@Dexirt ..no they didn't have a warrant or a court order for the "safe"..only for the home at the time when they contacted Liberty asking for the code. According to a report last week from the New York Times, Liberty Safe acknowledged that it voluntarily gave the FBI an access code to a safe “in response to a search warrant for a property.”Sep 12, 2023 the FBI "did not have a court order ordering Liberty Safe to provide the safe's combination."
I started with a decent small safe in 2004 but after my collection grew, I did a lot of research on multiple brands of gun safes and finally settled on an American Security BF 6636 due in fact to the thick half inch plate steel door and dual steel walls on the body and lastly the superior poured fire cladding instead of sheetrock. My criteria were for burglary protection first and foremost. One thing that I caught on to early in the search was the fact that most gun safes that used composite doors would never really let you know just how much steel was in the door. That's a nonstarter Browning and Liberty.
No sir. Not me. What Liberty did with the FBI was WRONG. Other companies would most probably deny and sue as it violates 4th amendment rights. We, Parker's Safes and Vaults, don't keep a database of combos and codes and even if we did, "they" wouldn't get them without a bitter fight. In my opinion, this will all work out in our favor and these other safe companies will learn a valuable lesson about how to handle a request to violate a customers' right to be secure in their persons, papers, houses and effects as outlined in the 4th Amendment. I'll be posting a video soon to show some ways to counter this type of assault on our 4th Amendment Rights.
Look they would have opened it one way or another..any decent Locksmith can open these types of safe's quite easily with time. And even an idiot Government agent with a cutting wheel can through these thin gauge bodies nowadays. But what Liberty did without even asking for a warrant first before giving up the master code was absolutely ridiculous and shameful on them.
That' may be true but it's not the point. The point is that Liberty voluntarily gave out the customer's combo. One could easily argue that the customer had a reasonable expectation of privacy and security when purchasing something like a safe. The fact that they'd gain access one way or another is irrelevant. I get the idea behind your comment, and I appreciate it, but behavior like this is exactly why we have the 4th amendment. If there was no warrant, there was no reason to submit to their request.@@aldo-228
If the warranty is important to you then people need to evaluate the long term existence of the safe company the best they can. A lifetime warranty might mean the company not the safe.
I have noticed that the door will be a solud steel and glass relock but the body will be 14 gauge and drywall single layer. Just the door is heavy duty.
The BFX has 2 layers of steel encompassing 2" of a poured in concrete type fire insulation. The outer steel is 11 ga. and the inner steel is 12 ga. The BFII has the same but with the inner layer of steel being 5/16" No 14 ga. and no drywall
My question to you is how do you feel about the liberty fatboy safe regardless of the fact that liberty safe company just gave access to the fbi without a search warrant is my question because I am interested in buying one and changing out the the piece that is where the access is stored man? Yes I am talking about a electronic lock safe as well what is your opinion on the Vaultek safes? I know they are not fire rated well but that’s not why I want them. I want them for the quick access to be able to keep in the hallway and by both the front and back doors is why I am asking so please answer my questions. Thank you
I should probably write a script instead of trying to remember everything and talking off the cuff. You’re right though, their door gaps are really good especially for a production safe.,
@@peteburns6208 Graffunder and all of the U.S. built American Security gun safes do. There are other manufacturers that have models with plate steel doors, but you have to do your homework to make sure you’re getting one. Most safes nowadays have what we call a composite door which is made to look thick, but there’s really not much steel in it at all. It’s usually hollow with their fire lining inside which is usually sheetrock.
I'm having a problem finding a safe that holds 35 long rifles only. I don't need any shelves or any pistol pockets on the door. Just a long gun safe. Any thing out there like that?
You can get rid of the factory user code, which is generally 123456 and put in your own but most locks feature a code that’s called a manager reset code and is extremely helpful when there’s a death in the family or something like that. Generally, there’s a serial number on the lock itself and with the proper paperwork and proof of ownership, the company will release that manager reset code. There’s a lot of controversy out there right now around that because Liberty safe voluntarily gave that manager reset code to the FBI during a raid. That was a huge mistake for them which most manufactures would not have made and certainly wouldn’t now!
@@jimmymac4559mechanical locks have that same expiration date. I have a 35 year old ProSteel safe with a mechanical lock that won't open because the tumblers are sticking. My electronic lock safe works and when the lock failed I was able to replace it myself without a locksmith and the $500.00 price tag to just get it open.
All safes sold in retail chain stores are “JUNK”! Best I’ve seen are Magnum Safe Co. Constructed of the same armor plate steel that is used on U.S.Army tanks. The Best ! ⚔️🇺🇸⚔️
Lights? That’s what’s important to you? It has lights but they don’t make it more secure or add to the fire rating. There, now big chief say, “Has lights I buy.”
If the door doesn't have at least 1/4 inch of steel plate, WALK AWAY FROM IT. Steel is CHEAP, no reason to go so cheap on the door.. Fire ratings are over rated. How many safes are compromised by fire? Put some small fire safes inside to protect you cash or other small valuables.
Do you keep the codes to all the safes you sell to customers, so if the law enforcement pulls a warrant will you bend over or will you protect the customers privacy rights....liberty safe dose not care about customers rights, liberty parent company also donated over 1/2 million to the democrat party shows me they don`t care about the US constitution
As a supporter of the 4th amendment, I would only bend over, as you say. if a warrant has been issued particularly describing the place to be searched and the person or thing to be seized. But no, we don't keep the codes as I mentioned in the vid.
We're a dealer for a number of safe companies but not a Liberty dealer. I believe that their best play would have been to refuse and sue based on the apparent 4th Amendment violation. There are steps to take as safe owners to prevent this and we have a video addressing such here on RU-vid. We don't keep a database of combos or codes.
