Gore-Tex Shakedry is Insanely Light and Breathable

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I have been a long time fan of Paramo Analogy waterproof rain coats because of their amazing breathability. Their material is in fact so ‘breathable’ it actually allows liquid sweat to pass through the fabric. However the game has changed again now that Shakedry from Goretex is on the scene.
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This video compares the two very different approaches to staying comfortable in the rain and looks at why I finally switched from my trusty Paramo coat and now just carry a tiny Arc’teryx Shakedry coat in my pocket!
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@notgate2624 2 года назад

The guy in the thumbnail bouta drop the hottest mixtape of all time

@mateoleoncamacho3222 2 года назад

Lil' Keeb

@YourFrienjamin Год назад

One of the best videos out there on raincoats 🙏

@paul4866 2 года назад

Thank you for not just repeating Gore marketing gibberish. This was an extremely informative video.

@YTACCPP Год назад

I'm another pauL and I can confirm that.

@gavanmitchell9095 2 года назад

I just wandered up a mountain today in rain that didn’t let up for the whole day wearing a shakedry jacket. I was bone dry underneath all day even with extended periods of high intensity exercise. I have a $1000 Arc’tyrex jacket and this stuff is better.

@kuponokai Год назад

Ive had a number of shake dry jackets, the Norvan being the best so far. With a couple of thousand miles on it, it remains in very good shape with no apparent wear under the backpack straps. Recently I've noticed leaking under the zipper. Customer support claims the zipper is water-resistant not waterproof. If true I find it extremely irritating that at this price point they would use a non waterproof zipper in an otherwise completely waterproof jacket.

@nfo981 2 года назад

Gore wear r7 shakedry is more robust version. They advertise it as bacpack safe

@jez-s 4 месяца назад

Due to the ban on ‘forever chemicals’ they no longer make this type of goretex. It’s a real shame as a jacket and outdoor enthusiast, but I agree it’s also necessary to remove these horrible chemicals from production!

@BenVallack 4 месяца назад

I don't think that's the reason why this was banned. There is no DWR on this at all so it's better than normal GoreTex coats in that respect. Agree though they're no good!

@jez-s 4 месяца назад

Quoting: Shakedry fabric has a membrane that contains PFC chemicals and Gore has stated it won’t be making the material any more. The move appears to underline the company’s commitment to reduce PFCs in manufacturing, including the new ePE membrane, as it bids to become completely PFC-free.

@boyanlilov2531 23 дня назад

Amazing video! Just one thing I dont get - if this inner gore tex layer used on the Arcteryx jacket is so waterproof and breathable, wont dont brands use it as the outer layer of their jackets?

@BenVallack 23 дня назад

It's too vulnerable

@TyBraek Месяц назад

So you’re saying gortex needs reproofing only for the breathability? That’s crazy. I never realized that. I also wonder if the surface tension of the water makes water pass through because the fabric is absorbing the water breaking the surface tension. Even if the lining is still waterproof. I always thought if the water doesn’t bead off the outer fabric that it is no longer “waterproof” I guess as long as the membrane is intact it’s still waterproof just not breathable.

@milel0 2 года назад

My personal experience with Paramo has never been good except in light rain in winter. Other than that I came to the same conclusions. I wasn't aware of GoreTex Shake-dry however I've been using Inov8 Pertex running tops for many years to the same effect, I've found them to be very light packable, waterproof and breathable.

@BenVallack 2 года назад

Yeah it's interesting how some people just don't get on with Paramo - I think a lot depends on your body temperature etc. Thanks for comment!

@spotlight761 2 года назад

The hood of the Arcteryx jacket doesn't cover the face properly.

@tkdonyt Год назад

Subbed. Love your style . Thank you

@Yer_Da_ 2 года назад

Smart bloke - good vid - thanks

@SpicyHotPot12 2 месяца назад

After 2 years, how has your shakedry held up?

@harrydance1969 Год назад

Used as running jackets because rucksacks - for “great” outdoor activities - would destroy them.

@angellike2234 2 года назад

Very interesting and informative

@georgeivan8646 Год назад

Hi, i’m unable to find a similar product to the one you’re showcasing in the video with the goretex shakedry technology. It would seem these types of products have been discontinued? What would you go for nowadays?

@BenVallack Год назад

Yeah it’s totally gone now! I think an umbrella might be the closet to filling the EDC rain event role now.

@ipcexeter6393 2 года назад

Great video Ben - I have been trying to find a solution to the issue of down jacket = comfort but if it rains = soaked through. I'm off to answer the all important question - how much ?

@BenVallack 2 года назад

I paid £260 but this one seems to not be on their website any more! There are other brands making them though.

@ryanrossuk Год назад

How are you getting on with the coat? How's the breathability? Still your top recommendation? I did manage to find the coat on their website again btw.

@BenVallack Год назад

Breathability is legendary. Truth is though I don’t wear it a great deal. It looks very odd and the durability issue is always a worry!

@ryanrossuk Год назад

@@BenVallack that’s a shame. What’s your daily driver?

@BenVallack Год назад

@@ryanrossuk I’ve been wearing the Barbour seen in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iWpEHXbKcSY.html - it’s tough as anything but the exact opposite of the Shakedry. Super heavy and basically zero breathability. But it has made me think of it more as part of what I’m choosing to wear rather than something I just put on over the top of what I’m wearing. I.e part of the overall outfit choice for the day. It doesn’t look out of place just wearing it as any other kind of jacket. That solves the packability issue. The problem with being a purist is sometimes I shoot myself in the foot by pursuing what I think is an ‘ideal’ format and trying to make it work everywhere. In reality you could say the Barbour is good as an everyday dog walking/weekend pub walk/town trip etc jacket then the Paramo for high activity/high durability requirements like hiking and Shakedry for unexpected and super high activity but low durability requirements (funnily enough like running, but I don’t do much of that!).

@ryanrossuk Год назад

@@BenVallack Yep, I totally get you. Sometimes the all rounder solves all the issues, sometimes it falls just short at everything. My favourite coat is probably the Uniqlo ultra light down coat that can be compressed into a small bag. But it’s not especially water proof and is ever so slightly too big even in the bag. I guess our quest for the Goldilocks coat continues! 😂

@citizen127at 5 месяцев назад

Meh, that Shakedry stuff is way too delicate and expensive for hard working adults. I would probably go through three or four of those jackets per year, which would be a financial disaster for me, since I can't afford $1000 a year for jackets, and an environmental disaster for everyone, since Gore-Tex is made of PFAS. I guess it works for an aristocrat who can't tolerate the slightest discomfort and has a team of servants following them around, not me. Also, this is a good example of how megacorps sucker people into paying more for less.

@thomasparkins6749 5 месяцев назад

Have you used it? I have a shakedry cycling jacket and it's been going strong for 5 years. What are you doing to your jackets to destroy them so quickly?

@citizen127at 5 месяцев назад

@@thomasparkins6749 I work for living. I mean "work" as in physics, energy transfer that occurs when an object is moved over a distance by an external force. I don't just sit around and talk all day like some people. If anything needs to be fixed, I do it myself. I can't afford a $300 jacket that's designated for a couple leisure activities. Shakedry is just Gore-tex without a protective shell, it's like waterproofed tissue paper. It's a scam, they took something away, put a fancy name on it, and then raised the price. In any case, why would anyone need a raincoat while exercising? If you aren't sweating, you aren't doing it right. If you're sweating, rain is good. It saves you a lot of sweat.

@leeonr 5 месяцев назад

@@citizen127at you understand not everybody is aspiring to live a caveman way of life

@citizen127at 5 месяцев назад

@@leeonr As opposed to what? A chump way of life?

@GerdGuchl Год назад

.... and fragile

@MrCortiz767 2 года назад

Legend has it, Gore-Tex watches Ben to learn about their own products

@jap3v07 Год назад

The description of the outer layer water repellency and inner goretex membrane was great - lightbulb moment! I subscribed just because of that.

@BenVallack Год назад

Felt like a lightbulb moment when I finally got my head around it too! Cheers!

@nate-beard Год назад

I've been using the gore-tex shake dry jacket by north face since it first came out. You have to be somewhat careful with it, but I can't imagine a better rain jacket for cycling or backpacking. Also it's really solid for travel as it packs so small. Thanks for the awesome explanation!

@ilikehiking Год назад

The outer layer exists for a reason, which is to protect the membrane. The reason why this fabric is not the end all solution you describe it to be, and is specifically made for running, is because as soon as you start wearing a backpack over it, the membrane will eventually get damaged and fail. These membranes are unfortunately quite sensitive to abrasion. Even with the outer protective layer, membranes becoming damaged over time and failing is unfortunately an inevitability for all membrane type jackets. Being an avid hiker for many years, and having tried pretty much every solution under the sun, I find that simply accepting that you're gonna get wet sometimes and preparing accordingly (quick drying/wicking garments that retain their heat when wet) is my preferred solution. The hard truth is that all waterproofs just kind of suck, some just suck less than others, but they still suck because the drawbacks are always significant. Though I'm not sure how applicable my little anecdote is for you, since your use case does not appear to be hiking or running. Though one question that popped into my head while watching your video is how much breathability do you really need? I find that the value of breathability is mostly for when you're working out and sweating, which I imagine you're not doing in your casual day to day outfit as you described. Good video nonetheless!

@BenVallack Год назад

Good points cheers

@AlbertoNoys 2 года назад

Very interesting, but I think £300 is a bit too much.

@BenVallack 2 года назад

Yeah it is a bit hard to swallow. Then again Paramo are similar money.

@orbispictus6127 2 года назад

Black Friday I got one for 180

@JaredClarkBoaz 2 года назад

New subscriber here. Found you via your keyboard content and stayed because of the quality of your content and professionalism. Keep it up, and hope to see more keyboard-related content soon!

@BenVallack 2 года назад

Yay, welcome! Yep lots of super interesiting keyboard stuff happening soon.

@matthewmchenry2889 2 года назад

A Brit with a rain machine. Now I've seen it all.

@BenVallack 2 года назад

😂

@Andylf87 Год назад

Hey do you have a update on how it’s been after a year?

@Ben-ix8yb 2 года назад

For a 50,000 subscriber special can we get an AMA with your neighbours? Alternatively can we get the outtakes of this edited into a music video?

@BenVallack 2 года назад

Haha they would have some stories to tell I’m sure. There are also some funny outtakes!

@lindawinn2568 Год назад

Incredibly informative video. I never knew there was so much to know about waterproof jackets. Many thanks.

@BenVallack Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@okthen22ok Год назад

I wear Glad force flex with gain original scent when it rains.

@Windingify Год назад

Great stuff, my man. Just found you via the Apple ultra. I have turned towards Rains, a small company making really sweet rain gear; albeit old school as in its rubber. But it is thin rubber and thus very light and with the vents quite breathable. It also packs quite small although not pocket size. But it will last you years and years. The notion that you can just get another, is not really kosher imo.

@BenVallack Год назад

Agree with the lifecycle issue- I’ve been looking at waxed cotton recently as the opposite to this idea. Heavy and tough but natural and durable. Now it’s getting colder I’m wanting an extra layer of insulation ideally a bit longer in the body.

@pageegap1 2 года назад

329 is way too expensive...

@BenVallack 2 года назад

It is definitely a lot, I really think they are terrified that these will cannibalise their normal product sales!

@alemholas 2 года назад

@@BenVallack even then, I think you are right. I can't find it anywhere. I hope they at least make a replacement. Albeit expensive, it solves a lot of problems with only one product

@MWA35 2 года назад

I do hate how clammy rain coats get, so my current solution is just getting wet, I'm not the wicked witch of the west, I'll be fine. But then I do live in one of the drier parts of NZ. On particularly wet days I'll take an umbrella, but that's as much to use as a walking stick on muddy or leaf-strewn paths as to keep the rain off. I've been thinking about getting a poncho or rain cape, solving the problem through structure rather than fancy fabrics, but these would have the disadvantage of making me look like a bit of a numpty, so I haven't pulled the trigger on that one yet

@BenVallack 2 года назад

Yeah poncho is a pretty good idea, I did explore that. I think the flappiness, especially in wind is a bit of an issue though.

@FraserChapman Год назад

As you say, shakedry is amazing for any application where there is no chance of abrasion, but very, very poor if there is. With any kind of abrasion it will 100% fail with micro tears. I have the Montbell Peak Dry Shell and it uses the slightly heavier Shakedry than the Arc’teryx Norvan, but obviously because the membrane is still on the outside it is just as delicate. I also have the Paramo Velez Adventure Light Smock - which I would very highly rate for winter/serious fell walking (it is the choice of Mountain rescue teams all over the world)...but - my favourite "multi use" jacket has to be the Montbell Versalite - it uses Gore-Tex Infinium but it has amazing ventilation options with big 42cm "pit zips" - so you can basically vent the jacket and stay dry whilst doing physical activity - without the "babying" that Shakedry requires. If I had to pick a single jacket - for "most applications" I think it would be the Montbell Versalite as it really is the "happy medium". Great review!

@BenVallack Год назад

Great info cheers!

@KerenWang Год назад

So if you want to get the shakedry for running, the inevitable abrasion under your arms will wear out the waterproofness fast?

@garavonhoiwkenzoiber Год назад

wonder if it comes large enough to wear OVER a rucksack

@o.profit7831 Год назад

It has no pockets! Kind of an important fact not to mention in a Review.

@luckyomen 2 года назад

I get Q from James Bond vibes from your videos. Genius concepts and professional quality presentation.

@BenVallack 2 года назад

I’ll take that! Many thanks 😊

@willjohnson2722 Год назад

I got a Gore shakedry running jacket last year. It's so good I wear it when it's not raining. Super careful with it, wouldn't expect it to win a battle with a hedge, but best thing ever for running.

@azizinanc Год назад

Can you do an update on it?

@geoffsmith7403 Год назад

I have 3 jackets of Columbia's Outdry. It is the same thing only thicker. Much thicker. But more durable if weight is not an issue. On a windy cool day if I am not wearing a sweater under the jacket I can just feel the breeze. Totally waterproof in a heavy downpour for over two hours and not a hint of sweat. LOVE IT

@rabbithole8592 7 месяцев назад

I have a light waterproof Columbia jacket that only cost $100 Canadian and it hasn't let me down. I think it's just nylon and polyester.

@peterhaslund Месяц назад

It's not called an interesting problem, ferchrissakes.. it's called an unsolvable dilemma. ALSO THIS VID IS AN AD

@server1ok 3 месяца назад

There are many membrane jackets that are super thin ( and breathe better ) but none of them are durable vs. 3 L standard and that's why the jacket in the video can't displace the market. When buying a 3 L standard .. 1. always go + 1 size for layering but also for an improved venting. 2. never use "wash in DWR" or any DWR that isn't a teflon spray, because a bad DWR WRECKS the performance when dry You think you know, but you don't. I was using Goretex before RU-vid was a thing

@andrashavas 8 дней назад

Looking ultra thin, looking rubbery, not durable for backpacks, has no pitzips, has no pocket. Simple, small, specialist. You can buy any raingear for running, because I think it rains less often than not. IF you want to run in the rain constantly this is a good thing to buy... Don't forget the fully rainproof leggings and the fully rainproof shoes and the fully rainproof glasses and fully rainproof face mask and fully rainproof gloves....

@ryanwwest 2 года назад

Your audio is always so crisp. What mic do you use to keep it nice but out-of-camera?

@BenVallack 2 года назад

Thanks! Rode something or other, link is in the description I think. Actually in any video since I switched from the chalkboard backdrop to the one in this vid I actually a have concealed sound treatment in the room now. It made a staggering difference to how far I can get away with the mic being. I will be doing a video on my studio remodel soon!

@ryanwwest 2 года назад

@@BenVallack I'm excited to see it!

@Rahulsmanral Месяц назад

Reminds me of Columbia's rain jackets with OutDry Extreme wherein the outdry membrane is the outer/face fabric like this

@crypt0gyp5y3 4 месяца назад

Anyone got any good alternatives? Seems like they discontinued this jacket everywhere?! Probably because they didn't want everyone to only need one kind of jacket. I'd like one or something similar. Any recommendations?

@seahog32 10 месяцев назад

ShakeDry sounds great in theory except that: 1. Breathability isn't all that great and is insufficient for anything except a low-level activity like easy walking. It's basically the same as any Gore-tex fabric when new. 2. It's super fragile so suitable for town use, maybe road cycling too, but certainly not for mountains. 3. The production of the material has been discontinued a couple of years ago, likely because of the reasons above.

@Marty72 2 года назад

Rapha have a Shakedry jacket that is popular with cyclists.

@BenVallack 2 года назад

No hood though right?

@Marty72 2 года назад

@@BenVallack Yep, no hood, and not sure if the cut is suitable for off the bike.

@milessmith589 Год назад

Goretex produce a cycling cap made of shakedry. It's excellent & because of the requirements (legal in OZ) for a helmet, it gets more 'abrasion ' than my shakedry jacket by a big margin. After two years riding everyday for 2+ hrs, absolutely no damage to the shakdry caps properties. NB my shakedry jacket is from 7Mesh. It's longer than all the others covering my bum when in the drops on the bike. 7Mesh are worth a look given where their principals left to start up this Canadian company 👍 Oh' & I love the factual content , especially the lack of marketing hype 👍👍

@ollyhammonds2925 Год назад

Since shake dry has been discontinued, is there any other alternatives worth looking at that fit the same principle? I'm a fell runner and really struggle finding a waterproof that doesn't basically sweat itself to death, making the waterproof redundant within the hour. I wear a merino base layer, sometimes a synthetic mid layer if it's cold but still haven't nailed the outer waterproof shell yet!

@BenVallack Год назад

Not as far as I know

@peterkelly8357 2 года назад

Ben, as you know, when there is a torrential downpour trousers tend to get soaked… not the greatest feeling if you have to go back into the office after a lunchtime walk for example. Any suggestions?

@SpringRolI 2 года назад

Rain pants? Same idea would apply with all the materials.

@aricbouwers 2 года назад

Aren't there pants made of the same material that could be warn over your other clothes?

@gavinvales8928 2 года назад

Shorts. Bare legs are easier to dry than wet trousers

@BenVallack 2 года назад

The shorts in this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0W6AYLaXI60.html dry so quickly (same as the trousers I was wearing while filming!) that I find that is best option, even in trouser form. Thin, fast drying shorts or trousers, job done. Merino long johns underneath in winter.

@youtubeaccount2302 2 года назад

I came here to ask the same thing.

@marekt2501 Год назад

It’s all about being PFAS free though, and Paramo are the ones keeping it real - is gortex currently any good for the environment?

@virtualtools_3021 Год назад

nothing is pfas free... even the rain has shit in it these days

@marekt2501 Год назад

@@virtualtools_3021 Yeah - still you should try to get garments without it

@boogboog8097 Год назад

Lol

@shinymetalvids Год назад

I think it’s targeted at runner as it won’t be durable at all. It won’t hold up to packs, sitting on the bus / in a car, moving through the forest, everyday wear. Runners pop them on, run and take them off. There’s very little wear the material has to cope with (same with cycling jackets).

@shinymetalvids Год назад

Also companies like Rab are far more focused on fully recycled and recyclable coats. (We can’t be putting plastic coats in landfill every four years).

@BenVallack Год назад

Agree the environmental side of this stuff is very dubious. I’ve actually started being less concerned by performance (I still have paramo for that) and using a waxed cotton jacket in the rain and am more interested in natural materials like wool and waxed cotton for everyday wear. No dubious ‘forever chemicals’ etc associated with their manufacture and very long lasting.

@jackgutz Год назад

Did arcteryx stop making this jacket?

@BenVallack Год назад

Yeah. Everyone has. Shakedry is gone - real shame! www.cyclingnews.com/news/shakedry-fabric-is-set-to-be-retired-by-gore/

@liamendresen Год назад

Shakedry is being discontinued by GoreTex due to imminent PFC bans. Not because its so good they are worried about it cannibalizing their other jackets. Even without it being discontinued, longterm durability and therefore sustainability are the main reasons ShakeDry didn't take over the entire shell jacket market.

@BenVallack Год назад

If it’s due to PFC bans surely that applies to their whole product range?

@liamendresen Год назад

@@BenVallack yes, the whole GoreTex line has to be redesigned. California is banning all PFAS- or forever chemicals, by 2025. This is leaving many brands like Patagonia, Arc’teryx, and GoreTex, scrambling to come up with a new, less harmful waterproof membrane for their jackets. GoreTex is releasing a ePE membrane which boasts a smaller carbon footprint as well as being PFA free. It’s a catch 22 scenario: the new membrane will be better for the environment, but will most likely be not as waterproof or breathable. In the coming months/years, expect manufacturers to redesign their entire waterproof line.

@02ditf23 Год назад

@@liamendresen And it's a shame too! ShakeDry was and still is absolutely game changing. The only other membrane I've found outside of Gortex that's even close to the performance of ShakeDry and PFC free is from a UK manufacture called AlpKit who use their own proprietary membrane called 'Free C0'. So far it's proving to be excellently water resistant and with a similar MVTR (on par with ShakeDry) and only slightly heaver. Once they find a way to cut down on the weight I reckon it'll be the next big thing in waterproof jacket tech.

@liamendresen Год назад

@@02ditf23 haven’t heard of them. I’ll have to check it out!

@Errcyco 7 месяцев назад

The only thing about these is they are so specific and thin that when they ware out they are landfill that will never breakdown.

@holcombballer23 Год назад

“It’s gore-Tex” George costanza Seinfeld.

@katie7891011 11 месяцев назад

You don't need to worry about replacing in 3 years or ever Ben. I have an original shake dry jacket that is No.275 of the very first thousand ever made. Its lost its Gore logo's but its still the same totally water proof jacket that it ever was. I think they started making them in 2016.

@Dan1ell 3 месяца назад

The first bacth of any new product is usually the best. Because it needs to wow the market. The batches afterwards tend to have compromises added in by the cost-saving committee. There's no guarantee the version Ben has will perform as well as your 275.

@hamishorbell1431 2 года назад

Interested to hear your views on the North Face futurelight running jacket and how its performance compares.

@damowantswealth 10 месяцев назад

Man im gonna start referring to everything as "workflow" 😂

@nadsim154 Год назад

If the "shakedry" is the material inside the goretex but without the outer layer, the normal goretex should be as toxic to produce as this one and they should stop producing both (according to their logic)? Am i missing something or is it different?

@BenVallack Год назад

Yeah I think the toxic arguments would apply to this as well. I’m actually not sure though if most of the toxic/forever chemical stuff levelled at Gore-Tex is as a result of the membrane or just because they usually use DWR on the outer fabric though.

@nadsim154 Год назад

@@BenVallack Yes it's a bit strange. I would think that the shakedry is a variant that is more toxic to produce, because if the point was to just remove the outer layer, firstly it sounds a bit too easy and it should be less expensive to produce...

@frzen 2 года назад

This in the pocket of a ventile jacket might be a good recipe... hard wearing, breathable, and waterproof enough and then put this on in absolutely terrible conditions

@alanrobinson2229 2 года назад

I nearly got one of these today,missed out on bidding. However,these are of questionable durability, similar to a similar designed plastic jacket....which does the same?

@BenVallack 2 года назад

No sign of any issues on mine yet, lives in my pocket every day! Walked the dog in heavy rain this afternoon, I was totally comfortable just wearing it over my merino jumper.

@eros4510 Месяц назад

I feel like it's irresponsible to keep pedaling this fabric and video, especially with the new information coming out talking about the risks and damage these fabrics have caused. There is a reason Arcteryx has discontinued it.

@BenVallack Месяц назад

The environmental issues with Gore-Tex are well documented. I've also covered it here - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6Brq5rszFsM.html

@vlvr 4 месяца назад

Curious if you have an opinion on the Vollebak Planet Earth Ultralight Shell and its waterproofness and breathability. Thanks!

@BenVallack 4 месяца назад

What an interesting company! Watching with interest for sure.

@gazlives 2 года назад

you're right they've taken this off the market it seems. too good so undermines their product range. ffs

@BenVallack 2 года назад

Strange isn’t it - although I think the fabric of mine is starting to deteriorate so I wonder if it’s a reliability issue.

@LesParker-qx9xs 4 месяца назад

I hope this shakedry product is a lot better than the similar North Face and Kathmandu, they were absolutely terrible, all the outside fabric would flake off within weeks

@BenVallack 4 месяца назад

I wonder if that was a result of using rucksacks with them. Mine is still holding up well. I'll do a follow up in the members section.

@gren509 Год назад

Thank you Sir !!!! For 30+ years I've been wondering why my ultra expensive "breathable" Gore-tex has felt about the same as a bin-liner when it comes to getting soaked in your own sweat; it's the junk they wrap it in. So the next step is for someone to create a durable Gore-tex-like fabric - surely not such a big ask in this day and age ?

@BenVallack Год назад

I’m still interested in wool. Very opposite approach really. Check out WeatherWool

@stuqwertyly 2 года назад

Very interesting, thank you. I was thinking about this idea recently and the best option I could see was Enlightened Equipment’s VISP jacket - do you know how it’d stack up against this?

@BenVallack 2 года назад

I think I considered that on the way to this, you are back to dealing with an outer layer. Good if you need the durability but the impact on breathability when wetted out is troublesome to me.

@ronandy8681 Год назад

I used the visp on the A.T. And it wetted out within 1 hour of steady rain. My zpacks backpack wore right through my visp within 1 month, I was so bummed.

@AndrewHelgeCox 3 месяца назад

The key to using membrane waterproofs effectively that you haven't mentioned in a couple other videos I just watched is temperature control by regulating effort. I.e., slow down before your body pumps out a bunch of sweat. Slowing down has the added benefit of not having to carry extra water to replace what you sweat out, thus lightening your load.

@leotaku5216 Год назад

09:05 I don't really relate to this approach to longevity. Why would 4 Years be just fine, while 3 would already cause you to think about getting a different jacket? For products that are not extremely expensive, I tend to see lifetime on more of a log scale, so something that lasts "a couple years" is obviously better than something that lasts "a couple months", but between that everything basically blurs together. This is true especially for timeframes of multiple years, where, in my experience, factors that have little to do with the quality of the product (e.g. losing a knife, a better alternative coming to market, ...) become more relevant.

@BenVallack Год назад

I guess I just decided that for the money, the minimum I’d want it to survive is 4 years. I.e if it lasts 4 years I’d be fine to get another. But if it lasts only 3 years for me that would mean I’d be nervous about buying another. It’s just an arbitrary point where the cost/benefit starts to sound too expensive for me I guess. You’re quite right though that once things get past a certain point it is often other factors that end up enforcing its obsolescence. I want to do a video on this kind of concept specifically in fact.

@leotaku5216 Год назад

@@BenVallack That sounds like a great video idea, I'll be looking forward to it.

@curtisgmchale 2 года назад

When I’m running/riding hard enough I just choose warm but wet and don’t even bother with waterproof.

@BenVallack 2 года назад

Totally, makes you wonder why they are marketing this for running. Makes so much more sense as an everyday coat.

@curtisgmchale 2 года назад

I can see it’s utility. I ran a mountain race in September and wore a waterproof layer because we were headed out in rain that was turning to snow. The extra warmth it provided was excellent. There are certainly runs/temps where it’s a great jacket weight. Really I have 3 or 4 options depending on how far out in the mountains I am for how long and how fast I think I’ll be moving.

@BenVallack 2 года назад

Sure yeah, makes sense.

@funNactive1 10 месяцев назад

Why market to runners? Because they don't carry anything. Everyone else uses packs, gear and going through abrasive brush and Rock. The entire reason for outer fabric, protect the delegate Gore-Tex from abrasion.

@OmarAhmed2016 2 месяца назад

Is this coat a health risk with the membrane being from ptfe/pfas

@BenVallack 2 месяца назад

I don't think there is any risk to you the wearer (especially as there is no DWR wearing off) but it's pretty grim reading about the water supply pollution law suits near the factories.

@me-cq7wv Год назад

It can be your too for hundreds of $$$$$$$$$

@chawin007 Год назад

look better than Columbia Outdry Extreme jacket that look like thick rubber jacket, I see other brand like Montbell use Gore-Tex ShakeDry on Peak Dry Shell but it look like rubber jacket not like Arc’teryx Norvan SL

@michaelchomiczewski7937 Год назад

It seems Arc'teryx Norvan SL Hoodie was so good -- it got discontinued 😕

@BenVallack Год назад

Along with all Shakedry stuff! Bizarre. I’ve been reading about these forever chemicals in this stuff now though so am starting to have doubts.

@michaelchomiczewski7937 Год назад

I got really excited that I FINALLY found the perfect waterproof / breathable shell. Alas - I'm a couple years too late 😢

@contactkelvinsim Год назад

How long have you used it for? Bought a pretty expensive goretex jacket by North face and guess what.. everything started peeling apart in 18 months.

@winge1963 Год назад

And hopefully Goretex will soon be without PFAS, which will soon be banned by the EU.

@kitefan1 Год назад

I have an ancient gore-tax jacket (eddie bauer). It's finally reaching it's end after about 25 years. During it's life, per the instructions it needs to be washed with a non-detergent and line dried. This removes the dirt and pollution from the fabric allowing it's structure to work again. Someone gave me some washing soda that has kept it going the last five years or so.

@bahaar5215 Год назад

George Constanza: It’s Gore-Tex Seinfeld: You like saying Gore-Tex don’t you

@pastoralrezowiecki4379 5 месяцев назад

I cannot find this product anywhere online.

@BenVallack 5 месяцев назад

Strangely it seems Goretex have stopped making the fabric!

@mikekelly6603 10 месяцев назад

Now that you have had it for 2 years - how is the durability?

@BenVallack 10 месяцев назад

It’s still fine - funnily enough I’m actually finding it is brilliant for running. But actually don’t tend to wear it a great deal for everyday day use any more.

@AreaCode4hoe8 Год назад

Could this replace a Patagonia Houdini air jacket? I know im comparing a windbreaker with this rain jacket but people praise the shakedrys breathability

@BrandonHowardRay Год назад

It really seems like this product is no longer available. I can’t find it anywhere, even in the Amazon links

@healingeventsbc2156 4 месяца назад

It's 2 years now - would love an update!

@BenVallack 4 месяца назад

Still going strong, I'm generally pretty afraid to wear it though so it does't actually get a lot of use!

@alsteooaai Год назад

hello, I was reading that the Shakedry fabric had some resistance and therefore durability problems, and I read that there have been variations in the fabric on some manufacturers. Is this true or do all gore-tex Shakedry jackets have the exact same fabric?

@Nevir202 Год назад

LOL, I have a motorcycle jacket with a removable waterproof liner. I thought it was a surprisingly good coat on its own, apparently someone else had the same idea.

@millicentduke6652 Год назад

How is the shakedry holding up a year later?

@BenVallack Год назад

I still have it but havn’t found myself wearing it that much - I sort of had a moment where I got bored of worrying about it and got a super rugged waxed cotton jacket instead- literally the opposite end of the scale. Heavy, not at all breathable, but looks great and is tough as hell. It’s featured in my next video.

@joelbenford9327 Год назад

"let me know what you do". I use an umbrella if I can, gore-tex if I have to.

@karlulrich9098 10 месяцев назад

it has been 2 years by now. Any updates on wear and tear?

@BenVallack 10 месяцев назад

It’s still fine - but in reality doesn’t get much use!

@FontaineDerby Год назад

I have never found Goretex to be waterproof nor particularly breathable. I have returned many garments and boots under the manufacturers guarantee. It was great, I would get a new jacket and boots annually.

@EugeneBurmaka Год назад

How Shakedry compares to the north face Futurelight?

@ADHDnB Год назад

i am poor but desperately want a go-to lightweight actual waterproof coat, what do i do?

@chuzzbot Год назад

Just put chain mail over the top of the shake dry... simple.

@jonathanjohnstone428 Год назад

Just get a fjallraven and be done with it

@BenVallack Год назад

Definitely on my radar actually. Very nice looking gear.

@RickMeijer Год назад

I've used a poncho for a couple of decades now. Cheap, packs small, and there's plenty of airflow.

@CanyonWanderer Год назад

Outstanding explanation!, thank you so much. The way you explain it, it make so much sense. As a hobby cyclist in The Netherlands, I'm very interested in light waterproof gear, this enlightened me