For the price, it's hard to ignore this one: amzn.to/3yWfxGt DeWalt's 20V XR come out this month, you can bet we'll be giving that a look as well. If you think this Makita is more like a mid torque because it's 1/4" longer than the DeWalt, well we had to make the cut-off somewhere and at 3.1lbs it doesn't compare in too many metrics to the smallest mid torque ever, the M18 at 5.1lbs. The average mid-torque length is 7.1". FAQ: Why did the Ridgid perform so low when I saw it on X channel do 225, 250 ft-lbs breakaway ect. Answer: No one source's numbers are CORRECT, even from brands. What's important is how they compare to each other on any unchanged test. So our question back would be how did the DeWalt, Milwaukee or Makita do on those same channels/tests? For example, Shop Tools Reviews (great channel) did 250 removing with the Ridgid, but also did 450-500 with the DeWalt and Milwaukee.
That’s 3/8” rigid subcompact 350 and 1/2” 4ah m12 stubby 375. It would be convincing if you show the settings before running any test. Your test can hide lots things from an experiment setup point of view so maybe try to be as transparent as possible. Also, in reality cases, m12 stubby and Ridgid subcompact have similar torque. That’s from watching 50+ related videos. I bought m12 stubby at first, but after some analysis and thinking, I choose not to trust your numbers in this vid. But great channel and lots useful info. Still big thanks.
If you are a Miata guy, you get the Ridgid (compact). If you are a Corvette guy, you get the Makita (value for power). If you are a Wrangler guy, you get the DeWalt (okay at everything; great at very little). If you are a Boxster guy, you get the Milwaukee (a little better than a Miata for a lot more money).
I love my Ridgid Subcompact, bought one at Home Depot it came with a Case, a battery charger, and with a 2.0 lithium battery for just $139 thats a steal! If youre looking to get a combo like that with a Dewalt, Makita or Milwaukee youre looking to spend over $250 if not more. Ive used it on lug nuts that are 80-150ft pounds and removes them without a problem.
@@Fromthefuturetimes Well yes, Ridgid is advertise for home DIY. I've work as construction helper (for my uncle) for over a year and seen many people at the site and never seen any other brand than DeWalt and Milwaukee. Well the test is evident it self, if you need an affordable decent tool at home, Ridgid will get the job done. I'm a Makita guy, so I go for precision and finesse + durability. I also own M12 line because they're so useful and my go to for 80% of the time at home.
I’ve got the Makita DTW300 (UK model I think), and work on trains, old trains, that haul round the seaside, so nice and salty all year round. The tool impresses me all the time, and the functions it has. So much power, it out strips the Dewalt impacts we have. Highly recommended from me. Thank you for putting the numbers down on it TTC.
Recently bought the same DTW300, had to bring it with me to the side of the road for busting a wheel bolt loose that was overly tightend with a proper big air tool at the tire shop, owner claimed that it couldn't be done with such a small cordless tool. But damn, it blew him away of how easy it was for the DTW300, what a machine!
EXACTLY what I wanted. Literally spent a month researching for a compact to use around the car and just bought the xwt14z 2 days ago. Glad it's king of 'stubby'. I already had other 18v Makita tools and they are excellent.
@@xXPhIlIeSXx2010 Well I was able to fit it in my inside my engine compartment for mounts and removed caliper bolts without turning the wheel. Still, M12 was really good
I work on heavy equipment and use the ridgid sub compact everyday. For taking panels off and other light work it’s awesome. Obviously it has limitations but don’t forget the lifetime warranty it has too. Ridgid is the only one that does it, even their batteries
When I was a wee lad in the early 1980s, my (oldest) brother went to dinner with his girlfriends family in Anchorage (Alaska), we all lived in the matsu valley an hours drive north of Anchor-town. When they got back to their house there were fire trucks up and down the street. It didn't take long to realize it was their house that had been on fire. There was nothing left but ash. They lost every thing. They had the clothes on their backs and the Chevy Suburban that they were now living in, the cash in Dads wallet and nothing else. Cellular communication was none existant in the area at the time so short wave radio was king. Their Dad ran a home business selling and servicing short wave radio equipment, so they lost their livelihood too. They rebuilt their house using a table saw, a sliding compound miter saw, skillsaw, and a bunch of Makita 9.6v Ni-Cad battery powered tools. Those 9.6v tools did the job just fine. The house is now three stories tall and still standing. It has survived many a 6.0 and stronger earthquakes. My point being. Do we really need 20v, 24v, 40v, etc.? I'm perfectly fine with the power output of most modern 12v tools. And the batteries are smaller/lighter/cheaper(most times). I've use the Milwaukee 12v and Bosch 12v tools and Bosh is the most comfortable (imo) but Milwaukee has the power edge. Battery shape/size (form factor) is a big selling point for me. 12v definitely has the edge in my world. I love this channel. I was an auto mechanic for 30yrs. and I do other stuff now but, I really love tools and this channel rocks. Thanks guys. ... oh, my Bro and 'the girlfriend' eventually married, had kids and my niece and her family are now currently living in that same house. That's four generations living in a house that Makita 9.6v built.
I agree I'm happy to use my 20v impact for most of my stuff but it is nice to use that beefy 24v or higher when you have a nut that just won't come loose
The Makita 40v XGT platform is needed not because 12v screwdrivers are too weak, but because they needed a battery system that can power all your tools, including table saws, lawnmowers and chainsaws, with a single 40v battery or double for 80v. My first 40v Makita was an angle grinder, big improvement since the old models with adequate power used 2x18v.
So... by now do you guys just have storage shelves full of impacts? I'm picturing a weird mechanic's version of a sommelier's wine cellar. "This rare 2020 1/2 ridged vintage outperformed our expectation and was a suprisingly delightful experience. 95/100"
I'm fully on the Makita platform for my 18v tools, and have the "big daddy" XWT08 for hard jobs, but I also have the Milwaukee M12 stubby for the large majority of my automotive work. There are a few times where I could use a bit more beans that the M12, for sure......looks like the compact Makita would fill the gap perfectly.
I have the Makita. It has become a go to. Slap an adapter on it and use a driver bit. Put a 1/2 to 3/8 adapter on it. Need to sharpen the lawnmower blade just be careful because it will spin it fast. Goes in the car on camping tricks to put the jacks down or change a tire (2 weeks ago got a flat and used it to put the jacks down to raise the camper and spin the lugs off to change the tire. Quickest camper tire change ever.) Due to size it is a must.
@@yourmom922 M12 is an awful impact wrench for people who do assembly work. (I'm talking thousands upon thousands of bolts a day) M12 stubby is for auto mechanics who have limited access and need the smallest tool possible, but probably aren't doing more than a few hundred bolts a day or holding the wrench in their hand or off their belt for hours a day. M12s have an awful grip, bad balance and bad runtime, so they make terrible production wrenches. Everyone in our industry (AG Construction) runs 18V compacts for the bulk of their production/assembly work. Only useful 12V tools we'll run are the auto ratchets and the rivet gun.
Obviously you want M18 for high quantity. M12 is meant for tight spaces and are considered one handed tools. Ill deal with a larger grip on m12s just for the 3.0ah compact batteries when nothing else will fit (especially nice on the ratchets, right angle impact, regular impacts and drills. I only use the 6.0ah when you need a little more but mainly runtime (m12 inflator or fuel wet vac). But if you can fit the 6.0ah on an m12 drill or impact then you can probably fit the M18 tool as well and is probably the better choice. I like having the options, I have both. M12 for tight spaces and lower quantity jobs, M18 for more power and or high repetition jobs.
Was looking forward to this video!! Very impressed with how far tools have come in the past 6 years, the next generation of these smaller category of tools will be very interesting to see, I think we reached the physical limit of these motors in these sizes
I run that Makita impact and absolutly love it. Actually all the new Makita impacts are sleepers, i have all 3 flavors and the m12 stubby and stick with the makita in this episode. I rock mine with a 2.0 and it keeps it light and useable all day.
My mentality too, use subcompact/compact Makita tools with 2ah batteries for comfort and more than ADEQUATE power. However i also bought the smaller Makita, the subcompact 1/2" that is pretty weak and when it struggles it will not impact evenly, no serious rattling but definitely a bit off.
I have that Makita and recently used it on a deck job to screw in 6in lags. With my 5amp battery and on the highest settings it has too much power for that task. It drove the lags way too fast and aggressive. I started using my 2amp batteries and set it on number 3 to drive it, and then number 2 to finish setting it. It has crazy power.
All of my cordless tools are Makita (recently bought their 10,000 lumen shop light) plus some Snap On, so I'm pleased to see the little Makita do so well! Basically all modern brand name cordless tools are excellent, so it's always best to just stick with one battery platform (in my opinion).
I have the DTW 300 makita impact. I belive that is the same as the XWT14 in the US but I'm not 100% certain. In normal use I've been super happy with it. It seems strong and only rarely did it not take of bolts.
Yes it is the same. I also happen to have the DTW300 and it's good enough to be my only impact for my garage work and changing tyres on track days. Its bigger brother is DTW700 (XWT17), quite praised on this channel and I would have it if it existed at the time of me buying the DTW300. And then there's the huge 1000 Nm DTW1002 (XWT08) - not so good according to the review here.
@@TeeJayka I'm looking between buying the 300 and 700. You now think you should have got the 700 instead of the 300? Any issues with the hog ring holding the sockets on?
@@jameshill4900 The only benefit of the 300 is it's small so it can get into places where 700 might not, that's the only benefit. Typically I cannot loosen crazy overtightened lug nuts or just VW axle bolts (180 Nm + 180°) with the 300 but that's what the big boys are for. The 700 would probably handle it, at least the lug nuts even when overtightened. Since both 300 and 700 are similar in size and price, I'd get 700 any day. The hog ring is fine - after 2 years, it's doing its job. Rarely I have a loose socket or one that's too tight but it's always a problem of the socket unrelated to the hog ring.
I owned the XWT14Z since it came out and then replaced it with XGT (the same but a bit smoother). I knew it was a beast but I’m shocked by this. Milwaukee’s impact driver is like twice as powerful as my Makita impact drivers. I presumed that that dynamic would have transferred over to the impact wrenches
Never been a huge makita fan, I think I will stick to my milwaukee for now. I am not sure that buying a whole new line would be healthy for me. It is definitely a love/hate relationship with you TTC. I love this channel but I hate that I want to buy everything.
The Makita isn't even a compact or sub compact if you ask me. If I need all that power I'll use my full size milwaukee. The benefit of the milwaukee and dewault is that they are small so you can fot them in more places the Makita not so much its massive.
@@GamingwithIinfected The Makita is barely larger than the DeWalt and it is not a large or heavy tool by any means? The xwt17 mid torque is pretty hefty but this tool not so much.
@@clarkfos3447 Its almost an inch long then the Milwaukee. I buy a compact impact so it fits in small places. If it doesn't fit then it doesn't matter how much torque it makes I'm resorting to hand tools anyway.
Hey, I asked to have this Makita tested! Although I haven't even had a chance to use mine yet, I'm stoked to see it does so well. She'll get a workout soon, looks like it should be a nice upgrade over my old one
I work with the 3/8 version of the ridgid (same spec) and it was mainly to replace a impact driver with adaptor that always break... and that is perfect. Anyway if its not enough I have the mid torque or even the high torque on 9ah that is greater on your scoreboard.
@@Yophillips3272 honestly - this is probably the most compelling argument, but if I'm totally honest, 12v lines have more than enough torque for 90% of work. I really think they could do with developing more 12v tools. They'd be smaller, less expensive and more convenient. I was a mechanic for the US postal service for 3 years and I used my Bosch 12v for everything aside from lug nuts and crank bolts. I suppose it's in part a numbers game, so we'll probably never see that happen, but one can wish. After writing all this, I had the thought - companies have already brought to market packs that can output 2 different voltages. This would be the perfect solution, imo.
Some people need the runtime of 18V batteries though. Bosch/M12 grips are also horrible if you've ever had to hold a wrench in your hand and tighten/loosen bolts for an hour straight. 12V tools are for intermittent use a la the auto shop. Let's not forget that there are people besides auto mechanics who use these tools. For a lot of people 12V tools are just a waste of space on their service truck. If you're already outfitted with high/mid torques (which will always be best on 18V) then it makes sense for companies to offer these same people a smaller option that still uses the same batteries. Last thing I want to do is ditch the 5 compact wrenches on our truck for some crapass 12V tools that can't do the job nearly as well and then have a bunch of useless batteries for one tool mixed in with all our drills, drivers & saws. Only 12V tool we carry every day is an autoratchet, and that's one tool where the 18V will never be better than 12V. 18V impact drivers will never go away for the same reasons.
Wow that 12v DeWalt is impressive. I almost pulled the trigger on it, but I don't have the 12v platform. Then i was thinking about that 18v Milwaukee since I have the high torque with several bats. Nope I'll just wait on the 20v version ...hurry up already!!!!
The Ridgid sub-compact is just boss. Not at all scientific but it straight away removed T55 bolts securing my bed to my frame. Truck is from 2008, in the rust belt, and has large holes rusted thru the bed. It's just so tiny! Also, perhaps break down the categories by anvil size? Comparing a 1/2 to the 3/8" subcompact is ehhhh.
The rigid looks like it would be good for the things you would do with an impact driver but when you need a male square drive instead of female hex drive.
I have the ridgid in the 3/8 version sub compact and soon the Octane 3/8 as well. I fully expect the octane to be stronger as it is the same setup as the octane 1/4 inch impact and it definitely has more power than the sub compact even losing torque with a 1/4 hex to 3/8 square adapter. All that being said, other than the awkwardness of the battery being as big as the head, the subcompact is pleanty of lightweight power for anything you would normally use a 3/8 for.
Agreed. Im a diesel tech and I use my Ridgid for small stuff like door rollers, and starters. Works very well for the right applications and it's lightweight. I have a mid torque 1/2 Milwaukee for heavy stuff 🙃🙃
Still loving my DeWalts. They are rarely on top in your testing but they get the job done in the real-world. And they are the only US-owned company so that means more to me than any chart or scoresheet. Still loving the channel tho. Keep up the great work guys 👍🇺🇲
@@TorqueTestChannel Yes, me too. The DCF901 & 902 definitely see the most use. Also, my MAC BRS038 12v 3/8 Ratchet. They are all just so lightweight and powerful. The 901 handles most lugnuts and suspension stuff, rarely do I need the 20v mid and high torques.
@@CarlosRodriguez-mi2uy Yes, the 901 will handle pretty much every fastener on a car, and can easily do lug nuts and brake hardware on trucks up to 3500s. It might start having issues with rusted ball joints on a big truck or something like that... but for the most part the 901 will get it done. 👍
30yr veteran Auto tech here- What a great time to be alive, lol. I have mostly Team Red... and a small old Bosch 1/4 impact (just because I have bosch worklights) that just won't die. That Makita is interesting for sure, but it's a bit too big for my liking. Not worth the investment just yet since I have several other options when the job warrants more than a m12 stubby impact.
Milwaukee fans been taking a lot of Ls lately, lol. Only thing they have left is the 1" D-Handle and Ingersoll Rand is 100% going to dethrone them. Makita eating ate their lunch in compact, mid-torque and they've got a 3/4" high torque that performs just as well as the 1" pistol style while weighing about half as much.
I wanna see snap ons newest 3/8 stubby air impact on here. I know the things pricey but I'd rather know first if it's trash or gold beforehand. It looks pretty
Can you test a trick and see if it improves torque numbers? I learned this trick from a mechanic and it has worked for me on bolts and nuts that my impact couldn’t move. What you do is push on that battery like a wrench in the direction your tightening or loosing. I think the reason it works is it takes up the slop in the socket and anvil allowing for a stronger hit and more energy transfer. I used this on lugs that couldn’t move but when I tried the trick it allowed me to get them off. Placebo or real? You tell me…
It's real. On super stuck bolts, it's very common in my use (deep in the rust belt) to "rotate" the gun in both directions to change the dynamics of the blows to break the rust bond. I'd guess that it works 50% of the time, or at least often enough that it's always worth a try on the stubborn ones.
Just got my makita in the mail today. That thing took the lug nuts off my truck that were at 150 ft/lbs as fast as my ridgid high torque. Definitely worth the $246 for a 4ah batt, charger, and the gun on Amazon. Tomorrow going to be doing some actual work with it. We'll see how it performs on ball joints and a rear axle swap. I have a feeling it will be great.
I’ve currently got a makita drill and impact driver and looking to upgrade to a proper impact wrench. That makita is definitely impressive and might need to pick one up
Awesome test video my friends. I been wanting to buy this Makita impact since the beginning of this year, but now with your test results I will have to buy it now. Thank you my friends at TTC, 🇺🇸😎🇺🇸
Been waiting for this video! Ever since I bought that Makita I have only needed my high torque for one fastener and it was a rusted out Ohio suspension bolt
Thank you again for an amazing video! This sadly makes me sad at myself as I am a huge fan of them and I’ve passed over that Makita many times because it looked a lot bigger in the pictures than what it is. The fact it ran off the chart like that and only being a half of an inch longer than the Dewalt just made me decide I’m going to buy one.
What does this even mean? He tested it with a 3AH octane battery. It has the highest amp draw battery cells of any battery available at the time. What exactly did you want him to use?
That's hilarious.... I thought, where's the M12? Then there it was at the end. I just finished pulling the front end of an XC90 apart with mine. You guys are correct, though: you need something else with more beans for bigger stuff.... and with the M12, you pretty much need to buy into another battery system anyway.
Spot on. I think that's what people don't get. You use the M12 until it doesnt work then step up, and with 12V batteries you needed a new line up of batteries anyways, so what's the big difference also having teal colored tools? Brand loyalty? A $40 charger?
Something is not making sense here when the other channels are reporting a breakaway torque of 225' pounds using the 3/8 subcompact ridgid & 2 amp battery.
I don’t know which group it belongs to, but I’ll once again offer up my Craftsman V20 3/8” brushless impact (the 910). Anyways, as always, love this channel!
According to my local tool truck guy, the dewalt is identical to an up-and-coming mac tools 12v compact impact. It’ll be interesting to see how the prices compare when the Mac gets released.
I have the 40v version and it’s blowing mid torque dewalts out of the water and not far off my mid torque makita. Seriously cool for the size! Excited too see the difference between 18v and 40v. Another great video guys!
You should also compare the xwt14z to the makita 40v model equivalent and see if theres a difference. I imagine the 40v packin a little more of punch but prolly not drastic. But who knows that why we got you to prove this stuff! Keep up the goid work
Awesome video as always guys! I was one of the few people that wanted to see if this impact could smash the M18 and the new DeWalt. I'd love to send you a 6AH lxt battery to do more some testing if you're up for it?
I know i commented awhile ago on you testing the makita. I know im jus 1 person though so i get your point. Its a great impact ive had it for like a year now. I also got the dewalt 12v now tho 2. I wanna see the new dewalt 20v dcf921 thats coming to go up against the makita. The one with the speed selector. The non speed selector model claims the same as the 12v. The dewalt dcf921 claims 300 and 450 so slightly more then the makita but we all know how you prove claims wrong all the time
Tbh I thought about letting y’all borrow my Makita but, I literally use it every day to do everything and anything on the cars I work on lol I knew it was hitting a lot more then Makita claimed and I’m glad to see it come out! And I’m someone who uses Milwaukee M12 (mainly the ratchets) stuff and Makita 18v tools. Thought about getting the mid torque but honestly, haven’t really needed to yet.
That's not even the best makita available , the 40v in the same skin is insane. Not sure if you get them over there though. Nothing is comparable to the longevity of a makita, you'll get 10 years out of one no worries.
In terms of "why aren't people knocking the doors down to ask for testing?", perhaps it has do with the specials different stores run? I got my Dewalt DCF901 for free at Lowe's when buying the 12v extreme Drill and Impact Driver combo pack. All told, it was $200 for 3 highly rated tools, a carrying bag, two batteries and a charger. $66 for an impact wrench seemed like a no brainer
Never fails to amaze me Hart is no longer a garbage brand. Which doesn't make any sense. What does Walmart get by selling quality tools at a reasonable price? They didn't get to be the worlds richest retailer by being good to their customers.
I'm not surprised by the little Ridgid struggling. I have it and I think the anvil and hammer inside are just too small to be competitive. The Dewalt and Makita are very impressive.
All this researching the 18V vs 40V has just made me decide to wate for the next generation. Tthe 3/8 and 3/4 are getting the job done combined with a stubby air mac that seems to have no problem with semi truck caliper bolts.
I have a Makita, I didn't really do much research it's just because the only one my batteries would fit lol But so far it works great has more power than my old big impact.
Good work great vid! Its all about the beanz for sure. When it comes to compact impact for me, accessibility is the most important. Small tool for small job to prevent over torque.
ive been switching all my gas powered lawn tools to makita (except the mower, next year though) glad to see when i start replacing my actual tools ill have a good time as well
been watching a lot of vids lately and i think im going to go with makita as my brand of choice. wish i didnt have to choose a brand specifically but you know, proprietary batteries and all...
I'd love to see the Milwaukee 2853-20 1/4 Hex tested. I use mine with a 3/8 socket adapter everyday, admittedly it's broken about 15 adapters now, but the power vs size is just amazing to me. (I could possibly send in my well used one)
We normally do that when there IS a big difference across what we're testing. And the DeWalt's already had it's own epsiode. But here you are: This Makita: China Ridgid: China DeWalt: Assembled in US w/ global materials (people assume all China, but we have word the front nose/impact internals are made in Austria on this model) M18: China
I’ve got one of those little ridgid sub compacts in a 3/8 drive, and it’s definitely not the punchiest impact I’ve used, but it just fits everywhere, and doing a lot of brake and suspension work I don’t need quite as much kick as some other people might need
Does anyone else think it would be a good idea to try and test how much torque a cordless angle grinder can produce? I use them alot and im curious to see which brands make the mkst torque, other than just a stall test.
Even though the ridged came in last. It's currently on sale for $79 at home depot. I like it, but I'm more diy, if I was a pro. I would definitely be a makita person because they make great tools.
M12 is better. Its almost identical to the m18. Towards the end he says that and that in some instances it passed the m18. They are the same spec on the box. Pretty much the same tool jus 12v and 18v
haven't found much appealing from makita aside from their sockets and drive bits, but that's a really awesome impact. Would buy if I got further in my mechanic career.
@@TorqueTestChannel so would you get the 1/2” or 3/8” impact in DeWalt"s 12V line? So far, I have mostly 1/2" impact sockets, but the sizes I use the most, I tend to have both 1/2” and 3/8”.