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Best Budget Airgun 2020? Stoeger XM1 

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@lukepro_1566
@lukepro_1566 3 года назад
My left ear loved this video. Thank you very much.
@taylor_smith
@taylor_smith 8 месяцев назад
😂
@carbonunit6573
@carbonunit6573 3 года назад
When loading cartridges or just using single shot I pour some pellets into the lid. This makes them easier to pick up and it doesn’t damage the other pellets by digging into them.
@therrienmichael08
@therrienmichael08 3 года назад
Good to know. Thanks 😊
@KrakkenZero
@KrakkenZero 4 года назад
Don't even care about the gun after seeing his Allen key technique, imma have to practice that lol
@tuckert7883
@tuckert7883 3 года назад
He handles that Allen wrench like a pro
@laius6047
@laius6047 2 года назад
My thought exactly. Never seen anyone being that quick with Allen key
@johndivit5869
@johndivit5869 4 года назад
Nice one Jonny! Good to see a budget end review and a reasoned test. That's the kind of affordable type of gun that gets more people on the road to enjoying this great sport of ours! Few of us can afford or appreciate (say) a Rolls Royce as a first car, but we can aspire to over the years!
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors 4 года назад
Exactly our thoughts. This is a gun that gets people shooting - and that gets our vote
@sohailsoomro2691
@sohailsoomro2691 4 года назад
How much price brother
@ROBERT6500MK2
@ROBERT6500MK2 3 года назад
I have one of these rifles and I absolutely love it. I have though put a Hawk 3x12x50 scope on it. 50 yd accuracy is as good as it gets frankly. Only fault I can find really is the air bottle is just a tad small. I'm getting 40 accurate shots and then it drops off. However the small bottle helps to make it as light as it is. Love it. 👍😉
@colliedogjoy
@colliedogjoy 4 года назад
Great review.. I talked myself out of budget things - when I factor in the cost of all the accessories and usage over a year or two, a few quid more on a nicer bicycle/gun/camera/car/shoes makes little difference financially but a big difference in terms of user enjoyment and ROI
@JJKK408
@JJKK408 3 года назад
After watching this, I decided this would be a good starting air gun. Thanks for the review.
@bessiebraveheart
@bessiebraveheart Год назад
I bought one of these guns, pretty good, then I bought their bullpup version. I love it. Good guns.
@pansikake
@pansikake 4 года назад
Well made vid! The first decent review about this airgun, I think you just made me buy this one 👌🏻
@oanevisser9494
@oanevisser9494 4 года назад
Another one from the SPA/artemis stable? The magazine gave it away for me, very similar to the cp1/pr900w or other budget SPA guns.
@jwar238
@jwar238 4 года назад
Does look like it, that does mean it is tunable though. Diana has a version of the pr900 and there is a regulator kit that should fit it
@oanevisser9494
@oanevisser9494 4 года назад
@@jwar238 I know I have the first gen with a huma reg installed. It was my first pcp, great fun and memories and it got me to the dark side hard.
@docthebiker
@docthebiker 4 года назад
Been looking at this rifle for a little while now, and good like this reviews are scarce, so thanks. Bipod on that rifle is the 2 piece side rail fixer. As I'm in France where non FAC are sub 20 joules (& I can get the silenced version) but I'd still have liked a bit of chrono.
@feuquegougueul1592
@feuquegougueul1592 3 года назад
Bonjour! Je suis en France aussi, et en regardant cette vidéo, je me suis rendu compte qu'il y avait un petit "inlet" cache poussière, à l'endroit ou se met la pièce de la pompe, or la mienne n'avait pas cette pièce à la réception! Sais tu si on peut la trouver, et chez quel vendeur? Merci, et bons tirs à toi !
@JA-qi1fb
@JA-qi1fb 2 года назад
Hello, I recently bought a small cottage in Normandy & eventually hope to shoot there - a good sized fallen barn offers a good backstop. Things are kinda on hold for a while because of a broken leg 🙄
@lukepitts5774
@lukepitts5774 4 года назад
It's an Artemis pr900w just with a different stock and the price it's nearly £150 more than the pr900w
@jameskillala2713
@jameskillala2713 4 года назад
Spot on. They've actually made it worse by moving the air guage to the danger end rather than the underside Luke the PR900w. Crazy that they are charging twice the price for just a different stock.
@oanevisser9494
@oanevisser9494 4 года назад
With the gauge on the end a huma reg might not remove the gauge on this one.
@Delex9
@Delex9 3 года назад
Almost forgot. It likes "longer" pellets. Short form pellets tend to be a bit sticky going in and get damaged, resulting in poor accuracy.
@forddude1976
@forddude1976 4 года назад
Think I'll stick with my Walther rotex rm8 for 300 pounds I think I did well.
@wrinkle1784
@wrinkle1784 4 года назад
I've been thinking of buying the rm8 , would you rate it as an consistently accurate gun ?
@JaremasteR
@JaremasteR 4 года назад
I just got a Walther Dominator 1250 .22 for 250 euros in a mint condition and I have to say, Walther is great quality !
@BunnyR13
@BunnyR13 4 года назад
Forgot to say... I did own one but chopped it in for an AA S310.
@witnessingdaily4327
@witnessingdaily4327 4 года назад
03:11 The most informative thing in this video was the way you screwed the Allen screws in. Nice spinning technique 👌
@franciscopiano636
@franciscopiano636 3 года назад
How much price
@franciscopiano636
@franciscopiano636 3 года назад
Gun price
@jasonswift7098
@jasonswift7098 3 года назад
How else would you do it? i would do it that way not rocket science.
@andrewseamaster
@andrewseamaster 4 года назад
I have the S20? old break barrel .22 with the wood stock and after zero then three shots can hit 12G primers at 30 yards. not bad for GBP 140. shame the trigger guard was broken on arrival yet the box was undamaged SGC!
@starhawk74
@starhawk74 4 года назад
im thinking that a real accuracy test would be good at 50 yards being serious thanks for the review though
@superseldem
@superseldem 4 года назад
I have one of these rifles and love it. its zeroed at 30 yards, tried it a few times it at 50 yards and hit the target every time, the group was a little open each time cause I didn't take the time to fine tune it but was very happy.
@toddolatheks.1328
@toddolatheks.1328 4 года назад
That right there is a really cool peashooter awesome looking now if it can group!!! Then I really want one and I’m just gonna go out on a limb and say it’s going to be the number one selling air gun in the world... Thanks 🙏
@blakesterr.9599
@blakesterr.9599 4 года назад
"Pro adaptive" and the smirking had me laughing. Oddly, I tried a bargain rifle, and it was so horrible, I called for an RMA# the same day. Mine was the Remington 725VTR, a chinese crossman. Yikes, there was so much wrong with it I would be here forever--- it was the worst rifle I ever fired. Seems like you made out much better. At least the Stoeger works properly. I've used the Stoeger coach gun as a truck gun for five years. They're very beefy, and work good even when dirty.
@joseprotacio5654
@joseprotacio5654 4 года назад
what can you expect bro it's chinese made the only chinese product that is good is wuhan virus
@ssjjarod9005
@ssjjarod9005 4 года назад
@@joseprotacio5654 c'mon dude did you really have to said that man
@annabeltheunicorn9374
@annabeltheunicorn9374 3 года назад
Sorry i try and avoid anything from that country as a matter of principle. Difficult but i do try
@paulwagner6439
@paulwagner6439 3 года назад
Blakester R. Very nice review....❤️ the Brogue ole chap .....keep up the great reviews.
@Simonwallis30
@Simonwallis30 3 года назад
I bought an old Daystate a few years ago,tbh if this was on the market back then this would’ve been a better choice. I’m more into my shotgun but this looks ideal for the use I need an air rifle for
@peacefulscrimp5183
@peacefulscrimp5183 4 года назад
Even with the Fortitude being well known for being under powered, every time I see people review it they lay down very respectable groups. So my money will be on a Fortitude (when I get some)
@darrenede7845
@darrenede7845 4 года назад
Nice review - fair and balanced. Nice entry level PCP to get you into the sport - nowt wrong with starting small, think mine was a PR900W, using a RM8 UC now.
@Crafter_Dave
@Crafter_Dave Год назад
Just watched this, I recently bought the Bullpup version. The side rails are for the Bipods, they don't go under the stock, and come in pairs. The Gamo ones fit, and are about £20 cheeper
@davepeters4251
@davepeters4251 Год назад
Hi which game bipod fits this please?
@aboogiewiththehoodie9126
@aboogiewiththehoodie9126 3 года назад
Easily the best review video ever!
@markhomer5704
@markhomer5704 4 года назад
Very good review , nice and lively , with a sense of enthusiasm ... excellent stuff ..
@camtheman559
@camtheman559 3 года назад
I'm going to buy this for my girlfriend. She will love all the accessories
@TheMisterSpok
@TheMisterSpok 3 года назад
Somehow nobody mentions this is the Artemis PR900W in different plastic stock.
@traviscochran6280
@traviscochran6280 4 года назад
An interesting concept. An airgun with out all the pumping or heavy cocking spring. It would be the bane of rabbits!
@aShiteShot
@aShiteShot 4 года назад
Is this your first time witnessing a PCP???
@Jules-qy8wc
@Jules-qy8wc 4 года назад
PCP has been around for decades mate 😂
@herdo1561
@herdo1561 Год назад
Yes, but have you seen these new fangled horseless carriages?
@castingwithconnor4296
@castingwithconnor4296 3 года назад
Anyone notice the guns internals are the same as the Diana storm rider and Artemis pr900w, jus a different stock
@FloridaRaider
@FloridaRaider 4 года назад
Run it against the air venturi avenger
@chrishenning8829
@chrishenning8829 3 года назад
Avenger is sweet!!! This thing....not so much
@gigolocan8914
@gigolocan8914 Год назад
Ive broken it down several times it is regulated. It has the exact same internals as the pr900w gen2.
@stukyu
@stukyu Год назад
Hi mate is it an easy job to adjust the regulator ? Thanks
@gigolocan8914
@gigolocan8914 Год назад
@@stukyuIt’s easy yes but you have to break it down almost completely to reach the reg., unless you have a really long screwdriver that can reach the adjust screw without removing the reg from the air tube. In that case all you gotta do is unscrew the pressure gauge, it’s abit fiddly but can be done. Im getting ~25 regulated shots on my .177 fac, it was 12 out of the box but ofc it lowers your fps quite abit which is fine by me. Just make small adjustments at a time, cw to decrease the reg preasure, ccw to increase it.
@stukyu
@stukyu Год назад
@@gigolocan8914 Ok thanks mate will give it a go. But I believe the reg is set at 140 bar but closer to 100 gives a better shot count and a flatter power curve.
@gigolocan8914
@gigolocan8914 Год назад
@@stukyu Stoeger says it’s set at 125-130, mine fell off the reg at around 140, now it’s around 100. Less power but more consistent shots per fill. GL with it. Edit: I believe i ended up at approx 1/2 turn cw from the factory settings if i remember correctly was awhile ago I messed with it.
@clive1539
@clive1539 4 года назад
For 30 yard shooting you may as well get a higher quality springer, from my experience once you know how to shoot them they are just as accurate as this gun at those shorter ranges (Hw97 myself) The pcp guns come into their own for longer ranges, which then requires regulation for consistency. Plus a pump, maybe a tank, a power supply, for plinking in the countryside 50 shots goes quickly. Enjoy your reviews.👍
@chrishenning8829
@chrishenning8829 3 года назад
I have an HW97 also. Great short range springer!
@doop6995
@doop6995 3 года назад
would be good to see it with the open sights also. good review
@UMYEH
@UMYEH 4 года назад
Think my mates poping up later to pick one up of you bud ! good content keep them up very usefull watch
@SuccessShared
@SuccessShared 2 года назад
First video of yours I've seen, and first look at this air rifle, and very impressed with both! Definitely a notch or two up on my first forays into the joys of air rifle shooting in the early 70's - a Mibro G27 .22 and Mod 25 .177 with iron sight! Definitely interested in this and subscribed thank you
@SurvivalMX
@SurvivalMX 4 года назад
I rather the air ventury avenger. Side lever action, regulated and insane accurate. 300 us dollars. The best budget pcp on the market.
@1442GlennLane
@1442GlennLane 4 года назад
Not available in the U.K (at present). Shame, as it looks really good.
@fastscreedltdkarl3245
@fastscreedltdkarl3245 9 месяцев назад
I own a stoeger mx1 1 month and so great fun during this time of a lot of shooting I used 1500 pellets I had to unscrew it 5 times because Pellet Probe it jammed and blocked 😭😭 It makes a very loud click when charging pellet a nice toy for the garden It's not good for Pest control Overall, I don't recommend it
@BedsitBob
@BedsitBob 2 года назад
Isn't this just a Stormrider/PR900W action, in a different stock?
@kennymills3433
@kennymills3433 2 года назад
Absolutely
@Delex9
@Delex9 3 года назад
I brought one last week. I needed something for murdering squirrels. I can't fault your review. The only thing that I had a problem with is the supplied scope, which is useless due to the exposed turrets. I just put on an old 3X9 that I had spare. I'm enjoying it. The squirrels are not.
@boomerisadog3899
@boomerisadog3899 3 года назад
Just witness mark the turrets with a marker or some fingernail polish.
@sidneyeaston6927
@sidneyeaston6927 4 года назад
It is a re branded Chinese SMK PR900W The addition of a few cheap plastic bits will not make it perform any better or worse than the original.
@feath3rs
@feath3rs 4 года назад
Why would you not buy a GAMO Phox/GX40/Urban instead of this 🤔
@arnelunciano9499
@arnelunciano9499 3 года назад
Hm
@jake4194
@jake4194 3 года назад
This is $170, urban is $300
@donaldmarks8707
@donaldmarks8707 4 года назад
Its a PR900 in a cheap stock.:-)
@mikeb1039
@mikeb1039 Год назад
The optional pieces are different SIZES, not just colors or black. ;)
@rjonnyg
@rjonnyg 2 месяца назад
Sold great video Thank you
@constantinsevanglozano8093
@constantinsevanglozano8093 Год назад
I luv my stoeger xm1 suppressor only had it a week.but went fra diana bandit pcp to it ;) very powerfull to with right pellets.
@frontbro9571
@frontbro9571 Год назад
Best pellets for rabbits?
@stevejohnson1797
@stevejohnson1797 3 года назад
It seems good for the money. (If acuracey and relibility is ok!) Thats my main concern.
@FabianM728
@FabianM728 3 года назад
Couldn't decide what to get thanks
@l.bdeerstalking5834
@l.bdeerstalking5834 4 года назад
Great video as usual. Keep up the good work
@Armadurapersonal
@Armadurapersonal 2 года назад
it is the same gun basically as the Diana Stormrider or the Artemis/SPA PR900. I have a PR900 in full power, shoots 18 grain pellets about 800FPS, gives me about 35 shots (5 magazines) before it falls off the regulator. Also has a very nice wood stock.
@johnrose8806
@johnrose8806 3 года назад
Ordered 1 today, good review mate.
@Sideshowbobx
@Sideshowbobx 3 года назад
Just yet another version of the old SMK PR900W in fancy plastic stockings....
@jarodtutton2721
@jarodtutton2721 4 года назад
The annoying thing I’ve found about pcp is that you then have to add on about £200 to the cost for the air cylinders unless there’s a cheaper option
@alun7006
@alun7006 4 года назад
Hand pump. Gets you fit!
@jarodtutton2721
@jarodtutton2721 4 года назад
Alun the ones is found were at a minimum £160, do you know of any cheaper options
@Origami84
@Origami84 3 года назад
@@jarodtutton2721 There are pcp pumps for 50$ around, but i don't how what downsides they might have.
@rubbafunk
@rubbafunk Год назад
Great pro-adaptive review!
@pabloezko530
@pabloezko530 4 года назад
What's the strongest accurate and fastest shooting air gun???
@terryconaway9738
@terryconaway9738 4 года назад
The texan
@Origami84
@Origami84 3 года назад
The producer's website says it is regulated... weird.
4 года назад
good design and looks good. But I don't like too much plastic
@mr.chapel4179
@mr.chapel4179 3 года назад
Not saying who far was the target and 80% of the video is about you clouse up. "Great review."
@royjennison3916
@royjennison3916 4 года назад
great review , well done . i do like that gun
@tonydavisbusiness
@tonydavisbusiness 4 года назад
I would like to know the same.
@davepeters4251
@davepeters4251 Год назад
Hi just bought this today. How does magazine rotate pellets if there in back to front? I'm baffled my first pcp.
@sohailsoomro2691
@sohailsoomro2691 4 года назад
How much price dear
@MudMaxMetalDetecting
@MudMaxMetalDetecting 2 года назад
So it's been around a while now, how are they doing for reliability and durability please? ATB MMMD
@angryprincess5544
@angryprincess5544 3 года назад
my left ear enjoyed this video
@quintinsmith962
@quintinsmith962 3 года назад
All the unboxing vids I have seen in this don’t seem to contain the silencer, could you confirm if this is an extra?
@not_noziix7314
@not_noziix7314 3 года назад
Is it good at range and is it powerful. Also is it recommended 4 pest control
@explosivekittens
@explosivekittens 4 года назад
How much does it cost
@davidmg1925
@davidmg1925 4 года назад
Thats actuallyy pretty quiet. is this better than an x20 suppressor?
@rickwilson5611
@rickwilson5611 3 года назад
Hey I know nothing about these rifles but am thinking about getting one, how do you put air into them? can you use a regular air compressor? I just dont want to spend 1000$ to be able to fill the gun
@armandocolon6076
@armandocolon6076 4 года назад
thats another storm rider with different stock or pr900
@mikesharp4033
@mikesharp4033 4 года назад
Really? The Weihrauch HW99s comes from a manufacturer with a reputation for quality and durability. A bargain for a life-long rifle at £239.
@alun7006
@alun7006 4 года назад
The HW99s is a springer.
@blakesterr.9599
@blakesterr.9599 4 года назад
I kinda enjoy Weihrauch (HW44, HW98, HW80, HW35E). We don't get the HW99 in the states. Dianwerks, and Air Arms also make good rifles. I have an old Dianwerks M34, and it's awesome. Air Arms ProSport kicks butt too. Best spring-piston rifle I ever fired. I even ordered a second one in .177. Spendy, but you get decades of life and enjoyment. On pcp, I'm Airforce and EDgun. Both are exceptional and powerful.
@garyrobinson312
@garyrobinson312 4 года назад
The guy is talking about budget PCP's specifically
@XxxXxx-fo1zi
@XxxXxx-fo1zi 4 года назад
hi guys, just thinking of buy a air rifle, saw this comment and wondering if that gun is good? HW99?
@XxxXxx-fo1zi
@XxxXxx-fo1zi 4 года назад
@@blakesterr.9599 what gun you would advice to buy, which is your fav? much appreciated
@waynepratt9072
@waynepratt9072 4 года назад
Your a good new generation gunsmith! Keep up the good work 🍺
@chopperhehehe
@chopperhehehe 4 года назад
For the money nice enoff gun Good rewiev fun to watch 👍👍👍😜🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🦄🎣😁🤞✌️
@michaelbritain5546
@michaelbritain5546 3 года назад
If only Stoeger would work on the trigger group, they have the making of good rifles...
@L25rn
@L25rn 4 года назад
I just scrapped out the last greatest air rifle from Stoeger their ATAC Supressed. Pure garbage and no help from Stoeger. Sawed the stock in half and dropped it into the recycle bin along with the loose metal parts.2 inch groups at 10 yards and 4 inch groups at 30 yards.
@Archmagos_Faber
@Archmagos_Faber 4 года назад
it looks beautiful!
@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069
@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 4 года назад
Each to there own
@homeschooldaddyjournal9839
@homeschooldaddyjournal9839 4 года назад
Can you do a video on the Stoeger Condor? There are a lot of those O/Us here in the US
@Freshprincefromparis
@Freshprincefromparis 3 года назад
Hello, what is the brand and type of silencer.Thanks
@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069
@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 4 года назад
Shoots good enough,,,,,,,,,,looks Horrible, like a lot of modern Air rifles and pistols...But I am a miserable Bastard
@Jules-qy8wc
@Jules-qy8wc 4 года назад
I have to agree, it is one of the ugliest air rifles I've ever seen 😂
@HJDore
@HJDore 4 года назад
MAN OF KENT HORNET thumbhole stocks on sporting rifles just look horrible.
@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069
@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 4 года назад
@@Jules-qy8wc This seems to be the thing now mate. Horrible.
@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069
@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 4 года назад
@@HJDore Not my cup of tea
@mrgp88
@mrgp88 4 года назад
Have you found if it's possible to change the hammer configuration? I have the impression that it is configured to type to the max which is not great. A chrony does not show me a standard curve for an unregulated PCP (only to go down from the first shot)
@MrSmokinMirrors
@MrSmokinMirrors 3 года назад
Can't believe you forgot to show the bottle and how it is installed. :(
@yammydodger1988
@yammydodger1988 Месяц назад
Why is yours the only review that tells us it's un-regulated, every other says it is.
@sasquatch5863
@sasquatch5863 2 года назад
that hammer bounce...
@feuquegougueul1592
@feuquegougueul1592 3 года назад
Hello! I am in France and I bought an XM1 in .117, which is the same except for the caliber. I pass over the fact that I am old and with my broken right shoulder I cannot pump at 200 bar (but I ordered a GX CS3 PCP compressor Sold by: ANKUL on Amazon, very expensive, and I'm waiting for him. But I have some concerns, the smallest being the stock a little short for my big arms, I don't have a thread like on yours, but it is sufficiently silent, but ESPECIALLY, I see, at 10:06 on your video, that you have a kind of inlet against the dust, but mine is delivered without this accessory, and the seller told me that he received them without this accessory. Obviously I will order one in England , if you have an address, or at least, if you could give me the dimensions of yours (diameter, length and material) I will have one made by a friend who is a turner-mechanic who is equipped for that. I will very much appreciate a response from you, with all my friendship from France. Have a good time with this rifle. Charles
@realvictim
@realvictim 4 года назад
I have been eyeing up PCPs for a while now (my old springer has really had it) but I would have to save-up a bit longer or dig deeper and go further up market. Whilst I trust Jonny's opinion highly, I just couldn't bring my self to buy something that looks so 'orrible :D How's your BSA inventory ? ;)
@robertbonini
@robertbonini 4 года назад
You never showed how the air compression system works....does it take co2 or what?
@itswejam168
@itswejam168 3 года назад
I have a question my handpump when its not connect with the gun it work we kan feel the air going away and when we put it in the gun the air dosent goes in. Thank you for helping me.
@bulentkarakus76
@bulentkarakus76 3 года назад
Hi mate r u still in Ringwood? Any way nice video love it take care 👍
@chriscooper339
@chriscooper339 3 года назад
Debating buying one and testing velocity with helium
@Sgt_Hest
@Sgt_Hest 3 года назад
Diana Stormrider in a new skin
@patnoble1914
@patnoble1914 Год назад
I bought a Stoeger and after years of shooting it I nic-named it Lightning. It never hits in the same place twice. I have tried every pellet known to man. I have tried every trick I know and all I could find on RU-vid, nothing works. I would never buy another one.
@Theshropshireratter
@Theshropshireratter Год назад
What kind of grouping are you getting?
@jeremyhowes2399
@jeremyhowes2399 4 года назад
Just visited your website, do you sell guns ?
@jeffreyhutalla4651
@jeffreyhutalla4651 4 года назад
Wow beautiful airgun ...Sana magkaroon din ako niyan ..thanks
@toddolatheks.1328
@toddolatheks.1328 4 года назад
I joined your channel because you showed me a really cool air gun and I want it I will have it not that one but one...
@SeeTheSilence
@SeeTheSilence 4 года назад
Which gun? Don’t mind my late self, lmao
@explosivekittens
@explosivekittens 4 года назад
I want that but if it uses co2 canisters i dont
@davecharlesworth8176
@davecharlesworth8176 3 года назад
Nice review.
@jaypeemagno7044
@jaypeemagno7044 4 года назад
Nice airgun,I like it.
@cooperherrenbruck8505
@cooperherrenbruck8505 3 года назад
My left ear was loaded with the voice of this gentlemen
@jaydowwg8150
@jaydowwg8150 11 месяцев назад
Can I buy this ? I live in America
@mosesburd8570
@mosesburd8570 2 года назад
What hand pump is compatible with this rifle
@PeterHatch-mx7zc
@PeterHatch-mx7zc Год назад
Where do I buy one please
@connor2dap884
@connor2dap884 Год назад
30 yards sounds about right to me
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