Update: The full review of the ASUS Scar 17 with 7945HX is up! Get all the details next: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TjvQ1ZezOXY.html
Hey Jarrod, would you be able to get a laptop with a 7745HX in it and compare it with the 7945HX in single core heavy games and benchmarks? I play alot of game / VR games that utilize single core heavily so the 3.6 vs 2.9 base clock has me concerned that getting the top end will gimp my personal experience. Problem is alot of companies force you to get the high end if you want a high end graphics card which sucks. EG Alienware.
@@FTL1511 The difference between them is mostly different GPU, with overseas version of g17 and g18 only having up to 4070 while scar 17 and 18 starts at 4080
what do you think of this configuration for this laptop? legion pro 5 2023 - ryzen 9 7945HX - RTX4070 - 1TB - 32GB - screen 240 hertz 500 nits - for the price of 1896.56 US Dollar
Good to see AMD giving a tough competition to Intel. With Apple pressuring Intel with it's M series, Intel will be pressed to find a better performing processor thermally. Good for the consumer.
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Data Science and AI graphics Computer modelling and networking Virtualization??
@@Samdevay get Asus ROG strix g16 with the nebula display. it should be around 2500USD, you get 4070, 32gb ram ddr5, nebula display mini LED 1600p, 100% rgb 100% DCI-3, 3 fan, best laptop cooling technology at the moment. and best core i9-13980hx
@@Samdevay basically you get best everything in the market right now, best screen display, best CPU best ram, best cooling system but only 4070 gpu because if higher than that with 1600p Nebula display in asus it will overheat your laptop unnecessarily.
Hey Jarrod, please make a video comparing the ryzen 5 and the i5 too. Majority of the people are planning to buy midrange laptops with those processors.
@@randy89555 No Bro This year will be different❤❤❤ In single core intel will easily beat AMD ❤❤❤ And because of higher single core Clock in AMD so Battery life will be also Degrade And another think clock speed can't decide the single core speed but yeh higher clock speed will definitely decide battery backup Because if any company build a processor core for higher clock speed then that core can't use for lower clock speed Thats why intel use P+ E Core Architecture for Efficiency In battery power mode your laptop will use E core for more battery life.
The gaming results where the AMD chip is faster in 1440p and 4k are due to the chip using less energy at lower usage, allowing the GPU to use more of the available TDP, allowing better FPS.
Love it when Intel and AMD are competitive like this on the CPU side... on the GPU side tho its far grimmer for this generation especially, both AMD and Nvidia did a massive flop for price to performance especially when the price hike is so big.
You have to look at overall cost and performance you're getting. the good old Intel/Nvidia combo of laptops are always sure to be extremely expensive. And the Nvidia Laptop GPU's from 80 series to 90 series never deliver what they hype up to be...that's been proven. Why I love the AMD Advantage laptops. Perfect balance of power and efficiency within a cohesive ecosystem
Hey love the analysis you do and that's great as always 👍 *BUT* you often switched around the position of the i9 and R9 in the different sections so viewers always have to check which one is on top on which graph. It would be better if one of them is always on top and the other always bottom.
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Data Science and AI graphics Computer modelling and networking Virtualization???
Quite interesting data. I find it especially interesting how Intel and AMD are trading blows instead of having a clear lead for one side or the other. EDIT: In gaming.
WHat's best laptop around ( 2500USD-2600USD) 1.5-1.8 lac for working professional Screen Size 17.3 or 18 Data Science and AI graphics Computer modelling and networking Virtualization??
@@randxalthor The iGPU didn't do poorly at youtube playback, battery life is unrelated to performance. The issue with battery life is with chiplets. Chiplets are much less efficient than monolithic dies, and it's a sacrifice that had to be made in order to achieve such high multicore performance at lower power. The 15W-54W Phoenix will have much higher battery life, since that is monolithic too.
@@mikeb3172 It might also be because the 7945hx is chiplet just like the 7950x (because they need chiplets to get 16 cores with good yields and reasonable cost), and the 7950x has significantly higher idle power consumption than even the 13900k due to the chiplet design. When amd does monolithic, they beat intel in battery life but seem to lose performance due to the lack of l3 cache that can fit.
@@mikeb3172 I don't think he messed up the test, but it is hard to pinpoint what as there's no power data during the battery life test. Maybe that would help? Notebookcheck found the 7945HX CPU package power to consume 42% more power at idle than the i9-13900HX (8.3W on AMD vs 5.8W on Intel). 2.5 at 1hr idle = 2.5 WHr stolen. >We also checked the CPU Package Power while idling with identical power settings on both systems. Intel's Core i9-13900HX is better in this regard with an average consumption of 5.8 Watts, while the AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX consumes 42 % more at ~8.3 Watts. But that'd only explain maybe ~10 WHr due to higher load (thus a ~11% loss in battery life). Something else is wrong here.
Bruh, hope the motherboard problem doesn't spread into their AMD laptop lineup (as the Ryzen 9 7945HX is basically a 7950X desktop but with cutted down TDP)
@@Eleganttf2 Considering the temps in this video I'd sooner bet it isn't. That AMD chip was running much hotter than the Intel and that was while pulling less power. Definitely something going on there.
What a right moment for this video to release, the M18 was offering both high end configs but ended up getting Intel since it was cheaper oddly enough & I guess i made the right choice since the performance difference in games is negligible (I play at 1080p anyways so went for the 480hz option ) all I care about is cooling & maintaining its max speeds now, thanks for the video glad I don’t have to cancel my order lol
how are you enjoying it? and why do you prefer to game in 1080p instead of 1440p on the m18? i keep going back and forth as i was gonna use AMD for the CPU and the 7900m GPU but it requires me to get the FHD screen and not the UHD
@@jacedragon I enjoy it a lot, IMO FHD is where it’s at for high refresh rate gaming & I love high FPS. It really depends on what you want, I went with the 4090 config but I hear the 7900m is in between 4070 & 4080. & on an 18 inch screen 1200p is fine for me of course QHD will look crispier but I don’t care much about res if Im being honest. I went for the 4090 for the best performance possible & the 13980HX since the test shows it was doing better at 1090p
Jarrod, thank you very much for improving the "Professional applications" Section in the review: I must say that more and more engineering companies and such start using gaming laptops instead of "Professional" laptop with "professional" video cards (like RTX T1000, RTX A4000 and so on) -- the price premium for "professional" became insane lately, not reasoning the gains. If you could add any 3D CAD applications (SolidWorks, CATIA, Fire Pro) and FE software (CalculiX is free, for example) that would be great!
they don't sacrifice efficiency under load though, it's absolutely the opposite. Which might make a difference in a few years in a laptop with a total board power limit when the CPU is hammered in a game using a full 175W on a 4080 or 4090. In other words, something like a CPU limit of 75W will get more work done by a 7945HX than it will by a 139x0 HX.
I'm trying to decide between these two laptops right now and want to thank you for such a detailed, informative, and concise video. My current gaming laptop has an intel CPU but for most of my life I've preferred AMD, and, thanks to your excellent comparative review and AMD's friendlier price point, I think I'll be returning to my AMD roots. Thanks again!
quite a bummer for me, I loved the last generation of amd processors because they managed to deliver pretty good performance while doubling the battery life compared to intel. sucks to know that this isn't the case with these two high end chips
you need to get 7040HS or U series processors for that, they have better battery life compared to even ryzen 6000. 7945HX is just 7950X desktop with less memory speeds. Same with 13980HK, it is literally a 13900K.
From other reviews, the ryzen 9 seems to be way more efficient than the i9 in multi-core heavy workloads (all cores being pushed as hard as possible), and show similar efficiency in single core heavy workloads (a single core being pushed to 100%). However, for workloads that are not heavy at all (like the one done by Jarrod - watching a simple youtube video), the efficiency cores in the i9 are enough to keep the task going, so there's no need for the performance cores to kick in, thus saving a lot of battery.
12:34 Zen 4 laptop chips are same as desktop ones. Those aren't monolithic. 610M is simply what Zen 4 comes with by default, as this iGPU is inside of the I/O die
cross load limits might be lower tho. The less pure performance-oriented models like these tend to have firmware limits in place to limit CPU power under full GPU load to keep well below powerbrick limit.
Thanks for another excellent comparison, Jarrod! You think you could make a review of an HX i7 model+4090m? The 1% lows due to too many cores on the i9 is terrible. Imagine buying a top end gaming laptop and get poor framerate stability just because you chose a top end CPU
While I don't need MacBook levels of battery life, I do quite frequently use my gaming laptop unplugged for content consumption and light duty tasks. AMD's result was surprising and quite disappointing
@@randy89555 what will be better is phoenix. That one is monolithic, and while it will only top out at 8 cores, will bring similar or even better battery life than macbooks
@@souvikmondal6161that's just not true. While 7000 HS series have impressive performance for their TDP, they're roughly about the same level as Intel i7/i9 H series, and far more slower than HX big boys (especially in multi core work load).
The ryzen one is so damn good at 65w. Thanks for testing jarrods tech. Embarrassing that no other tech reviewers have tinkered around with tdps before and showed the amazing perf of this cpu at 65w
Great comparison! I wonder how the Intel Core i9-13900H compares to the intel i9-13980hx since I see the 13900h in many midrange to highrange laptops and the 13980hx in more highrange laptops. Are the 13980hx laptops worth their price?
Idle power consumption of this 5nm desktop chiplet cpu used hear is more. 4nm 8 core regular ryzen processors have better efficiency than last gen 7nm and 6nm ryzen.
Other hypothesis: AMD does better at 4K, because of the higher efficiency. So a bit more thermal headroom is available for the GPU to stretch its legs.
11:37 I think I have an explanation: As you stated before, the 7945hx is a bit more efficient. So maybe it drawing less power improves thermals or powersupply for the GPU?
1:25 Intel at 150W equals Ryzen at 75W. For a laptop, you don't want to run your CPU at 150W, as that's a laptop not a toaster! I'd limit the TDP at 75W for the CPU or even 65W.
So basically, for these 2 laptops: if buyers are mostly doing 3D rendering on the go - AMD if buyers are mostly doing heavy video editing - INTEL Great to see consumers are getting options on which one to buy... although I myself can't afford to buy neither of these 2 laptops... LOL
Phenomenal video per usual and much appreciated! In the process of upgrading in the next few days. Been bouncing between the Scar 16,17,18. I wish I had somewhere local to see them in person but unfortunately do not.
Great comparison, thank you! Would it also be possible to include a game like Anno 1800 in future comparisons? Since this game really benefits from fast CPUs and especially Cache, it would be great to see the difference in the processors performance.
I do not recommend going cheap with tech, probably go mid-range. Believe me. I have had a $100 phone and doing anything (even checking my e-mail) took minutes to do. With laptops, at least $1,000 is required.
@@randy89555 right... Buy for what u really need... Goes a long way... It turns out strix g17 is cheaper than it's i9 peers and go lower on GPU (for me I am not a gamer). If they paired AMD 7945hx w 3060 3070 I take it.
What AMD can do with 35W, Intel matched it with 50, and What AMD can do with 45, Intel matched it with 75. AMD is Really efficient now. Imagine that in games, you can give way more power to the GPU. Outstanding from AMD.
In desktops, where you buy the RAM yourself, for sure. But a laptop that already comes with RAM? That is the fault of the laptop manufacturers, they can't expect us to be changing the sticks to maximise performance. Whatever machine is better in its stock configuration is what wins. Also, on the other hand, faster RAM has an effect on gaming more than anything else, since multithreaded applications don't benefit from memory bandwidth so much. And in gaming is where intel was already most competitive, if not better.
All this effort and can't beat a single core performance? Too bad, AMD. 90% of the routine of 75% of all users requires single core performance. Killing battery life for this???
@@randy89555 try AI coding, running multiple VMs with your single core performance 😂 And if you're in the market for a desktop replacement why would you care about battery life?
Competition is good. Intel was king of the hill for WAY to long and it only led to stagnation and minimal to no improvements for years. I am glad to see them trading back and forth again. That being said, my 13900HX can hit 32k in Cinebench, and I have seen some get up to 35k, so the model of laptop seems to REALLY affect this.
peak scores of >37K on the Legion 7 Pro and Mech GP17 with tuned RAM pulling like 180W. 7945HX in these Asuss units on sale isn't good enough when it comes to pure CPU benching. Waiting for a Legion 7 Pro with a 7945HX sitting under a vapour chamber!
Ordered the 17 for $800 less than the 18 with the same specs. Also seems like 17 has less or no coil whine compared to 18 as some say. Will see when it arrives in a day or two
Thanks for this review i made up my mind thanks to it. I bought the Intel version rog 18, but with nvidia 4070. I work a lot in Corel Draw and with Adobe Suite.
How tf is 2 graphic cores using more power for video playback, did you bother investigating? Is it high cpu idle while paying video thats esting up battery??
For those who are looking for a laptop for a daily light-needs and haven't decided between these 2 processors. Please just pick the cheapest price among these.
Man, your content is just amazing. It highlights the best of each product and is as thorough and non-biased of a run down as I've ever seen. Fantastic job 👏 Ty
That's because the E cores aren't very efficient. Low power, doesn't automatically mean efficient.. to be efficient, they need to be low power and performant, but they're not , hence why so many have been thrown at this thing (each needing power) along side the P cores, yet it still loses to 16 Zen 4 cores in both metrics.
The battery life differences are not related to the iGPU it is mostly from the IO die from AMD and to top it off its a chiplet design versus intel's monolithic silicon design. Although both are power hogs most likely due to the sheer amount of cores available for use. I think intel with more tweaking can probably eek out more battery life but then again it is not the point of these machines.
My #1 laptop reviewer! Would you recommend a good mobile workstation that has good +16gb gpu memory and +64 memory and hi rez screen? I need that for vray/cad renderings.
If you get your hands on the Blade 14 2023 with RTX40 can you do a comparison with the G14 2023 and also if you can, test both the performance when unplugged? :D
AMD getting slightly better results in games at higher resolutions could be down to the system using less resources for the CPU & allowing the GPU slightly more resources to just nudge ahead.
