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@chipper6729 9 дней назад

Worth noting, it takes more than "just talking to your utility" when back feeding power. The "gateway" box that is installed with a powerwall system contains an isolation contractor that allows you to island your house when the power goes out along with distribution breakers. Most utilities require this UL cert. box to allow you to connect a grid tied inverter if you want backup power. Otherwise the inverter just off when the grid goes down. It ensures that the inverter doesn't backfeed when people are working on the power lines.

@johnpanunto183 9 дней назад

I installed this same system in my garage. My main issue with these batteries will be in the winter months. I was mislead by the sales guys that they could be used within certain temperatures and outdoor rate however I later realized the temperature will need to be around 40 degrees F for charging. Now I need to add a heating system around the batteries. Too bad they don't include heaters like other similar batteries on the market. they claim they can be installed outdoors however they neglect to mention that your house needs to be in a warm climate where it does not dip below 32 degrees.

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

We hear you, John! Our batteries are designed for a wide range of temperatures. If you want a battery for outdoor freezing temperatures - we suggest you buy our RHINO 2 - It is designed with heating plates and is built for this specific application you are requesting. We recommend using a battery heating system for colder climates which you will find in the "All Weatherproof BigBattery RHINO 2". We’re always looking to improve and appreciate your feedback. Stay warm and powered up!

@BrianRox 9 дней назад

Something I want to mention about doing the electrical yourself. If you are unsure on your ability or worried about insurance. You can hire a electrician to inspect the work you did and sign off on it. Rather then them putting in the time.

@DJRaffa1000 8 дней назад

that's what my parents did when they built their home. And mind you this is in Germany (I was perplexed that this is allowed, but since you have documentation that a professional said it's ok, then it's ok)

@iandawson9945 8 дней назад

Can I purchase the ethos system in France

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

The BigBattery ETHOS System is designed to be modular and easy to install, making it perfect for DIY enthusiasts.

@polarbearigloo 9 дней назад

Also this should be how we have solar and storage just adult legos and self reliance

@BigBattery 7 дней назад

Awesome to hear that reference. At BigBattery we often refer to the ETHOS as "Legos" that are free to be built to whatever design and scale you prefer!

@soundslight7754 9 дней назад

You were not paid, but you were given a system for free and to keep - this makes you somewhat biased

@MatJ7 9 дней назад

That is being paid imho. It’s a 12 minute advert

@iGreen_ 9 дней назад

Ya no reason to point out you didn't get paid cash when you just got 10 grand of free home utility equipment.

@theknies 8 дней назад

Sure that could make one bias. But if you've been watching these guys long enough. You would hopefully see that they are not afraid to throw punches where it's due. I trust these guys. They truly seem genuine.

@michealkinney6205 7 дней назад

@@theknies Exactly. And it's kind of hard to argue nearly half the cost BEFORE adding contractor, the inverter, etc. I know you could do this up to 3x cheaper completely yourself (sourcing LiFePO4 batteries), but it's definitely compelling with how easy and integrated it seems.

@thomasgauthier5691 7 дней назад

@@iGreen_do they still have their powerwall and this is this not very useful for them?

@jemezname2259 9 дней назад

Eg4 batteries are cheaper and come in a cabinet with wheels. I am entirely off grid with a similar system. I have 60 kWh of batteries and 10 kW of solar. Eventually I plan to double my system.

@Master_Failure 9 дней назад

I have the same, but there are other options like this that work better for small footprints and skill levels. Having multiple options is good for this future. I like seeing new options on the market and all the ideas of how to implement it.

@PerfectorZY 9 дней назад

Did you need to get any permits? Did you ground mount the solar or roof mount?

@Master_Failure 9 дней назад

@@PerfectorZY it depends on where you live. For me, I had to have the electric company pull the meter so I could install, then I got an inspection before they would reattach the meter. I have too many trees to ground mount, so I installed to the roof and a workshop. HOA is the hardest part.

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

There are "Pro's" and "Con's" with any system depending on your footprint and performance needs. EG4 is a great company but I do not believe they offer a stackable vertical battery like THE ETHOS. If you prefer a Rack-Mount battery, they have great options. It really depends on your preference and skill level. If you don't like the Rhino 2 or the ETHOS, then EG4 has other options that might fit your needs. I support that company because we are both attempting to make Green Energy AFFORDABLE FOR ALL. : )

@danmccoy6164 День назад

Eg4 makes powerpro batteries 14.3kw wall mount LFP. They have heaters and fire extinguishers built in. Plug and play with eg4 18kpv inverter $5199. I just got 5 of them for $17193.60. Delivered to my garage.

@helmuth.p 9 дней назад

Including the Lux Power 12kW Inverter the price jumps up to $10,690, right?! The Tesla PW3 has the Inverter built in… Tesla still more expensive but not like half the price!

@slowercuber7767 9 дней назад

Unless you are qualified to do it yourself. Installation costs bite.

@hanswitvliet8188 9 дней назад

Indeed, smells like click bait.

@PerfectorZY 9 дней назад

@@hanswitvliet8188if you can install this yourself than yes it’s likely half the price. Installing a power wall can add another 5k+ to the price.

@josephkeene6670 9 дней назад

Plus the Lux Power inverter is a huge, ugly space hog compared to the 11.5 inverter in the PW3. Really not an spples to apples.

@josephkeene6670 9 дней назад

And I forgot to add, the Lux Power is NOISY as hell...

@christic769 7 дней назад

The above coupon code says you get 5% on purchase, it is actually 10%. Even better. Just ordered

@darkrangertelescopetours9601 9 дней назад

Super-good video, guys. Tesla needs some competition. I'm already stuck in a dual Powerwall III contract waiting for my ding-dang Powershare Gateway III that is supposed to come with my FS CyberTruck that I took delivery on April 27. For my 3 off-grid observatories and employee housing, I'll be doing Ethos upgrades to replace Lead-acid, AGMs, Jita & Temgot LiFePOs (I've tried every kind of battery storage for my solar arrays over the last decade) thanks to you guys and this video.

@echas 9 дней назад

From a cost perspective a 3 Ethos battery system with an inverter is almost $11K. This compares to a powerwall at $9300 or $11k with installation. Your video literally stated this solution is 1/2 the price of a powerwall. Please explain your math here.

@adjoho1 9 дней назад

Yeah I'm calling bullshit.

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

You are correct, we are (on average) 62.6% of the cost V.S. Tesla. Our goal is to make Energy Independence Affordable without sacrificing quality. 15.36kWh / BigBattery ETHOS = $626 / kWh $10,690 - 10% Code = $9,621 (Includes 12KW Inverter) 13.5kWh / Tesla Powerwall = Average = $1,000+/kWh (Includes 9.6KW Inverter) Low End: $13,000 ($12,000 + $1,000) High End: $15,000 ($12,000 + $3,000) Energy Capacity: 13.5 kWh Built-in Inverter: 7.6 kW (solar) / 9.6 kW (battery) Installation Cost: Estimated between $1,000 and $3,000

@nar907 3 дня назад

11k power wall installation? I was quoted 20k in WA state. Everyone quotes the same price. I always tell them your crazy that install price is way more than the battery itself.

@danmccoy6164 День назад

Cheapest I could find for powerwall 3 installed with gateway $15,300. I can get eg4 18kpv inverter plus 14.3kw powerpro battery for $7572.97. They are plug and play pretty much together. The battery is LFP and has built-in heaters and fire extinguishers.

@thomaswilliams6155 8 дней назад

I'm an electrician and this system seems easy enough for talented homeowners. One thing I would suggest is that you guys inform people that you have construction experience that makes these projects easy for you.

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

Great point, Brian! For those unsure about their electrical skills, hiring any electrician to inspect and sign off on the work is a smart move. This is a much more affordable option V.S. What OEM Battery Installers charge for install. For those without electrical experience - this ensures safety and compliance without the full cost of professional installation.

@GadgetReviewVideos 9 дней назад

Do some research and you will find this one is $1300 to $1800 more then others with the same specs prebuilt and has proper certifications. . Or build your own for about $1900 with everything needed in build kits and add the batteries (no certifications for safety and might be illegal to use if tied to a grid, check with local law first) Still I think big battery is one of the higher priced batteries on the marker. Although that inverter is a nice one.

@BigBattery 7 дней назад

Just wanted to say, for UL-Certified ESS our ETHOS is currently competing on the lowest end of the pricing market as of July 1st 2024!

@chiefalien 9 дней назад

How about the APP guys? Tesla rocks!!

@slowercuber7767 9 дней назад

I guess we should go find the “Now let’s review” episode!

@danmccoy6164 День назад

Just perchased 5 eg4 powerpro batteries 14.3kw apiece. So 71.5kw total for $17,193.60 or $3438.60 per 14.3kw battery. delivered to my garage. And an eg4 18kpv inverter for $5,199. And 30 390watt panels $3568. I will be installing it all myself. Have to have a licensed electrician hook it up in my circuit breaker panel. Will be grid tied. So have to get permits and have it inspected. The 18kpv inverter will do everything. Grid tie, islanding, batteries, start your generator. Everything. Eg4 batteries have heaters built-in. As well as fire extinguishers. Even though they are lfp batteries.

@BSBS-lg4hu 9 дней назад

Thanks Zac and Jesse! quite helpful.

@balaji-kartha 9 дней назад

Wonderful that competition is coming in the energy sector. This seems better than the cars industry! And of course this will be a bigger market too

@victor17m 9 дней назад

Awesome batteries are getting cheaper and cheaper

@seanmitchell3782 9 дней назад

Amazing timing!! I’ve been thinking about this for hours last couple days!! You are guys are amazing as always!

@Kattakam 9 дней назад

topic i was interested in. Thank you

@PeaceChanel 8 дней назад

Thank You for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste 🙏🏻 😊 ✌ ☮ ❤

@polarbearigloo 9 дней назад

Yeah you chose a good product. Especially that inverter is great!

@jeffrogers210 9 дней назад

Excellent news about this great product! The "future" is getting better and better! Thanks!

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

I love hearing this, We’re excited to be part of this journey towards sustainable energy solution!

@Bennie32831 8 дней назад

Stoked this is cool 👏✌️👍

@hermanmoreno9217 7 дней назад

Great job!

@ericl3870 5 дней назад

I built a power system in the '90s using a trace inverter and 4 golf cart batteries. Now I'm looking to upgrade to a modern hydroelectric system.

@johnpoldo8817 9 дней назад

This looks so simple to install. Nice design!

@philipgrice1026 9 дней назад

They didn't "pay you for it", but they did just 'send you a system. Free? But, yes, it's impressive. At 77 years old I don't need to "learn need skills", but I'm pretty sure I already have them. Now I need to build a solar shed to cover with panels and install my battery system inside. Kewl.

@MichaelSmith-px1ev 7 дней назад

What I like about this is you can now use your Powerwall for VPP and use your Ethos for the house.

@craigfreeman9280 9 дней назад

Okay now you need to remove the cables going into the bottom of the inverter and put cable protectors on the holes then you can happily re-connect the inverter an sleep well at night knowing the cables can’t be cut by the sheet metal holes 🤣

@misob 9 дней назад

This ... absolutely 100% correct. I worked as a residential electrician for 16 years and that install is not legal in US or Canada

@craigfreeman9280 9 дней назад

@@misob Yeah as a City Electrical inspector, this is a n all to common gaff that DIYers make, I caught it instantly

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

No worries, These parts you are referring to come in every kit.

@ReverendRandy 9 дней назад

Thank you Zac and Jesse! I'm thinking about giving Big Battery a call. Peace

@robinhood4640 9 дней назад

If it's got a magic box i want one. Magic boxes are mega cool.

@bru512 9 дней назад

The cost of Solar and Batteries continue to fall Competition is good for the consumer

@callmebigpapa 9 дней назад

Sounds like my fav youtubers have watching another fav youtube Will Prowse.

@bru512 9 дней назад

Will is awesome!

@emceh 9 дней назад

PV roof sounds awesome :) upload ASAP please ;)

@480_royster 8 дней назад

wish i could use this now

@NoGasWelcomeAboard 9 дней назад

Those with (grandfathered) Net Metering & a reliable supplier use the grid as their battery. Not only is that GT system cheaper, but it also has unlimited storage capacity. And that’s exactly why finding a utility that still offers Net Metering is impossible.

@AMortalDefiant 9 дней назад

'Impossible' seems pretty hyperbolic. Here in PA, the Alternative Energy Portfolio Standards Act (AEPS) was passed in 2004, guaranteeing all customers who have their own generation the option to use net metering, and the utilities cannot prevent it. "...the law requires all electric utilities (aka Energy Distribution Companies) in the state to purchase excess renewable energy from eligible system owners at the full-retail rate". Like all things, it will depend on where one lives.

@AceSky01 7 дней назад

Still waiting on my tesla power wall amd this is just for a quote, I have no choice but to look somewhere else. Great video

@q2w8i9o 9 дней назад

Power wall is not accessible for diy. So, I built my own system with 40 KW batteries + 10 kw solar. Is way cheaper and performing as well.

@elborro444 9 дней назад

This is really interesting yall! Finally an option that seems ideal for diy on a budget. I really need to figure out the numbers for what my house needs, how much solar I can generate at my house, and whether my electric company has “net metering?”

@elborro444 9 дней назад

Also love to hear it’s LFP, seems like the best option available these days

@codyt.346 9 дней назад

10:32 Yeah, because the system needs to be permitted, built to Code, pass the final inspection. Then the utility interconnection can start. If the steps above are not followed then we’ll have random people installing batteries without a ground, inside bed rooms, and have conductor dangling outside of conduit. Might be a good idea to hire a company to install solar and battery.

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

You’re spot on, Cody! Our ETHOS Battery & RHINO 2 Battery are both UL-9540A. Ensuring your system is permitted, built to code, and passes inspection is crucial. Thanks for emphasizing these important steps!

@gordonlowe5405 9 дней назад

Would like to see how you cabled up the solar panels and ran the conductors to the inverter.

@johnjones6502 2 дня назад

Looking forward 👌

@Christopher-cr7pw 9 дней назад

These would be good for small or new businesses

@mwolrich 9 дней назад

ideal angle is your lattitude (about 41 degrees in MA), for year round overall production.. if you can make it adjustable, then seasonal adjustments can be made, but not needed, really…

@outbackev-hunter6035 9 дней назад

simular to Deyu inverters, but you can use generic 48V batts..might want to check out to

@slowercuber7767 9 дней назад

Would love to have solar PV input detail of amperage at prescribed voltages.

@kradwonders 9 дней назад

My problem with battery backups is the run time. It’s not uncommon for us to have power outages that last two days or more. Solar doesn’t work in my tree covered area therefore, once the battery power is used up I can’t recharge it without a generator. Therefore, why not just use a natural gas generator in the first place? For short outages a battery backups do well but not long term. We’ve had outages that lasted for 7 days.

@jonevansauthor 9 дней назад

Solar doesn't work in your area because of trees? So, you can't see anything around your house, right? It's all pitch black because the trees are so dense and so tall, that there's zero light that doesn't come from man made sources?

@codyt.346 9 дней назад

A Generac system can be used with battery and solar. Main panel, battery relay, then Generac relay, then Backed up loads. Power goes out, battery takes over, battery runs out, Generac takes over. Solar can be/should be added to the system above.

@MarkBarrett 9 дней назад

My Uncle might use this on his lodge he's building.

@dwightsinclair9369 8 дней назад

It is best to put more pannels in the strings to get the string voltage between 260v to 400v

@dwightsinclair9369 8 дней назад

Remember to set the charge rate for the lux to fit your battery charge rate

@dwightsinclair9369 8 дней назад

The lux 12k is a very good hybrid inverter

@naterobinson5141 9 дней назад

🤔 Very interesting

@nicholasshereos1752 6 дней назад

Wow this is very cool could you also have a wind mill attached

@Useitorloseit1 8 дней назад

Put 1500 watts Solar on my Sailboat and Learned about Iron ridge Camo clamps. If you don't already know about them. They provide a way to clamp Solar panels, without getting on the roof! I plan to install 13kw of Bifacial Solar panels over my deck. Sealing between the panels for a water proof solar only roof.

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

For marine applications, feel free to check-out our water-resistant IP-65 Rated Batteries. The HUSKY 2 & The EAGLE 2. I believe these will be a good fit for you and they are 10% off using the code. Happy Sailing!

@Useitorloseit1 6 дней назад

@@EricLundgrenCEO what a dumb response.

@CalgarGTX 9 дней назад

This looks good especially if you can somehow expand an existing system with it. But yeah should probably have clarified the total costs of installation shown with the extra inverter box. We def need a 'race to the bottom' (but not the the point things catch on fire left and right like chinese EVs) to happen in privately owned energy storage and conversion solutions and things like this are a good step on the way.

@graffy5483 8 дней назад

LuxPower is similar to the MultiPlus II from Victron, but the Victron system is more modular and works with generic 48V batteries. For example, with Pylontech US3000C LiFePO4 3.5kWh, which are significantly cheaper and more redundant (because each has its own controller). The wiring is just as simple. This is not meant to be an advertisement, just another example. For DIY, I would strongly advise against DC strings. I like to do everything myself, but even with LuxPower, you have to connect high DC voltage to land in the correct MPPT range. High DC currents are EXTREMELY dangerous and need special protection. For DIY, I would always recommend microinverters because you connect low voltage on the DC side, and no AC flows as long as the fuses are off as usual during installation. Besides the added safety and redundancy, you can also start cheaply without a battery and battery inverter in the world of photovoltaics and add a battery later.

@christophercobb6352 9 дней назад

Sounds suspiciously similar to the Canadian solar ep cube solution. I'd love to see a side by side comparison of these two solutions.

@DumbSkippy 6 дней назад

I'm in Australia. Here only electricians can touch mains or solar integration. This looks like a great product and price. I wonder if it can integrate with 240v 50Hz we use in Australia?

@guillaumest1 9 дней назад

Hello guys 👋 what happens in case of a power outage ?

@ShepIP19702 9 дней назад

Can you duplicate the storm watch function to keep the battery at 100% in inclement weather?

@EVunedited 5 дней назад

Can you use the CT or Lightning to power it ?

@Reedith 7 дней назад

Can you use bi-direction

@PamelaDritt 7 дней назад

Guys, you shouldn't say you weren't paid when you got the value of the battery free from the company.

@Themachinewon 8 дней назад

Cover how the Cyber truck back feeds the house though the Gateway. ??? Did you get a new "Universal Tesla Charger ?

@wilty5 7 дней назад

Is this compatible with installation in a tiny home, box truck conversion, or tiny home, probably only need 1 module?

@gwgans 9 дней назад

Need solar safety cutoff switch?

@andreaser.1898 8 дней назад

Cool video can you get it in Denmark Europe?

@PatSepton 6 дней назад

I have a Fronius inverter feeding me and the grid. However, I would love to use this, and add some solar to just restore power to batteries, saving me my usage from the grid.. Are there any examples of how I can use this with my current example? Second, is the system loud?

@thirdnormalform 9 дней назад

PSA - checkout EG4. Same or better for less.

@CT73_mauflo98 9 дней назад

Don’t forget that the software Tesla uses is the real secret.

@electricandlspower 9 дней назад

I agree but capacity and cost might out weigh the software.

@BillB33525 9 дней назад

Very interesting subject. Keep the content coming. Love the price and DIY capability.

@keshawint4619 20 часов назад

How will this Powerwall do in Canadian weather? Looks like a great product.

@OnTheSnap1 6 дней назад

Can I still use PowerShare with cybertruck with this system?

@kof4737 9 дней назад

How much?

@trojanthedog 9 дней назад

House building should have such systems.

@teckkuando 9 дней назад

How about flood proofing?

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

These batteries are all IP65 Rated for Indoor/Outdoor Install. If you are in colder temperatures, we recommend the RHINO 2 w. built-in heat plates.

@buixote 9 дней назад

Might actually want to get a quote for the Powerwall. Ours was pretty reasonable, with the Rebate. Also, Tesla's software is unrivaled, unless you've seen otherwise... then there's the V2H which is supposedly coming; first in the CT.

@bryancarter4554 7 дней назад

Touched on hiring electrician. What about insurance? If something happened at any point, wouldn’t the insurance co deny a claim if not professionally installed/permitted?

@wildweav 9 дней назад

I love that this is DIY simple!!!

@salsej 9 дней назад

Can their batteries be integrated into an existing PW2 system -where solar + inverter already exists? Basically to add their batteries as on-line storage to an up-&-running functional system

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

In Short, Yes.. Our batteries are compatible with the mass majority of Inverters on the market but if you are installing in a residential area - we recommend UL-9540A Certified Solutions (Inverter & Battery).

@mrsrhardy 8 дней назад

Battery costs have dropped to

@rionbuss 9 дней назад

I'm surprised this company is beating Tesla. This is the best part when the companies are fighting to make a Better, Cheaper product. 🤑

@grahamcampbell8297 9 дней назад

Are these batteries and inverter available for sale and installation in Thailand? I’m a retiree living in Chiang Mai.

@gwgans 9 дней назад

What jurisdictions allow the customer to arbitrage electricity rates?

@poporbit2432 9 дней назад

Why not use your cyber trucks battery to do the same thing?

@howard3189 8 дней назад

With the inverter it's $10690 and you have to do the work, with the power wall it's $12000 but you get a 30% tax break so $ 8400 Equals a $2000 savings going with Tesla

@BigBattery 7 дней назад

Just so you know, you also get the 30% Federal Tax Credit with our system!

@bru512 9 дней назад

Has the proven long term reliability of Tesla's solution been considered into the TOC (Total Cost of Ownership)?

@rustyfox81 9 дней назад

Where are the LFP batteries made ?

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

86% of all lithium batteries are made in China. Much of this manufacturing is coming back to the USA now due to Tariff & IRA. We have opened a 310,000/SF cell MFG facility in Dallas TX where we plan on producing 280Ah LFP Cells. The goal is 100% Made In The USA.

@rustyfox81 7 дней назад

@@EricLundgrenCEO thanks for response !!! 👍

@EricLundgrenCEO 7 дней назад

@@rustyfox81 Anytime,, listening to our customers is the only way to build a better product.. We want America's Energy Independence and aim to support that by driving down the prices of these systems. I want our solutions to be seamless to install and designed to last 12-15 years. In a few years we will introduce NA+ salt batteries driving the cost down even more. Thank you for your support RustyFox : )

@astewart1900 9 дней назад

Reportedly Powerwall 3 uses LFP batteries.

@JAIMEC 9 дней назад

9 grand for a 10kw battery with inverter is not better than a powerwall 3

@dhageman8 9 дней назад

If you have a power wall can you expand it with this system?

@aljohnson9119 9 дней назад

You missed a lot. First, you can't connect that system to the grid without a Gateway Disconnect. Second, if your battery is full, your solar will no longer produce power. Many jurisdictions will not allow you connect to the grid w/o an electrician. You need to reveiw the National Electrical code. Not doubting the battery pricing, but there are number of steps you missed. Additionally, Tesla Power walls work along with your Tesla Connector and Solar system to automatically adjust the charge (amps) to your car(s) to onlly charge on solar. Some Power Companies do not allow Power Shifting (i.e. Souther Co's -- AL, GA) Power shiffting is charging your battery in off peak as you discribed and using it for peak time. I admire your fortutude, but this could be a dangerous recomendation to your audience. 240VAC at 2 and 3 phase inputs to your home is not a DIY project. Carefull!!

@CryptoNut82 9 дней назад

I do this myself with signature solar products but you guys arent including the price of the inverter too when comparing to PW3. That being said, id do this setup over tesla too, just because the battery chemistry is LFP, much safer and longer lasting