Just a video.. showing the 2 greatest bodybuilders at their best moments! Ronnie Coleman Pro GP Finland 1998, and Arnold Schwarzenegger at Mr. Olympia 1975. The conclusions are yours!
The best bodybuilder of the aesthetic era vs the best bodybuilder of the mass era. We can´t compare Arnold and Ronnie, they´re just the best of each era. Personally, i prefer the old school, Arnold looks like the reincarnation of Hercules.
Exekution symmetry + definition Zane > Arnold; symmetry + definition + size + posing Arnold > Zane, this is of course for Arnold in his prime vs Zane in his prime, 80 Zane > 80 Arnold.
+Jimmy Pach I hope people don't forget that in 1970s Arnold was viewed as a mass monster and many of his competitors felt he won simply because he was the biggest BBer onstage. There were more balanced, aesthetic BBers who competed during Schwarzenegger's era, but Arnie dwarfed them in height and weight.
bigstink9 Yeah, in the 70´s people want a balance between muscle mass and aesthetics, today bodybuilding is just about how muscle mass you have at low BF levels. It is true that tall BB have a more difficult time develop big lower bodies relative to their size, but despite that, in my opinion, tall BB are the most impressive when they develop lean and highly muscular bodies, that’s the case of Steve Reeves and Arnold Schwarzenegger. Of course, others think that smaller but more symmetrical and aesthetics guys like Frank Zane are the most impressive.
Different era, different expectations. It was art back then not massive doses of several dangerous drugs and insulin and growth. That’s why Franco had his health into his 80’s and so will Arnold.
@@andrewramirizkbassily1837 it’s was used the same by them as it is by modern bodybuilders, it’s just the modern guys use more advanced products and take way more
dude u sure would be a horrible photographer or painter lol u have no notion of proportions and size by just looking.... in this video ronie might look way bigger but its the opposite, arnold was bigger and he still probably the biggest guy is history, maybe not his legs because he was not dumb and had really good sense of proportions, thats why he is consider the best of all, he use to say my body is in total equilibrium, if I grow one more centimeter of biceps I would have to do the same thing with the rest of the body, he was the master of pose, he had a genuine stomach vacuum and all he muscles were in total balance, you can even check the sizes of his muscles with ronie and see that most of arnold muscles were actually bigger except for legs and belly lol and check this link so you can see really how they would look like side by side www.muscolarmente.com/ieri-vs-oggi-il-culturismo-allepoca-di-schwarzenegger-e-ai-giorni-nostri/
Well on bodybuilding ronnies body is way more aesthetic arnold has a different style of muscle proportuons than bodybuilders today i dont find arnold that good but i gotta admit at his time he was by far the best bodybuilder
@@richardlawson9723 cant really compare old school to modern physiques man, back then people liked having smaller legs for a Vshape body like those old superhero cartoons so we can keep the legs out when comparing different eras. But Arnold's upper body is still top tier by today's standards
Arnold looks more like a greek godstatue. He didn´t use growth hormones and had a better nutriton. No turtle stomach and today in the age of 70 he still is in better shape than I will be.
The guts today are not really because of all the shit they inject but more a result of all the food they eat. Read some studies about it. All those carbs are too much to digest
Arnold's waist looks like a 28,, and his chest was genetically blue printed. The whole small waist big upper body, made him look so much bigger then 240... The legs weren't freaky stupid or over powering...What can I say, he had the mind of a sculptor...
the reason his legs were bad is because he couldn't squat right, with a small waist it is hard but he could still get the results doing it ass to grass like Platz on the smith machine, I have narrow hips and have brought my quads up, still got a lot to do on my calves
highvelocity123 they are way off, this is how proportional legs are both for mass and lean guys fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10358885_451440121678677_1297903421351803833_n.jpg?oh=4d21c3a0cca1202f0eeacabfee651a3d&oe=5552B4AD&__gda__=1431831239_acd354da8019b56ea00bdd2cee332198
Arnold is pure perfection. You know there is nothing above perfection. Thats what it is. Everything is in symmetry... just something to admire 3:55 look how athletic he looks while being a monster. I have no words. Thanks Arnie!
I love how he looks at 4:05-4:08... just so symmetrical and yet still athletic, despite his size... his naturally slim hips and narrow waist accentuate the look. This is what makes Arnie unique and superior to any other bodybuilder. He didn't just try to get as big as possible (like so many others), but, to sculpt the 'perfect' physique.
In the symmetry department Arnold had some issue, the foremost were his biceps(one very peak and not so long, and the other one longer and without peak), his lover part of ribcage, and also his triceps. But even with his defects(from a competition perspective) I still prefer his body shape.
Andrei Vlad I'm not familiar with your lingo, sounds like you've got a background in body building. Glad to see so many Arnold fans, he was my favorite action star of thee 80's.
Andrei Vlad When Arnie started, he was all about his biceps and had weak triceps, both peaks are visible in a back double bicep shot, but his most lacking part is his quads, Tom Platz had huge quads but he still had great lines in symmetry, I'm not being a troll but it's just how I think of it, as far as his rib cage goes, he would always attempt to expand his rib cage to have it company his chest growth and not have his abs bloated like bodybuilders now, as for his back, I really admire how it has perfect thickness as same as width, Flex Wheeler's back has more width and little thickness and just looks like shit
I believe that Ronnie Coleman 10 seconds into the video would destroy Phil heath or anybody in today's lineup. Not just was he a monster but his conditioning was off the charts as well. In his prime Big Ron was the most impressive bodybuilder I have ever seen.
Yep roids, but all of them were past the late 60's. What really diminished his physique in the later years and the sport as a whole is the GH use and resulting gut imbalances.
that's true; the first scene of Pumping Iron where Arnold and Columbo are getting classes with a ballet teacher may have been the key for him to look kinda gracious while posing, instead of looking robotic like Coleman
Everyone needs to stop talking shit about ronnie, yeah Arnold Schwarzenegger is more Aesthetic, and quit frankly i prefer aesthetics, my favorite bodybuilder is Frank Zane. But you gotta give ronnie coleman the credit he deserves, he looked absolutely incredible on this grand prix, flat tight stomach, thin tight waste, outrageously conditioned, he would annihilate Phil heath and kai green, and pretty much the bodybuilding world with that physique..
Yep. If arnold was born 25 years later, we would not look like he did back in the 70s. He would be on as much insulin and growth as the next man!. Both were absolute fantastic for their time.. Ronnie was supreme.
hGH is Human Growth Hormone. Good for tendon strength, bone growth, hair, skin, nails, etc -- it makes EVERYTHING in the body grow. Problem is, it ALSO makes your intestines grow, causing your gut to stick out.
Arnold the most successful person ever lived on this planet, won Mr. Olympia 7 times ,highest paid actor, and governor. noone can ever beat that. he is the god.
+Grant Wallace what does it has to do woth bodybuilding lol thats the point ppl call him the goat because he is famous movies politics etc. but actually the goats are frank zane and ronnie coleman proportions is the key word which arnold lacked
@@DouweEgbert If steroids keep getting better and better why did the 90s bodybuilders look better than today's bbs? The 90s guys were using the same crap Arnold was and to add to that some of the guys today are using the same stuff too.
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It;s very hard viewing this to be truly objective when it come to Arnie because of how iconic he was and how influential he was to bodybuilding and popular culture but that said, just in terms of who's physique I'd rather have..., well for me it's got to be Schwarzenegger hands down.
What happened to this ronnie? Look at that slim waist and aesthetic look. Arnold was right, today's bodybuilding is trash, roid guts, pregnant giants disgusting to look at..makes me puke
Darkknight123power i know but arnold dont use too much steroids before compare to modern bodybuilders today...and old school bodybuilders looks healthy than the modern bodybuilders...
bodybuilder means that this individual should reach the biggest muscles with about 3-4% bodyfat percentage , ronnie is like 20 kilos heavier than arnold and he has a lower bodyfat percentage
Bl4ckBull3t1 Arnold es el mejor culturista de todos los tiempos, por que antes no habia tantos suplementos como ahora, ahora los culturistas se inyectan anabolicos. testosterona, suplementos para definicion " de todo hay ahora " para mi arnold por que los de ahora son vacas con musculo, esa es mi opinion. Arnold el mejor entiendanlo, el se aburrio de competir temprano por eso tiene 7 Mr.Olimpia, Ronnie Coleman tiene muchisimo tiempo y consiguio 8 Mr.Olimpia eso lo hace el mejor de sus tiempos, no en el de Arnold, por que era insuperable en sus tiempos, como lo dije antes no habian suplementos como ahora.
Fun fact, not everyone can have 4 abs...no matter how hard they try. Everyones genetics are different, heck there are some people out there who can have only 2 abs, it doesnt decrease there strength its just different genetics.
Bodybuilding has evolved to this point since the 70s because the judges kept picking the bigger guys (yes Arnold falls into that category). Look at Ronnies pictures from 1991, great physique but nobody cared because he wan't big enough for the judges standards. Give the man the respect that he deserves!
I think Arnold only had 4 abs because his all time Super genetic chest that is longer from the clavicle down to the middle of his stomach. Look at his full rounded chest and how big it is from top to bottom and show me others who have it that length. That’s why he’s the best!
imagine how big arnold would have been if he was competing in this day and age when we have GH and better roids and creatine etc. etc. I'm convinced he would've been much bigger than most of the guys competing today
akamaster09 His chest was maxed out in development in terms of shape and size. The added muscle and weight would have came from his additional leg development if he were to put on more mass in those areas. He would have more thigh sweep and hamstring development with his already superior etched out detail, pushing his competitive weight to at-least 265 lbs, plus he did not have the HGH-insulin gut of today's bodybuilders-that extra weight also comes from their gut.
starforcefighter his chest is maxed out for the drugs he was using, but if he upped the dosage by introducing new drugs to his cycle than yes, his chest would be able to get bigger.
Ronnie Coleman..utterly outclass Arnie..in size and definition,had Ronnie been like this in arnies time..he would have ruled victorious in every category..massive respect to them both..both legends in their own time..
Arnie best chest in body building history and probably one of the very best balanced physiques of all time, right up there with Flex Wheeler Surge Nubret.
Ronnie is a product of today's bodybuilding world. Arnold was considered the most symmetrical and balanced body (of his time). Arnold paved the way for the beasts you see today in the sport. Of course there are/were bigger and even more defined muscle tone bodybuilders but Arnold's achievements for the time set the tone for the sport to come. Any sport like MLB or the NFL goes through similar such evolutions with the aid of technology and PEDs. Remember, the start of any sport begins with an interest, before it becomes a passion.
That would be Frank Zane not Arnold, most symmetrical. Arnold won because he was bigger and dryer than everyone else, which showed his muscle maturity. Drugs do not make you look like Ronnie Coleman genetics do and Arnold does not have the same genetic profile. Arnold's drive to make something of his life piggybacked his roots,bodybuilding, with him to stardom. we are all thankful for his singular focus and success.
Vincent Johnson To see what (somewhat) purely(?) genetics did for Ronnie, we must go back a few years before he was "Mr O". Already huge, having trained for years, he'd approached the point when further mass gains would be slow & small, (if at all), maintenance & refinement being the issue; yet Ron continued to get _much_ bigger. Genetics? Well, yes, but only in two senses: 1/Everyone juices, & everyone trains hard,so genetics win. 2/Different guys react differently to drugs. Ron was genetically well-suited to steroid HGH, and insulin.
I have known and trained with several competitive body builders and I managed a free weight gym. There were a least a dozen competitive bodybuilders and power liters training at the gym. People with great genetics really do not train as hard as people without. They do not have to. There is an air of truth to certain steroids work better with certain athletes. Arnold and Tom Platz did not take as much as the guys today. However the drugs worked better for them than others of there generation. Since they all took the same stuff. The thing people do not realize is that everyone has a maximum amount of muscle size on or off drugs. They just let people believe they can make continuous gains. That sells the sport. Dorian Yates would have continues to beat Ronnie if had did not have such a late start in the sport. He was not as put together but he had a better look on stage. There is no genetic accommodation for HgH or Insulin specific to Ron Coleman or any other person. These are naturally occurring substances in the human body and taking extra amounts allows a kind of enhancement of the muscle building process. I trained at a body-weight between 260-277 without drugs and not being a fat hog. With drugs I would have been 290-300 and had 20-25 pounds of more muscle. I do not have the structure to compete, so I did not take drugs. The last two things, 1) When you have weight trained for a very long time you can recruit more muscle fiber/contraction, so you can workout less but get the same results. You nervous systems adapts to the training giving you better results with less work. 2) Ronnie Coleman makes training videos for the public to see but he is not training like that all the time.
@@leart78 arnold used it to recover faster not just to grow. Body building was meant as an art form to create a perfect body by training since ronnie till now bodybuilders only care about getting bigger
@@leart78 steroids is just testosterone to reach higher testosterone levels and heal and (if you take much enough) grow faster it's not just "drugs" older people use it too on prescription of the doctor because when you get older you testosterone levels decrease and steroids helps it to stay at the same level. So if you use it properly on prescription it's fine, that's what happened in the 70's to recover faster etc. now a days bodybuilders lost the vision of the sport en abuses them and are taking a lot other shit that increases growth
Being the best body builder used to be about more than raw size. It used to be about proportion. Arnie at least still looked human at his prime unlike the guys we have at competitions nowadays.
undoubtedly Arnald Schwartzniger is a Legend of Body Builders, he has taken this Sport of Body Building to much higher Level just as Ali in Boxing and Pely in soccer did for their sports, hats off for him..we admire you Arnold
Hidden rule of youtube...Thy shalt not ever put together 2 completely opposite categories of the human body, that is the beautiful, healthy & MUSCULAR-looking bodies of the classic 70's, together with the unhealthy BLOATFISH-looking walking laboratories that urinate hGH and IGF-1 & sweat insulin while lactating bodies that also have empty scrotums of this generation of so-called bodies...keep the 2 categories seperate if at all possible! Thank you! Otherwise...EXCELLENT VIDEO & MUSIC!!! well done.
Nikolai Dantzler Arnold used steroids yes. Probably 1/20 of what modern bodybuilders use today. Arnold never used Human Growth Hormone it wasn't available at the time. HGH is a staple of the modern bodybuilder. Modern body builders use insulin as a way of tricking the muscle into getting bigger. Arnold and his buddies from the seventies most likely believed, like the rest of the population, that injecting insulin when you are not a diabetic is fucking crazy and would seriously harm your body. This video is trying to compare different times and attitudes that are to far apart. It is like comparing Buddy Holly with Guns and Roses.
Ronnie just looks like a mutant monster. Arnold at least still looks human. Arnold had the best bodybuilding physics ever. Today there's only monsters and bigger monsters. Arnold all the way
physiques like arnold in todays era dont make shit compared to these top bb nowadays. that era is dead and gone, nobody gives a shit about that crappy era. gorillas and monsters is what the general public wants. out with the old in with the new
