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Best Actress 1941, Part 5: Joan Fontaine in "Suspicion" & Olivia de Havilland in "Hold back the Dawn 

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This is a review of the Oscar-nominated performances by Joan Fontaine in "Suspicion" and Olivia de Havilland in "Hold back the Dawn".
The entire playlist about the Best Actress Nominees of 1941 is here: • Review 1941
Please note that I have already uploaded this video as part of the complete 1941 video: • Joan Fontaine wins ove...
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"Olivia and Joan" by Charles Higham
"No Bed of Roses" by Joan Fontaine

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@barrylangford3276
@barrylangford3276 Год назад
I have watched this segment of your longer 1941 review several times, and l think it is my very favourite of your always-excellent videos. Joan definitely seems the more fun of the two sisters!
@FritzandtheOscars
@FritzandtheOscars Год назад
Thank you so much! Yes, it seems like this - in a way they remind of Bette and the other Joan; Bette was always fun and open in her interviews, Joan very careful and considerate
@e.erin.
@e.erin. Год назад
I had no idea what a jealous meanie Olivia was until I read about their relationship. It seems that, rather than working to help her girls create peace between themselves, their mother actually added to and even fostered their feud. When Joan began to pursue acting, their mother told her to stay away from Warner Bros, because that was “Olivia’s studio”. These two sisters were both so gifted, but were in constant competition (really does seem that Olivia was the problem) and died without ever reconciling. Sad.
@martyh.1646
@martyh.1646 Год назад
Not only was this a very well produced and researched video but your use of clips ("Oh the Shade!") had me laughing out loud..i look forward to watching your other works.Thanks for these!!🤩
@FritzandtheOscars
@FritzandtheOscars Год назад
Thanks so much! :)
@Marcel_Audubon
@Marcel_Audubon Год назад
Joan comes across as glamorous and happy and playful in all her interviews, Olivia as mousey and uptight. I know there's a lot of acting going on in those kind of interviews, but can't we admit Joan was the better actress on that specific stage?
@jeffreysuggs2799
@jeffreysuggs2799 Год назад
Marvel Audubon Ms. Fontaine is all you stated, but for you to post that uninformed bit about Ms de Havilland, speaks volumes of one who's never been in the presence of either one. Ms. DeHavilland is a breathtaking beauty of substance & stature, who took on Warner Bros & won! It's in history of Ca. Legislature as the De Havilland decision..look it up
@jeffreysuggs2799
@jeffreysuggs2799 Год назад
No! I will admit no such thing! They are both Hollywood legends for a reason! Several reasons!
@Marcel_Audubon
@Marcel_Audubon Год назад
@@jeffreysuggs2799 calm thyself, sweetie
@anjaplushenka5995
@anjaplushenka5995 10 месяцев назад
@@jeffreysuggs2799*Fontaine was better than Havilland in all these interviews.*
@CrissyRed
@CrissyRed 3 месяца назад
Re-watching your videos and still getting more insight on these actresses. ❤
@FritzandtheOscars
@FritzandtheOscars 3 месяца назад
Thanks so much for sticking around! 😀
@darrylreilly3915
@darrylreilly3915 Год назад
As always, it is joyous experiencing your impeccable analytical presentations. However, I feel you shortchange the New York Film Critic Circle-winning Joan Fontaine. She was memorably credible in the minor Suspicion and forged a substantive career afterward. She was awesome in Rebecca; this has been always seen as a DESERVED makeup Oscar. As you are aware, her victory is representative of the Academy’s disputation to award young actresses on the rise. The worthy Bette Davis and Barbara Stanwyck really didn’t have a chance, Joan Fontaine had topical momentum.
@FritzandtheOscars
@FritzandtheOscars Год назад
I know her performance has a lot of fans but I'm just not one of them...I do adore her in general, however
@paullemon5154
@paullemon5154 Год назад
In my opinion Joan was always the more attractive sister. Olivia treated Joan shabbily!
@christiansoldier77
@christiansoldier77 Год назад
Paul lemon Joan was funny looking. Olivia is way more beautiful 😊
@paulamiles9559
@paulamiles9559 Год назад
Thank you for this video- very well done! Olivia was a good actress, Joan was a glamorous movie star. Love both of them. The two books listed as references are both excellent- I have both books- very much fun to read. Long after they stopped making movies, either lady could guarantee instant publicity by saying anything snarky about the other.
@VTMCompany
@VTMCompany Год назад
I believe Joan; um, Olivia, not so much.
@paulamiles9559
@paulamiles9559 Год назад
@@VTMCompany Me, too. Joan told funny stories, Olivia was defensive.
@FritzandtheOscars
@FritzandtheOscars Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@davidbiddle3257
@davidbiddle3257 Год назад
Joan was much prettier from her 20’s onward, than Olivia.
@christiansoldier77
@christiansoldier77 Год назад
David Biddle Olivia was way more attractive
@johnryskamp2943
@johnryskamp2943 Год назад
Remember what Orson Welles said about actresses like Joan: "They have two faces and three emotions."
@macc.1132
@macc.1132 Год назад
Olivia de Havilland's descriptions of the roles she was given at 18:50 is hilarious! The "marriage bed" term is pretty accurate and there's a short shelf life for that career trajectory.
@FritzandtheOscars
@FritzandtheOscars Год назад
Yes, it's admirable how she recognised the problems in her career and was willing to fight to get better parts
@voyaristika5673
@voyaristika5673 Год назад
The sisters might have done better in their relationship with a different mother. Pitting your children against each other to stimulate their ambitions is pretty shabby.
@Marcel_Audubon
@Marcel_Audubon Год назад
Surprised Olivia didn't accept that *all* roles in GWTW were _supporting_ and subordinate to the Scarlet O'Hara role. It's written that way. No, Miss de Haviland, you were not a star of GWTW as there was only one and she was not you! You were a supporting player, but you weren't even the best supporting actress in that film according to Academy voters, your peers.
@FritzandtheOscars
@FritzandtheOscars Год назад
I think she is fantastic in GWTW but yes, in no way a leading performer...but of course, in those days, leading and supporting was determined less by screentime and more by "star or no star" and in that case, she probably had a right to be upset
@jeffreysuggs2799
@jeffreysuggs2799 Год назад
Marcel, this is a black male posting, Melanie was a large supporting role, so she could've been a lead actress contender, especially over Greer Garden in Mr.Chips! Politics plays a role in every aspect of our lives, two reasons Ms de Havilland may not have won, G W T W was an MGM flick, Mr. Mayer may have pressed MGM voters t vote for Ms McDaniel who was an MGM player, & also to silence black opposition to the flick! He pressed voters to go for Robert Donate over Clark Gable
@jamesa.romano8500
@jamesa.romano8500 Год назад
I had never considered the MGM contract player angle but you're probably right. I do love Olivia but it always irked me that whenever she would recount losing to Hattie no matter how many years later she would always acknowledge being extremely upset ("there was no god!") and that the way she got over it was that she realized Melanie was a co-lead rather than a supporting player and it was only fair to lose in the category, rather than because losing meant that Hattie could make history. Reportedly Irene Selznick had to take her into the backroom on Oscar night and tell her to suck it up because this was an important moment for Hattie and the black community as a whole. I could very well be wrong and at some point she did talk about it, but my guess is in part the reason could be she might have been ashamed of the moment and didn't want to admit to it fully. As it is it's obvious she and Hattie didn't have any big problem because they would go on to do In This Our Life together and they would share ANOTHER impactful end scene together lol
@TrangPakbaby
@TrangPakbaby 7 месяцев назад
@@jeffreysuggs2799what does ur race have to do with anything? It doesn’t make you sound less ridiculous or more credible. Hattie McDaniel simply gave the best performance that year. She also gave a much lauded performance in “Alice Adams” which garnered her much praise.
@stephaniestanley8041
@stephaniestanley8041 10 месяцев назад
Wow Joan articulated so well.❤😮
@maryoleary5044
@maryoleary5044 20 дней назад
Joan Fontaine: 'Jane Eyre', 'Suspicion' and HEARTBREAKINGLY STUNNING IN 'Rebecca'. No contest. (De Havilland was a Wonderful Actress also with great screen presence...but maybe knowing you're so beautiful gets it the way?) Joan came across as more gentle
@allisonmalone4618
@allisonmalone4618 3 дня назад
I couldn’t imagine anyone but Joan in Rebecca. She was perfect.
@Thesavageeye
@Thesavageeye 5 месяцев назад
I LOVE them both‼️⭐️⭐️ I’m sorry things were different behind the scenes but that’s not for me to judge. My favorite Olivia movie is GWTW and Joan REBECCA‼️‼️‼️
@barrylangford3276
@barrylangford3276 4 месяца назад
Despite what she thought, Olivia was definitely a supporting actress in Gone With the Wind, and in actual fact given the amount of screen time she has in Hold Back The Dawn could have been nominated in the supporting category for this film too! But that honour really should have gone to Paulette Goddard who was absolutely wonderful in Hold Back The Dawn.
@kjgammon1658
@kjgammon1658 7 месяцев назад
Fontaine had more "give and take".... for sure!...
@arnesahlen2704
@arnesahlen2704 5 месяцев назад
Please consider a post on unconventional acting beauties and their bodies of work!😄 I note your Shirley Booth overwrite: "I mean, she looks stunning???" She and Geraldine Page; I find both to be knockouts.🥰
@KevinMontreal
@KevinMontreal Год назад
These two actresses were either outstanding in the right roles or so mousy and boring in the wrong ones… Rebecca, Suspicion, The Snake Pit, The Heiress were the best they ever got… Davis should have got that Oscar, her Regina was something else…
@Marcel_Audubon
@Marcel_Audubon Год назад
I have never found Olivia de Haviland compelling in any role (and I've seen her in many). Who wins the battle of the shared biographies? Olivia has the advantage as she lived 7 years longer and had many opportunities to have the "last word," and yet it's Joan's version that seems the more believable. Based upon that, we have to conclude Joan was the really the better actress. She convinces us to believe her while Olivia tries, especially after Joan's death, but fails. p.s. Whomever allowed Olivia to do that last interview, excerpted at length here, when her memory was failing and an unkind light made her look every day of her 100+ years was not doing her any favors.
@christiansoldier77
@christiansoldier77 Год назад
Marcel Audubon You are a fool . You must not have seen the Heiress
@Marcel_Audubon
@Marcel_Audubon Год назад
@@christiansoldier77 sorry, sweetie, no one with as bizarre a collection of far right, faux christian videos as you have on your channel gets to call anyone else a fool! 🤣😆🤣 you're in for a few surprises on the judgment day, little lady. You can be forgiven for thinking perhaps I had never seen The Heiress since, like many of Olivia de Haviland's efforts, it was such a compete box office flop but, alas I have seen it. She was certainly cast correctly as the forgettable little mousey type, wasn't she? Unfortunately, to see the role played believably we have to turn to Jennifer Jason Leigh in Washington Park many years later.
@jae6335
@jae6335 Месяц назад
​@@christiansoldier77 , only someone with limit intelligence insults another person unnecessarily. Learn to communicate without insults.
@christiansoldier77
@christiansoldier77 Месяц назад
@@jae6335 So you are just proving how unintelligent you are right?
@davidbiddle3257
@davidbiddle3257 Год назад
I can take Olivia on screen, but, in person-using her own voice, I find her absolutely tedious.
@jeffreysuggs2799
@jeffreysuggs2799 Год назад
Have you ever had the honor of meeting Ms.DeHavilland in person? No! You have not, or you wouldn't have pasted that malarkey! Have I had the honor? Yes I have! She was a queen! Gracious, generous with her time, & patient with the starstruck, not a trace of condescension or racism. A Grand Dame to be sure!
@texan903
@texan903 Год назад
@@jeffreysuggs2799 Olivia's remarks regarding her GWTW co-star Hattie McDaniel's Academy Award win in the supporting category, were unacceptable and despicable.
@VTMCompany
@VTMCompany Год назад
We love Vivien Leigh in "Gone with the Wind;" um, Olivia de Havilland, not so much. We love Paulette Goddard in "Hold Back the Dawn," um, Olivia de Havilland, not so much.
@paulamiles9559
@paulamiles9559 Год назад
O Geez I love Paulette! Vivien Leigh was wonderful as Scarlett, but I would have loved to see Paulette in the role.
@jeffreysuggs2799
@jeffreysuggs2799 Год назад
Your take on Ms De Havilland..I like it not
@jeffreysuggs2799
@jeffreysuggs2799 Год назад
​@@paulamiles9559 I would've loved to have seen Bette Davis's rendition of Scarlett
@paulamiles9559
@paulamiles9559 Год назад
@@jeffreysuggs2799 Yeah, we liked her for Scarlett also.
@hcombs0104
@hcombs0104 5 месяцев назад
Don’t forget how Hattie McDaniel mopped the floor with dear, dull dishrag Olivia in that staircase scene in Gone with the Wind.
@christiansoldier77
@christiansoldier77 Год назад
Joan should not have won for Suspicion . The movie was good but her performance was nothing special.
@namaankhan8306
@namaankhan8306 Год назад
Agree 💯. Though I have to say she looked so beautiful in the film.
@rustynail766
@rustynail766 13 дней назад
Everyone seems to prefer Joan because Joan was sweeter, more talented and much better looking.
@hcombs0104
@hcombs0104 5 месяцев назад
Out of the two, I prefer Joan. I never really cared that much for Olivia de Havilland….I thought she was too too stuffy, pretentious, and above it all. I would have preferred if Joan Crawford had completed Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte…she would have made Miriam Deering more intense than dear, dull Olivia. Towards the end of her life, she thought she should have gotten a best actress Oscar nomination for Gone with the Wind….cut me a break!
@PaminaStormborn
@PaminaStormborn 5 месяцев назад
Best actress nomination for her role in GWTW…what went on in her head?
@christiansoldier77
@christiansoldier77 Год назад
Olivia was the actress . Joan was a star
@ChristinaMcloughlin-w2q
@ChristinaMcloughlin-w2q Год назад
I have always been a great fan of both however, reading between the lines of Joan's autobiography "No Bed of Roses", I think Joan may have been difficult to get on with. Also, Cary Grant, who generally had a good relationship with his leading ladies, didn't like Joan. He said of acting as her husband in the film 'Suspicion': "Anyone who knows me realizes that I couldn't be married to Joan Fontaine for more than 24 hours without wanting to wring her neck". I think that's very telling.
@christiansoldier77
@christiansoldier77 Год назад
Olivia was the best actress of the Golden era
@christiansoldier77
@christiansoldier77 Год назад
Joan always hated Olivia even when Olivia tried to reach out to her😊
@kjgammon1658
@kjgammon1658 7 месяцев назад
Olivia only reached out to her when she needed money /cash!
@christiansoldier77
@christiansoldier77 Год назад
Joan always looked middle aged even when she was young😂
@whatever-whatever7386
@whatever-whatever7386 10 месяцев назад
Completely inaccurate summation of Joan in Suspicion.
@avidreader1527
@avidreader1527 11 месяцев назад
Joan Fontaine reminds me of Meghan Markle ...
@PaminaStormborn
@PaminaStormborn 5 месяцев назад
I am glad for this observation. I have the same feeling. She is false. And very very cunning and manipulative.
@lynnbeck6877
@lynnbeck6877 Год назад
IMO, The divide btw those two is all JOAN FONTAINE'S instigation
@christiansoldier77
@christiansoldier77 Год назад
Olivia should have won for Hold Back the Dawn
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