Thank you for being the only channel mentioning the ergonomic benefit of these dual-screen laptops! I've been sick of no one talking about how all other laptops make me crane my neck to look at the screen!
You can use a laptop stand if you WFH or in an office or an external display. Try these dual-screen LAPtops on your LAP and see how awkward they are for their main use case.
As a former Samsung Galaxy Fold owner who left the bandwagon for the current LG V50 with its detachable Dual Screen case, I can easily vouch that dual display turns out to be far more practical than foldable screen. One of the biggest perk with dual display is that I never have to worry about app incompatibility. Not all apps are developed for larger screens and can't do screen splitting. It's the same story when I tried out both Lenovo X1 Fold and Lenovo Yoga Book 9i. I have more problem using apps/softwares in the X1 Fold than in the Yoga Book 9i. The only thing I would complain about the Yoga Book 9i is the keyboard. Missing out the trackpad is a deal breaker.
thanks for a great review as usual. note that my asus zenbook duo did include the stylus. I use it at the table in the elevated position with the keyboard left on the lower display. You can tap out short searches or whatever when needed and still have the upper display positioned at that super comfortable spot. Of course, a laptop stand would do the same, but...
Yes I do same with my Duo laptop too, looks like they don’t give pen in some countries. Fortunately they gave me along with laptop! I have been using for 2-3 months now and it’s absolutely perfect, do you have same experience too?
I got the ASUS Duo and the displays were beautiful. It has VRR options which was never advertised and I was happy about. Battery was pretty terrible even running just one of the screens though, so I look forward to a snapdragon version of it or next years intel. I ended up sending it back because if you press on the bottom screen when using it as a track pad or keyboard (physical on top or virtual) it made a cracking noise, even though the screen itself was not damage in any way. Gaming on it was pretty awful (895 cpu) - I had hoped for something similar to a 7840u/780M but it didn't even achieve that.
Great review, I got the Zenbook Duo the first week it was launched. Coming from a Macbook Air M1, I miss the battery life and performance. However, using the dual-screen in my dining room, laptop mode in the couch and connected via HDMI in my office, it really is an interesting experience. The Zenbook Duo would be perfect with a Snapdragon X to improve the battery, and maybe if they manage to make it a bit ligher, it would be ideal. One trick is to use it in dual screen mode with only the top screen on, that way you get the ergonomic benefit and extend the battery life to 7-8 hrs. Also the performance improves when only using one monitor. I exclusively use the dual setup when multitasking. Overall, not for everyone. But this might be the future of laptops when the design has been polished. Btw Linux works fine with this laptop :)
Here in the U.S, I got the Zenbook duo. It has 3200 x 1800 resolution screen, Intel Core Ultra 9 185H, included a backpack, and the Asus pen 2.0. Maybe international units don’t come with it, but it matches what you got with the yoga, except for the mouse, which I’m sure people replaced with a bigger one. Mine was $1699.99 usd.
Just a side note - I think it’s unfair to criticize the touch screen aspect as it’s the whole point… it’s like saying “although this gaming controller has joy sticks, the thumbs become very tired using them”
I love my Yoga 9i, it’s really improved my productivity but at this point I want a full screen. I’ve become so dependent on the touch and dual screen for work - I have been thinking about the zen book fold.
I chose yoga 9i over asus, asus does not feel worth it, and it scares me to own it for next 5 years. Having used yoga 9i for 6 months now. Here are some more issues that needs improvement: 1. The software used to make touch screen keyboard has a lots of bugs. It sometimes lags, the widget bar does not function fully. Outlook still does not load. 2. The laptop just does not gives confidence to use as carry on or on lap mode. I struggle to operate it on lap. However the dual screen mode bets is very productive and gives good keyboard and neck support. 3. The lower graphics configuration gets you when using heavy application like AutoCAD 4. Windows is not designed for dual screen laptops yet. Switching and dragging applications is still a task.
My father has been using the Asus duo for some months now. He uses it for trading on the go and he is incredibly happy with it. The only issue it had is the trackpad became loose and it doesnt work properly anymore
There are fantastic portable monitors now, and many are reasonably priced. They add little thickness to what these offer and can be used for multiple other uses. Also, you can buy any laptop you like without being limited to these devices, which are very low-end for their prices.
As someone who has been holding out for a dual screen or folding tablet-style device for years now, the only way I would purchase one is if someone finally comes out with the proper aspect ratio, especially for the folding screen - - - the single folding screen needs to be 2560 x 1920 (4:3), which makes the screen in laptop mode 1920 x 1280 (3:2) with at least a 12.5 or 13 inch diagonal size. It is the only way I would consider one, and a backlit keyboard is another requirement. The same size and aspect ratio requirement would go for the dual screen devices. I think this would solve the majority of the issues you mentioned in your review - larger keyboard, more space for battery, and proposal better sound. I'll never understand why these always comes with an Intel CPU instead of AMD, which perform better at less wattage and less heat. Maybe the next Gen will include some AMD Strix Point alternatives?
Thanks for the review but the Lenovo - ThinkPad X1 Fold 16 seems to be the ultimate machine IMO. Sure it's not the fastest laptop and it doesn't have the sturdiest stand but it does fit in a tiny bag or purse. Seeing everything on one large unfolded 16+ inch screen is nice! Being able to use both orientations is great as is the backlit keyboard and pen support made by Wacom. You failed to mention the durability too, this has military grade certification. Plus it has USB 65w fast charging, which is perfect to charge in a vehicle.
I classify dual screen laptops in the same category as the foldable phones...pretty cool and futuristic but a bit overkill for most people at the moment
Exactly, these types of systems seem very niche and aren't doing anything more than a basic laptop connected to additional monitors. I see the use case in such a portable device, but not for nearly $2,000 or more. I'd honestly say folding phones are more interesting because you essentially get a mid sized tablet in your pocket, where these laptops are still laptop sized
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 Pretty much yup. I’ve never really looked at my laptop and thought maybe I need an extra screen on the actual unit itself. I opt for an external monitor if I need more screen space
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 This laptop is more something for people who travel a lot. Or minimalists, that dont want an extra monitor. You dont need an extra monitor, and only need a laptop. Either people that travel for work, or work and travel. It has potential for those groups. And Id be buying it, when I start to work and travel. Additionally it is more something for people that work mostly on their computers and need more than 2 applications open at the same time. Since with two application you can just use splitscreen.
Was wondering why the Zenbook Duo wasn't apart of your best programming laptops list, I thought it would of given a huge productivity boost for web devs. Especially for someone like me who is both a designer and developer. being able to have Figma/live preview open on one screen and VS Code open on the other, thats like a dream. Most times on a normal laptop you may jus do a split screen with vs code and your live preview, but imagine not having to open figma....
Regarding the Lenovo Yogabook 9i: You can fold the origami stand reverse, this allows a steeper angle in book mode. Thank you for this very informative video ❤
They need the low power performance and battery life of the Snapdragon chips. Imagine the second gen of these, with the second gen Snapdragon chips that will be announced later this year.... that could be a perfect match and hopefully by then a lot of the apps in beta or "coming soon" for ARM will be production ready!
X1FOLD is incredible.... but my god the cpu's and ram i had on mine was so slow. it was really neat that it was the size of a book. but man it was slow as a 1st gen device
I'm an artist. If I didn't already have a professional, 1k drawing monitor, and a wall-mounted monitor above it, I'd definitely see some value in this. We digital artists are ALWAYS using a second monitor for reference, and one for drawing.
I was looking for trustworthy information about these new notebooks in order to compare them, then I found your video. As it is a big expense to do, I really need some good piece of advice. Thank you very much.
Hey Josh! Just found your channel and I'm hooked - your laptop reviews are in a league of their own. Quick question: I'm a college student looking for a laptop for programming and note-taking, budget around $1250. Torn between the Zenbook 14 and the Surface with the Plus chip and OLED. Battery life is key, and 120Hz would be sweet. Any thoughts on which might last me longer? Thanks for all the great content! where am from the zenbook never go below 1k usd and the surface would probably cost way more maybe close to 1300 to 1500. Am okay to pay a bit more on a machine that will last me a long time 4 years maybe.
ARM might be part of the solution, but it is not THE solution. x86 chips don't consume more power than ARM because of the ISA. The current iterations of the 2 ISAs are remarkably similar except the lack of an AVX equivalent on ARM. Most ARM chips perform better than most x86 chips at low power because those specific cores are designed to. Intel targets 150W with their designs, then scales down. AMD targets 500W then scales down. Apple and Qualcomm target 10W, then scale up.
@JustJoshTech Hi Josh, Thanks for the review! I would like to know if the performance tests were done with an "ac power supply" or with the internal battery instead ? Modes available are (performance mode - ac needed; standard mode and Whisper ).
please do a review of the lenovo yoga pro 7 14in with the ryzen 7 8845H proccessor, im trying to find a good laptop as a engineering major before this upcoming school year 🙏
Couple of things… I bought the ZenBook Duo from BestBuy and it did come with a pen (as well as a backpack though I don’t really care about either). Another major advantage over the Yoga Book is that the Yoga doesn’t come in a configuration with 32GB of RAM. Also the 185H processor comparison with the 9i is a little unfair because the 9i can only come with a 185H in the 16” model, not the 14”. For me… 16” is a dealbreaker, too big.
Good review. These devices, and traditional convertible 2-in-1s, are ripe for Snapdragon X and/or Lunar Lake (if Intel's efficiency promises are to be believed) refreshes.
Hi, I work in a law firm that practically only use office, pdf and browser tools. Having a two screen laptop would be grate for remote work, so I was thinking in buying the yoga, could you tell me if in your opinion is a choice that would work well? Practically we are in screen 10 hours a day
I think minisforum v3 deserves more praise. It’s “cheap” enough and light enough to justify buying a Chinese 2 in 1 portable monitor and carrying around you!
I've never looked at these systems before, but it seems that it would just be better to have a large display laptop. The form factor seems useful for specific types of work, but the price to performance ratio seems very skewed.. not my cup of tea 😅
Awesome! Thank you, been waiting for you guys to review the ASUS Duo 2024, as I’m in the market for a couple of new laptops,and had been eyeing up the duo ‘24….so, to get a comparative review with its competitors has been ace. I think the review has put me off these units, I do hope they continue to finesse the concept though.
Dear Josh, I am planning to buy a laptop soon with a budget of €1,500. The laptop should be suitable for programming and video editing. Do you have a recommendation?
Helpful review. I was looking to get a notebook like this to read music at gigs. I like the idea of having two pages of sheet music open (like a book) on a music stand. Out of these, it appears the Yoga Book might be the best option. Not sure if anyone has any suggestions?
@@JustJoshTech yeah i wanted something i can use while i learn programming and at the same time slim. All of other reviews were advertising but ur review it is genuine. It makes me got a real idea about it. It is good but not for me
@MinaMike-sr5zf Firstly thank you. Secondly, I actually think it could work well for that. Learning to program. Me personally though, I'd buy a MacBook Pro 14 with M3 Pro. That will be better for that
Are you going to review the Asus ROG Flow X13. And also, I want a 2-in-1 possibly, Macbook Pro like performance, max 14 inch display and good for coding in class. Do you have any suggestions?
Couldn't include X1 Fold's competitor the Asus Fold? I know it's not available in every market yet but I am looking forward to a review and comparison!!!
@@JustJoshTech Ahh how could I forget?? Thank you so much for the video it was excellent and much needed. All your videos are great!! Don't mind me nerding out that you responded, I appreciate it!! Will be on the look out for any asus fold video still though, i'm sure it's a long ways away but i'm very interested in these new folds :)
If only performance was great, id get this for coding on the go since im always plugged in anyway. Probably will never use the included keyboard or mouse, lol.
ive been looking for a new dual screen ever since my old zenbook pro duo( the one with the half screen on the bottom) has come up with some non funtional keys. i have my own BT mouse and keyboard, and there is an external GPU on my desk. bearing that in mind would the lenovo be better since you can put it into tablet mode for light gaming on a plane, and when i want to play heavier games i can put it on my desk. also, nobody talks about charging ports on these things. in this day and age i see no reason a laptop needs a different plug for a charger when everything else uses type c, but i cant find any info on what charging ports any of these have
I really wait for the moment when foldable external screens will be available on the market, so one will be able casually put a macbook+27 inch screen in the backpack.
I actually love my zenbook and use it mostly with the keyboard separated. Luckily you can turn off the second screen when not needed. I use it for unity and godot and even play a few games on it but on low - medium settings. Mostly useful for watching media while working on the bottom screen. Definitely had lots of features, especially when you use the pen. I just cant justify using the on screen keyboard, just use the actual keyboard.
@abcdef7660 nothing really to complain about, honestly. Does everything I need it to do with little to no lag. The only time I notice any lag at all is when it needs to figure out screen orientation when removing the keyboard or putting it into "desktop" mode, which I rarely use.
@abcdef7660 after seeing what they are doing I don't blame you. I made the jump only because this was the best option for what I needed. But so far no issues that would even make me think of a warranty. I use the pen and most of the features daily with no issues. But to ones own, I've had their rog phone 5s pro for two years and the charger made me rethinking buying one again. Great device but after two years it would have a faulty usb c port.
@@AdamAve93 When did you buy your Zenbook Duo? Core 7 or 9? Would you recommend overseas buyer to get it from USA knowing the issues until today? Its considerably cheaper there.
Hey Josh, can you review the Acer swift go 14 OLED 2024 please, it check marks all of my desired specs but I need to hear it from you before I buy it...... Thank you.
Hi Andrew. Your multi-core Cinebench score for SL7 seems quite lower than the 942 which I got. I wonder if our conditions were the same (plugged in, High Performance mode)
Hi josh bro can u do a review for Honor magicbook pro 16 2024 model which cost around 1000$ and it have rtx4070 is this scam or legit and can u put a video also about is that valuable for programming and gaming
Why All of them forgot to include a folding feet on the keyboard. it is like a age old thing which doesn't take up all that space but brings so much usability to the keyboard. a very stupid design indeed
I love how JOSH mentioned that the devices were averaging ~50% of battery life in the Netflix 4 hour video playback test. Josh probably not mentioning the hours to prevent people from saying that it only played 4K videos for 2 hours before the battery died…Don’t know why companies rushed to release this when they should have just released this with ARM. Intel chips are so bad for this form factor.
@@RK-um9tuhahaha…how ignorant can you be?😂😂😂😂😂 Dual screen laptops are godsend for people who need to run multiple application windows. The major activities like video editing, 3D modeling, etc. definitely benefit from the multi monitor aspect of it. So when you say that 4k video playback is only good for two hours that just goes to show how bad the battery life is on these machines.
Great review. I have been very tempted to splurge on an Asus Zenbook Duo but your review has me thinking twice. I am eagerly awaiting your review of the Zenbook S16 with the Ryzen 9. That would be my alternative to the Duo.
I would love it if Lenovo did a large folding portable USB-C monitor, with a stand that raises it above my laptop's monitor so i can use both at the same time and have improved ergonomics when travelling. I made my own minimalist stand that i use with a 15.6" USB-C LG monitor that does this and its great, but bigger screen would be better as i really miss my 34" ultrawide when away from my desk for long periods.
I have asked Josh if he performed the tests with battery only or connected to an ac outlet. It is expected to have lower, a lot lower performance on battery in this laptop. I am convinced that "Performance mode" is not even available with battery... A trick to avoid this would be to use an USB C powerbank capable of delivering enough power. But i am waiting for Josh's answer. to be sure that he performed the tests without ac adapter... let's see...
@@dapc73 well after a few weeks of doing development work with the laptop I can say that is not as bad as he claims but yeah, is noticible, I was using an i7 dell g5 gaming laptop for work and I switch to this laptop expecting the same or even better performance but no, is not up to par to that 2019 Dell G5. That said, I don't mind less performance because the diference is not that much, I'm happy to have a more portable laptop and having two screens when I'm travel
Hi, can you give me your opinion on the performance? I am in the same situation as you were 2 months ago. Just bought one and I also need it to perfom well.
@@dqcoelho @antonyserralta I understand this might not be a viable workaround for many, but it works for me so i am sharing it.... You can only choose the "performance mode" when the laptop "sees" a capable power supply connected to an AC outlet, so what I do when i am travelling and have no access to an AC outlet is, I use a power bank that complies with Power delivery 3.1 (3.0 might be enough) so that it "fools" the laptop and actually allows me to choose the best "performance MODE" anywhere I go. The "Performance mode" is turned on combining the "Fn" key + the "F" key combined.... Hope this helps you to get the most out of your laptop in the wild :) I am loving mine for multi tasking even if i know the ultra 9 processor is not used at it's maximum performance, ever, due to the form factor of the laptop. note: I am still waiting for Josh's comment to understand if the review he did was with battery only or with a power supply... I suspect it was with battery only because this is a laptop..
when you start a sentence with the subject, you don't have to add a second subject for instance: "the macbook IT HAS a good keyboard" -> "the macbook HAS a good keyboard"
