I'm a firm believer in the saying "there's no bad weather, only bad clothes." If you're out 'enjoying' the crappy weather hopefully this look at Gore's incredible ShakeDry fabric help's you make your winter jacket choice!
It looks like there is a mid-run change to the Pro 3 jacket and it now has drain holes in the rear pockets :-) Thanks to nad sim for pointing this out -Tristan
This has got to be the best article review I have seen in 2021 - both in level of detail as well as presentation. The highlit textual guides on the left of the screen as the presenter is speaking to product provide an excellent refocus point for ADD individuals like myself who are multitasking.
Thanks Andy! All 4 jackets look pretty similar unless you're a ShakeDry trainspotter so we hoped those overlays would be a good way of contextualizing them. -Tristan
Excellent review. I had no idea what the difference was between the Idro 3 and the Idro Pro 3 was until I found your video. Very clear explanations throughout and I went for the Idro 3. Many thanks for posting.
Can you confirm this? My Idro 3 Pro pockets are 100% sealed shut with no drain hole, however I did get a *very* early and possibly pre-production jacket. -Tristan
@@nadsim154 That's great! It looks like they've done a running-change so I'll make a pinned comment on this video. Thanks for pointing this out -Tristan
interesting review! i had an idro og and bought the idro 3 pro (after an unfortunate slide left the og with some holes on the sleeve :-( and wanted to get replacement shakedry whilst fabric still available). it's great advice to say the pro is for a ride in the rain from the start, whereas the non-pro is better for taking on and off (i nearly always carry mine in the UK - even with the holes). i find the fit has indeed totally changed BUT for me (tall and relatively thin) it is much WORSE. the og L fit me like a glove, but the 3 pro feels stupidly big (and I can' even zip it up in an M!) - so definitely don't assume the size and, if you can still get these, trying it on before buying is a must!
Yeah the fit changes a lot from generation to generation. The new Slicker Pro is even weirder with the Medium being reasonably tight yet having a massive neck opening. -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Oh wow, should have caught that... I'm Christchurch based and really appreciate the advice in this comparison vid. Gonna get me a new jacket I think!
Never tried Shake dry, looks a little too fragile to me, especially for gravel riding? I've got a lot of Castelli stuff, most of their kit is great, apart from their nasty Chinese made gloves, although the Perfetto are ok. As regards to keeping the rain off, my Alpha ROS 2, Alpha lite, Perfetto and Gabba never leak! Rode in torrential rain for an hour in my Alpha ROS 2 Lite, I was bone dry! I've seen the Idro 3 Pro on sale for £199 GBP, I'm tempted. I'm usually a size large in most things Castelli for a race fit. What size would I need to go over something like a Transperante/Velocissimo jacket, XL or 2XL? Cheers
ShakeDry won't stand up to crashing, however packing into a bag etc should be fine as long as you're careful. I'm really careful with my ShakeDry jackets and I've never had any issues with them, however people who are harder on their equipment might. Your milage may vary, and all that ;-) -Tristan
Hi, great review. Can you advise on sizing ? I am 191cm and 78kg, wonder if XL is long enough incl. sleeves. Are sleeves long enough for someone taller ? cheers
Hi Roman - I'm a slim 192cm and 75-78kg with long arms. The medium is a tight but perfect fit for me. The arms are long enough for my ape-arms. I'd suggest trying the M or L first. -Tristan
I'm primarily looking for a jacket for wind protection - it's 40*F - 60*F on most winter mornings here in Southern California... however there is a lot of ocean winds I have to deal with; along with some morning moisture and occasional rain. Would the Pro 2 or Pro 3 fit the bill here? I need rear pockets as well...
Yes but maybe no. ShakeDry is fantastic at wind-protection however it's a non-stretch fabric (there are a few stretch panels on the newer Castelli jackets) so it isn't as comfortable to wear on long rides as a soft-shell jacket. If you need the rain protection then I'd choose ShakeDry all day long...if you just need some drizzle and wind protection then something like a Gabba might be a better option for you. A nice thing about the non-Pro Idro 3 is that it packs down very small and is very light so it's an easy jacket to throw into a pocket if you start in the rain, or if you think some heavy showers will come through. -Tristan
For several days of bikepacking in mountain bike trails in the Dolomites in late June (the Veneto Trail) which is better to bring in case the weather goes bad, the Castelli Idro Pro 3 or the Castelli Perfecto RoS?
If you want a jacket to keep you dry then you want a ShakeDry. The Perfetto is great for warm+wet conditions where you're working really hard, the ShakeDry is perfect for long periods in the rain, and for long descents. -Tristan PS: Enjoy the Dolomites - absolutely one of my favorite places to ride a bike
The Idro range is a hard-shell 100% waterproof jacket. The Perfetto range is a soft-shell which will wet-out. They're different tools for different conditions.
Hello!! Thank you so much for this video. I’m going to buy idro pro 3; just a question: is it easily foldable and packable in the back jersey pocket? Thks in advance
The non-Pro jackets are easier to pack into a pocket and are significantly smaller, however the Pro jackets still pack down smaller and lighter than most other jackets. As the video talks about, I think the Pro jackets are best used for leaving on all ride, whereas the non-Pro jackets are more versatile and easier to take on-and-off and pack away. -Tristan
Hey! Nice video. I see below you both wear a size medium. I'm 185cm/78kg and having a hard time deciding on a size. I have more of a weightlifters body, with disproportionately wide lats/shoulders and a small waist. I want to wear the jacket in winter as well as summer, so there may be a jersey+baselayer underneath the jacket at any time. I have a long sleeve Castelli fleece jersey in large that does not fit me at all as I am completely pinched under the arm pits. Any recommendations based on this? I can't decide between large/xlarge. Thanks! :)
One grumble I have with cycle clothing makers is their sizing - s/m/x/xl simply doesn't work and they need to move to an *width* and *length* (x and y) style sizing system for people like you and me who are on different ends of the spectrum. My suggestion would be the Idro 3 (non-pro) with it's large stretch panel in the size large as a starting point. Let me know how you get on -Tristan
Canadian manufacturer shakedry jacket 7Mesh is longer at the back (droptail) covers your bum & doesn't have the stretch panels (not shakedry so none of the benifits) but is cut for cyclists 👍
actually the stretch panels ARE ShakeDry - they have an elastic woven into them. The material isn't stretching, it's just bunching up in little tiny rectangles. -TT
hi, I was reading that the Shakedry fabric had some resistance and therefore durability problems, and I read that there have been variations in the fabric on some manufacturers. Is this true or do all gore-tex Shakedry jackets have the exact same fabric?
as far as I'm aware there was a V1 fabric which Gore suggested no backpacks, and a V2 fabric. I'm not aware of any other changes, however this would be a good question to ask Gore directly :-) -Tristan
Hey thanks I’ve got paralysis by analysis now haha 🧐 So I ride to polytech rain hail or shine all year round, with my wet n dry paneer bags, and I get up at 5am to cycle to the gym 8km away, so what jacket and pants should I get so I arrive at the gym NOT MISERABLE 🙂🤙
For a short-ish commute the ShakeDry might not be best. Most ShakeDry jackets don't let you use a backpack, and the jackets are easier to rip than other fabrics. I've got a Rapha Commuter jacket which is actually really nice and perfect for those 15-30 minute rides in the rain. The longest I've ridden it in consistent rain is 1h and it didn't wet-out in that time. Added bonus: the hood works really well under a helmet, brighter colours are more visible than ShakeDry and it looks more like a casual jacket so you'd be able to wear it around campus without looking like you're wearing a trash bag. -Tristan
I love Castelli jackets and own a three, but would really like to have much better visibility in the rain. Is there a similar quality jacket from another brand that's more visible?
There is not. ShakeDry is a high tech fabric which is really difficult to make in colours...Gore have tried and there was news they'd cracked it...but I have not seen any of these for sale. -Tristan cyclingtips.com/2019/11/gore-shakedry-now-comes-in-bright-colors/
@@markhines Many technical fabrics (not just ShakeDry) are hard to make in colours so you'll see black for a lot of jackets for this reason. Not all of the pro teams are sponsored by companies that make ShakeDry jackets but look closely and you'll see non-sponsor approved clothing. Check out this photo from last years Giro d'Italia when the whole QuickStep team chose the Idro Pro2 rather than sponsor-correct jackets. -Tristan lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AM-JKLXA8bZcffeBGASxw8wbtvuzEkwxJSQRwg0DHAG3WmXr800mfv0BA2Pk0mOe87RP-zFjMwGIXh54HoqzTAiqTG_FlC02_l_DGwql9-msqHsNSa8pIjxrr7O-Lu4_gH_PX8ID2gpdwDyNPqVm01WW2kcvyA=w1340-h835-no?authuser=0
No ShakeDry, no ride :-D ShakeDry is considerably more breathable than other fabrics including the 'classic' GoreTex. I haven't used the Gavia and I'm sure it's a great jacket, but it's not ShakeDry -Tristan
Simply put: Because these high tech fabrics are really difficult to make in colours other than black. There have been two attempts I'm aware of in making non-black ShakeDry but neither appears to have worked. It's a shame because I agree that black rain jackets are not as good as something more visible. -Tristan
Thanks for the video. It does seem worth the money. Sounds like the idra 3 is the one for me. I’m 188cm and 75kg so sounds like the medium is the one for me. I’m large in castelli jerseys. How do you rate the material for wear? Does it still need to be proofed? Also I’m looking at the chpt 3 jacket which is eVent. It’s a lot cheaper but I’m guessing you’d recommend spending the extra £100 or so to get shakedry?
@@James1980- I'd expect the medium would be the correct size based on your height and weight. ShakeDry is on a different level to eVent or ANY other fabric and it's simply no comparison - ShakeDry is both more waterproof and much more breathable. Check the care instructions on whatever jacket you buy but you definitely do not want to apply DWR spray as this will ruin the jacket. Generally you just brush off dirt and wash the jacket in the machine inside a delicates bag. -TT
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Awesome review thank you. I've been considering these jackets and I'm really surprised at those sizings. I'm 182cm and 78kgs and based on my experience with Italian kit I would have gone for a L or maybe even XL. Struggling to accept that I'll fit into a M!!
Ciao Napoli - I'm sorry I need to answer in English :-) The jacket is VERY windproof so it does a great job downhill. Just make sure it's fitted correctly so it doesn't flap too much - the stretch panels on the Idro Pro2 , Pro3, and Idro 3 will help this. -Tristan
@@napoli4624 Prego! Ho indossato l'Idro Pro2 per un paio di gite sulle Dolomiti ed è stata un'ottima giacca sia per le giornate calde che per cavalcare il Passo Giau sulla neve. -Tristan
I got a question on sizing: iam 177cm and 73kg and I got the size medium. It fits pretty well and spot on but: is it normal that it sits quite tight on the waist / belly? My normal Castelli size is Medium and all the jersey are spot on, so I went with the same with this jacket…
@@theinstigatorr their sizing is all over the place! I find a Medium Idro a good fit but need an L or XL in other items. Medium leg warms fit me well but I need Large tights. Weird. -TT
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheelsplease tell me your measurements? I’m trying to buy an Idro 3 at the moment and it is mission impossible to find it in my preferred size of L. I would be disappointed to find out that that size feels off
After being packed into a backpack many times the goretex fails as it is exposed to constant flexing (the rubbing of the backpack also reduces longevity) - the removal of the 3rd layer has exposed the goretex...........just sayin from my experience.....I gave up on the myth of goretex, its all marketing.............get a nylon DWR poncho and accept less breathability.
Interesting - what brand and model of jacket do you have? My first ShakeDry is a few years old now and has been pack/stuffed quite a bit and is still 100%. The backpack consideration was an issue with the first gen fabric but seems to no longer be an issue and many of the trail running jackets specifically state they can be used with backpacks. One thing I've found really important is keeping the ShakeDry clean as per the garment care instructions and washing it in the washing machine on a frequent basis to remove all the grit and nasty from inside the weave. -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels Ron Hill Mountain equipment......maybe I need to try a cycling jacket instead. Its been a bad few months also having to return so called Goretex boots, wet toes just walking through long grass....personally I don't trust all this clothing made in Vietnam, Cambodia etc but 90% of it is. I have lost faith in the backpacking marketing and especially goretex( maybe I just sweat quicker than goretex can breathe) and have been chatting more to work colleagues who are cyclists and motor bike riders. For the moment I accepted less breathability when walking and just use a poncho
@@mokotramp Yes indeed - I recently bought a far cheaper pair of non Gortex and they are fine...I can accept the non breathability in exchange for being dry ......waterpoof socks provide back up protection ....I believe its all marketing hype and it is only works under precise conditions.......Leather is also fine
If you haven't heard the news - Gore is stopping production of the ShakeDry fabric due to supply chain issues. Grab a ShakeDry jacket before they all vanish!! www.cyclingnews.com/news/shakedry-fabric-is-set-to-be-retired-by-gore/
Regarding this, they made their own version if I’m right which is the Slicker Pro, do you know how it compares to the « old » Idro 3 ? I don’t know which one to buy and I don’t find any review on the Slicker…
@@doudoukong9274 The Slicker uses a newer fabric which is free of PFCs. It drops from 5/5 breathability on the Castelli website to 3/5. I have not tried the Slicker but would like to, however the stats are that it's not as good as the old ShakeDry Idro jackets. -Tristan
@@WheelworksHandcraftedWheels The breathability of the Idro 3 is also rated at 3/5. But that’s crazy how there is absolutely no review about this Slicker jacket with the new « replacement » material…
@@doudoukong9274 this is weird: I'm *sure* when I researched this video that it had 5/5 breathability, however you're correct that it's currently listed as 3/5. The Wayback Machine doesn't have any snapshots and I didn't take any screenshots at the time :-(
