My man... As a Big Waterfowler for over 30yrs, I can honestly say great job on the video. Really well thought out... I've owned almost all of the top 3 Duck guns, Brownings, Binelli's, and Beretta's and shot basically everything else...I've also owned a few sets of Carlson's chokes.. However, you CANNOT judge these guns using aftermarket chokes, especially Binelli's and Beretta's...IMO the Crio-Choke System for Binelli's is second to none. Again, great job on the video but I feel all these Firearms need to be test fired using they're factory chokes as that's how they're designed. Cheers brother
I really appreciate all of your reviews, they are fantastic, and the best on RU-vid IMO This one felt too unscientific. If you shoot the same gun 3 times at a fresh target, you will see significant variances, especially in the area of pattern gaps & white space. The statistical variance in pellet stacking within the shell, load in the shell, aim point, air patterns, all effect a single shot. You should have shot twice, maybe the times at the same target. Sure it makes the pellet counting a real problem (and masks the gaps), but a multi shot average is much more representative of what a gun is really doing on target and with the overall pattern. The A400 being an example, sure the first shot was a little off target due to the sled but all of the attributes of the pattern were far better the second time. Just to test the theory, grab any gun and shoot 4 separate patterns, same load, same choke, same distance, ... Then compare four, take the best and worst examples and compare them for us. I think it will show all of us when we go out and pattern our guns, shoot multiple patterns to ensure you get the consistent repeatable picture.
Frozen semi auto torture test. Stoeger and Benelli handles broke. I beat my M3500 to death and when I saw that failure I got a titanium charging handle. No issues so far. Gun just seems to work. I really want to try a Winchester SX4 Hybrid in grey. Keep it up Steve, love all the shottys!
Lucky for you, i’ve hunted with the stoeger for about 4 years and it was reliable for the first two years, after that it was clicking and stove piping like crazy, even after thorough cleaning
Great review, I love these reviews! I don't have all those guns but have done a ton of pattern testing at 40 yards with 6 different shotguns, most of which you had in your review. I have only tried the factory chokes and the Pattern Master code black duck and goose, and classic long range chokes. I have also shot over 40 different types of shells, different size shot, speeds, brands and payloads. But these tests I mention about here were only steel shot. I have done tests on lead and Bismuth also but don't find the Pattern Master chokes working as well. The Pattern Master choke did much better across the board with steel shot but there were still large variations between the different shells shot in each and every shotgun! There were a lot of very impressive patterns with a lot of shells including the Federal Blue box number 2's that you were shooting!!! Anxious to see your next videos and thank you very much for all your videos!!!
@Target Focused Life I don't know if you read all replies or comments but are you awarding prizes to people who make comments by asking them to respond via a text message? Or is this a Scam?
Very cool but I agree with some people in the comments. You should use the same type of choke in all the guns but you should use the ones that come with the guns. Also not fair to shoot 1 of the guns twice just because you weren't happy with it. Each gun should be shot 3 times and use 2nd best pattern out of the three shots to give you some sort of average. Also is it better to pattern with a higher bb count shell? Just my input. I am making a new purchase after this season so I love all the info I can get. Was hoping to see the retay masai mara and the browning silver. Totally weird not seeing a remington in the mix. A remington 410 was the first shotgun I ever shot and was my first gun that I learned to shoot with. When I was old enough to purchase my first firearm it was a remington 878 automaster deluxe that was made in between 1959-1963. I have had it for well over 15 yrs and have used it every dove season, clay shooting and sometimes even crow hunting. I shot a 1187 for waterfowl around 10yrs with no real problems then retired it for a browning a5 that I have used for several years now but its getting retired after this season. Got a few contenders for my new gun. Cheaper options-CZ1012,stoeger 3m3000,rock island, Tristar. More expensive-Beretta a300 ultima, browning silver, franchi affinity3,weatherby element. Most expensive- Benelli sbe3, Beretta a400,retay masai mara,Browning maxusii wicked wing. So far I'm leaning towards franchi affinity3,weatherby element,browning silver, beretta a300 ultima or retay masai mara. Any info on any of these would be helpful. Sorry for the paragraph 😅
So I’ve done this same process with mine that’s actually in this list and didn’t do good…however bought boxes of multiple different brands, shot, size, loads and material in them…also bought multiple different chokes for it and at the end of the day I was able to find out what my gun shot the best with and what it shot the worst with what choke it liked at different ranges and now I have only 2 kinds of Ammo and two chokes…well worth $600 off Ammo and chokes to have confidence in my shot placement and pattern
Have you ever had a forcing cone of a barrel lengthened? I read that it prevents pellets from deforming and reduces recoil. Would be cool to see that. Another idea is 26 inch barrels vs 28 and 30
I would love to see @Target Focused Life do a video or talk about barrel length vs pattern. I am tired of hearing the argument that "the longer the barrel, the better the pattern" Would love to see a test done with the same model of gun (if possible), same choke, ammunition etc. 24 vs 26 vs 28 vs 30 inch
Great Video!!! I would like to see you include in a subsequent video the results of the Benelli Cordoba B.E.S.T, Montefeltro and M2. These test should be repeated with comparable stock chokes for the individual guns to make the comparison fair. The patterns may be closer to ideal than an aftermarket choke.
I have found that aftermarket choke tubes are not always the best when pattern testing. Maybe that's just me. But that's why when I pattern test a shot gun and it does well with factory tubes, I don't change it.
Because center of pattern point can vary depending on many factors like different chokes and ammunition being the most likely to have to/ want to change. I use a Burris Speed Bead with a red dot to be able to adjust the point of aim. It also helps if you are having problems mounting the shotgun incorrectly.
I think you should do a video about how to pattern. And maybe demo strate why. Like shoot the same gun/choke/ammo multiple time and count pellets. Then change one variable and repeat to show the need for sample size etc.
1) Redraw the cricle to the centre of the pattern not the POI 2)Shoot each gun at least 5 times (ideally more) and take an average 3) Repeat it with lots of different types of shells Only by doing the above would you get anything like a true picture of the 'the best and worst patterning shotgun'
Thanks for all you do! Thanks for saving me the time and Money. I am a Big Franchi - Benelli fan. My Franchi shoots just like yours did in the video, (High and a little to the left.) I miss a lot of ducks. I might have to re-think my shotgun choice, or practice more. Thanks again.
I do pattern test every 2nd year with the same shotgun I've used for hunting for around 25 years with different chokes. As with riffles some guns don´t like certain ammo and in my experience, cheap ammo is in general not good ammo. Maybe good for the wallet when you take it out of the store shelve, but in the end you will pay more due to lack of performance. I shoot minimum 5 shoots with each choke with the same ammo. As I've done this with the same gun for around 25 years, I think I've got a decent test result from many different manufacturer and surprisingly (or not) the result can even vary with the same brand two years later which can be in relations to changes made in the manufacturing process or other adjustment made by the producer. I've also done this for other shotgun I own and they show similar pattern, that is different gun can behave differently to different kind of ammo. If I compare the result with the price of each shoot to try to determine which brand give me the best result (best for the buck), then in general the result is has been almost the same all the time. That ammo which is little above the medium price range gives me the best result for the bucks. In most cases I eventually end up choosing what gives me the best result, not what it cost as the best result means less wounded birds and in my eyes that is the key for hunting.
Great video, however how do they do shooting all factory mod chokes, that came with the gun. This is more on how Carlson chokes perform in these guns. You did address this in the video, Everyone should shoot their guns with different ammos to find out what their gun prefers. I learned this years ago when patterning my SBE for turkey hunting. thru an extra full choke some turkey loads were very tight, some were open, some shot dead on and some off to the side using the same gun, and same choke. Great video!!
Good video but I'd say do it with the OEM mod chokes. I have Hella fancy chokes and honestly I've found the oem mod patterned the best in my super vinci.
@@benblazek3305 haven’t heard or read that anywhere. Only reason Being it can fracture the bismuth? Anyway, going into my 3rd season now using Boss in 12, 20 and 16 and with Patternmaster chokes in the 12 and 20 guns I’ve had no issues. I also keep all shot I find in my birds in a tin. And I’ve found one broken piece of Boss bismuth in a bird, and I believe it broke after hitting a bone as I found both pieces of the shot within the same hole.
Just curious - the Benelli guns, as well as others come with shim kits to adjust drop and cast. This will make a significant difference in point of impact. I have several Benellis (but not an SBE-III) and changed the shims from the way they came from the factory and got them all "dialed in" so they shoot where I expect. Was there any attempt to do this before testing.
Likely not. Additionally you pattern a shotgun properly by shooting different loads through it. Small sample sizes with the cheapest waterfowl ammo and with non factory chokes makes this objectively worthless.
Good video and review of patterns with the carlsons but would like to see it with stock modified chokes that come with the gun, understand that carlsons might be a sponsor but stock tubes are a true test of what your actually getting what you pay for
Just in my exp usually denser chokes like cremator extended range for example seems to usually pattern loads that are 1450 fps better than others but that's usually with #3s and go as big as #1s.
I would like to see how all the guns pattern with the stock modified, or full chokes. Maybe compare the stock chokes with the Carlson's or Patternmaster.
I think it's tricky since different guns may work better with the federal ammo being used? Would be a cool idea to turn this into a series where you pattern this set of shotguns with a different waterfowl load each video? I know it would be a lot of work but maybe your worst performing with this ammo could be a standout with say something like Kent Faststeel for example. Even if you just compared with different Federal ammos (not sure if you're sponsored and want to stick with only federals?). Also that charging handle on the M3500 is definitely concerning from the cold weather video, I LOST my charging handle of my M3000 mid duck hunt opening day a few years back and had to order a replacement but it was a nightmare trying to load.
This confirms my opinion on Benelli semi-autos...overrated and over priced shotguns. I have a couple of hunting partners that use them and when you pattern them from a rest, high and left is the norm. There could an exception, but this seems to be the norm. It might be perfectly fine if you normally "float" the duck/goose/pheasant, but I prefer a gun gun that shoots to POA.
I would like to see test like this with factory chokes. The wave of spending big money on aftermarket chokes is unnecessary in my opinion. I believe factory chokes work just fine in most applications.
Personally I haven’t had much chance to shoot most of the brownings, but I have shot the Benelli and the Mossberg, i personally own the stoeger, I can honestly agree with shooting clays and hunting with all the above that the results definitely sounds right along with what I experienced, definitely one of my favorite shotguns is the Benelli just felt great and dropped many a duck with, the stoeger is a great budget option I believe kinda that first shotgun kinda things along the lines with some other Mossberg , when I look to finally upgrade my shotgun it’ll definitely be looking into that 940 pro for sure
Patterning is important however I think one shot from each shotgun isn’t really a full picture of what each of them can do. I’m not saying you should do this, and I love your videos, but I do think several shots from each shotgun, with those averaged together would show more accurately how each shotgun patterns. Great channel, helped me choose an A400 as my next shotgun.
i just bought an A400 about a week ago and lemme tell ya it was the best purchase ive ever made. the gun shoots like a beauty. i use the factory choke and shoot 3 1/2in out of it and it feels like nothing. my buddy has a SBE and i really didnt like it all too much and my other buddy shoots a benelli M2 and its garbage. if ur debating on i say buy it.
I think you should have shoulder all those guns. The led sled was terrible it was all over the place. I liked the Mossberg 940 pro. I stick with my old Remington 1100 it does great.
Steve I have a mossberg 835 pump and they say that they put a overbore 10 GA barrel on it and it throws very even patterns.and you need to put a rem versa max and a vc 3 in your test to see how they rate good test anyway.oh and p.s the stog 3500 bolt handle got broke off cause some dumass froze it in water then beat on it with a hammer😂
What about where the center of the pattern is. I had a Remington 1187 that patterned tight enough but was centered too far, about one foot, to the right at 20 yards. I bought a set of Williams sites and put them on the vent rib. How hard are they to maintain? How quick to rust?
Is it a reasonable assumption that a certain brand shotshell will produce a repeatable pattern in a given shotgun? I’m new to this so I’m actually curious.
I'm pretty sure the stoegers handle broke off during the freeze video... I'm between a SB3 and Franchi. My budget better fits the franchi but if I'm patient for another couple months i can get the SB3.... Which would you recommend?
Great review, overbored tech was great with heavy lead ammo. It does not work with steel. Traditional bores seal the wad better! It’s hard to find barrels that haven’t been messed up by the manufacturers who only listen to their marketing dept! See if you can find an older .729 bore
.I need some help /opinion. I been shooting a benelli super nova the last 14 years. I bought a new Benelli sb3. I shoot the supernova really good but wanted a semi. Went duck hunting this morning and couldn’t hit Anything 1 duck. Does it take time adjusting to a new shotgun. Cause I’m really disjointed with my self at this point. Thanks in advance.
"Patterning" as you are describing it is an almost worthless exercise when the object of the game is a MOVING target. It's a two dimensional view of a three dimensional phenomenon (the shot cloud). The width of a pattern is partially a function of choke, which is affected by a number of variables, but the bore diameter of the barrel itself relative to the bore is a large factor. Lastly, different shotguns combined with different shells make for an almost infinite potential for patterns. If one desires to know if the choke he is hunting with "patterns" as it is supposed to (% pellets in a 30" circle at a given range), these tests will determine that. Just don't think the distribution of those pellets within that circle tells you much.
Great initial review, next must be with a 5 shot average and with copper plated bismuth, as some of these shotguns are premium and deserve the premium ammo. The 5 shot average will teach about manufacture variations and will help validate the possible luch of the one round average. You will be surprised. Great job with this initial test.
INTERESTING IF YOU SHOT TWO SHOTS OUT OF SAME GUN AT DIFFERENT TARGETS WOULD THE PATTERNS BE CONSISTENT??? REPEATABILITY AND CONSISTENCY ARE THE KEYS TO ACCURACY. THEN AGAIN IS IT THE SHELLS?
I think the main issue you have indirectly shown is the choice of chokes! Yes I know your pushing Carlson but hey your pattern testing guns so you should shoot manufacturers Modified for all test shots. Your pattern results prove Carlton’s chokes are not best performing in most of the guns
It seems a little off to me that you are judging a shotgun with someone else's choke in it. Who is to say it's not the choke. I'd like to see this test all with factory chokes, then you are judging the manufacturer more fairly.
Agreed. I’ve tried a kicks highflier in my M2 and carlsons Cremator midrange in my affinity 3 and both patterned horribly! Screw in the factory modified chokes in both guns and they patterned excellent. I actually threw the cremator in the swamp mid hunt because I made the mistake of not patterning it before hand!
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I appreciate this content, patterning is difficult to compare fairly and you have one of a precious few platforms where you can actually test it. I suspect the Beretta engineers have a portion of the customer base that are serious target shooters that actually pattern their guns and are held accountable about patterns more than most other manufacturers that have "good enough" patterns. If you make a video like this again I would love to see factory chokes, and other ammo run through these. I know how much work it is though I have done some rudimentary patterning myself and really appreciate additional information shared here.
Great videos! Really fun content. I would like to see a round two with a few tweaks to make it apples to apples, ie more scientific. Couple ideas to consider, you would want a much larger data set, at least 7+ shots per gun. Barrel length needs to be addressed. Greater attention to affixing and resetting the gun fixture and assuring starting position is the same on every shot. Laser for aiming should be used to standard aiming on target between all shots. I personally like that you standardized the choke across all platforms. Maybe add short discussion of pros and cons and address any risk that it could cause any of the platform to underperform. I would go as far as getting approval from each gun manufacturer's engineering team to use the choke in that gun and their input on expected performance.
Exactly! Use the factory choke in which the manufacturer did it's R&D with. I've owned the Browning. Berettas and Winchester . The Browning Invector is always wider and you have to choke down. I've spent hundreds on chokes and ammo to get the best patterns. It takes time and money and most of the time the factory chokes perform just as well as the magic chokes lol. Ammo choice is the key.
Yes! You seem to be saying "Buy a new shotgun and throw the factory choke away!" Well, lets see how the choke you actually bought works! I see the problem though.. my shotgun can shoot steel shot with the full choke.. and most just simply CAN'T DO IT. So lets see how they pattern lead because... pheasants.
I’m with you on Benelli.. I thought I was buying the best when I bought my SBE2 and I hated that thing until I sold it and still hate it. Now I bought the little brother Affinity and can really whack the birds with it. Just a better fit and it still hits high but I’m used to it
As others have said. If you change out the shim you will move the position of the rear site, your eye, in relation to the bead. Therefore, you will now have a different aim point. Changing the cast shim will move it left and right. That will change your point of impact to match point of aim. Now, how does that Franchi you didn't even mention look?! You can send it to me if you don't want it, please. Listen to Jerry at 8:25 on your Mossberg 940 pro video. Hint: Tape a straw to the top of your receiver. Close your eyes and mount the shotgun. Open your eyes. If you are looking down the straw and see your front bead your good. If you are looking above the straw add drop. If you are looking below the straw reduce drop or add a pad to add height to your stock if you have to. If you are looking left of the straw add more cast off. If you are looking right of the straw reduce cast off, if you are right handed. If your length of pull is way off you may be outside the ability of your shims to adjust correctly. bonus point - Don't freeze your shotguns.
Stoeger M3500 I have had nothing good things with it. Using the right chokes matter and I have no problem with point of impact or patterning being 7” off. For the value and performance you can’t Hardly beat the m3500 and i have handled/shot just about every gun on your list my man. Your testing is flawed.
Great video very entertaining, however your results are not the actual truth, since you are using relatively cheap ammo (very variable) if you were to shoot at 8 targets with the same gun you would of had 8 different patterns and percentages. There for you can’t put that on the gun but the ammo quality and variability. This is such a hard research to do in the first place, because of it being a shotgun it’s always going to be different, however having cheap ammo, only makes it harder so it’s not fair for those companies because even tho you said this is not the be all, to some viewers it is. Lastly let me be clear i am a big budget guy (didn’t roughed my feathers) I only have one shotgun and it happens to be the 940. It’s basic research rules, if you are comparing multiple things the reference point has to be the same, in this case more so and is not. If you are racing motorcycles and only buy the cheapest tires for the race, and one of the tires blows up you can’t say you are disappointed in the ducati because it gave you a flat, but impressed with the honda because it held great on the curve. Each tire is different because they are bad quality if you were to race 5 brands maybe each race you get one flat and it could always be a different bike that gets it, again because they are bad tires.
My franchi affinity 3.5 patterns better with factory than any other after market I’ve found out. Same with my sx4. I’ve noticed about the same pattern with a Carlson’s cremator choke modified with the sx4
Nice Review! Use the factory choke in which the manufacturer did it's R&D with. I've owned the Browning. Berettas, Benelli, Winchester, Fabarm and Kolar . The Browning Invector is always wider and you have to choke down. I've spent hundreds on chokes and ammo to get the best patterns. It takes time and money and most of the time the factory chokes perform just as well as the magic chokes lol. Ammo choice is the key.
Why not shoot the factory choke. Most people can barely afford the gun. My self I have never bought aftermarket choke. Would manufactures design a choke for there bore? I don’t think it’s a fair comparison using a aftermarket choke. Although I don’t own any of these guns I have been saving to purchase one. Was favoring the sx4 , I want gas for lowered recoil due to shoulder injuries. I am a fan of moss burg. Might look into the 940
I’d be interested in seeing them with the factory modified chokes. I have a beretta a400 extreme plus and the factory choke out shoots every other choke I’ve tried.
Does your beretta a400 extreme shoot high and left like the Benelli super black eagle 3? I considered buying a beretta but I want to make sure I buy a gun that shoots point of aim.
@@natehowell9695: I don’t have an owners manual. Haven’t bout the gun yet. Before I bought the gun I wanted to make sure it shoots point of aim. Don’t want to make a mistake like I did with the Benelli SBE3.The Benelli SBE3 I bought shot high and left. Made all kinds of adjustments. Still shooting a tad high and left. I finally gave up and put a red dot on it. Found out I have astigmatism. Lol. So I want a gun that shoots where the front bead is pointing.
@@virgildailey1970 They shoot pretty true to POI, now I will say as someone who shoots shotgun competitively and duck hunts a ton I actually prefer to have a gun that shoots a bit higher so I can see the bird when shooting at it.
Thanks for the additional reviews. Having done some testing on both my 12 and 20 ga Winchester SX4 I found almost dead even distribution of pellets in all 4 quadrants of the 30 inch circle. I did find flyers as well outside. I’ve also found that I have taken way more birds with a slightly tighter choke- example my 20 ga I typically do much better with a tighter choke. Even with steel, rather than use improved cylinder I seem to fare better with a modified. I just ordered a light mod and improved mod chokes to do some tested. Note: I shoot almost exclusively upland game so my point of aim is typically at the top of the head on the majority of birds.
@@lancebrown9567Carlsons work fine in my Tristan cobra. Though my gun likes the pattern master anaconda chokes better. The factory chokes pattern decently but the anacondas pattern the best with the duck loads I shoot through them.
Great video Steve! I think if you were going to do this again I would do it with the same ammo, same distance, but with the factory chokes and being as though it’s 40 yards I would throw in the factory full, I personally don’t shoot many at 40 but i do pattern all my guns at 40 to see what it does on paper. Great video! I have a SBE3 that shoots a 70/30 pattern. My maxus 2 shoots dead on lights out with factory modified chokes. Most factory chokes pattern pretty good nowadays as long as your not trying to stretch it past 40 JMO.
@@jamesgoober8335 you can shoot steel in alot of them as long as you stay 4 shot or smaller. With 2 shot id go with improved modified. A lot of companies offer a factory Im choke that you can purchase from them.
I love my massberg 835 pump mainly because the safety is on the stock of the gun right above your thumb. Only thing that is holding me back from the 940 is it being gas. I personally like the inertia guns more due to hunting in cold weather and watching many of my friends has guns freeze and not cycle.
@@OG_Ghost I still have that SBE II, I still like it and use it to hunt occasionally. But I also have Fabarm L4S that I love but couldn't shoot very well because it actually patterns correctly. I put a Eotech holographic sight on it. Sighted in where the pattern is 70/30 high when I'm aiming with the reticle. I'm a way better wing shooter with that sight. In fact, it's improved my shotgun shooting so much, that I don't know if I'll ever get another shotgun without being able to put another of the same type of sight on it also. I might try to put one on the SBE II, as well.
@@jayscott1380 appreciate the info! Will def look into it. I’ve been doing great with them SBE3 and I’m on point. It was the duck opener today in TX and I was 1 shy from a limit. But if this can help then it’s worth a deeper dive.
Great video! I like your pause to discuss that others should do this with their shotguns. I would like to see this done with their choke tubes rather than the after-market. Three to five shots from each would be neat to compare those results to see if they are consistent in the patterns. Again, Great Video!
I like that idea. On this wanted I wanted to have all the choke tubes the same so it would be more about the gun/barrel rather than the choke. 👊 Stay Target 🎯Focused (Hebrews 12:1-3)
@@TargetFocusedLife How can you say they are the same chokes when you have 0.720 on Browning and 0.702 on others, that's a huge difference and it shows in the results??
I would like to see you send a shotgun to a gunsmith and see if the upgrades they do really help. Rob Robert’s is the go to guy for waterfowl hunters, I got a affinity 3 that I had him do internal and external upgrades to. He does forcing cone lengthening, polishing, porting, etc. would love to see a review over that.
I love to do stuff like that but it's also a good way not to make any friends if I have less than stellar things to say. 👊 Stay Target 🎯Focused (Hebrews 12:1-3)
Your video is very well done, but your title says your testing for the best patterning shotgun. Shouldn’t that be based on the shotgun with its own factory choke. Your tests are actually testing the Carlson chokes. It’s the choke that forms the pattern.
I'd like to point out that there are differences in where the center of the pattern is, INTENTIONALLY, from the manufacturer. For the guns that shoot high, like the SBE, it is because of that. There's basically 3 main patterns, a 50/50, 60/40, and 70/30. The first number is percent of the pattern that is above the bead and the second number is what's below. I own a SBEII and can confidently say it is a 60/40, meaning it's going to shoot, at 40 yards, quite high. The point of this for hunting is better target identification and basically means you need to aim in line with the tail feathers of the bird. As for the right to left variances, I got no idea
Liked the video, bought an SBE3 when they came out, worst shooting gun i have owned. Sent it to benelli, changed the shims, couldn't get it to shoot lower. Now it sits in my safe, almost to a point mentally where i can get rid of it and not be angry about the money lost on it.
