I realy like and appreciate: "...you sit down and listen to the music..." in those buisy days it's a rare but important thing: get time to listen music and relax!!!
Bernie I hope you are reading this, You are one of a kind, and Ive always admired your work in the art of mastering. I really hope you have taught many people this prestigious artform. I have always admired how spot on you are when the source recording (tape or digital) sounds exactly like your Mastering cuts.
I find this to be the best example on RU-vid of a Quality recording room. Whenever you can clearly hear someone talking on a video with loud music playing at the same time without distraction from the music while focusing on his voice says a lot about the room, which is the most important part in hifi.
I’m amazed at how we’re still in 2020 and a lot of people just don’t get it that crushing your mixes doesn’t sound good at all. A ton of modern music sounds pretty bad today with all the digital processing and peak limiting of waveforms. Bernie Grundman preserves dynamics and doesn’t cater to the loudness wars and that is why I love the guy. All one has to do is listen to Supertramp’s live in Paris (1978) on Cd 💿 and take note. ;)
Love HudMo chilling in back, taking in all the genius from Bernie. He definitley connected with him after - his mastering on TNGHT II was fantastic especially on the vinyl pressing!
Great interview. Much coaching, tips, etc in this from a master of mastering. Man has mastered some of you and your parents fav records wether you know it or not.
there's a big problem about what he says around 12:10, he talks about the details... the thing with details is that if you compress them u are allowed to hear them better cause they get louder, but the real trick is to let them be heard how they were originally performed without altering it's dynamics so that you can get more emotion and a better sense of what the artist felt when recording it.
Thank God you have to point it out to this legend... seriously? He repeatedly said that the job is to make it "louder but a good musical experience) through and through, he never said to compress the details. Sheesh
Hey love the video. It would be helpful to get a direct feed of what he's doing. It's hard to hear the nuances of his work through whatever microphones you guys are using. Otherwise, LOVE the video. Thank you for sharing and capturing his wonderful depth of knowledge.
I loved watching this, thanks for sharing! I will DL it to share with my friends. I would love to ask so many questions regarding monitoring and room physics for mastering studios...
Duh it's under produced and digital. Although i hear some freq's of the kick get cancelled by the bassline. Typical digital behaviour in my book. Also the OG mix was too dynamic restrained. I don't know what he did but he opened up the top end nicely. Also heard him do a cover of Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd with more real instruments mix to vinyl and that sounded way too dynamic for me. And too boxy. Also 45 rpm 12" i think.
This looks like Bernie Grundman, a giant in his field, is giving an invaluable education on his craft to four millennials from a prison release program.
Just wondering why videos by audio guys are uploaded with such a low volume...the first part of the the video is about volume...know your audience....I'm not watching this on a 4k tv with a loud sound system...I'm on my phone or tablet nowadays....
What can you tell me about hearing deterioration with age? especially in the treble range. Doesn't it put the correct treatment of the sound tracks at risk?Anyway, I have vinyl remastered by Bernie and they are fantastic.
the guy interviewing Mr. Grundman is awful. I can't stand the unimpressed people sitting on the wall. This man has a wealth of knowledge and it's squandered with these people who don't look like they care.
this a good interview, allowing the person to speak. I wanna hear what Mr Grundman has to say and not an interviewer who is constantly interjecting or going off on excited tangents.
@@GnCFilms those 'people' including a producer that worked on A TON of Kanye West music for the last 10 years or so, credited and uncredited. Don't judge a book by it cover or how someone appears under lights and camera. google Hudson Mohawke and Laurent Fintoni before you judge them any further.
Great and inspirational to all vinyl music lovers, artists and producers. Thanks a lot for this technical contribution. Love that. Frankie G. from Germany
I am curious to hear Mr. Bernie opinion on the sonic merits of cutting vinyl from digital source. Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to master to digital?
What do you say about DSD. have you thought anything about native DSD. NOTE DSD is not PCM. The second best thing according to some is to transfer analog audio to DSD and that it is better than transferring PCM to DSD. whats your opinion ?
it's so annoying that they overlayed a sound and did not play what is actually heard in the room. He switches the speakers on and off and you simply hear the same thing still playing. Why bother making this documentary then?
i've bought some albums and they are utterly unlistenable...I have a very high end system and it reveals the harshness and grain..Pink Floyd 'remasters' are awful unless its the Doug Sax...Amy Winehouse..awful
simon lloyd check the master level meters on his screen at 17:03....it looks the dynamic range is not more than 3dB! this is mastering for $10 ear buds and nothing else. Alas, most remastered albums are unlistenable. They teach in mastering now how to clip the digital converter and bring back into the analog domain; this is insane.
Not everyone has listening rooms. Much music is enjoyed by the the working masses... while driving the car to work, or taxiing noisy kids to school, regular people who BUY the music that PAYS for the artists gear, the engineers studio, and exec producers summer cottage, need to be able to hear that "nuance" OVER the roar of life. Don't be so pedantic?
I think many of them do it on purpose to take advantage of mp3 compression that most will be using anyways (mp3 works by removing sound imperceivable to human ear); i.e. louder/harsher = higher distortion/frequency = more compressible. I've noticed it over the last 20+ years when converting various media formats to mp3. You just don't get the same level of compression out of the classics because they were recorded & mastered properly to begin with.
Thanks Bernie great stuff. Interesting you used this particular track to demonstrate. Not telling grandma how to suck eggs, but maybe next time demonstrate a ‘not so good’ sounding track so the punters can really hear your talent. Cheers.
yeah that zombie iphone generation,what with independent bands releasing every new album on vinyl and vinyl sales beating out all digital purchases for 3 years in a row
You may have been influenced by time I think at the time when dire Straits had their hits then the dynamics were much better than on today's pop music. it was probably even better in the early 2000s. But loudness was coming. and it's not like an automatic level recording on a cassette player. here we are literally talking about cutting sound tops. where basically everything sounds equally loud on certain recordings. which there are graphic images that show from sound analyzes
*The documentary is superb and highly informative !... So sad though that the great man had to work on so unbearable a piece of percussive techno shit for the demonstration of his mastering technique !!...*
I gotta agree with that. I was very well produced, but what I liked about it the most are how perfect the phases where... mais enfin voilà il faut un peu de mélodie ;)
Fuck the loudness wars and morons who think hifi is an iphone or something with Sony written on the front. Real music fans have to suffer for the unwashed masses..yes i am an elitist....Loud CD's almost always sound awful and i tend to avoid anything that's been 'enhanced' or 'remastered'..I often hit the forums to see what the consensus is for a particular version of a recording i want to buy..The great thing with CD's is that they are out of fashion (just like vinyl was) so bargains galore can had..They will have their day again...If im buying vinyl i always try and buy the original or earliest pressings i can get before any reissues, unless i KNOW that the reissue has improved the original, not just made it louder...there are a few Blue Note vinyl reissues that are better than the 50's versions..a few... The trouble is most people say that are fans but they are not, they listen to crap through crap..Yes Im a cork sniffing snob but i like composition, performance and production/mastering done properly not for the masses of idiots.
I totally agree with your point about loudness wars they are absolutely stupid. Dynamics in re-issues is slowly making a come back and if it does fully come back the record companies need to learn a lesson not to keep up with this stupid loudness wars B.S.
Loudness is what the lateral excursions of the groove represent. The wider the excursion, the louder the sound coming out. With 45 RPM EP, you don't have the same aerial density as a LP, so you can use that extra area to make louder grooves. With a LP you need to take care to keep the groove from running into the next one, so loudness must be controlled, or you run out of space.
Thank you. What decides how long the run-out groove should be? According to what you say one would think the run-out groove (not sure what it's called) would be as short as possible so the record could use all of the available space for loudness. But it always seems to vary. I even have some records where the run out groove is almost half the record.
Records turn at a constant angular velocity of 33-1/3 or 45 RPM. One consequence of that is that the linear velocity varies as the groove approaches the center of the disk. Long story short, the part near the outer edge has better fidelity than the part near the spindle. One way to maximize fidelity is to put the recording on the faster part of the record. That's one reason why the lead-in portion is always minimal. The consequence of that is less play time. You can make up time by squeezing the groove pitch, but then other sonic problems creep in. It's all a give-and-take operation. Finding the ideal balance of all parameters is a fine art. An ideal lead-out will begin to increase pitch as the sound level drops, so you will not hear a pre-echo from the next groove over (it's all one groove, of course) that's louder. That should increase to a proper lead-out that gets the stylus to the park groove quickly, but not too quickly. You don't want the lead-out to cause the inertia of the tone arm to pull the stylus out of the groove. You do want to have a large enough lead-out so if you accidentally drop the stylus back down on the record, it's not likely to damage a part where the recording is.
I had no idea so much went into making a record. It's a wonder the vinyl sounds anything like the master tapes with all that needs to be considered. Thank you for the information.
You're very welcome. Yes, vinyl records are imperfect copies in pretty much every way of the original work product. Before CD, I would have considered selling my first born to possess tape copies of my favorite music. Back then the technology didn't exist to do that without wearing out the original, or incurring lots of generational loss. Today we could have it, if only we didn't have so many _ex_ _post_ _facto_ alterations under the guise of "mastering". You can see that the process of making records requires mastering. Making a dub, to analog or digital does not.
The platter on the cutter doesn't seem very good. You've got high engineered hi-fi turntables with precision bearings for playback and yet the cutting lathe platter looks pretty ropey.
Thank God you're here to tell this poor man with no experience about this that his cutting plate is "ropey"... a cutting plate cannot be as smooth as a plate for playback, because you have to put pressure on it.
@@jas_bataille Well you've got Turntables by SME, Goldmund, etc, which use state of the art bearings far beyond what we see here. So I see only benefits when using that level of engineering in cutting lathes.
@@Fontsman That equipment is worth something like 500k conservatively estimated. I think they know what they are doing and the equipment is up for the job.
Nirvana - Nevermind (BG in the deadwax, usually on the pallas pressings) Dave Brubeck - Time Out Analogue productions He has done hundreds of different ones, but those two just came to my head straight away.
@@mikechivy the pallas versions of rumours were mastered by Kevin Gray and Steve Hoffman, he might have mastered some original pressings, but not the 45 ones.
This is way too basic. You didn't ask him any questions as to how he provides depth by clever use of compressors, or how he sparingly uses EQ. What sort of monitors he uses and why does he seem to have mostly API equipment. As for cutting lacquer, there are issues with track spacing, half-speed mastering and so forth. What kind of an "academy" is that, except a bunch of gawkers in a room.