Better Aircraft - Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO vs King Air 350i

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Hey guys welcome to a brand new video. Today we will be taking a look at 2 very interesting aircraft and comparing them! This will be our first comparison video where we compare a counter-rotating turboprop plane to a regular twin engine. Our first aircraft is the The Piaggio P.180 Avanti EVO which is one of the newer variants of the Piaggio P.180 aircraft. Next is the Beechcraft King Air 350i which is the newest variant of the proven successful King Air 350 aircraft.
The Piaggio P.180 Avanti is an Italian executive transport aircraft with twin turboprop engines mounted in pusher configuration. It seats up to nine people in a pressurized cabin and may be flown by one or two pilots. The design is of three-surface configuration, having both a small forward wing and a conventional tailplane, as well as its main wing, with the main wing passing behind the passenger cabin area. Avanti EVO blends the very best of Italian style, peerless craftsmanship, and intelligent thinking to create an aircraft that stands alone for its values. With greater range, faster climb, reduced fuel costs, a lower noise footprint, added safety systems, and a more luxurious cabin, Avanti EVO is yet another step forward. Along with that Piaggio has an innovative new maintenance program that can keep costs under control better than ever, and Avanti EVO stands alone for intelligence and elegance.
In October 2008, Beechcraft announced updated versions of the B300 series, the King Air 350i, with improvements to the passenger cabin. Beechcraft claims that the noise level and overall comfort of the King Air 350i are now competitive with those of light jets. On The official Beechcraft King Air webpage this is how they describe the aircraft Best of the Best. The Beechcraft® King Air® 350i surpasses its predecessor’s high-caliber performance with more payload capability and range, and a quieter interior with standard Wi-Fi. The King Air is the world’s most popular business turboprop aircraft - a title never simply granted, but earned again and again with continuous enhancement over five decades. The King Air 350i. True to its legacy of innovation. The King Air 350i has many configurations holding up to 11 passengers!
The flight deck of the King Air 350i features Collins Aerospace Pro Line Fusion Avionics Suite with full touch-screen simplicity. On the other hand the Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO has the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21
Piaggio Aerospace tasked propeller masters Hartzell with producing a new pusher for the EVO - a five-blade scimitar design in aluminum that not only makes it the world’s fastest production turboprop but also reduces cabin noise by 20%
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@kathyhartman4702 4 года назад

I fly An Avanti for my living. I also have many king air hours. The Avanti significantly outperforms any King Air. It easily makes its book cruise speeds, maximum altitude and fuel burn. Ours actually does a bit better than book. It is significantly quieter in the cabin and there is less vibration. Also the maximum cabin pressure is higher in the Avanti, providing a more comfortable cabin. The Piaggio needs more runway as it’s rotation and approach speeds are 15-20% higher. Both of these planes are wonderful machines, but I’ll take the Avanti and it’s great flying characteristic hands down. Capt. Richard Hartman

@Ant-ls2pr 4 года назад

Noise and vibration is quite high in a Kingair

@andreinarangel6227 4 года назад

Yeah but the banshee-like shrill of an Avanti on the ramp and during taxi is enough to drive animals away.

@AbsolutelyEverybody1 4 года назад

How fast is it (True Air Speed)?

@AbsolutelyEverybody1 4 года назад

@@MattLassota I did hear it can get to 400 knots (TAS) as well..

@o0OPioloO0o 4 года назад

Great words, anywhere I can find performance charts for the P180? Thanks in advance !

@timrusling1459 3 года назад

We have two Avantis at our local airport. Absolutely wonderful sound on approach, cruise and departure. Plane-spotting is fun again.

@R4TeT 3 года назад

Although hourly cost is similar, one would have to take in account that the P180 is 33% faster (or King 350 is 25% slower)... So at the end, operational costs of the Piaggio would be 25% less, or the King 350 33% more aprox.

@philiphurban9498 3 года назад

I’ll totally take the Avanti. It’s a beautiful plane. The other plane I would take is the Pilatus PC-12

@thisismagacountry1318 2 года назад

You said PC-12, But you meant PC-24 ;)

@philiphurban9498 2 года назад

@@thisismagacountry1318 No I meant the pc-12. It’s a turbo prop and the pc-24 is a jet

@thisismagacountry1318 2 года назад

@@philiphurban9498 I know, I was just trying to upgrade you.

@dothedishes3427 2 года назад

@@thisismagacountry1318 you guys are funny. I don't have the money yet, but after a wealthy man schooled me I would take a prop over a jet.

@superchargedpetrolhead 4 года назад

Piaggio didn't do as good a job of marketing the p180 as they did with design and engineering. That should have been a massive hit with its capability and jet like speed and i wish they update the evo with newer avionics...

@marlintheaviator 4 года назад

100% agreed. They did not market this aircraft much at all!

@Batdanceohio 4 года назад

Agreed. Either needs G3000 or Proline Fusion.

@curvs4me 2 года назад

It breaks my heart really. Such a beautiful brilliant aircraft yet Piaggio is in Receivership totally insolvent. Fortunately they are a SPA and Italy is great for holding businesses up as long as possible. They have updated the Evo according to the website. They would be wise to hire a cutthroat American PR Ad agency. Like you said, they have the product, all they have to do is market it. A more powerful engine option as well as a North American test flight trip around the country at an FBO near you would do wonders. Maybe Christian Bale could give it an unforgettable name as he did for the P51? "P51, Cadillac of the sky!" Say hi if you know the reference.

@Naija4K 2 года назад

With it’s speed and flight ceiling it’s main competition is jets. An when you compare it with jet aircraft in its class it loses. With range, payload, and landing versatility. King Air understood this and made their planes customizable for customers to add additional wing fuel tanks enable transatlantic flights without stopping in Greenland or Iceland. They pay attention to payload and increasing the number of passengers the aircraft can carry as to light business jets. This aircraft would need to increase range to 3000 miles, without sacrificing performance in order to compete with the light jet market. King air beats them on versatility and after market options to customize and improve performance according to end users specifications. These options do not exist for the EVO.

@dothedishes3427 2 года назад

@@Naija4K like most commenters on here I don't own a plane. But in my book it is the 180. Flying continental U.S. it meets my dreamed needs. You make valid points but for me, If I were to travel overseas I would rent / charter a jet that had full capacity to address that mission. But the 180 can get me my family and maybe a couple of friends anywhere in America I care to.

@TheKato1959 3 года назад

I’m in a time share with piaggio. Love this plane

@el_ayunista 3 года назад

How much does it cost per year? Im considering joining one, 170k for 50 hours.

@malcolmar 2 года назад

That Avanti EVO is a thing of beauty and is the hands-down winner in my book. Thanks.

@jojosmith1097 4 года назад

I flew right seat on a King Air C-90 so it was quite some time ago. Nothing like burning kerosene :) But given a choice, I would likely select the Piaggio. Those Italians know speed and performance.

@tonylam9548 Год назад

Not all of the Italians, try Tecnam, it is no faster than a 172 with similar power.

@jojosmith1097 Год назад

Performance Tecnam P2010 Maximum speed: 260 km/h (160 mph, 140 kn) Cruise speed: 237 km/h (147 mph, 128 kn) normal, at 65% power at 2,286 m (7,500 ft) Stall speed: 96 km/h (60 mph, 52 kn) flaps down Range: 1,222 km (759 mi, 660 nmi) Service ceiling: 4,572 m (15,000 ft) Rate of climb: 5.3 m/s (1,040 ft/min) maximum at sea level Performance C-172 Cruise speed: 122 kn (140 mph, 226 km/h) Stall speed: 47 kn (54 mph, 87 km/h) (power off, flaps down)[84] Never exceed speed: 163 kn (188 mph, 302 km/h) (IAS)[8] Range: 696 nmi (801 mi, 1,289 km) with 45 minute reserve, 55% power, at 12,000 feet (3,700 m) Service ceiling: 13,500 ft (4,100 m) Rate of climb: 721 ft/min (3.66 m/s) Wing loading: 14.1 lb/sq ft (68.6 kg/m2)@@tonylam9548

@rspilot73 3 года назад

two beautiful planes but the P180 is the best , I have flown for about 1000 hours, I assure you that it is really well done, it has Jet performance.

@familyguy6844 3 года назад

Seems like the Piagio is better in every way including price

@sunshinecycling 3 года назад

Mostly...except some complain of outdated avionics, poor braking/stopping, and I'm not sure how easy it is to source maintenance and parts. But definitely a sweet plane in looks and performance.

@robboinnz 3 года назад

I don't think it can go into unsealed strips either...

@loz9324 3 года назад

@@sunshinecycling something that looks like a spaceship deserves g3000 avionics

@skytrainii8933 2 года назад

The Piaggio is not better in every way. It is not better in sales or time to market. Those two things are probably more important than the slight margins it has in performance and price. The Beta max was better than VHS. But Sony Beta max lost to the VHS market. The Apple Mac OS is better than the PC Windows. But the PC has the lion's share of the market. Apple only has 12% of the market.

@LilleyAdam 2 года назад

It's almost as though the piagio outperforms the king sure because it's significantly lighter.

@antonyborlase3965 3 года назад

What I would love to see with these types of videos is a comparison circle. Say two colors, so you can clearly see which is better in between all the numbers being spoken.

@gerardhaubert8210 2 года назад

Would enjoy seeing a comparison of the Avanti EVO to the Pilates PC-12 NGX

@viarnay 3 года назад

The Piaggio is a clear winner but I still love the king Air too :- P

@77Avadon77 3 года назад

I agree the king air is like the classic love, but that Piaggio can really steal your heart 😅

@gerhardkutt1748 3 года назад

Great video. I like the piaggio p180

@marlintheaviator 3 года назад

Thanks!

@davidcoro27 4 года назад

Good video. Exactly the information needed. Which one has the best resales value after 10 years?

@classicraceruk1337 4 года назад

I have seen a P 180 one used to fly over my house several times a week. It’s beautiful aeroplane and has always been one of my favourites. It’s was quite low and still very quite. If I was in the market for either the King Air would have big shoes to fill. Would be great to have the pleasure of evaluating both these aeroplanes.

@jerrykorman7770 4 года назад

This was an interesting comparison Few remember the Beechcraft Starship that was introduced in the mid 1980’s as a replacement to the “obsolete” King Air. On paper it was superior to the King Air. Take a moment to look up the Starship

@marlintheaviator 4 года назад

I was considering comparing it to the Piaggio but it’s seems outdated in comparison. Maybe I’ll still compare them since they are both pusher aircraft

@jerrykorman7770 4 года назад

MarlinTheAviator it’s really a shame the Starship didn’t catch on. Not even sure if any are still in flying/airworthy condition

@marlintheaviator 4 года назад

There is at least 1 that is operational and privately owned.

@jerrykorman7770 4 года назад

MarlinTheAviator excellent

@kevinstiff8681 4 года назад

@@jerrykorman7770 I see one here flying overhead in Dallas Texas all the time

@raould860 Месяц назад

I got a P180 here in Kelowna BC, Canada that takes off once or twice a day... today it went over my house twice🙂 it sounds like no other

@petertimowreef9085 2 года назад

I used to live under the approaches to one of Schiphol's runways and the only piece of aviation knowledge I have from personal experience is how freaking loud Avantis are.

@P-CROZIER 3 года назад

Absolutely Beautiful Aircraft, both of them, flew all of the Beechcraft King Air Worldwide and they're extremely Reliable. But.. The Avanti was just Simply a really Fun Aircraft to fly, Fantastic Performance, TAS of 420 on the Piagio Evo. Plus extremely Quiet inside.

@birgerkagan6087 2 года назад

Seriously, TAS of 420 kts at FL410?

@P-CROZIER 2 года назад

@@birgerkagan6087 sorry, at FL 310 I should have Clarified that, my sincere apologies, thank you pointing it out.

@birgerkagan6087 2 года назад

@@P-CROZIER OK. Well, assuming ISA that would give you a M-no of 0,71 so let me ask you if that is in any way likely that ATS will allow you to fly at FL310 doing M.7 (=MMo) when everybody around you are doing M,8? that's an awful lot of airspace they need to reserve for you alone - as far as I remember same altitude/same track requires 10 minutes separation and since those cruising at M.8 catch up on you at the rate of 1 nm per minute it requires quite a bit of level change in order to maintain separation Also I find cruising at your airplanes MMo unusual?

@joncox9719 2 года назад

The Avanti any day! The King Air is basically a late 1950's design "Queen Air" which has been stretched and stretched and upgraded with turbine engines through the years! Still all the same wing bolt problems and still an old design!

@tonyshayne8629 3 года назад

Avante Maximus! Piaggio should come up with a plane called the Piaggio Avante Maximus! which would be 4 ft longer, 1 foot 4" wider and the interior cabin height would be 6 ft 1" this would accommodate a full size 6 ft sofa that underneath the knees would flip out about 8 in to make it a nice comfortable bed and this would accommodate a 18-in wide to 24 in wide galley food prep area which would include a microwave and refrigerator freezer compartment that would free up space in the cabin and they should sell it for $12,995,000 this would accommodate up to nine passengers including the lavatory seat. Make the engines 10 to 15% more efficient than the Avante Evo and make the cabin also about 10 to 15% quieter with an extended flight range of between 600 and 800 Miles over the Avante Evo. They also should make the ground clearance about 8" higher, that would give the plane a higher ground clearance and also make the plane look more substantial - taller and more competitive with the Jets that it would now compete with. This particular model would sell through the roof nobody would want a King Air or anything close to that, this would be a total alternative at lesser of a price and more cost beneficial than a jet any day of the week... This would attract private purchases and charter services like crazy... all the advantages of a jet with those sexy rear Pusher propellers!....Avante you're missing out on big sales! Avante Maximus ready to fly for 2025!

@Patriotsoul 2 года назад

It also needs the pro line fusion with synthetic vision, range to go from LA to Honolulu and a external serviceable lavatory. If they did all these things they would rule the market.

@freedomforever6718 2 года назад

The Avanti is clearly the winner based on just three of many reasons. Ceiling height, speed and low noise.

@brookrestall3274 3 года назад

Beechcraft's curious disclaimer leaves a lot to be answered for. Piagio's use of laminar flow technology makes for significant performance difference as Captain Richard Hartman points out in comment below. Beechcraft engineers obviously din not apply newer design technology to the fuselage, and a close look at the forward area around windshield clearly reveals awkward transitions, certain to generate turbulent airflow. Every airplane is a compromise, but the Piaggio engineers sacrificed little in order to achieve a lot of extra performance.

@FERRARIDOUG355 2 года назад

thanks for posting this informative video

@jos6216 4 года назад

IMHO The Evo is head and shoulders above the KA. The KAs are very overrated. Piaggio should add the larger fuel capacity and bigger wings to the Evo, like is on the Drone version. More range, shorter takeoffs and slower landing speed (I would think), would make it more favorable to buy. Then Piaggio needs to increase Parts inventory and expand the service network. That should greatly help sales. Then come out with a larger Jet version with 4000+ NM range. The Fuselage design is spot on for efficiency. Funny that Otto Aviation Celera is copied from the Avanti design. Again just my opinion

@el_ayunista 3 года назад

love your opinion thanks for sharing your thoughts

@HQBergeron 3 года назад

The Hammerhead version of the Avanti has much of the interior space devoted to fuel tanks, but that would not work for the general aviation version for obvious reasons. Perhaps they could find some more modern and more efficient engines, and make sure they are auto-throttle capable so they can switch to Garmin avionics? I read that the laminar flow aerodynamic design on the Avanti can only be scaled up a small amount in size before it no longer works. Same with the Celera. But doing even that would likely price it out of the category. The Celera is going to be interesting if they keep the price down, especially the larger model. It will be a paradigm shift for the airline industry.

@Teladian2 3 года назад

Just as tje Avanti took many design elements from Beechcraft Starship. *shrug* we all steal from somewhere

@janhawranke8064 9 месяцев назад

@@Teladian2 No way. I worked on both installations at both OEMs. Beech starship was based on a Burt Rutan design. Piaggio, in house, clean sheet.

@rodanderson8490 2 года назад

I decided years ago that if I ever win the lottery I will buy a burgundy P180. Whenever I see one at an FBO I am unable to take my eyes off it 🥰.

@tysoncurtis4833 4 года назад

the Piaggio does NOT have a conventional tail plane the tail plane in a Piaggio is a lifting surface. A conventional tail has a negative lift or downward force. All three wings in a Piaggio are lifting surfaces

@el_ayunista 3 года назад

thats why the tail does not need deicing boots.

@EdwardTilley 3 года назад

Piaggio wins obviously. Good comparison - thanks !

@hardmoneysolutions 2 года назад

Excellent comparison

@dreamaviation381 4 года назад

Originally the king air engines are mounted backwards. The Piaggio is the correct way engines supposed to be mounted. Reverse exhaust.

@benramler3277 2 месяца назад

thank for sharing! I would think the winnner would still go to the Avanti wouldn't it?

@JohnBaileyVIDS 2 года назад

I enjoyed this. 😉

@allenwinston9225 2 года назад

I have flown on one great. Great aircraft.

@robertoperezminero9782 2 года назад

ES CREO MUY HERMOSO Y ELEGANTE EL PIAGGIO P180 , PERO PREFIERO EL KING AIR 350i, ES MUCHO MAS FUERTE Y ROBUSTO , YO LOS VOLE EN INTRERCEPCION AEREA Y EN COMBATE EN MONTAÑAS , DESIERTO Y NIEVE ,Y CREO QUE ME QUEDO CON EL KING AIR !!OK?😀👍👏👏👏💪💪

@killingfields1424 2 года назад

Avanti doesnt stall, even if you try to stall it. King Air's T-tail losrs lift on High AOA, and spiral dive if you bank on a dead engine

@kevinbarry71 4 года назад

Great video, but why are the operating costs almost identical when one plane burns much less fuel while going much faster?

@jerrykorman7770 4 года назад

I would have to research the manufacturer required TBO, and related M&O costs to answer that question.

@superchargedpetrolhead 4 года назад

i think it probably is down to maintenance cost, there are lot of king air's around so I would assume parts might cost a bit less than the avanti. Even though their operating cost is similar don't forget the avanti is considerably faster so overall it might cost less cause you aren't spending as much time as in a king air for a certain trip.

@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS 3 года назад

@@jerrykorman7770 Why is it not part of the comparison???

@jerrykorman7770 3 года назад

@@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS I suppose it can be difficult to source data like TBO and M&O. Textron/Beechcraft are fairly open about this data. There is this obscure reference to increased TBO for a certain operator of Piaggio airgo.de/increase-your-avanti-engine-tbo-to-4100-hours-by-enrolling-with-airgo-management/

@stevendsouza370 2 года назад

I have seen the Piaggio aircraft in Dubai Air show I have my photography inside the cabin of the aircraft very sleek nd aerodynamic model.

@medicinegeek4773 3 года назад

I know about Avanti EVO now from your video. Avanti EVO for sure is way much better!

@curvs4me 3 года назад

The P180 should be EVERYWHERE! People's distrust of pusher configurations keeps on keeping on. With the speed of a VLJ vs a King Air with less fuel burn it should be a no brainer. The P180 recently reached a million combined flight hours. It's no longer a question regarding performance and reliability. Another factor is that range can be extended in economy cruise. A big negative is the power. If they used the 1250shp versions and reverse thrust nobody would buy anything else. Another 800 shaft horsepower would set it alone in climb out as well as takeoff and landing distance. The extra speed doesn't do much in short blocks because of the climb. If they put 1250s on the wings, it would climb out like a jet. Piaggio, if you want to take away some of Beech's market share, put 60 alphas on the wings. It wouldn't do much of anything to the economy. A pt6 is a pt6, Honeywell 331s would get better economy ;-)

@tonyshayne8629 2 года назад

Brilliant!!!

@apuuvah 2 года назад

Piaggio. The best fast plane in this seating category.

@joseluizdacosta8580 2 года назад

Gosto do P180 com motores na cauda, bela nave...

@nigelappleton2963 3 года назад

Which has the most internal space; cabin height, width? Do they have a loo? Which has the more spacious cockpit? Are they both cleared for single pilot operation?

@leokimvideo 2 года назад

Props need clean air, pusher design is bad, exhaust gas damage and shorten life of the props.

@zacharytaylor190 2 года назад

The biggest part is clean air into the engine. A propeller can do fine in haze, mist, or fumes as long as the particulate is not abrasive. The only things I could see doing damage rocks and volcanic ash, neither of which should be coming out of your engine.

@SGTMARSHALL1 2 года назад

I would like to know how you explain the similar operation costs when you stated that the Piaggio burns 100 Gallons of fuel per hour and King Air burns 139 Gallons, that is over 1/3rd extra Fuel cost and I would have to assume that the King Air also has a significantly larger fuel capacity to reach the almost identical range based on its fuel guzzling performance

@kepalakentang-z9d Год назад

hi guys.. somebody have Avanti Evo AFM ..? can i have it..? Thx

@jmsmikey 4 года назад

Love the Piaggio, but the company is in severe financial trouble & may not survive.

@marlintheaviator 4 года назад

They did recently receive financing to resume operations

@SM-nm1oc 4 года назад

@@marlintheaviator I wish that I had few million Dollars to spare I would not hesitate buying this company

@hrgiyzueghe 3 года назад

@@SM-nm1oc You'd need quite a few since Piaggio makes 1.5 billion € in revenues

@donjohnson8649 3 года назад

The dismal performance of a company that was called "AVANTAIR" that had MANY Avantis here in the US, sure didn't help any....and most likely put a stain on the AVANTI not in any way the fault of the Italian company..

@shreddder999 4 года назад

Yes, in the Piaggio you have to plan your flight from destination to your origin.

@marlintheaviator 4 года назад

shreddder999 😂

@123OGNIAN 4 года назад

So the winner is the pc12 ngx?

@kathyhartman4702 4 года назад

The PC-12 is a joke next to the Avanti. You’re comparing hamburger to a two inch thick ribeye! 😁 I fly an Avanti and it’s amazing. The PC-12 that I also have significant time in, isn’t anywhere near the airplane, from performance (Avanti is100 kts faster and 41,000 ft service ceiling) to systems to redundancy. Capt. Rich Hartman

@123OGNIAN 4 года назад

@@kathyhartman4702 What about maintenance? I suspect it is more expensive, correct? Cheers and thanks for the info mate.

@danielnofal 4 года назад

One engine vs two?

@Patriotsoul 3 года назад

Interesting now that king air/textron has announced they will no longer build the king air and Piaggio is for sale. What will happen?

@claudiocerruti4036 3 года назад

Piaggio P180!!!!

@gerardhaubert8210 2 года назад

How do each of them handle loss of an engine?

@normanriggs848 3 года назад

Is Piaggio still in business? The EVO needs new avionics, an external lav service and it needs to get rid of the Prist requirement. But it is still worry some whether Piaggio can still survive as a company!

@tonylam9548 Год назад

The P180 is a much later design Just looking at the size of the main wing and the difference in aspect ratio. Pushers are a bit more efficient. But if you are not picky, you can save big with the King Air by buying a used C90 or 200 much cheaper and trade all the steam gauges and have the new STC ed engine and prop mod done and still have lots left over from $8 million. I stay away from the 360, for the biggest change I suspect is adding 10 to the number 350 for marketing purpose ?

@joycethomas8868 3 года назад

What’s the safety record on both ?

@marxxmann8758 3 года назад

Finally they made a video in this class of craft since the other day they made a video of a pilatus vs a kingair how dumb is that to compare a single engine against a twin engine,the only thing the kingair missing is a dual wheel nose gear

@johnhammond9962 2 года назад

Damn, I was rooting for the King Air

@leeeldrut 3 года назад

Watching the video of the king air 350 lose an engine on takeoff at Addison Texas airport, rolling inverted and crashing into a hanger, killing all onboard, gives me pause of flying on one.

@allenwinston9225 2 года назад

Flown P180 great plane for the money.

@mogaos5676 3 года назад

of course piaggio, thumbs up for avanti evo

@harbukshsekhon8757 2 года назад

Is the Avanti still available for purchase? I thought that they went out of business during COVID?

@jackhammer111 2 года назад

I remember the avanti cars. not all they were cracked up to be.

@mbon071 Год назад

The Piaggio Avanti p180 evo is so much more luxurious, quiet, and performing.

@jackhammer111 2 года назад

why is the operating cost almost the same when the Avanti uses so much less fuel?

@cheechchickens1854 3 года назад

Seen a piaggio fly over a minute ago. Weird looking as hell I had to look it up lol. Shit looked like an x-fighter

@RickinHKG 3 года назад

Interesting video. Resale and depreciation would be interesting. I am guessing the King Air would win both those categories.

@robertphillips3078 2 года назад

No Contest , l am taking the "Pusher Paggio P180 " every day of the week .

@andrewschliewe6392 3 года назад

Let's remember the Avanti Evo wasn't available until 2015 and the 350i became available back in 2008, so there's a 7 year difference. I'd like to have seen the comparison with blackhawk PT6A-67A upgrade package or even the 360 with the engine and prop upgrades.

@bigc208 3 года назад

The EVO is still 70kts faster than the King Air 350 with the 67A conversion. 402kts vs 332kts.

@NiTeHaWKnz 3 года назад

You realize, when talking about the avionics for the B350i you mentioned the Pro Line Fusion yet showed footage of the Pro line 21? Also, Textron Aviation have announced the 360i to replace the 350i not to long ago.

@jimballard1895 2 года назад

quite honestly why would you go with the 350I when it loses to the EVO in nearly every category - PLUS it looks so much better

@michaelrosa5410 Год назад

I'm not a pilot,and I only have an opinion. King Air been around for what seems to be forever. The extra 100MPH is real nice,but with a track record from all of the King Air, and Beechcraft in general, I'd pick the King Air. I also am living in the USA and would assume servicing would be quite easy compared to the Italian plane ? I'm 100% Italian American, so I love anything Italian, especially my food. But King Air is just a Gold Standard to be measured up against. Also saw a Piaggio crash in Africa I think last year ?

@jesse15622 3 года назад

I may be a bit one sided because I've flown on the piaggio. But it seems to me that the piaggio is superior in every catagory.

@AbsolutelyEverybody1 3 года назад

It is yep

@hawkdsl 4 года назад

Land a Piaggio, then land a KA. Indeed, the Piaggio has jet like speeds.. like a fully loaded 747 with all engines out, and on short final to Gimli. And KA's have the fusion avionics now.. which are really freaking fantastic. In the end it's not going to matter. Piaggio will be out of the game in a few years anyway.

@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS 3 года назад

You sound like an outsider, who want us to believe you are an insider... ;-) Don't spread BS here!

@hawkdsl 3 года назад

@@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS You obviously have no clue what I was talking about. /rolls eyes. Jesus.

@el_ayunista 3 года назад

Hope not, beautiful aircraft. poorly marketed.

@hawkdsl 3 года назад

@@el_ayunista Yes. The Piaggio is a great plane. Sadly, it's kind of out of their hands. The current economic state of the world is the bigger problem. There simply isn't a big demand for aircraft, and the recovery will be long.

@donjohnson8649 3 года назад

My opinion (not a "high time" pilot (maybe only slightly over 13,000 hours) and having landed MANY, MANY King Airs, various biz jets, gliders, seaplanes, Helos and also the Piaggio hundreds of times, I have to say that the Piaggio DOES require a little more attention on approach/ landing and roll out than the King Air series (though nothing hyper demanding/superhuman or whatever) but then driving a Ferrari requires a little more attention than does a Buick, huh?

@ericchen6096 4 года назад

On paper, Piaggio is a much better plane by a large margin. But Piaggio has a problem of reliability and inadequate service network. That's why after twenty something years of service, very few customer would buy them. They are now left dying. If you can build a plane with really good quality and people can really depend on them, customers will keep buying like Pilatus, Honda especially after a few years in service. Just take a look at the sales figures each year. then you will know.

@marlintheaviator 4 года назад

I see in an attempt to offer better quality they have an improved service and support network, an innovative new maintenance program that can keep costs under control.

@MichaelM-to4sg 4 года назад

The P180 is vastly inferior in a very important spec for the typical usage of aircraft; full fuel payload. Despite being an 8 passenger rated aircraft, a payload of 1150lbs makes this closer to a 5-6 passenger aircraft w/light luggage. That’s not competitive w/KA350i & PC12 NGx. The service infrastructure too is vastly inferior to Pilatus and Textron. Those factors alone have killed viability of an otherwise innovative aircraft making substantial foothold into mid-range charter market.

@kathyhartman4702 4 года назад

The Avanti I fly is maintained per the factory and we have had less reliability issues than I’ve had with king airs in the past. The company is solvent as the Italian government has stepped in. Capt.Rich Hartman

@ozzieflyer009 4 года назад

@@kathyhartman4702 Can I ask where you are operating from ?. I am seriously considering this plane for work out of London Uk there is a german company Airgo that are currently very bust in the market and have 4 of these aircaft flying. How long have you been flying the Piaggio for, normal Pax load and what is your average sector length

@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS 3 года назад

Old BS!

@ADAPTATION7 4 года назад

As much as the Avanti is a speed demon, better go American with the tried tested and true King Air.

@marlintheaviator 4 года назад

Unless you want to try Italian Quality

@MichaelM-to4sg 4 года назад

If I needed that mission duty, I’d opt for Swiss PC12 NGx. Textron’s newly developed Denali will likely outsell the KA within 5 years

@danielnofal 4 года назад

If you prefer a Corvette to a Ferrari...

@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS 3 года назад

Yeah, stay with the big V8, instead of modern technology.

@rogerdsmith 2 года назад

Has anyone considered that all jet aircraft are “pusher” aircraft?

@zacharytaylor190 2 года назад

Jets are jets. Calling them either tractor or pusher is not correct, as those terms only apply to propeller aircraft.

@MichaelM-to4sg 4 года назад

When you compare the operating costs and performance of KA350i, it’s no wonder the PC12 NGx is taking over that market and parent company Textron has developed the Denali, albeit under the Cessna brand. Given those operating costs, a VLJ is faster @ similar operating costs. For shorter missions where speed may be lesser factor, a PC12 NGx is no brainer as the wise choice. I doubt anyone is considering anything from Piaggio given their financial status. Their support infrastructure around most of globe is entirely insufficient for most operators compared to Pilatus & Textron.

@markushandlemeyer6717 4 года назад

Michael M : no doubt that the PC-12 is a great aircraft. But in many countries, single engine aircraft are prohibited from flying at night or even IFR. That’s a huge restriction. Not to mention they must always remain within gliding distance to land....in SE Asia, this is a show stopper too.

@hlim431 4 года назад

I want a Otto Celera 500L at less than $400 per hour op cost

@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS 3 года назад

A unusual, and smart AC, if it ever gets made in numbers! Only numbers prove the concept.

@HQBergeron 3 года назад

And keep the price under say, $4MM.

@netopir3804 2 месяца назад

The second i in piaggio is silent.

@robertphillips3078 2 года назад

I made my comment b4 l had listened 2 the Specs . The Paggio is generations ahead of the King Air .

@johnxrgomez9684 4 года назад

I think the king air is best but the piaggio goes 750 kmh of speed and 37,000 ft of altitud is like a Jet

@AbsolutelyEverybody1 3 года назад

Imagine when the Avanti gets a nice tailwind...even a 40 or 50 or 60 knot tailwind....heaven :-)

@andrewschliewe6392 3 года назад

Don't be fooled by that number. That is the rated altitude for the body. Like the KA is suppose to be able to go up to 35,000, but the standard KA350i can only do 28,000 and that is do to the engine. the Blackhawk upgraded engine allows you go up to 31,000 ft.

@AbsolutelyEverybody1 3 года назад

@@andrewschliewe6392 for the Piaggio?

@andrewschliewe6392 3 года назад

@@AbsolutelyEverybody1 I don't know what altitude the PW engines are rated for the piaggio. What I put was strictly for the King Air.

@samtatenumber1 3 года назад

@@andrewschliewe6392 good to think about

@robertschneider2189 2 года назад

The 350i ER has a range of 2539 nm. You left that out.

@ycplum7062 3 года назад

Just curious, but you wouldn't happen to know what metric they used to arrive at the Piaggio being 20% quieter? Not disputing that it is quieter, I expected that. However, you would not say something is X% quieter from a technical perspective.

@jamesharber7820 4 года назад

$2000/hr operational cost! I think I will stick with my Starduster Too with it’s 205 HP Lycoming @ a per hour cost of $45.00. :)

@marlintheaviator 4 года назад

Well the operational cost includes ownership expenses aswell

@kevinbarry71 4 года назад

You are kidding yourself if you think you're operating costs are that low

@jerrykorman7770 4 года назад

James Harber the PT6A has a TBO at around 3,600 hours at a cost of $500,000. There are two of them. Turboprops have other expensive M&O costs

@el_ayunista 3 года назад

well yes theres a market for everything and everyone. happy landings

@donjohnson8649 3 года назад

OK...so you DO show the operating cost per hour, but that is NOT truly meaningful. Basically the fixed costs will be roughly similar, but the COST PER MILE (either situate or nautical or even kilometer), when compared for the two aircraft will tell you more than the cost per hour. Having flown some of the first Piaggio Avantis in this country (not a lot, but somewhere around 1100-1200 hours?) and most of the King Air series--- 90, (100 Garretts only, not Pratts), 200, C-12, U-21 aircraft (but NOT the 350i---), I can not directly compare these two aircraft, but I can say when you look down at the 200/250/300 series King Airs as you pass them, they APPEAR to be going backwards due to the (approximately 100 knot----OR MORE) difference in speeds when compared to the SLOWEST of the Piaggio Avanti series.

@waltermello1432 3 года назад

The Piaggio P180 has the same operational cost of the King Air 350. The difference between both is, at the same time of flight, one hour, you can fly 400kts on Piaggio, on King Air only 300kts. Why the people do not inform the cost for mille and for passengers? Allways is the same, no good information, no confidente comparassdons. Sorry media, it's a lastime.

@brycecampbell4845 2 года назад

Piaggio Avanti EVO all day long

@jedzoku Год назад

Neither of these planes would be able to fly from the UK to Washington without needing to stop in Greenland to refuel.

@danrosario2888 2 года назад

Probably the best dressed people I’ve seen in a private jet. As of late I see people on $400 over sized t shirts and ripped jeans. 🙃

@callmewheels4806 2 года назад

Another video by someone that Obviously doesn’t work Directly in the industry. If YOU are paying the bills, the KA is the Hands-down winner. The P180 is a maintenance and upkeep financial drain. Getting parts is ALWAYS a problem and to add insult to injury, the Mean Time Between Failure (MTBF) on P180 Line Replaceable Units (LRU’s) is Orders of Magnitude higher. Also, you say the operating expenses the KA are greater than the P180 is LUDICROUS. If all you say is true, WHY DO SO INCREDIBLY FEW P180’s exist in small to mid-size flight departments? COST/RELIABILITY/VALUE and PAYLOAD is the Cryptonite for P180 operators. The P180 is Sexy and Fast. Other than that, the KA 350i is a proven performer that company actuaries AND pax always appreciate.

@bonvili3930 2 года назад

Walter and Willbur Wright,, anyone??!!

@greenknight907 4 года назад

King air 350 blackhawk can do 332 knots

@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS 3 года назад

Did you gt this on WIKIPEDIA? A dumb comment, which leaves out the price, etc.

@MichaelOZimmermannJCDECS 3 года назад

Your comparisons sound like you are reading the information off a screen. Numeral comparison should be side-by-side, not one after another!

@harrachi67 3 года назад

Donc conclusion Piaggio et beaucoup mieux.

@Mr-Fix-It 3 года назад

$2000 per hour to operate. Make them Electric!

@greenknight907 4 года назад

The P180 and the starship are uneconomical to fly. They are fast, but at their price you are better off with a used jet

@greenknight907 4 года назад

@McFarland Piaggio is a out $2715 an hour KA 350i about $1250

@schuttrostig5729 3 года назад

P180 sure cheaper than a jet to maintain and fly, actually the king air is the one that has only a slim advantage over single engine turboprops at a lot higher operating costs. uneconomical are both, if you want economics take a bus,train or comercial airline.

@AbsolutelyEverybody1 3 года назад

@@greenknight907 is that Australian dollars?

@AbsolutelyEverybody1 3 года назад

@@greenknight907 do you or anyone know how much roughly a Fokker 50 costs to operate per hour? Yes I know the Fokker 50 is a completely different aircraft but I've always wanted to know how much per hour it would cost

@el_ayunista 3 года назад

@@AbsolutelyEverybody1 you mean a Falcon 50. Engine programs alone is 1300 per hour. Total cost per hour on a F50 is around 4200, assuming 250 hours per year owner use and 200 hour charter to offset some costs.

@ubermenschen3636 3 года назад

Unfortunately, Piaggio is in bankruptcy.

@AbsolutelyEverybody1 3 года назад

Why?

@isaiasrozentul2108 2 года назад

the king can take off and land over grass and Dirt runway

@heaye 3 года назад

inside game world, fseconomy. msfs2020 xplane p3d .. piaggio have 8 passanger. kingair350i have 14 passanger. piaggio burn fuel 110gph kingair burn fuel 88gph so. inside game, kingair is winner.