Best Government Type in Europa Universalis? EU4 Monarchies and Tribes Tier List 

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English monarchy is kinda annoying. Not having the nobility in 1.30 is really bad when you can get strong duchies, mil points, manpower, general cost etc

Iqta is pretty powerful when you are a colonial empire, because colonies count as your vassals.

Plot twist: you can remain typical monarchy as poland after getting lithuania under PU if you give 4 privileges to the polish nobility(honestly idk how the zchzhchlahta is spelled) The 4 privileges will prevent you from getting fifth privilege cuz 4 is the maximum kekw

All the weebs cringe everytime he says "Dynamo" instead of "Daimyo"

Please use the wiki in future tier lists just like this time. It’s really hard to follow along your nation tier lists when we have no idea what the ideas of the nations are and just look at them in vacuum.

I've been waiting for a video like this for so long Subbed/liked/shared, channel deserves more love

The wiki has got Celestial Empire factually wrong. Atm(`1.30) I am making a WC with Qing with Celestial Emire and I got 3 estates with the privileges for + 1 monarch point, On top of that Mandate got buffed and unless you have a lot of devastation or 300+ dev horde on your border AND no truce with it it is really easy to keep it going up and get some sweet bonuses!

You should try a Brabant to Netherlands game it's very fun especially the massive HRE coalitions that murder you :)

Dynamo government type best sad you can be forced to commit sepenko

20:44 Estates will be disabled only without the Mandate of Heaven. It is actualy quite OP for WC, I they rebalanced it. Mandate it now much easier to manage you only loose it for devastation in your states, corruption, having more than five loans. The downsides are that celestial reforms might be sometimes painful to do and meritocracy, which is not hard to deal it in early game. It was probably F tier before but in 1.30 it is A tier or S tier. You can get -20% core-creation cost. After you finnish celestial reforms, you can benefit from permanent -10% stability cost modifier and -2,5 national unrest. You don't even have to do the reforms. It works so well with Qing ideas for example.

Really interesting video. Good job!

8:32 Your leader cannot be killed by shogun if you have +50% liberty desire so for japanese minors its really problem in early game.

I'm so glad you're finally blowing up dude, watched you since 200 just waiting for the moment ur subs are going to start rapidly go up :D

Hot take: independent daimyo is not that good. It sounds good in a vacuum, but let's look at it in practicality. I'm by no means an expert on this, but I'm pretty sure, the only time you get to be independent daimyo, is when you have been a daimyo and your Shogun gets overthrown. And the one, overthrowing is probably already you. You have to become independent daimyo before you annex Kyoto, so you take the reform, but then you probably immediately want to become Shogun, which is a much better government type. Of course you could always just not become Shogun and stay as independent daimyo, but I don't see a good reason outside of roleplaying aspects.

6:44 army tradition is more useful since paradox nerfed lots of army tradition modfiers in 1.30

21:00 you actuallyl misread that. It says it has factions if estates are disabled, meaning that Celestial Empire can have estates.

28:45 aq qoyunlu and qara qoyunlu are not arabian, aq is turkish and qq is azerbaijani

23:46 English monarchy should be like C/D tier because of nobility being disabled which is huge setback.

As Lithuania, you can form Russia or Ruthenia or any other of the Eastern Slavic releasable nations, I assume, by making one of the Eastern Slavic culture groups your primary culture and the decision to swap into another eastern Slav nation should show up in the "Policies and Decisions" HUD screen in EU4.

Will you share the URL for the EU wiki, my computer does weird things when I try to go through Paradox?

Hordes are insanely good in the new patch

I was so mad when I couldn’t get the feudal theocracy when I went zoroastrian

can you do a tier list not just based on the normal game and normal nations but based on their cost when making a custom nation? because soem that you might list as high tier might not be so high tier if they cost 75 points etc

Absolutesky habibski

So whats about the Republics tier list? Cant find them.

As a Shogunade you can make your Dynamos commit Seppumku. Close enough Habibi.

Air by Bach is the name of the song at the start :)

what is the music you used in the background? sounds chill

Are you sure you lose Mamluke Government when forming Arabia? I heard you keep it unlike when you form Egypt.

From the generic 3 i always chose Feudal Nobility cuz I have 0 idea what unjustified demands does

in my opinion both iquta goverments should be a bit higher especially that iquta is simply better than autocracy, same with elective monarchy because it's op - you can pu literally all of europe, also it give you the union with lithuania and national unrest, maximum absolutism is not imprtant because you can become absolute monarchy in event - so it gets amazing bonusses that can carry you through early to mid game, however it shouldn't be in SS tier (only S) because you can't really control who is your ruler and it's sometimes hard to take good dynasty. also in my opinion austrian reform should be in SS tier because it saves you tons of diplomatic power - that you need as austria in order to finish ideas, anex vassals etc. also -2 national unrest is great the only downside is that you don't start with it but the same thing can be said about mughals. mamelukan gove type is too high, 2 admin point's are good same with culture and gov capacity bonus but the fact that you must stay as mamluks kills it because their ideas aren't the best - they are mostly for trade + 5% discipline but they unit type is bad i'd put them in A tier. celestial empire in my opinion is D or even C - true that it's better to form yuan without it but it's because you do this as horde if you're playing other nations mandate isn't really that bad - gives you nice bonusses, also meritocracy is actually good because you can generate a lot of monarch point's for free wtih cheaper advisors, it was in F before removal of "not enough tributaries" but now you form for example qing conquer land, spam tributaries and can run over whole asia and europe with economy. same with shogunate, you can literally vasalise whole world and it gets nice bonuses - only downside is that you can't become an empire but with tons of vassals it's okay - SS tier in my opinion. same with english monarchy it's not even close to be as good as elective monarchy so both can;t be in A tier.

Daimyos could be S because nobody stays in japan after conquered all island. Against ming or colonial countries such as spain morale army and infantry ability are good especially when you combined them with the ideas like quality.

Waiting for part 2

can you please specify when you make this kind of tierlist if you are talking about MP or SP? i know you are a skilled MP´er, but some of the things you say make me think you are talking about SP so im not sure.

What happened to this Republic & Theocracy government reform tier list? Somehow I can't even find it!

i'll have to look to that combines mughal thing. of form tham as Oman, just for the fun of it

I like how you adopt the government of the neighboring country which means that natives can theoretically access literally any government reform not restricted to religion I gave Inca an English Monarchy

Celestial empire doesnt have estates if you play ming (they get factions). If you play another country and take the mandate you will keep your estates. Their +300 GC is the biggest buff of them all, you get permaclaims all over the china region, and you can you get -20%CCR via reforms+policy. You only dodge it as yuan/qing because the mandate takes away your horde government.

Prussia one should be SS if you asked me it is a very strong one Feudal Theocracy you also get it when you form Caliphate

What is the piano music starting around 5:30

Did you forget about states general

independent dynamo

In my mamluks to arabia game when I formed arabia i kept mamluks government. Which was annoying given my whole goal was to have a ruler called lawrence

I mostly agree.

Steppe Nomads not in SSSSSSS tier?

What is the name of the music?

Me learning As independent daimyo Vassalize ashigaka while they have some daimyos left and they will stay there daimyos and then they can’t fight each other and will actually help? Hmmmm

Lol dynamo

If you like custom nations try playing a Feudal nobility custom nation owning the provinces of ashigaka and getting all the daimyos but they can’t fight each other and they help you fight wars better than daimyos and don’t take diplomatic slots but you can’t get more daimyos only vassals so don’t annex them unless they are landlocked Try to extort your daimyos with vassalage taxation modifiers such as high legitimacy, feudal nobility, influence ideas and policies, events, parliament and ideas so customize your custom nation to have vassal based ideas You don’t need vassal force limit because influence policies and ideas give you that also you extort your vassals so they can’t get much soldiers

What about Ambrosian Republic?

Lithuanian government type isn't the best, but the country it self has a good mission tree (tho it is small and lacks stuff for a country worthy of being a world power) where if Lithuania has boosts and you form PLC you get to keep those boosts for ever!

¿When will you rank republics?

wdym celestial empire f?! You get 300 gov cap, which early in the game is great. it makes you and empire. you get -10% CCR, -2.5 unrest, -autonomy and +1 admin skill on ruler. you can choose to get another additional -10% dev cost and -10% CCR when expanding, +20% ship durability to kick malayas or japans ass, +10% inf CA when fighting european dudes or tax/trade when at peace. Cmon, it's great.

you say you got 1000 subscribers just before posting this? how did you go from 1000 to 14.5k in 2 months?

10:40 just don't get partitioned like historically

At 21:24 you say you dodge the Empire of Heaven by dismantling it. How do you dismantle it?

Holy shit, your pronunciations make me wanna commit “SEPENKU”

What about the theocracy?

Dues Folt CB lmao

Hindi Republic is truly Overpowered

At least we all know that peasants republic is OP

Where is the link to the second video?

Eh, personally think celestial empire deserved d or c instead of F. Its not absolute garbage, but can be a downgrade from quite a few things

what do you mean by "CURSED" when you talk about getting austrian monarchy with mughul?

English monarchy A Celestial empire F 💯 Dude never played Ming or MOH

omg those japanese pronunciations :D

Definitely SSS for Mughal Diwan, forming The Caliphate as Mughals is so cursed it's unbelievable (feudal theocracy + diwan) Also gond kindgom is for indian tribes like Bundelkhand if I'm not mistaken, I encountered this in my Nagpur run

Luxembourg is a grand duchy.

background music ?

The celestial empire does have estates and not factions with the Mandate of Heaven DLC though. And the reforms are pretty strong. I don't get why you despise this government so much.

Shogunate s? Something tells me u haven't played as ashikaga :P

Where are the others? I mean republics etc.

11:12 The way he pronounces ,,sejm" is really disturbing

Eastern plutocracy is definitely not C lol

The best government type without a doubt are the ones that allow personal unions.

I it just me or Am i hearing umineko soundtrack on the background?

qq and aq are turkish tribes not arabian fam

I think calling Lietuva grand duchy is wrong. It was kingdom. Its ruler was the grate lord, lord of lords the highest titule of his people, so he was the king. Same as a king of kings is an emporor. Also the origin of the word that modern lietuviešu use for lord is actually the same one as for king. As the word used for king is comes from Karl as in Karlemagne.

wheres the republic vid?

i am pretty sure you can get a regency as an iqta

And where is papacy?

I cringe at "Dwen" instead of "Dynamo"

0/10 Prussian Space Marines are SS

Dynamo? Really?

Rurukovic LMAO

Dynamos???

Commit Sepenku

Dynamo>Daimyo

aq qoyunlu and qara qouyunlu are not arabian nations.They are turkish nations.

Aq qoyun and qara qoyun not fucking arabian nations!