I am sorry but anybody watching this, please DO NOT take his opinion to heart! I have to say while this video is well put together, BUT it's obvious that he did not do his research on the af100 at all. I am shocked. Real talk the AF100 has more features than all of the other cameras probably combined. Like for focus you didn't even realize that it has focus peaking (one of the 1st cameras ever to offer that) and it has a focus range indicator which tells you how much of the overall scene is in focus. And also the af100 has a dynamic range extender function that allows you 12 stops of dynamic range. The AF100 actually allows you to do color grading in-camera...like basically dealing with color wheel functions, something neither one of the other cameras allow you to do. I also have been able to push the image processing in post more on an af100 than a newer G7 camera. The only real drawback is that you have to use the AVC codec which sometimes is difficult to deal with but it does allow you to get more space on your SD card and yes the infamous autofocus being slow but let's be honest, if you are using autofocus on a cinema camera than you are half-assing the process of creating cinema 🤷🏽♀️Bottom line is, get the camera you can afford, LEARN IT'S LIMITATIONS AND WORK WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES and you will be just fine....Oh and invest in glass!!
Invest in glass? I’m a beginner ild like to purchase a camera for music videos something that i can send the footage to davinci and something that looks amazing
It is old camera. From everything i seen is fine but i dont know if i would dare to use it for something that i would charge money for. It is mostly learning tool at this point. It have looks and functions but IQ is where it falls short. TBS Canon is basicly same story with better image quality but on expense of much less versitile mount. Remember that af100 is only one that supports basicly any lens and speedboosters. BM4k is the best image quality and easy to use and probably most future proof of them 3. Just buy 1 with mft mount if you can.
I love my BMPC. It paid for itself almost immediately. If you want a camera with features and a look that rivals much more expensive cinema cameras, you can't beat it for the price.
@@WEHAVETHISDREAM I have the original Blackmagic Production Camera. I honestly prefer the image to the newer models (possibly because I've seen so much footage from them that it's all starting to look the same). People who I've shot for like what comes out of it, so I'm going to run with that until I absolutely need an upgrade.
@@adrianneely5882 movie "The Raid" 2011 was shoot on camcorder Panasonic AG-AF100 4/3- sensor that cant even do 1080p instead 1080i, and did 10mil in box office.
I have the Production 4K, and it is incredible! I bought it as a backup camera to go along with my Pocket 6K. The global shutter is everything! If you're shooting a lot of action and moving your camera this is the one you need. Honestly, if this thing had false color I'd probably trade the Pocket 6K in for another one of these.
Great video man, I'm glad you went into detail with these cameras. I'm a c100 user and I REALLY like it. I've had access to it for a short while but coming from EOS models it was a smooth transition.
They offered me a canon C100 Mark 1 and 2 lenses for $1,000, I have only used Canon 5D and the Black Magic 4K and I'm nervous to buy the C100. It interested me cuz of the Deal $1,000, What do u thjnk
Nice review, thanks! Since none of these cameras are new, I assume you are looking at used pieces of the cameras. In that case you might find the newer BMPCC 4K available at under 1000 USD. And if you throw that in the mix instead of the production cam 4K, there's a huge jump in quality. It would be wonderful to have a comparison of - BMPCC 4K, Panasonic GH5 and Sony FS700 (or similar older Sony cine cam), and the experience with those.
I use the BMPCC 4k and it is generally amazing, alongside it, I also use the BMS 4k, and the BM Ursa G2 and I’ll honestly say that the studio isn’t really all that much better, and the Ursa is only better ‘cus of the lens. (coming from someone who doesn't bother shooting in 6k, as I prefer to shoot in 4k to save space and then edit in 1080p)
Great vid. I have a BMPC4K and love it, but here's a few extra things to consider before buying. You need to update the firmware to the latest (2016) release, as it suffers from fixed pattern noise on any previous release - this is the main reason it was largely overlooked when released. You'll need a computer with thunderbolt 1 or 2 to do this (or by a pricey adapter from apple, but there are non-genuine ones availible). Blackmagic made the USB next to the ssd redundant for its newer updates for some reason. It was intended to be powered by a v mount battery, however with the release of usb power delivery, you can now power it from a 12v usb PD battery bank, however I haven't tested this yet, so I can't say how long the battery will last, but it's alot cheaper than a v mount or npf for new shooters. You can replace the internal battery, it is a bit difficult to pry it open and change it. There are some tutorials on RU-vid, but it's not really worth it. It only lasts around an hour on a brand new battery anyway. However having an internal battery is still very useful, even an original one, as it enables you to hot swap external batteries during shooting. It was made to be in a cage, you can still find a lanparte or Tilta cage for it, but they're expensive. You can get a cheap (around £50) cage from Ali express, but you'll still need to invest in side handles, top handle, baseplate etc. The 6g sdi is basically a hot rodded 3g sdi, they did it by removing the surge protection from the 3g. This means it's possible to blow out the sdi port by creating a ground loop between the camera and monitor. There's alot of information on the blackmagic forum about This. Apparently BM are no longer supporting repairs or making replacement sdi boards for this camera so it's worth knowing how to avoid it. You'll want to check BM's list of compatible ssds before buying one, as slow read/write speeds will result in lost frames. The pre-amps in this camera aren't very good. Instead of connecting a mic straight to the camera, you'll want to use an audio recorder instead, the tascam 60D mkii has great pre amps and phantom power. You can then take audio out from that into the camera to have it synced to the footage, or record scratch audio on the camera. Aps-c photography lenses work great for anything that isn't meant to look too cinematic. Sigma's older EX lenses are quite affordable now and look pretty good. Vintage lenses are the cheap answer to cinematic looks until you can afford some real cine glass. I agree that if you want a complete camera that you can easily run and gun with and not have a big set up time, buy the c100. If you want to learn how to rig use a cinema camera and learn about higher end (especially film and advertising) production in general, buy the black magic.
Having used both I personally gotta recommend the 4k. Both cameras have the nice Fairchild look, although the 4k is actually a CMOSIS sensor. The color science is similar, you have to tweak the 4k a bit more to make it render nicely. The 1 stop less dynamic range on the 4k really make a huge difference as long as you are good with highlight rolloff. The crop on 4k is a good bit over super 35, but the crop on the 2.5k is absolutely bananas. The 2.5k is essentially a m4/3 sized sensor but on the active mount models its ef so you can't use focal reducers. It's pretty tough to film everything when a 12mm rectilinear lens becomes a 25mm equivalent. You need fisheye to approach 16mm territory, but if massive crop isn't a dealbreaker for you, the 4k still is preferable bc of the global shutter and sharpness. The 2.5k looks a good bit soft for modern standards, it's cleaner bc of the rolling shutter but the greater sharpness of the 4k lend itself to denoting as well as olpf/ diffusion simulation to cover up flaws. The real crown jewel is the global shutter. It does a lot more than just stop rolling distortion, it completely changes the way the camera looks as it moves through the air. Stedicam footage has a controlled and deliberate feel, the famous cutting through the air effect is greatly enhanced. Shoulder footage shake is easier to decipher and much less disorienting. Movement in general is much easier to appreciate as the flicker effect of motion blur is reduced. The images get a big, grounded, emotional feeling to them. When things are still, they feel still. When they are chaotic they feel exciting but not glitchy. The 4k gives you the opportunity to access a look that otherwise can't be had cheaper than the $6k red komodo. Both cameras are impractical to shoot with by modern standards, and somewhat niche use. The main selling point is getting a camera that makes unique, pleasant images with a few quirks but cinema consistency. The 4k has the most definitive aesthetic, and works in the most situations. Both are lovely cameras, but I personally find the 4k to be the camera that does what I want. It's easier follow the 4k's initiave, go the way that is organic to the camera, instead of fighting to make the image something it is not. Plus you can actually shoot wide, unless you are willing to get a m4/3 2.5k with a speed booster and use a micro usb cable to power the aperture control or use vintage/cinema lenses.
James Rolfe of _Cinemassacre_ / _The Angry Video Game Nerd_ used the AF100 for many years and even shot a feature-length movie on it that was released on Blu-ray. It looks amazing with the lenses he rented for that movie. This is a channel with millions of subscribers, so it's not like he was just scraping by. He finally upgraded to a GH5 (which is crazy considering that's a relatively cheap camera to be considered an upgrade), but the AF100 footage still holds up well. More from James about all of his cameras can be found here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uxqaI0UBDHM.html
I still use a couple of C100 MKII pumping into 2xNinja V when it's really important and I really appreciate how solid they are and how easy the footage is to work with. Getting used to the C series at the lower end helps when you rent the more expensive cameras in the range as most of what you learn on the 100 is transferable to the 300 etc. In the corporate world, the C series cameras are the standard work horses. Everybody has EF lenses which is a huge plus. However, when I'm, traveling light (most of the time) I'm still going to use my GH4 and GH5s. The GH5s into the Ninja V for prorez RAW is pretty unbeatable. Thanks for taking the time to put this together. Great to see.
May I ask what do you think about the new GH6? When it will be available, of course haha. I was looking at the GH5s last week. I don’t care if something is new or old, even looked at the C100 or Blackmagic Pocket cam, a lot of times. But, I really need some good slow motion footage. Even full hd, but it should not be some lame cropped in 120fps or upscaled 720p. Please help? :) Good sir.
The AF100 does actually have a very good focus assist feature and it can easily assigned to any of the 3 user buttons. Also, it's important to note that the AF100 can use a wide range of lenses, including very affordable and lightweight lenses which might not be an option with the other cameras. There are many other factors for why someone might choose one camera over another, but those things weren't covered in this review. My choice of the 3 cameras would be the AF100.
AGREED! That camera is old but it still produces great imagery. I am using it right now as a C cam on a feature and in editing I find myself choosing shots from that cam quite often.
Straight up! He also forgot to mention face tracking which is suuuuuper useful when you are using the native lenses. Picked one up about a month ago and has been the most solid choice, the top handle is perfect for the stuff I need it for and the ergonomics of this camera compared to the other two are unmatched.
BRUH! How you miss the BIG OLD Handle grip at the top of the AF100 for low angle handling??? Like it's right there! It literally has the grooves for your fingers on the grip. 🤣 Panasonic always makes the best grips for camera handling, you just disrespected them right now for no reason.
That OG black magic is so filmic and organic! Great content, found your channel recently and subbed, your content style rocks. Keep up the killer work!
I agree that the C100 MKii is still the best 1080p camera out there. I own three and use them for wedding videos and customers are always impressed with the setup and final videos as well. Best 5 thousand I have ever spent on my business.
Some new BMPC4k footage in case anyone is looking ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-irhdw7sWMQg.html (I seem to have graded it a touch dark)
I owned the AF100. I used for event video (live theatre, concerts and dance shows). I bought it new. Right out of the box it struggled with saturated reds (very common in my work). I used an Atomos Samurai Blade to record with. In post I was able to work on the reds but it was a pain. I sold it after a few years. Now I have two GH5’s, one GH5 Mk 2, and a Panasonic PX 270.
Hey man, great video, you really put in the effort, a reccomendation would be to have a look at repeating information/over expaining, I just ended up for example, skipping the entire intro, because you did'nt really give any valuable info, and what you said you could've said shorter, keep up the good work!
The Blackmagic Camera is capable of a beautiful image, but it needs a lot of work, foresight and money (Accesories, fast lenses) to get there, so for me not really a $1000 camera anymore. The C100 with DAF would be my overall winner. Put a decent lens on it and it's a great grab and go camera.
Dual pixel AF works very well in the C100, I've used it on a number of videos and its pretty good... I do custom set the MAGN button on the grip to turn AF off... so if you have a talking head say, it doesn't try to focus behind if the subject moves... but just like older DSLR cameras keeping the AF square on the subject tracks focus well...
You can buy a Blackmagic Pocket cinema Camera 4k New for 1130€/$ and its include a Davinci Resolve studio licens wich i selled for 180€ on ebay. That would be 950€/$ for a Great and Brand New Cinemacamera wich has 2 years warranty. And you dont have to snipe a deal, ist just the normal price.
43:47 When I saw the c100's images I was impressed with how clean and clear they are, but then I realized how much the blackmagic delivers something organic, it's hard to explain, it seems to have less resolution, but at the same time it's nicer. Thanks for the video!
A lot of people have ignored the fixed lens Panasonic DVX200 which is a phenomenal camera with phenomenal glass. I used one just recently and quite frankly I was blown away.
It could have been THE best camcorder on the market, usability, ease of use and other features. I got rid of mine because the color space was so bad though. Even with custom color settings it had weird skin tone issues.
Recording shows in my studio as a minister. I have Bible studies and teachings that last a while. I have a sony a6400 and was thinking about a cam corder for longer recordings. what would you recommend, the Sony AX53 or something like the Cnon c100?
I own 2 Black Magic 2.5k Cameras (and 3 other cameras); but I want to own 3 Canon C100s instead; It'd be nice to have lots of money where I can buy what other people have too.
I think I'd rather go with a used GH5, some cheap prime lenses, a good but cheap monitor, a batterygrip and a deity shotgun-mic. I think that should cover everything for the start. GH5: 4K 60 FPS in 8-Bit 4K 30 FPS in 10-Bit (possible with ALL-Intra at 400 Mbit) FULL HD 180 FPS max in 8-Bit Prime Lenses: from 7Artisans for around 80-150 per lens (various focal lenghts). Cheap monitor: 5 inch monitor from Feelworld, probably for around 130€ new Batterygrip: pick the knock-off one --> way cheaper Audio: Pick the Deity D4 Mini for the start Awesome audio as well as an additional input on the mic, where you could input a LAV The Deity will then automatically switch to the right channel and record the LAV on the left channel. Amazing Mic And I think you can get all of that with close to 1000€ if you find a good price on the GH5 (normally around 700€ but sometimes I see it used for 400-500)
honestly, picking any of those over a mirrorless camera now a days is absolutely NOT worth it imho. For a thousand bucks, just pick a Fuji X-t4 for example, and enjoy 10bit 4k60p recording with LOG profile, film simulations, slow motion, and great stills.. the only "cinema" features I see here (besides the body design) is the Pro Res and CDNG RAW of the black magic, the 2 other cameras are more like camcorders.
Such good cameras for so cheap is crazy!!! Never has been such a time. Its because the market is waaaay too saturated... Every year, new camera, new camera. The specs through the roof!!! But you truly can make super frekin good quality video with 5dmk2. That i bought for 250!!! good Gear doesnt get old this fast. Everything is underpriced actualy, just because there is so much new things...
None of these have time code.. AF100 I owned clipped the heck out of red channel highlights causing nasty ugly yellow blotches. Don't clip the highlights! GH6 innards in an AF100 body. That's what I want. Internal mics are only useful for scratch sound for sync.
The Panasonic AF100 was never an "awesome" camera. At the time it was released, it was not even as advanced as a Lumix GH2. What was even worse than its pathetic 24Mbps bit rate was the AF100's horrid tendency to break up into crude macroblocks when stressed with detailed movement. Anyone interested in the AF100 at this point would do far better to check out the JVC LS300, a remarkably versatile 4K MFT cinema camera that is nearing the $1000 used price point itself.
I am trying to figure out what to buy, probably go with C100 becuase EF elns prices are good. so I found it helpful and watched the whole thing. Thanks.
Nice video. That comment at 31:58 about built in NDs separating pro cinema cameras from consumer video cameras... Best not let Arri or Panavision know that! And me remembering the times before RU-vid when only TV broadcast cameras had built in NDs, ACTUAL cinema cameras didn't have NDs, and there were no such things as consumer video cameras. Good times.
I think the image from BMCC 2.5k is BETTER that the bmcc 4k. the bmcc 2.5k with its dual gain fairchild sensor just feels like the real deal. bmcc 4k has the cmosis and it just doesnt looks as good.
Seen quality product that can come out of the BMPC4K, but I would not use it for documentary work, unless I was trying to win a film festival, or 4k was absolutely necessary.
If BlackMagic stepped it up with the ergonomics, there would be no contest for me. I love BM colors and video quality, but I can't stand the awkward form factor. It's a weird middle ground between a camera that demands to be rigged and a handheld one. If you want to go with the former for cinema and set workflow, a cube configuration is much better than having a rectangular body. If you want to appeal to run-and-gun documentary and action shooters, a camcorder-like form factor with tactile dials, built-in handles and XLR inputs is a better fit.
I still love my AF100, and mine is still in pretty good shape, but the handle was a real pain in the hind. I 3d printed a semi vertical handle and the camera, just changed forever, now you can handle it in every situation you need. If anyone need the stl just let me know.
Excuse me, but how would you know? I can’t imagine the C100 not being used in “big” productions, as even I heard about it so many times… and never heard of the Panasonic one.
Thank you for taking the time to create this video, I came here to find out more about the C100 and so the comparison was still valid for me. Why spend £2k plus when starting out. These are great cameras to learn the ropes and get decent footage. When you're more experienced you're in a better place to make a more informed decision. In the meantime, you can't go wrong with a C100 and as you said at the outset, there's plenty of them around for £500-600 (Mk1).
