my uncle fought in the Falklands he was a royal engineer and was tasked with demolishing Argentinian defences and mine fields . he said one of the main reasons we won was we had the semi auto FAL but the Argentinian forces had the full auto version and they would shoot full auto all the time from so far away the rounds would fly way above his head he said he felt confident enougth to just stand up while under fire because they couldn't hit the moon from 3ft away let alone hit a still target from 500 to 600ft . our boys are trained to be marksmen they would take time aiming shots . he was tasked with blowing up a weapon and ammo storage site but got a chance to piss about with some of the Argentinian weapons unloading a few mags into a hill on full auto he said the recoil and muzzle climb was Insane . another funny story he told me was his friend getting sent home because his mum jokingly asked him to bring a penguin back being the dumbass he is he tried to grab a penguin not realising they actually have really sharp beaks . the penguin sliced his arm open from elbow to wrist and cut so deep it severed the tendons in his arm . he got discharged because he could no longer hold a gun . another tail was he got called to rescue an Argentinian who had gone for a piss in the night and stumbled into the middle of a mine field. realising his mistake he sat down and waited till morning only to find out his position had been captured in the early hours of the morning and he was now surrounded by amused brits . my uncle had to clear a path through the minefield so he could get out and be captured
Reminds me of the Rhodesian bush war. The Rhodesians captured quite a few enemy AKs and noticed the range on the rear sight dialed to the max on most of them. Upon capturing an enemy fighter, they asked why they would do that, the answer being they didn't know what the range dial does and simply thought it would make the rifles shoot harder.
As an owner of a full automatic G3 and Fn Fal I can tell you they are both great guns. I have shot a M14 I don’t own one but they are very hard to control in full auto unlike the G3 an FN. The M14 is very accurate in semi though.
j'ai été tireur d'élite au concoure OTAN dans toute les disciplines le FN Fal remportait les 5 premières place ssouvent le M14 batail le G3 , quoique un tireur d'élite est tellement concentrer qu'il ne regarde pas , la concentration est épuisante, aujourd'hui le scar remporte tout le compétition OTAN et même civile , pour une foi un américain avoue que le AR 10 est Hollandait
A couple observations about the FAL. There are modernized versions of the FAL like the DSA SA58 IBC and IBR. Also, Imbel in Brazil used to make the MD97, a 5.56 version of the FAL and now make‘s the IA2, a hybrid between FAL and AR15
Out of the 3, the FAL is what I'd take. Specifically a STG58. The BREN is a nice light machinegun. But let me know how that's playing out when carrying it half a day.
I carried a Bren as a cadet on exercise during annual camp for two days, loved every minute of it! So much so I took every opportunity to carry one during the week. I was 14.
@@derfaschist9687 actually it is not more reliable, the gas system makes it less reliable than the roller delayed blowback, this also makes the G3 the more accurate of these rifles
Another thing to note about the FAL in particular, FN was working closely with the British to chamber it in an intermediate cartridge after they reviewed captured STG44 rifles in 8mm Kurz. But because of NATO agreement and the US refusing to step down from .30-06 / .308 chamberings, the FAL and G3 ended up using larger calibers then they were originally intended which increased recoil and weapon vibrations. Makes you wonder what could have been with a FAL / G3 in something like 6.5mm Swedish or .280 British.
if you rewind a bit to the days of CETME development, they were indeed looking at a 7.92x41CETME round that would have been incredibly interesting. but NATO swung the biggest stick.
For what they charge they'd better not disappoint. Hell for the money I've spent they should come by with women and beer every so often just as a thank you
@@RandomGuy9 we were talking about hk as a company, which is well known for over charging. As for the g3, you go find me a cheap one, and let me know where you found it lol
I have a DSA SA58, a PTR-91, and a Springfield M1A SOCOM 16. I like the PTR-91 the most but I'm sure you'll be happy with any of them, they're all fun to shoot.
The reason the FAL hasn't had any major dmr/sniper role is the inherent imprecision of it's locking system. The G3 and the M14 both have 2 contact points with the trunion (for the G3, it has 2 rollers and for the M14, 2 locking lugs) while the FAL only has one (on the back of the bolt where it locks into, right behind the magazine). This provides the G3 and the M14 a more reliable and consistent locking setup due to requiring 2 contact points to be "insinc" with one another instead of only requiring one. The consistency of the bolt lockup and consequently. the time the bolt carrier can start moving (G3)/the bolt carrier can start rotating the bolt (M14) affects the time the cartrige remains fully locked into the chamber as well as the exact horizontal location of the cartrige. The more reliable said locking system is, the smaller the diferences between each shot become, thus more accurate/precise (there's a diference between the two, but I don't care). There are upsides and downsides to each system, for example: The G3's roller delayed blowback is extremely simple (in terms of the number of actual moving parts) and is condusive to cheap and easy to manufacture recievers while also being the most potentially accurate operating system due to the small impact it leaves on the harmonics of the reciever when shot (mainting a stable barrel). The M14 and FAL on the other hand, are both gas operated which allows for finer tuning of the recoil impulse felt and are much cleaner operating systems (leaving all the gases in the gas tube), the difference between the two is that the M14 is more potentially accurate while the FAL is easier to clean and harder to induce mud and dirt into the locking recesses.
Good analysis, but don't forget the other drawback of the FAL as a precision/DMR weapon, namely its clam-shell receiver design, which made mounting a scope and holding a decent zero quite difficult. The British eventually came up with the 4x fixed power "Sight Unit, Infantry, Trilux" (only the British could come up with such a name!), and a solid mount at the rear of the receiver behind the cover - but by that time, the die was cast and the FAL wasn't known as a good sniping weapon. Eventually, the technical challenge was solved by DSA of the U.S.A., one of the world's existing makers of the rifles in the 21st century... but by that time, the world's militaries had moved on to other designs. Of the three designs, G3/FAL/M14, the M-14 is generally the most-accurate, thanks mostly to its superb trigger and iron sights, and the fact that the platform accepts an optic reasonably well. The U.S. Army used an accurized version with a scope as its standard issue sniper weapon during the Vietnam War, and Staff Sergeant Bert Waldron become the top-scoring sniper in U.S. military history using one until Navy SEAL CPO Chris Kyle broke his record in Iraq during the GWOT. G3s can be made into excellent precision weapons, once you dump a bunch of time and $ into fixing its drawbacks, such as the abysmal factory trigger, inadequate precision stock, poor ergonomics, etc. They are also notorious for destroying scopes, since their recoil impulse isn't friendly to optics, and until P-rails were fitted, you needed a special claw mount, too. Even those shifted under recoil until a lug was installed. But the Bundeswehr and other forces used them in Afghanistan with good results. The FN FAL comes in last for the reasons mentioned. It is too bad, really, because there's nothing wrong with the barrels on the rifles, which are capable of very fine accuracy. The factory iron sights, OEM trigger and the difficulty in using an optic hold it back. British forces in the Falklands War turned captured scoped FALs on their former owners to good effect, according to reports. The Argentines used German optics, and had apparently solved the shifting mount problem somehow. Maybe their snipers just re-zeroed after servicing their weapons... None of these Cold War-era weapons was ideal for use with an optic, since all came from an era in which optics on combat rifles were something of a rarity. Work-arounds and expedient solutions were found, but a modern platform such as the SR-25 is much easier to use thanks to its up-to-date ergonomics and other modern enhancements. Time marches on, right?
I bought a FAL a while back and finally got around to buying a G3 recently since one came up for sale. Does anyone know where I can buy some furniture for it? It comes with the standard Green ones from the 60's and 70's but I want to also attack a bipod and carry handle to it along with scope and one of those nice grips you see on a PSG1. I literally can't find it for sale anywhere tho
I carried the SLR (the improved UK version of FAL - reciprocating charging that folded on release and sand clearing cuts on the bolt carrier) for a few years before the L85 was issued - it wasnt as accurate as the later issued L85 but accurate enough - and unlike the L85, it was reliable in all conditions and things didnt break and fall off of it, and in my opinion it was a more solidly built than a G3 but with 1 weakness - the rear sights and optic mounting to the top slide, the largest thing I carried on the SLR was the humungous IWS image intensifier sight - it wasnt fun to hump around- the downfall is the rear sight is mounted on the butt, and it was common knowledge that breaking the weapon open to clean it risked a shift in zero slightly after reassembly - for this reason it was common practice during the lead up to shooting competitions for soldiers not to fully strip the SLR for cleaning but instead to clean as best you can without breaking the hinge open - the safety catch can also affect trigger pressure if fired left handed if your hand pushes up against it as you squeeze -
If I'm going to war and those with my options please please please give me the Fal. Mine's is so smooth shooting and is hard-hitting down range. I will take my FAL to war any day. Over any of my other rifles. I mean that and I have 39 other rifles.
My Uncle fought in the Rhodesian bush war as a Scout.He used and loved the FAL. My Dad loved the Bren gun when he used it during his National service in the British Army.
I own a G3 (well, a PTR-91 anyways, same difference), and have shot an FAL and M-14 a good bit, so I can at least form an opinion not based on video games or hearsay, and based on what I've experienced it's a tie between the FAL and G3. I like the looks, ergonomics and accuracy of the G3 above all else but the FAL is a gentler shooter, the RDB action of the G3 runs hot and kicks hard while the FAL gas system can be dialed down and makes it a lot more controllable, though it doesn't match up in the looks department, there's just something about the FAL's lines that I don't like, I can't pin it down specifically. I want to love the M14 and technically I do (I love _all_ guns equally, I don't discriminate😉) but it's definitely not going to win against guns like the G3 or FAL, the controllability and accuracy issues and lack of modularity are Debbie downers. It's a beautiful rifle though...
By the way, I had to lug the FN around as a cadet , on rare occasions we would be (with Australian Army supervision) allowed to shoot them at the range , I had no idea just how powerful they were until I had a chance to shoot something other than a paper target , they use to count the bullets to make sure we weren’t hoarding them, one day as a CSM I used my rank to take custody of a clip full of rounds unaccounted for , my RSM and I waited until everyone was gone, I shot at a tiled and concrete wall of an old shed , the rounds went straight through the wall, through the wall on the other side, through a porta-loo and then still had the velocity to go through several trees on the other side!!!!! Absolutely true story
A favourite of mine was the L1A1 SLR (Lithgow FN Fal) as I carried it in the Australian Army and owned a couple prior to the changes in law.... Field stripping and cleaning had an effect on the zero unlike the M14 (I had a Springfield Armory M1A) and the Heckler & Koch, but I found both the SLR and M1A both Wonderful!!
It hurts my head to think of all those Lithgow L1A1's going into the bin for destruction, have quite a few of these Lithgow SLR's in the US imported by Joy Poyer back in the 80's, Limited run of 200, beautiful rifles.
"They make good marksmans rifles" That's literally the only reason why it was made and selected over the FAL. Damn that colonel Studler. Imagine the G3/HK33 and FAL in 6.8SPC. That's essentially what would've been if it hadn't been for him.
Adoption rates answer this question clearly and decisively. The FAL. Anyone outside the U.S. or military service who says it was the G-3/HK-91 probably has never handled one, 91 ergos are horrible. The FALs iron sights sucked and the M-14 was A halfassed target rifle. Give me one of the three and tell me you are dropping in A conflict zone that decision will take less than half A second.
They froze on Friday, just like everything else up here in Canada… current owners are grandfathered. Have nots are have nots. No more selling or trading until a new proper government comes in and puts on a rerun of the ‘cancel the long gun registry’.
I think the reason why some are saying you sound like gerand thumb is because compared to your older vids you have been sounding more like him, like with the little pausing when talking type sound lol. Honestly i thought you were a new host or whatever for this channel for a minute lol, other than that though I still love your channel and have been watching since the beginning.
I have all three - all three of mine are Springfield Armory M1A ( M14 ) SAR 8 ( HK91 ) LICENSED - SAR 4800 - FAL ( LICENSED ) All run fine ! Buy what you want ! LOLOLOLOLOL
I'd choose G3 for durability alone. Look at middle eastern conflicts like the Iran Iraq war and lebanese crisis. FALs found themselves tossed for aks while aks were being tossed for G3s which had durability alongside range.
I served in vietnam war and the M-14 is the best battle rifle made. M-16 colt wad issued to all troops there . The bullet was to small for the jungle follage just bounce around. Lz X-ray pleiku.
FAL RIght Arm of the Free World only reason more countries used AKS is because the commies gave away mountains of them for free not because they were better.. the M14 is beautiful but not so happy if its covered in "terrain" the G3 is just clunky IMO action is too sharp on recoil and cocking too forceful. i wont say its bad. it clearly isnt a bad weapon. its just.. ugh.. and i have owned and operated all three FWIW of the three only the FAL has ANY PRAYER Of being operated on full auto with any control. ( which is to say slightly more than the almost none you get with the other two.)
G3 is one of the most robust battle rifle in the world. Easy to use, and very strong. As operators a trick we used to eliminate the lack of bolt catch is that we put two tracer rounds first so we changed mags as long as we saw the trace and one round was always in the chamber.
You're argument that because US adopted the m14 and not the FAL they developed the m16 sooner and spread the intermediate assault rifles in the battle rifle loving west is asinine. FAL was originally an intermediate cartridge assault rifle that the rest of NATO wanted. It was upcalibered to .308 due to American insistence that NATO adopts a full rifle cartridge. If not for the Americans the west would have modern assault rifles as a main infantry weapon from the early 50s.
I own them all. Let's face it 308 style battle rifles are Doritos. Ya just can't have One 🎉. My favorite is The FN-FAL 50.63. Tough, accurate, reliable and super ergonomic. All are good investments that only are always increase I value. Good video Brother Man
The FN FAL is hands down the ultimate culling equipment. Accurate. Powerful. Rugged. Reliable. High quality engineering. Man's best friend. May be a bit on the heavy side, but the weight helps keep the business end down when you click it over from ABC to fully fluent. The wood (beautiful feel and lookl stocks and furniture were ok, the bakelite furniture ok, but the synthetic ones really nice. The G3 i found to be a bit finicky and the mags a bit of a problem. More suited to golf course wars for the clean shaven suit and tie boys.
During my service, the G3A3 i was issued had the same age as me. Never jammed once and it had its fair share of dirt, dust etc. Accuracy-wise you could hit center target with iron sights form very long distances. I've handled a FAL and honestly liked the rifle, but I wouldn't trade my G3 for the world.
I've owned a G3. I didn't like it.. It was heavy, had a heavy trigger, the rifle was not terribly accurate, and the roller design made reloading .308 a non-option. I have friends who have M1A1s - and their complaint is that you have to put a lot of money into them, in order to make them accurate - or they can be finicky.. I now own an FAL ( my second one ) and - it's pure love. It's accurate ( my newest 18" rifle from DSA can shoot 1 MOA with 168 gr reloads ), it's reliable ( with metal magazines ), and while it does have some weight to it - it does come in lighter configurations. Thus, I am quite affectionate regarding the FAL. Second choice would be the G3, and 3rd would be the M1A1.
I like seeing other people's opinions. I've just started my collection a year ago or so. So I really only have a custom built AR15 and a couple of handguns. I like seeing why people come to their opinions regarding guns I consider purchasing.
Between these 7.62x51 Assault Rifles I would go for the G3 because you can get derivatives of the platform in 9mm MP5 5.56x45 HK33. Since you're from Canada this is simply comparing a G3 to a C1 SLR Canadian FN FAL
For me Fal .....as it is easier to load( compare to the far reach G3 charging handle ), and M14 is definitely not my choice as it has a lot of openings which mean higher chance for the ingress of dust and mud into the mechanism prone to malfunction...........
Great comparison. I do really love the fn fal a little more then the hk g3. The Belgian army did have an interesting dmr/sniper variant of the fn fal. They used their old . model 1949 scopes on them and made some small changes to the rifle.
I've got a DSA SA-58 IBR 18" with a chunky muzzle brake. Easily the nicest shooting battle rifle I've shot. Extremely controllable, flat shooting, little felt recoil. I love it. That being said, I grew up on an M16, so the magazine reload and bolt release ergonomics still feel just not quite right. Plus even with a fluted barrel and only an optic, she's HEAVY. But all that could be excused if it was accurate... which it isn't. 2 to 2.5" groups with regular M80 ball, and with match grade it's just touching 1.5" on a good day. But I love it and would take it over literally any other battle rifle.
Just a retired Army Grunt here, I own all the semi-auto rifles in your topic and I graduated from a school that used the M-21 rifle and ART scope. I love the M-14 platform but….I’d grab my FAL and feel confident that it won’t let me down. Reasons? The recoil impulse is a lot tamer and the adjustable gas regulator allows me to use any type of .308/7.62 ammo. For the 5.56 category, I’ll go with the AR-15 platform with an XM-177E2 carbine.
If I had my pick I would take a select fire, just to have the extra capability. I have fired a semi auto g3 several time, and have some time behind a full auto FAL and scar 17s. They where surprisingly controllable. And it's always nice to have more capability.
I've always thought one of the worst thoughts and things that could come to a person with such a fine collection of beautiful long arms is that a day will come when you may no longer possess the strength to wield such beauty. I cringe at the thought...
"I will show you the Mini-Mes" - Shows scaled down "battle rifles" "WHAT THE !@#$ MAN, NOT COOL, WHERE ARE MY BELTFEDS?!" - Flips table because he thought about Minimis instead
Seems like the FAL has the most optimal operation with the locking bolt on the last round. If you want to be practical, the FAL seems like the best choice but I see a lot of people love the G3. As much as I love the M14 and would definitely rely on it in the field, I have my eyes set on that nice German piece. Would like to shoot them first though.
My favorite is SIG SG 510-1 in 7.5x55. I also shot with G3, M14 and Galil all in 7.62x51, but nothing felt better than SG 510. Iron sights were great but once you put on a scope it turns into top notch DMR, was more acurate than H&K SR9. Only downside is that cases gets scratched after shooting, tehnically you can still handload them but I don't do that and i dont find ammo to be particularly expensive. Oh, and I almost forgot to add that the gun was only 735 USD.
I will add that commonwealth FALs had 30 rounder options technically. The L4 Bren had 30 round magazines that were 100% compatible with commonwealth pattern FALs. And they can be modified to work in other FALs as well.
These are the classic trio that got the most attention/financial success. The .308 Galil was more of a side product to the main 5.56 Galil, one that didn’t see much success.
FN FAL, G1 - FN FAL, Heckler & Koch G3, are assault riffles with big bullets, good stopping power, stable fire rate on semi & decent full auto, manageable recoil, decent accuracy, M-14 is the true battle rifle, very good stopping power, stable fire rate on semi but bad not full auto, more recoil then the M1, very accurate Both have good bayonets
On his website Larry Vickers lists the FAL has his favorite legacy main battle rifle but notes that the G3 is the most robust. In the weapon trials the US Picatinny Arsenal found that the G3 was the most reliable of all the battle rifles in mud and dust tests as well as it could be rebuilt more times than the FAL and the M14.
The G3 is so brutally tough and durable that it is even tougher and more-difficult to break than an AK47, and that's already an amazingly robust weapon. G3s were popular, according to military histories about that time, in various insurgencies and 'bush wars' in Africa in the 1960s-1970s, since many of the mercenaries and other untrained fighters didn't always perform cleaning and field maintenance as they ought to have done. And Africa is tough on equipment anyway, even when it is well cared for.
as a FAL Guy, I think the G3 is neat. I think the FAL is better, but If G3 guys and FAL guys can agree on one thing, its that the M14 is the worst of the 3 western battle rifles.
I've been fortunate enough to build two fal kits. A Brazilian imbel kit on a imbel gear logo and an stg58 kit on a gear logo also. The stg was my favorite and I wish I could get it back now.
