Best Motorcycle Battery? Lead-Acid v. AGM v. Gel v. Lithium

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It’s all about that chemistry, baby. We put the best motorcycle battery types through a series of practical tests and see what cranks and what tanks. [Details below]
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@uski 4 года назад

I'm an electronic engineer and I freak out every time I see a video like this... because most of them are full of crap. But not yours ! It's mostly technically accurate. I appreciate the research you've done, even if it's not 100% scientifically accurate, it definitely shows that you do your homework and provide meaningful videos for your subscribers. It gives you a lot of credibility. Thank you.

@ekemon631 2 года назад

thanks for your confirmation, really appreciated it.

@sayuas4293 2 года назад

I'm pretty sure he's an engineer as well, not sure what kind though.

@Ryan....... 2 года назад

What were the inaccuracies?

@uski 2 года назад

@@Ryan....... oof it's been years, but for instance, using a light bulb instead of a constant current load to determine the battery capacity. Since each battery technology has a different discharge curve, the actual load current will vary during the test. Same for the suicide test. It's mostly a nit, and not a big deal for this video, but it is indeed a less accurate methodology. There are cheap battery chargers (the type used for hobby RC flying for instance) that also have a capacity test, and that can do it properly with a constant current load, and a proper cutoff voltage for each technology. They will give you the actual capacity in mAh or Ah.

@wazza33racer 2 года назад

being truthful doesnt pay well..........Musk got rich simply by lying to people over and over again.

@benbagley6103 Год назад

I just replaced the AGM in my bike with a lithium of the same physical size. Got me 4 times the capacity, half the weight, and 2x the cranking amps. Pretty satisfied so far, especially since lithium prices have gone down since this video came out.

@2667ooo Год назад

When I went to lithium seller said hey this other battery has twice cca of one in your cart and still fits the space in your bike. I appreciated the suggestion as that seems like the shortfall of lithium. Still half the weight of previous agm. Thanks for reminding me to take off charger for winter(honestly didn't know that cold charging was an issue)

@Daniel-vu4qu Год назад

Have fun in winter lmfao

@benbagley6103 Год назад

@@Daniel-vu4qu luckily I don't store my bike outside in the snow

@yourwifesboyfriend6081 Год назад

@@Daniel-vu4quMine did pretty well over the winter. I store it outside and in the mornings I’d get my base layers on, go out and uncover it while turning the lights on and hazards, come back out a few minutes later and she would crank 2-4 times and fire up. Only tried down to 17F though

@KuntalGhosh 11 месяцев назад

i have not used a lithium in my bike yet but i did replace the battery in my ups with a home made 12ah 25.6v lifepo4 , i bought the cells and parts for 50$ and it has been 5 years it still holds 100% capacity not even a minute down. under a 300w load my ups would run for 45mins with it , that is similar runtime of 27ah leadacid battery that would cost 3x more . the only issue with cheap lifepo4 cells is that they are not made for high current pulse discharge , so not all cell types can be used as starter battery. for a starter battery the only lifepo4 that i would trust is the lithiumwerks anr26650m1b cells , these are 2.6ah cells but they can deliver 120amp for 10 seconds .. a pack with 4s2p of these cells would easily start a car. a bike is nothing for them but i would put 2 or 3 in parallel to get higher amp hour and watt hour. the leadacid 9ah is measured at a 20 hour discharge down to 10v with very low current. in reality they are more like 4-5ah . in the video the lithium shut off earlier because it has a bms that would prevent the battery from deep discharge and shut off the output if the voltage falls below 2.7v per call or 10.8v while the leadacid has no such protection so it will be discharged deep down to few volts and doing this 3 4 times will kill the battery , in my bike i use 7ah ups battery because they are like 9$ each and work fine for 4-5 years. much cheaper than 25$ "bike battery" , my 220cc bajaj pulsar takes around 18-20amps while cranking and the 7ah leadacid can deliver well above 40amps for few minutes.

@drfamiliar 4 года назад

This was great. May I suggest an air filter comparison next? For example OEM vs K&N vs Sprint P-08 vs MWR.

@balzarini51 4 года назад

PG 19 uni

@HalfdeadRider 4 года назад

Engineering Explained, but I'll tell you, they are better for performance, and still filter well enough. There are many different ones on the market but K&N have always been great, I now have a DNA filter and it is just as well made, pretty much the same.

@maximilianhoch2508 4 года назад

May I suggest a general comparison of air filter types?

@HalfdeadRider 4 года назад

@@maximilianhoch2508 Again Engineering Explained done a pretty decent vid on it, Ryan saw it too.

@imbackinthegame3611 4 года назад

BMC

@jpgiebl 4 года назад

Slight flaw in the charging test: As any electric bike/car owner will tell you, Li-ion is fast to charge from 0 to 80%. Above that they charge a lot slower.

@HandSolitude 3 года назад

Why would you need it above 80%?

@okcmoparguy724 3 года назад

He didnt use Li-ion, that's a lithium iron phosphate cell (LiFePO4). Less energy density than Li-ion but no danger of thermal events and 4000+ charge cycles.

@ThomMurphy 3 года назад

That charger charges Lithium with more Volts, less amps. Crappy test.

@Papparratzi 3 года назад

@@ThomMurphy yes, that’s just one of the huge flaws. Lithium’s charge the opposite of acid. Start high then low. The test also failed because it’s irrelevant to show the amp hours since the others weren’t likely to actually start a bike. Also, that’s a pathetically small lithium. The lfx 14 with 210 cca and 14 pbq or 4ah is superior. Additionally, the lithium’s will crank harder with a low battery and start better. The problem with the methodology is that it’s not based on reality, it’s based on things that don’t or are unlikely to apply.

@ThomMurphy 3 года назад

@@Papparratzi You're correct. Hopefully others will see the points you've made.

@ctm9191 5 лет назад

Fortnine notification? Why yes, I will drop what I'm doing!

@thomasbooska1448 4 года назад

just like we drop our bikes!

@nsr50rst 4 года назад

This is the most geeky motorcycle channel I've ever seen,and i love it.

@tadecker82 4 года назад

I used a 3D printer to build a ventilated "box", in which I was able to place TWO Lithium batteries, which were tied together. Then, I made a tray that drops inside it (over the tops of the batteries), where I can store stuff. The whole package perfectly fits in the space my stock battery occupied, while STILL weighing less.

@collinyan7467 Год назад

why two batteries instead of a bigger one?

@feloniousmonk3049 Год назад

Bad Idea to tie two lithium batteries together, especially during recharging.

@davidstuck2866 4 года назад

i was a professional motorcycle mechanic for over 35 years. i lived, eat, breathed etc.etc. motorcycles my entire life. i enjoy your videos very much. they are informative, for the most part no nonsense, and at times hilarious. i especially enjoyed (and side with you) on the Snell vs. DOT (garbage) helmet video, and this is another top quality informative video as well. keep up the good work!

@rocketsmall4547 Год назад

you eat motocycles? how u cook it? deep fry. stir fry steam. pressure cooker. slow cooker. on the grill? i want to eat some

@Lancaster604 5 лет назад

Oh god damn it. I JUST BOUGHT A BATTERY YESTERDAY AND THIS COMES OUT. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

@Nafresreom 4 года назад

Bute the real question is .... how much?

@MisterCheemf 4 года назад

Ehh I've never had issues with lead or lithium pick a flavor and go with it

@revhead9897 4 года назад

Same, I got a massive gel battery

@amalkallarackal9293 4 года назад

Same story here....

@kilroyishere6190 4 года назад

Its the same with cleaning out the garage or attic....

@axipher 5 лет назад

I'd actually recommend the Gel over the FLA in a motorcycle due to the slightly safer nature in the event of a crash or dropping a bike.

@waltermh111 4 года назад

I was thinking that the AGM was the best when you consider all of the points, but only because of price. It sounds like he said it was $45 while the Gel was over $100, and the AGM wasnt that much worse than the Gel if I remember correctly. Bang for the buck seems to go to AGM and it should be safe in case of a crash or drop also.

@XxseaboyxX 4 года назад

As someone with a narcoleptic bike, I went AGM. And watching this video, it was the correct choice. Don't need to worry about a spill when I take a spill and still pretty cheap. Plus I save 200g. Major difference with my DR650 (/s)

@kwakman99 4 года назад

Plus... no ugly drain tube poking out the bottom of the bike.

@ToolkiT73UK 4 года назад

Especially on an offroader like Ryan rides..

@rockarola55 4 года назад

@vic vapor Yeah, and my pappy had the burn scars to prove it.

@nickb9563 4 года назад

1:59: "why would anyone do that?" Two words ryan, *cafe racers*

@acvn-hg9gy 4 года назад

first thing i thought!

@cyriously_nick2191 4 года назад

Nick B the scrambler I’m building will need it to be mounted upside down! Silly Ryan forgot about us

@rockarola55 4 года назад

@@cyriously_nick2191 Well, as a former Cafe Racer builder (XLCR 1000 and '75 CB 750) I don't blame Ryan for forgetting Caf' builds...taking a perfectly functional bike and making it less fuctional is an exercise in futility. I love the look of a Caf' but try doing 1500km in a weekend and you'll be ready to trade it for a beat-to-shit UJM :-)

@jakeedgell591 4 года назад

@@rockarola55 it's not less functional, just a different function. You compromise comfort for agility and speed.

@rasulmalachidibirov7691 4 года назад

Jake Edgell you don’t really build cafe racer for speed do you ? I would say it’s more about style .

@6Twisted 4 года назад

I like my Lithium's for the 2.5kg saved from high in the chassis. They also last a lot longer than acid batteries that typically only last a few years. You just have to be mindful of their small capacity and warm them up in really cold weather.

@timconnors Год назад

I got 10 years out of my last AGM battery. For my use case, this video has helped confirm my last choice not to go LiIon. I did initially consider the total cost of ownership, but part of that cost calculation was knowing that my battery is not going to cause my bike to catch on fire.

@gbner9991 5 месяцев назад

@@timconnors enjoy the 3,5kg brick high up inside your bike

@thewatcher5271 5 месяцев назад

Lithium Iron Or Lithium Ion? I Think He Was Talking About Lithium Iron. There Is A Difference.@@timconnors

@anidiotinaracingcar4874 5 лет назад

Capacity test: I would have liked to see how many times each can *crank or start* an engine (take more electrons than lighting a bulb)

@JayJay-tr3ks 4 года назад

Because amount of energy it draws from the battery varies a lot which makes the test even more pointless than light bulb test.

@anidiotinaracingcar4874 4 года назад

Jay Jay No. Cranking an engine is a high amperage scenario and the Lithium battery could very well be able to deliver the same amount of energy as the others if the load was high enough. In other terms, the Li-ion isn't 9 Ah at all like they advertise but one might find the Pb batteries can deliver about 3 Ah when the load is substantial...making them pretty even

@imadecoy. 4 года назад

@@anidiotinaracingcar4874 Yes, but it's harder to test that accurately.

@bunbunson27 4 года назад

most motorcycle starters draw 70-100 amps. Best way to continously pull those amperage for consistent numbers is the same way Ebikes users do to test their battery capacity. They use a power inverter like a 1000w pure sine wave inverter and hook it up to something like a heat gun in the 900+w range. A 1000w inverter will draw up to 83 amps constant.

@sniglom 4 года назад

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps running the starter varies a lot, but having another big load, ~1kw @ 12v, and see how that changes with discharge would be really interesting. I've never forgot to turn my lights off, on the other hand, I've had batteries that didn't have the juice to crank the engine.

@MOTOTREK 3 года назад

Thanks again, Ryan

@Enonymouse_ 4 года назад

Never had an issue with Li-ion batteries and i've used them in winter where outside temps can drop to the 10's or less. I also didn't use Shorai which was often commented on as being the most susceptible to parasitic drains and dodgy warranty service. Feedback was from purchasers of the battery.

@mikecordeiro2602 3 года назад

It would be interesting to also know the expected longevity of each type of battery. Great video.

@DarkIzo 5 лет назад

ryan "batteryboi" f9 uploaded alriiiiight

@ericshaw7859 3 года назад

I went from lead acid to Lithium in my previous motorcycle (I never should have sold it with that battery in it). The best advantage was weight and size. I ended up with over half of my battery tray for space for extra tools. I felt extra tools or supplies was by far worth the extra money, especially when on the side of a low traffic road.

@FARLANDER762 6 месяцев назад

I accidentally started a turbo-prop engine once with a wrench across the start leads. Smoked (literally) both massive 24V batteries and the aux cart. Caution is advised...

@user-kw1kc2bc9c 4 года назад

Man, this is the best channel on RU-vid about motorcycles ever!!! Thank you for the great job👍👍👍

@LukePighetti 4 года назад

Really great video. Just wanted to mention that Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePo4) batteries have a unique chemistry compared to the average Lithium Polymer (LiPo) batteries and this typically results in failures not being explosive. I'm not sure if it changes the low temperature charging issue, but my recollection is that it improves it compared to common lithium chemistries.

@halnwheels 4 года назад

I found this pretty interesting. I have always been partial to AGM batteries, but I got a $38 conventional battery for my 1998 H-D Sportster and I'm into my second season with it and it's holding up great. It stayed in the unheated garage this winter in the New York City area with a ride on it whenever there was a descent day with no salt residue on the road. It's carbureted so sometimes it takes a bit of cranking if it's sat for awhile. I don't take the battery out (a royal pain) and there's no electricity in the garage. The battery takes the cranking no problem and starts up. On the other hand, an old simple bike like this has no parasitic drain either. I was looking into Lithium batteries for my 2003 H-D Ultra Classic and found 14AH batteries for (gasp) $300! These are the ones listed for the bike which comes stock with a 28AH conventional battery. Being Fuel Injected, it starts virtually on the first compression stroke. However there's a good amount of parasitic drain like any modern vehicle. There's the security system, memory for the audio and trip functions. Now, here's the thing about how a 14AH Lithium battery would work. The bike starts instantly, and the battery is capable of taking as high current load. This is how those car jumpers work. But if you leave your radio on and you have those colorful show-off lights, that 14AH is going to go fast. And on an older bike it's not going to take too much cranking. For $300, I don't get it. Now for the guys and gals who zip around on bikes with sliders and such, I get that you're concerned about going down and what a mess conventional battery might make. AGM takes care of that. But the thing that bothers me most about Lithium is the fire potential. I have experience with LiPo batteries and I know that a lot of people charge them in Ammo Boxes because of the fire hazard. I know the chemistry of Lithium Iron is different than Lithium Ion or Lithium Polymer, but it has very similar fire potential. By the way, early Lithium batteries had a 1C rating which means that you don't want to pump more than the rated AH into it per hour. But a lot of advances have been made in that regard and I've seen 10C charge rating on some batteries. That means you can charge at 140 Amps (at 12v) into these. That little battery tender charger is not going to cut it. Also, why do you need a special charger for Lithium? I ask this because the vehicle it's in is not designed for it. I thought there is special circuitry buried in the case that manages the peculiarities of Lithium charging.

@dcyphyr 2 года назад

TLDR

@Faetter-Blobs-Filmbiks Год назад

Cool story bro

@halnwheels Год назад

@@Faetter-Blobs-Filmbiks Thanks. By the way, I just came back from a ride on my Sportster. The bike started right up after sitting for weeks. And it has the same battery I wrote about 2 years ago. I have electric in the garage now so it’s been on a tender and I’m sure that helps. Have a great riding season!

@davnape14 3 года назад

The production value and the dedication put into these videos are the reason I watch these even though I don’t own a bike. Good job, keep it up :)

@humbertorequenadelarosa726 2 года назад

Not the first time I find a comment like this in this guy's videos. It's really funny how people who don't own motorcycles watch him for his, lest's say "cinematic quality" xD

@davnape14 2 года назад

@@humbertorequenadelarosa726 okay, instead of "cinematic quality", call it "i find it really entertaining"

@thamomentum 4 года назад

By far one of the best motorcycle channels on RU-vid. Your testing concept is extremely helpful. Thanks fortnine team

@as242006 4 года назад

I go with lithium ion now. I have a an 09 Speed triple. These bikes are notorious for charging/ starting issues. I store my bike outside. I go through a battery a year normally, prior to using a lithium ion. Even though the lithium is more pricey it should last me much longer with prolonged periods of “storage”. So far the battery works great and my bike always starts up. Better than ever actually.

@rookpl7877 5 лет назад

Entertaining and informative as always, thumbs up! Could you make a temperature comparison between black and white helmets?

@Briefcase217 4 года назад

YES, Please do this!

@angelocardoc 4 года назад

And a comparison on helmet venting. Best vent, IMO, is opening the visor. Tiny vent holes do squat.

@balzarini51 4 года назад

About one degree either way blk vrs wht

@rookpl7877 4 года назад

@@balzarini51 Did you check that yourself in comparable environment and trustworthy thermometer? I know there are few videos on youtube about this, but I'm sceptical on parts of their metodology.

@balzarini51 4 года назад

Rook PL that’s just what I heard from my hjc rep at work who stock our helmets, Hess been doing it for 20 years

@TheUTVOverlander 4 года назад

This is spot on from a principal standpoint and great info. Having been in the battery industry 20 years I’d just impress upon you that there are good options (better than what was tested) in all categories but gel. There’s solid flooded, a little better lithium, and light years better agm out there. Such a great vid.

@168knk 4 года назад

I'm in the UK and have to say your vids are awsome! So keep it up. 👍👍👍

@skyusable 4 года назад

As a former ZLA employee I will say it again.(this time publically lol). You guys just keep taking this to another level. Great way to educate your customers, build loyalty and create community. high five!

@Hornet.919 5 лет назад

Just last night I was looking into batteries and now I see this. God bless you F9

@DonnDIY 4 года назад

Very scientific and informative. Thoroughly enjoyed it and learned a lot. Cheers for the videos!

@matiasedward507 2 года назад

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@abramdrake4510 2 года назад

@Matias Edward Instablaster :)

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@Abram Drake Thanks for your reply. I found the site thru google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will reply here later with my results.

@matiasedward507 2 года назад

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@abramdrake4510 2 года назад

@Matias Edward Happy to help =)

@N3xt0_o 4 года назад

Always a lot of effort you put in your videos is also the reason for me watching them, creative demonstration with graphs in the end, nice work. Thanks for your precision. :D

@mrfreddyfudpucker2185 4 года назад

Greetings from Tasmania, Australia where the outro video came from (HEC=Hydro Electric Commission/Corporation). SLA/Gel seems most popular here.

@chriswilliams1914 4 года назад

What about high temp performance for your friends to the south? It's going to be 113F (45C) today.

@tasneemkhandaker 3 года назад

One note about lithium batteries: The "emptier" they are, the faster they charge. As a Li battery charges it starts charging slower near the top of it's capacity. The slowdown is most noticeable after 80%. (If I am not mistaken)

@purecuIt 4 года назад

This was very informative and well shot! I ride with AGM and have been thinking about Lithium batteries

@waynethompson2614 4 года назад

As usual Great video! I just learned more about batteries than I have spending years combing the internet for info. Thanks again Ryan.

@GandalftheWh1te 4 года назад

Man, I love these types of videos.

@hawgietonight 4 года назад

Hi, maybe I can explain the slow charge for Lithium bateries. Was many years ago an electronic designer and was tasked with designing a charger for the batteries used in those fancy hospital beds. Short story is that lead batteries are charged with a constant current system, while Ni-Cd for example (probably Lithium too) used a constant voltage approach. A constant voltage approach means that there is gradually less current suplied when the target charge level is reached. With constant current it is giving it all the beans untill it tops off, which is faster but only the tough lead acid batteries could take reliably. I didn't get any of the prototypes sent back so they must have worked ok.

@BigUriel 3 года назад

In a car or motorcycle the battery ends up being charged at constant voltage anyway doesn't it? The alternator/regulator maintains a pretty constant voltage and it will just throw as many amps at the battery as it can take, which will be a lot right after cranking but it will only take a few seconds to drop off as it shouldn't take more than some 30 seconds to charge it back up to full capacity from one crank.

@hawgietonight 3 года назад

@@BigUriel Depends on each vehicle and it's designed system but the alternator is going to be the limit on how many amps are fed into the regulator and the battery. On ex VFR750 it used a basic zener shunt from a three fase ac alternator, and the rating for the zeners where about 2v over the nominal battery voltage... that meant the the battery was given no current limit while under its nominal voltage. The regulator design is quite crappy and didn't maintain a very stable voltage, but for an old school carbed engine it was good enough. And it was ok for lead acid that could take that beating. I don't know how a lithium battery would fair in that system. Modern bikes are another story, but in the end are designed for a given battery type and charging scheme.

@BigUriel 3 года назад

@@hawgietonight Yes older older bikes had some crappy electronics, I know Hondas used a very simple regulator circuit that actually didn't provide constant voltage at all but instead only put out like 12V at idle which climbed to around 15V at around 4-5000rpm then levelled out. Lithium batteries would not like this at all (even for lead acid ones it's a terrible charging method that guarantees your battery will be overcharged and have a shortened lifespan during normal road riding, but will not be properly charged and will go flat if you spend too much time in traffic with your lights on). But cars and modern bikes all put out a pretty constant 14-14.5V in all conditions, in which case except for cars with a battery controller (which needs to be programmed for the characteristics of the battery fitted) the charging circuit will just pump out as much current as it can deliver as soon as the engine fires up. Modern cars typically have alternators around 2KW so for a few seconds after starting the engine the battery is being charged with well over 100 amps, which decrease gradually as the battery voltage increases. I think modern bikes are around a quarter of that.

@JustTheFacts2 4 года назад

Very nice breakdown between the types. Personally, I went with gel in my '09 Sportster and it worked well in Minnesota and Maryland winters (use, not storage).

@armyofshea7941 4 года назад

Genius. Love the taps playing in the Suicide test

@MarcGXE95 4 года назад

4 years back I replaced my 2009 R1200GSA battery for a Antygravity ATX 12-24 (what they claim 720CCA), the largest they had I could fit in the space! (Replacing also the legacy relays that were draining) Love it and even boosted a freinds F250 diesel on a cold spring evening!

@twotiretirade4624 4 года назад

The science was beyond my limited brain capacity but I enjoyed it anyway. I cant compute how FortNine made this entertaining. I am a smarter two wheeled enthusiast for watching!!!

@sumporfuk 4 года назад

Extremely informative once again. Bravo Ryan, bravo. Yet another display of why your channel stands head and shoulders against the rest. There are trade offs and compromises to be had with every choice. Forgoing capacity I for one have settled upon Lithium as my weapon of choice. Coming to grips with having minimal use while the engine is off is the pill I chose to swallow but higher CCA and weight reduction are of greater value on a beastie GSA. Hell, dropping a few kilos on the 500 EXC ain’t bad either 😝 Rock on Ryan, rock on 🤘

@oxfood 3 года назад

Great episode. I've had two Shorai's (two different motorcycles: Ducati 900SS and KTM 690 Enduro R) and an EarthX Lithium and had horrible luck with the Shorai's. Both lasted less than two years, both were charged with the dedicated Shorai chargers. The Earth X lasted 3 years and is still going, and I've just used cheapo tenders on it.

@motoryzen 5 лет назад

revzilla uploads the last Highside/lowside video until September 2019 and I get a notification for a Fortnine video. xD Good day today.

@WALLPAP3R 5 лет назад

This video charged me up but then left me drained.

@bailey9r 5 лет назад

At least he gave insight as to how to regen you!

@dhrubabagchi5099 4 года назад

Hope you are not in southern hemisphere winter, it will then take a while to tickle you up again.

@johnalogue9832 4 года назад

I'm shocked you got away with this joke

@davidjames1684 4 года назад

That is fine, as long as you don't get caught self discharging.

@JohnErikjohansson 4 года назад

TRUE

@patc9102 2 года назад

Wow. First time watching one of your videos. Was looking for plain info and got so much more.

@antnyneveruploads 4 года назад

This is one of the best channels on RU-vid, not just for motorcycle stuff but in general

@christophersparkman 4 года назад

I have a couple Shorai batteries. Love them!

@ChromeArty 4 года назад

The fact you said "posthumously" with the trumpets... was amazing. I see someone else has watched too many war docs 😁

@corujariousa 4 года назад

Your tech test videos are very interesting. Thanks and keep them coming.

@Spriterom 4 года назад

Awesome dude, great job and 2 months of commitment to the test...

@ZaeroS182 5 лет назад

YES!! FortNine's content keeps getting better each video, keep it up guys!

@savejeff15 5 лет назад

Usually, i find your videos very well researched but here i have some point of criticism: - cranking happens at a rate of 50A and more. at these high currents, there is a significant difference between lithium and lead batteries - lithium batteries have around 10 times more charge/discharge cycles. - considering that you do not need a charge for your lithium batteries, you can save that money buying one instead of a charger and a lead batterie the right conclusion IMHO would be: for offroad and cold climate riding lithium has disadvantages. if you are living in Europe or middle America there are some notable advantages to lithium. lithium batteries might last much longer before needing replacement in these milder climates. last but not least in race applications weight reduction is very important. reducing the weight of your bike by 2-3kg is a no-brainer for around 50-100$ more.

@swagger897 5 лет назад

Agreed. And I'd be interested to see a test comparison between different brands of Li batteries because of how maintenance free they are and performance they put out. If I'm paying as much as I am for an Li battery to not have to add acid/water/etc for other batteries, I'm fine with that so long as it's starting up every time with normal use. And even when it gets garaged for weeks/months, it's nice to know that I didn't need a tender on it and waste power when it stores it just fine.

@folxam 5 лет назад

Well, "Europe" is a broad term. I live in a pretty cold climate in the winter, with temps dropping to -20 Celsius which is around zero of the freedom units. My AGM is a bit moody when it's that cold, I wonder how a lithium battery would feel?

@Jin-Ro 5 лет назад

@@folxam Not had a problem with my Lithium and storage. Mind you, it only gets to around -6ish around here. Cranks the bike and starts it no problem when it finally gets up to 2c, my minimum riding temp

@HalfdeadRider 5 лет назад

My lead acid and my lithium both have 180 cca, if you store your battery over winter and want to keep an alarm on on your bike for instance, you will need a charger. And a proper lithium one if you want the cores balanced correctly to prolong life, with Shorai they have an extra plug on their chargers/batteries, that means Shorai chargers only to balance the cores. I got a Shido, with these types you need a charger like the TecMate OptiMate Lithium 0.8A Battery Optimiser. They cost more than the battery itself, my battery cost around £45 for my ER6f (Ninja 650r). It's good to charge them with the correct charger occasionally to balance the cores as the bikes charging system will not, just as a normal trickle charger will not.

@folxam 5 лет назад

@@Jin-Ro storage?! Nah, I ride all year round, rain sleet or snow.

@attorneygleech 4 года назад

Always informative and smart. Thanks for the entertainment and the info. Helped me make a decision for my next battery.

@Cs4lifeNameless 4 года назад

This guy is amazing, I dont even own a motorcycle but I wached every video. Keep up the good work !

@michaelvachon1334 3 года назад

"...because Canada..." Love it! Yet another insightful analysis. Thanks for confirming my disdain for expensive acronyms...

@ashleynunes9662 4 года назад

A man was arrested last night for drinking battery acid, he was later charged

@Buckarooskiczek 3 года назад

Obviously a case of voltage fraud.

@kkhalifah1019 3 года назад

That's shocking. Watt was his name?

@TR863S 3 года назад

Gale Bolt.

@temperspace 3 года назад

Police reports that he offered some resistance during the arrest

@Oilcruzer 3 года назад

When asked where he was taught to drink battery acid, he said from his mom as he was Ohm Schooled.

@raypearson4475 4 года назад

This guy!!! My sides ache! Keep it up sir, once again another great and informative video!

@cohall46 4 года назад

Very interesting as usual - lots of research in what you have done - Thanks!

@darkwriter77 4 года назад

Until this, I was seriously considering a lithium battery. Now, I think I'll stick with AGM (or maybe gel). We don't really get much cold here in the Phoenix, AZ desert, but all the other negative aspects of Li make it harder to justify the much higher price tag. Thanks, F9!

@ttv2951 4 года назад

You missed a pun Ryan (one charger to fit them all 🙄) great video once again to dig under the marketing blurb, best ever ?.😎👍

@DrStephenVerdon 4 года назад

Brilliant Work as Usual. Always Appreciative...

@vector006 3 года назад

Just found this channel. Bravo on the editing and content... really well done

@arghyl 4 года назад

3:05 because Canada 😂🤣😂😭😂😂 need more one liners Ryan. Awesome video

@kfjfjfjewlsls 4 года назад

I think you should've tested a fast and heavy load, like starting a motorcycle :P

@chrisdowd1826 3 года назад

Brilliant. Taught a complete know-nothing me, which type to choose for my bike for my needs for where I live. Thank you.

@jakelong7756 4 года назад

"as in puberty some drop is normal" This may be the best youtube channel out there. Thanks for everything Ryan!

@mcamodell 4 года назад

Gel is a lot cheaper than you listed, matching AGM in most places I've looked. I think it's the clear winner from what you showed here.

@WestSussexBiker 5 лет назад

informative and interesting yet again. Ryan, you have just saved me pounds again not buying a Lithium battery. Sticking to the AGM.

@bailey9r 5 лет назад

But that will cost you lbs ;

@Fekillix 5 лет назад

@@bailey9r Take a shit before you ride and it equals out.

@exothermal.sprocket 4 года назад

@@Fekillix 5 pounds of it? That's not healthy.

@wobblysauce 4 года назад

@@exothermal.sprocket Might need more fibre in their diet.

@exothermal.sprocket 4 года назад

@@wobblysauce Too compacted. Get some celery, carrot, kale, and other fibrous stuff moving it through.

@peterhobbs7609 4 года назад

Brilliant video, finally someone is able to make it simple to understand, cheers F9

@danielrobey1759 4 года назад

The shorai battery in my klr is going on 6 years old. Most winters I leave it installed (Iowa winters) and it never misses a beat! The light weight is a huge plus too!!

@Lagggerengineering 4 года назад

EDIT: CORRECTION LIFEPO4 BATTERIES WILL EXPLODE IF PUNCTURED OR OVERCHARGED, HOWEVER THE DAMAGE DONE IS MUCH LOWER THAN LI-ION CELLS. I MISTOOK THE LIFEPO4 BATTERIES WITH LITHIUM GRAPHENE BASED ONES.

@frankz1125 4 года назад

Lies check this out.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RJ9P0Hc3F7g.html

@davidelliott5843 4 года назад

Graphene is not used in lithium batteries. Even Tesla are not that good.

@Lagggerengineering 4 года назад

@@davidelliott5843 hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-graphene-professional-12000mah-6s-15c-lipo-pack-w-xt90.html?___store=en_us Yeah they do. Just significantly more expensive so it makes no sense.

@dogphlap6749 4 года назад

Lithium-iron-phosphate (LiFePO₄) are lithium-ion cells (one of the safer flavors). There are many different types of Li-ion cells and as a general rule the safer ones have the lower energy density.

@johnklumpp7901 3 года назад

@@davidelliott5843 - News from year 2020: "The market for graphene batteries is predicted to reach $115 million by 2022!" Flat Screen television replaced CRT television and the lesson is that technology marches forward.

@thereecious 4 года назад

Can you do a video on trail braking and rev matching. Also tour thoughts on braking methods in respect to track and on road.

@shoobie 4 года назад

MCRider does very good videos on trail braking on his channel!

@JW02828 4 года назад

Great video. You had alot of real data that some companies like to stretch a bit.

@paachi 3 года назад

Ryan to the rescue as always. Good video mate 👍. My preference for Gel stays. No leaks and good performance through and through LiIons make good house batteries in deep discharge applications like charger packs and campers. But for simple reliability and economy the older chemistry still works..albeit with a significant weight penalty. I’d stay away from McDs for a couple of meals and lose that 2.5 kg weight myself

@clint_a_210 5 лет назад

You're like the motorcycling version of Bill Nye. I love it!

@dickflinghammer7643 5 лет назад

Except Ryan tells truth and hasn't sold his soul to pimp the lies to questionless idiots

@jamesmcgrath1952 5 лет назад

Clinton Atkins....What did FortNine ever do to you that you'd insult him like that?

@dickflinghammer7643 5 лет назад

@@jamesmcgrath1952 You misunderstand friend. Ryan is the man. Hands down the best in the biz. It is the bowtied buffoon who draws my ire. It was in response to the Ryan is the bill lie of motorcycling comment. A bowtie and a lab coat is a prop that paid shill pos wears well. Kiss the ring Billy-boy your times up.

@bailey9r 5 лет назад

@@dickflinghammer7643 I think ME was also responding to Clinton ;

@jamesmcgrath1952 5 лет назад

@@dickflinghammer7643 Sorry buddy, you misunderstand. My comment was meant for Mr. Atkins. I've clarified my comment.

@oskarnordqvist 5 лет назад

You are the shit! I already know i will love your videos before i watch them. Keep up the amazing work!

@johnmcqueen7963 4 года назад

Awesome video, very helpful! Well done

@user-yq3fv4ti6q 3 года назад

Very informative and interesting. You answered all my questions of which battery should i choose.

@ThisTall 4 года назад

I LOVE these. 1 thing to consider when testing lithium against the rest is that your machine will always be built with a battery holster the size of the bigger battery. And you can rarely use the extra space so it’s almost fare to compare a lithium of the same size as the others. In that case it will certainly beat them all at everything.

@tylerhall6455 2 года назад

was thinking the same thing. Test a lithium battery the same dimensions of the others...

@thorin1045 Год назад

@@tylerhall6455 and pay triple or more price

@UnimpressedAussie 6 месяцев назад

would have been a more fair test :)@@tylerhall6455

@lj516 4 года назад

LiFePo4 WON'T COMBUST IF PIERCED. That's why it's used in this application :)

@MrLobsterity 3 года назад

Thats a boring battery

@GeneralElectricCNC 3 года назад

Thank You! I would have never guessed that outcome. I just bought a new AGM for my bike.

@gm7542 4 года назад

Ryan, always enjoy and look forward to your videos. I do miss your motorcycle review videos though. Hasn't it been a while?

@alisterroquer2899 4 года назад

Will I be responsible and watch the new fortnine video tomorrow instead of 6am? No, I don't think I will...

@ajsmotolife5641 4 года назад

AGM are super cheap on Ebay/Amazon. I've had really good luck with them, in fact they are usually cheaper than most lead acid. $25-35 for most bikes.

@pinkpuffin187 4 года назад

you got a good deal. I think my AGM that I got last year was about $120

@Wooley689 4 года назад

@@pinkpuffin187I just bought an AGM three months ago for my Road King, could not find a lead acid around here anymore in a pinch on a Saturday. It cost me $170 for the Duracell Ultra. Hope to find a Lead acid, last one lasted almost five years, the AGM wouldn't crank the bike after sitting a week. According to the MFG tag it was already 6 months on a shelf before I bought it.

@sayuas4293 2 года назад

Don't buy cheap chinese batteries, you are playing with fire, literally

@HRIservicesllcSturgeonBay 4 года назад

Great video, I live in Wisconsin, and I was looking at the comparison between lithium, and others for a motorcycle battery and this was very helpful. I presently keep a trickle charger on all my none use batteries through the winter, and see that lithium should not be charged below 32 F or boom, not good. I believe for now I will stick with AGM or Gel!

@matonmongo 4 года назад

Likewise, and yeah even here in hot AZ, desert temps can swing wildly to

@TheMotorcycleMuse 3 года назад

Good stuff Fortnine. I really liked that video 👍

@BOYVIRGO666 5 лет назад

Iv been thinking of buying one of these lithium batteries. In california they are fairly viable.

@lemster101 4 года назад

I have one in my Fireblade and am not going back to regular batteries ever again. I understand cost is an important factor for many, but the $80 or so difference between the batteries over its lifetime isn't that big of a deal to me. In return you get a shockingly light battery. Seriously, the first time I handled one, I thought it was a dummy. It's more than 4 times as light as a regular battery. You might not care about well over 2 kg weight savings of you ride a heavy, non sporty motorcycle, but if you have the latest supersport dressed up in carbon fiber, titanium and magnesium bits it's a bit silly to not go with the way lighter battery for not that much more.

@kleinbottled79 4 года назад

@@lemster101 Agreed. In the bicycle world weight weenies look at things in terms of grams saved per dollar. Don't have to go too far in upgrading a supersport before the weight savings of a lighter battery becomes the best upgrade for your dollar.

@AlexxZhulin 4 года назад

@@kleinbottled79 Yes. Even in R9 900gs battery is placed high and weight difference is noticeable. Try to strap 2 Coca-cola bottles to the top of your tank and see how it handles on low speed.

@DarkIzo 5 лет назад

i was planning to go to the cinema but screw that i found a better program

@alexanderi7332 3 года назад

Hhaha same 😆 but my gf wasn't happy

@algarvetrailridingtours 3 года назад

Love your vids well explained and you pitch these real world tests perfectly for the average money saving Joe. Awesome.

@opusdei51 2 года назад

Love all your vids!!! Keep them coming!

@VX300 4 года назад

Love the video, but I gotta say that with my bike going off road every so often, I'll stick with the more shock resistant AGM.

@nightdipper5178 3 года назад

Lithium works best because as you mentioned it provides more amps when cranking, this should have been tested. More power cranking the motor will start the bike quicker->less cranking time. Weight advantage is huge. Cold temps are the biggest issue with Lithium but It doesn't get cold where I live.

@yourwifesboyfriend6081 Год назад

It got down to 17F last winter where I am and my lithium battery did well. Just would go uncover it and turn the lights on, get the rest of my gear on then she’d fire up in a few cranks. Freed up space for a flat repair kit.

@nightdipper5178 8 месяцев назад

@notexpatjoe Your nuts, a motor draws current based on torque. It does not draw the same current when under load compared to no-loaded. A lithium battery will provide more current because of the way it discharges compared to a lead acid. In the real world a lithium battery starts every bike I have quicker than a new lead acid battery.

@nightdipper5178 8 месяцев назад

@notexpatjoe Unless you have a need I don't recommend a lithium battery. Due to the potential of a fire, another con would be bad performance in the cold. If your battery works very well you will likely not benefit from a lithium battery. Pro's would be weight and potentially higher cca. The slower the starter motor turns (underload) the more amps it will draw. I do run a Lithium in a sub 300 pound 650 SM thumper where I save pounds over the conventional battery, and it starts significantly better. I will occasionally use one to start a 2-stroke 1200 and other motors. I normally use a conventional batteries to start these. The lithium does a noticeably better job, but won't use them regularly on these motors because of the fire danger.

@Streamlines 4 года назад

Yeees, the video you teased and I've been waiting for :D

@bandogbone3265 4 года назад

Excellent info, excellent presentation! My solution, after experiencing several issues in this area, is: AGM in the bike, carry a Lithium jump starter (I have a Noco GB40, which can be charged on the bike via USB, but there are many others to choose from), practice push-starting in various settings (easier and safer than one might suppose, don't forget to change to a higher gear and turn on the key and run switch), frequently check your stator and rectifier/regulator (make sure voltage across the battery rises after you start the bike), and always plug in a trickle charger when the bike is parked at home (I have a Battery Tender). Also carry jumper cables on long trips (thinner wires with smaller clips suffice, make your own if necessary). Be aware that most bikes won't jump or push start if the battery has gone into deep discharge, so plan, prevent, and prepare accordingly.

@dariostarsky8124 2 года назад

AGM plus a jump starter/power bank - my thoughts exactly!

@jedielder7970 2 года назад

I like the lithium battery for smaller and lighter bikes, like my MX race bike. For a big cruiser, which I also have, I use gel. Thanks for the video!

@chrishart8548 2 года назад

The gel is worth the extra coin . I got a dynavolt gel battery it's blue and higher ah but the same size. Very happy so far. Feels like a solid block of plastic to handle its solid.

@LalondeJonathan 5 лет назад

Good video, by the way. Happy to have learned that lithium batteries have actually less capacity. A bummer, considering the high premium.

@savejeff15 5 лет назад

the high capacity of the old led acid batteries where only needed for the deficiencies of that type of batteries. led acid batteries with lower capacity have lower discharge current and while henceforth drop too much voltage to start your bike. lithium, on the other hand, can be only partly charged and they will have little problem putting out loads of current. last but not least: 2-3kg weight reduction is huge for racing bikes. also Lithium batteries have around 10 times more charge/discharge cycles. they should in theory last way longer than your standard batterie that has to be replaced every 4 or so years

@charliethechaplin 5 лет назад

I'm now regretting my purchase because I needed a battery with the most capacity so I bought the most amp hours (AH) WTF are we doing here with "equivalents" ....some straight up bullshit. No wonder my heated grips killed my brand new battery

@Stoney3K 5 лет назад

I think the major selling points for installing a Li battery is because they are considerably lighter and you can mount them wherever you want. Not a big concern if you want to replace a factory battery, but it can be a consideration for the custom bike crowd.

@charliethechaplin 5 лет назад

@@Stoney3K I wanted the most electrical capacity that can fit in my battery box, so I can run lights and heated gear. I feel lied to

@Angry-Lynx 5 лет назад

They are much more expensive because they are dedicsted for motorcycles. Check out lipo hardcase in rc hobby shops witu same or even better parameters for much less.

@guychapman7735 3 года назад

Ryan thanks for this great real world test. Would like to add, lithium battery has the best storage loss only without parasitic loss. With electronics sucking power during storage you had best hit it with a charger every other month or so. I left my Goldwing sit and the battery won't turn it over. Left the lithium rated automatic charger on for the winter(gets cold in New York too) and battery died completely. Just my observations. Great tip on waking up lithium battery! Keep up your great irreverent honest reviews!