Best Leader for a Space Marine Army? Codex Characters Reviewed! 

That would make so much money I think

I always thought you can do this with existing chapter masters just with a shoulder pads and head swap. For example I want a chapter master that has a jump pack for my home brew so I use Kayvann Shrike expect not with emo hair

Naive child. Gw are so bleeding the kneeled before black rock and delete 30% of aos roster. You would not get nothing. Only poc and strong women. As we already has in last 40K books and animation.

If people are staring out seems like a good idea. Not like everyone has spare bits for custom chapter master

They used to have one very customizable option, the Space Marine Commander, but GW removed it years ago...

Judiciar should be able to join Chaplains at least.

Apothecary Biologis should be able to revive a Gravis and have higher points for it.

The techmarine on bike sheet has the ability too. Its very silly to send that missile

For real. I really wish a tyranid prime could lead warriors, hormagaunts, and termagants. A neurotyrant should be able to lead zoanthropes.

@@ernstbergerbrent and a Winger Tyranid Prime should have some form of decent ranged weapon to compliment the fact they can lead Gargoyles.

@AAw3s0m3 i know right? I also miss the neurothrope. I feel we're still paying for how good our 9th edition codex was.

@@ernstbergerbrent a pain for me as I only got into the tabletop aspect with the Leviathan boxset =^)

Swarm lord technically lore wise is a leader if we ever get a norn queen model

I play Boarding Actions. An Ancient with Artificer Armour for 50 points. 2+ 4++ 4+++. Although.. I'd love to get my hands on the Gravis now you mention it.

The Little C'tan That Could

@@VibratingSky I just started playing BA with some mates and ran this, although artificer armour in BA is different in the rules we found as it only give you 2+ and a 4++, not a FNP. Depends on how your running it tho. FYI he went 1v1 with Azzy who charged him, he tanked most of it and then took Azzy off the board... lol

He's great to take on his own. Deep strike him into corners to do objectives/challenge for opponents home objective, and be a pain in the arse to kill while doing it.

@@tyhar7493 Ancient has 4+++ built-in on objectives or if he is within 6" of the board centre. Just use him to hold an objective for a couple of turns.

Nice. Running this for the first time this weekend, any tips?!

I play Deathwatch. It's my job to make stupid decisions like that.

So not Calgar?

I think I could do it, just give me duck tape and 5 minutes

Only problem is... NOTHING CAN STOP THE SWARM!

We're talking Space Marines not the Avatar of Khaine

The biggest issue with that is the unit choices. Now him with hellblasters or infernus in an impulsor I’d get behind.

I run the same combo but with a lieutenant (the Indomitus blade lieutenant). I like to attack the oath target and fish for lethal hits (when it makes sense) and then re-roll all wounds afterwards. Truly a brutal combo that even makes enemy armor quiver in fear. The fallback and shoot/charge is also handy for when the enemy tries to bog you down with distraction chaff units like a blob of Nurglings.

For 15 more points you can get a lieutenant with a power fist and a plasma pistol, who gives the unit he is leading lethal hits as well as fall back, shoot and charge. The ancients fnp only applies to him leaving the +1 oc as his bonus to the squad. The squads deserving of a leader would just prefer the lieutenant buffs leaving the only real niche for the ancient is 15 less points to squeeze him into a list.

I've written a non competitive Raven Guard list that has the exact same unit. Deep striking Reivers with bolt carbines with the Phobos LT's shoot and scoot ability just seems like a good combo at least if nothing else just to have an annoying shooting skirmisher unit.

@captaincoolbreeze9429 grotz sat on home objectives will fear that unit. Nothing much else will tho 😅😅😅😅

@@War_Hammered I did say annoying skirmisher unit, meaning it can deep strike, do a little shot with either bolt carbines or their -1 ap pistols, then move away, plus the LT gives them lethal hits. Is this a dangerous unit, no, but it is still an annoying harassment unit that has space marine toughness, wounds, and armor save.

@captaincoolbreeze9429 yeah exactly. I hoping I can use them to Bully a unit. Hopefully nick an objective. And if its going really well. Score a couple of secondaries before my opponent redirects someone hard to go deal with them. On paper it sounds decent 👌 hopefully it goes well for us

@@War_Hammered That seems like a good strategy. Reivers do not have much of a punch in shooting and their special rule is hit or miss since it forces a battle shock test, but otherwise you have a fairly cheap harassment unit with space marine stats that will require your opponent to dedicate some decent shooting or melee to deal with that they would rather use on a bigger threat. Otherwise, if they don't deal with your Reiver Squad now you could score a secondary or snag a primary objective. If they do devote something to deal with the unit now you have an actual damage dealer to counter punch.

There it is. Kantor with a Lieutenant in Gladius and Sternguard is very punchy.

How did your opponent have both Paragon Warsuits and a Land Raider?

@@fuzzypat two different games

Chaplain on bike is shit. Those devastating wounds on 2 shot bikes means nothing.

The issue is when you've got combos like flamestorms 6d6+6 (30 average) strength five ap 1 damage 1 twin linked flamers with dev wounds for 2cp you can give for free with a gravis captain on a 6 man block of aggressors and that's only like 320 points Vs 12 damage 1 S4 attacks attacks for 160 outriders and (70 I think chaplain) 230 points isn't the best, 90 less points no ap, one less strength and understanding half the average attacks with no potential to spike higher. Listen I love bikes I've bought 9 outsiders since the codex came out but I have no intention of playing them right now as they are just THAT bad sadly 😊

@@gutzyzz1302 That is a very good combo. I will not deny that but it requires a lot of investment. You need to play a specific detachment (It is one of the better ones true) it's a higher point investment and you can't use your free battle tactic on say Armour of Contempt to keep those slow moving aggressors alive and it locks you out of other Captains (Tacticus Captain with Infernus can do that job as well). Even with assault. It can be hard to move them up the board sometimes so if you need a transport, which means a Land Raider Redeemer that's is 260 points more points. Since a Repulsor doesn't have the transport space for 7 Gravis marines. That's over 500 points a quarter of your army for this super combo. Yes, Bikes aren't that good I'd never say to build around them. They are a good way to move up the board quickly score secondary points and with the dev wounds can do some damage. You can slap them onto the army for cheap cost and you don't feel like you've lost your linchpin when go down. I treat them as an annoyance to distract my opponent with while more important moves are made.

@@PhillipOnTakos it's actually a lower point investment, you have to think of the game as points per x, it might cost more linearly but per point it's astronomically more efficient, 90 about 45% more points for over 3x more average damage profiles. Also armour of contempt is a battle tactic , so you can always use that to move these up the board anyway? Not to mention we can take Uriel to deep strike them if we so wished which is 75 points so why on earth would you need a redeemer, when we can now deep strike AND then advance and shoot with the detachment rules. And locking out of other captains is so what? Immolation protocols on them again is simply more efficient and it's the highest cost stratagem by far, so you aren't losing out by using your one captain free stratagem there. Also I thought the discussion was simply about the bikes Vs alternatives in regards to twin linked, Dev wounds potential, which the bikes really aren't that good at (again I love bikes) but it's just the truth, and they aren't good IN ANY detachment as they simply don't really gain anything from any of them, (unfortunately). Even for scoring secondaries there are a few far cheaper alternatives that do that better, the holy god that is the scouts now even after the nerfs with guireilla tactics for the re-deploy, they havw infiltrate AND scout, so you can screen the enemies infilrators turn one, set up to score secondaries turn one and most importantly you can infiltrate and scout to get insane crazy move blocking on your opponents turn 1 , for 65 points a unit, shotguns for advanve and obj and if you get turn one even more move block potential. Plus there's the absurd callidus and ever sore assasins right now for 90 and 75 per, that do that better even for the pointsz and you can play those (and the scouts) ANY Detachment. I get what you're saying and for all intensive purposes play your bikes and can they score sure, can they do some fun twin linked dev wounds shenanigans, and if you love those models awesome dude but from a competitive standpoint they simply dont do ANYTHING better than other units can do for the points I'm afraid. I'm gunning to use 3 squads of them with an ATV (I've got the models already built and painted I love em) but they objectively just suck donkey balls.

@@PhillipOnTakos oh also you can take Calgar for some absolutely absurd melee damage of his own, his guards with their invul make the unit insanely survivable AND take uriel for 75 on top of that and that's 490 so less than taking the redeemer and now they can deep strike , advance shoot and charge and fallback shoot charge and you've got cp generation to run immolation on them , 3cp per battle round and you can then also run a captain to use the battle tactic for free ELSEWHERE and depending on matchup in declare battle formations you can obviously flex where you attach Uriel and Calgar very flexibly and where you want the deep strike. And not only all of that the mellee is astromically better for the points.

Mmm don’t think so. It’s super common in tournaments to use something like a Death Jester with Fates Messenger (or whatever the enhancement is called) to get guaranteed sustained hits, fate dice for sustained on an avatar and so on. The “unmodified” applies to “modifiers” such as a plus or minus

My brother in Christ what apothecary model do you know that can attach to bladeguard?

​@michaelsantangelo1875 part of the issue. Space marine leaders are too heavily restricted. Also look at the cost of an apothecary vs a spiritseer. Spiritseer gives +1 to hit and lethal hits as well as the revive. It can be paired with wraithguard/blades.

I think it's under rated as well, but probably gets cut for points I think. I run mine in a 10 man sternguard unit often.

​@@michaelsantangelo1875they probably meant inner circle companions

Librarian is a cheap 60n points that pairs well with ICC

great character though

You know in a weird way, there's actually an easy way to retcon that in, simply by making her be Primarch of the II Legion.

So the Lion. He's the biggest of the Dark Angels. His datasheet will tell you he's bad (for the points). "Brother, I will bomb your mother." And he wears green.

They hate him. He is too noble and too white for them. In first founding Gw had the audacity to portrait blood angels as black- hair Chinese. Just f*ck them.

Well it could always be worse. Poor admech and Custdoes.

@@Sonof_DRN2004 That's a really low bar, and honestly, the only reason it's not worse for Space Marines is because they were never as good as Custodes to begin with. Real talk, the Codex nerfed Oath of Moment, Terminators, Sternguard, had countless models including some very good units (sniper scouts say hello) get cut, and then they got hammered by points hikes on anything performing decently well all while never even sniffing 50% WR. What happened to Custodes sucks, hardcore, but this is a comparing of having love and lost it for Custodes, vs Space Marines never getting to love at all.

@@basteala525 yeah the nerfs to the sternguard and terminators really stung, and probably stung a lot of people considering they were in the launch box. Sternguard are my favourite models, imo the best looking models in the game and they went from being very spicy with being able to shoot twice (provided they kill the 1st unit) to being given re-rolls to wounds against the Oath which was really really nice. No they only get to re-roll 1s against the Oath. Anyways it could always be worse, I’ve been undefeated for 6 games now so I count myself lucky.