I think with the I Care clip in the belting segment youve overlooked her intentionally employing a raspy vocal treatment as an attempt to impart passion/soul in the performance. So that was a bit unfair to use that instance as an example of how she sings that note as standard. Plenty of other D5s that wouldve been more representative of her vocal ability on that note and thus making your great analysis even more accurate.
@@dawudjibreel6075 well kindly link those great D5s so i can give my analysis on them and the I care D5 i don't think it was intentional cuz she already cracked in the baby part then continued
@@allykelly It was definitely stylistic in my opinion. Shes a technician and perfectionist and would never put that out there if it wasnt intentional. Plus said clip stands as an outlier to her many other D5s so to use it as an example of how she produces D5s is flawed. Other examples are 2mins 38 secs into this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OhrrGu2rcZ4.html and 1 min 17 secs into this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QyJgXDdeIGY.html
@@dawudjibreel6075 well the world perfectionist is a screech. Crack can't be used as an excuse as a stylistic She get tense, squeezed and strain those are her issues even very great vocalists also experienced it and those D5s are decent just like some green Labelled notes in this vid
@ally kelly The sarcasm is unnecessary. You're a content creator. You gotta be open to criticism and take it in good faith, especially where I approached you politely, bringing up a genuine concern with a reasonable explanation. Zero fanaticism or bias here. I just think choosing what is arguably a stylistically approached note and using that as a part of your analysis diminishes the overall efficacy and accuracy of said analysis. Especially when Beyonce isn't known to crack and sound gravelly. If said sound isn't a standard or common reflection for her, then how is it relevant in a vocal analysis? You annotated the clip by questioning was she sick? If you thought that was a possibility, then said clip perhaps shouldn't have been used as a part of an analysis on how she generally sings. It would be an outlier and therefore irrelevant. Not coming for you, so if my tone in any of this makes you defensive then forgive me, just giving feedback
I think her new album really showcases her vocal agility and range she is a beast and we still haven't seen everything she always has some hidden part of her voice she brings out.
In my opinion, she is underrated because people love to put her below vocalists. She's superior; the Adele vs. Bey discussion earlier this year shows that people tend not to give her credit, especially those unfamiliar with vocals.
Great video showing her strength and weakness. Incredibly strong lower register for a soprano, hv is gorgeous and great, just like her belts. Her runs are mesmerizing, i feel like she can do any type of run. The dynamics are out of this world. She's also a master at vibrato, growls and drives. But ofc she has some issues like you stated in this video, often too underrated or too overrated but she's actually one of the best in her generation and a really well rounded and solid vocalist, we can see she took her time with her instrument
Excellent analysis She's literally one of the best vocalists Of all time And I appreciate that you mentioned that she's classically trained (not self-taught)
I really loved the whole thing, so detailed! I think her low notes are great when she’s not moving haha the choreo really steals her breath and stamina maybe but it’s still very impressive how she manages to sound amazing, usually her best notes are when she’s just standing still or sitting that’s what I noticed…you covered all the points again, both good and bad. I’m really a big fan of her use of dynamics and different vocal textures like the growl. Love her runs especially the ‘ego’ one and the Arabic style she does, but sometimes they don’t sound natural like Mariah or Tori but very rehearsed when they have the same ascending-descending scale patterns…don’t know how to explain that😅 but her agility is top notch for sure. For the 5th octave head voice I like the vibrato she adds it’s so pretty. Overall she’s a great vocalist who has inspired so many singers, not to forget also a great performer…it’s not easy to do what she does. Every singer has their negatives and positives, it’s normal…she’s human too so people shouldn’t get offended if her negative points are being discussed upon too...It doesn’t take away the fact that she’s still very good.😅 superb video!
You always have the loveliest comment thank you I tried my best to find great, good, decent, bad for each notes but at least i did some. And your assessment on Beyonce are true she's a performer not a standing still singer but overall she's one of the most talented performer and artist of all time
@@allykelly she’s already one of the greatest vocalists to walk the earth but if she put all the energy she put into performing into her voice she’d have the potential to exceed the Trinity because even as she’s not part of the Trinity, there’re strengths she has over each of them.
Yess I love when people do I hate that nobody reacts or analyzes beys voices and videos they always do it to people who sing her songs I can’t wait for your video
@@allykelly Yeah there is no doubt on that, especially her lows nowadays are better compared to her youth. I just love when she's on her beast mode 🤩 Anyways Good Video like usual !!!
@@michaelsliders3421 She's in her prime now. Post pregnancy Bey is a different beast. Her 2000s and early 2010s vocals have tons of valsalva and lack chest development.
She’s underrated by the public because Beyoncé does not have a true song that showcases her a one-of-a-kind singer (ie., Whitney, Mariah, Celine, even Adele) love on top, listen, among other songs don’t depict her as true singer! That’s why people underestimate her
@@GarageStudio7 I think it’s because she doesn’t produce scores and scores of ballads, most likely due to timing. She became prominent when the ballad era was fading. And her musical style is 20-30% ballad and 70-80% uptempo. If Beyonce debuted in the 90s we’d have gotten a classic that’s mightier than Listen or Halo. She’s already proven to us that she could produce great power ballad. Her voice is emotive enough to pull that off but I know she’ll never do that.
@@squarcircle2254 But someone like Ariana Grande doesn't give us ballad after ballad after ballad but the general public recognizes her as phenomenal vocalist. I really thought listen would do it plus it was backed by a major movie but most focused on Jennifer Hudson's vocal performance.
@@GarageStudio7 the general public also recognizes Beyonce as a phenomenal vocalist (and she’s a much superior vocalist to Ariana). But like Beyoncé, Ariana is recognized more as a performer with a whistle register (which is where the majority of the “phenomenal vocalist” you talked about comes from). The average person thinks whistle register = phenomenal vocalist, the end. My point is that Beyonce (and vocalists like Tori, sorry Ariana) would be recognized as even more so, if she debuted in the 90s power ballad era. There was greater attention on JHud for 3 reasons: 1) The story was about Effy, the underdog, who was the MC of the movie (and not Deena). 2) Deena’s character was based off of Diana Ross and it was revealed that they wanted Beyonce to strip back her vocals to resemble Diana’s dainty, much less powerful vocals. That’s why her vocals were so so light in the movie. 3) JHud’s a far greater actress than Beyoncé, so her acting would be more gripping (though Beyoncé’s portrayal of Diana Ross as Deena, especially in the audition video, found here on YT, was almost Oscar-worthy).
@@squarcircle2254 I know she's a technically a superior artist but I've heard more people in the general public belittling Beyonce's vocal talent than Ariana's vocal talent. Same as Tori Kelly. Jojo and so on. Yebba as well. You have a point about Beyobce stripping back her vocals but many have noted that she actually didn't strip it back to match the character because not only were her vocals still impressive but she was given a ballad like Listen and that wasn't soft at all which was supposed to be her moment as well. It also didn't match the character because apparently Deena was supposed to have a subpar voice. People were moved by Jennifer Hudson because she has the kind of voice that moves people it's as simple as that. If they gave that same part to Ciara, Alicia Keys and so on, it wouldn't have had the same impact. Many have even commented that Jennifer Hudson's name wasn't even in the movie posters. That's how obscure she basically was then. If it was someone like Whitney playing Deena and giving a song like Listen, best believe most would have hailed her rendition. Also, it's not like Beyonce's listen isn't popular because it truly is but for some reason most aren't as moved as they are with voices like Jennifer's.
Great video,u were speaking ur opinion so 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿 As for me, Beyoncé's vibrato is more than just nice😂😂 It's one of her best vocal qualities , followed with her riffs and runs and her vocal dynamism😱😱😱. Ppl sleep on Beyoncé's vocal dynamics and it's such a shame considering how well and consistent she is with it.I would love for her to do a Falsetto heavy and head voice song cuz I don't hear it enough! Other than that great video 💯
She's the most complete vocalist of this generation with excellent development in all her registers which allows here to seamlessly tranistion up and down her registers with impeccable ease. Her musical IQ is pretty good too
I'd not say her development in all registers are EXCELLENT cuz there are still technical flaws but regardless she has no weak registers and fairly developed
Definitely. I also think you could have also included this D5 as an example. It's probably one of her best ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QyJgXDdeIGY.html at 1:18
*A beautiful vocal beast* ✨ She might be overrated to by/to some but overall, she deserves much more renown as a vocalist especially with the masses/general public. To this day, I wonder what it is about her tone that is so polarizing and why people state that she is not emotive. 10:03 10:18 This has been widely regarded as supported/'free' and I was skeptical about it because of the grainy texture even though Beyonce's voice doesn't naturally have that quality. Intriguing analysis, AK 👍
Thanks for the feed back bey is either overrated or underrated but still a great vocalist regardless And about those C#6s im always confused how do people find those free/supported when those are shouted, grainy
@@allykelly "Bey is either overrated or underrated but still a great vocalist regardless" you summarized it excellently 👏 As for those C#6s & Eb6, maybe someone can fill us in because I still don't hear it especially compared to her other supported/free notes.
Imma huge Beyonce fans I love all the things that comes with her voice but I like about it most is that her voice became stronger than when she was with Destiny's child and it still sound stronger today!!!! other artists loose their voice but not Bey and thats what I love about her she takes really goof care of her voice. And I also love when she do opera omgggggggg its amazingggg!
Beyoncé is phenomenal she is one of the most well rounded singers in the industry and her skill is nearly unmatched today. Do you think she deserves the star rating that she is rated at?
I loved your video and I was waiting for it for so long. Anyways I think 14 mins are not enough to analyze her full abilities. She is next to Celiné one of the most „all arounded“ vocalists (in pop music) meaning she is very great at very register. Like there is no bad or weak register of them. Anyways her Dynamics which are comparable to Whitney‘s or Celinés and her melisma-singing comparable to Mimis makes her lowkey their vocal-daughter lol.
A technician that is one of the best out there! This iconic woman has developed all her registers. She has shown consistency in her belts up to her iconic F5. She is now in her vocal prime. Her post pregnancy voice has one of the most developed M1s out there today. Incredible vocalist.
@@nomore9686 I’ve always noticed E5 is arguably the worst note in her range, never quite could understand why as Beyoncé has always had control over her passagio.
The fact that she can produce vocals of this elk while in motion makes her as excellent as people say. The retention of her technique while she’s dancing was unheard of. She sings & dances simultaneously compromising neither to accommodate the other. There’s a level of athleticism in her performing that in my opinion Michael Jackson didn’t even have.
Beyoncé DOES lipsyncing most of the time, a good part of this video has performances that she lipped, it doesn't take away that the vocals are hers but she uses it a lot in shows and performances. She never sang that I care bridge live, even at Coachella. When she sings live she's always playing with her voice it's easier to notice it
Beyonce is one of the best vocalists! To me she's consistent up to Eb3/E3 and she has C3 at her best. I love how her belts from 2013 and up how much more core and development. Her voice just has so much depth and beauty nowadays! She got rid of the valsalva issues she had when she was younger! She has the head voice of a Goddess!
she sings very well but I find her tone flat.. I'm sorry but she doesn't have the voice of the trinity, she doesn't have a ring in her voice.. maybe here I heard the powerful c#5 possibly but in general i find her voice lacking core, a bit like lara fabian
@@swingriah6537 yes I understand what you are saying but she lacks core when she hits the note she is not as punchy as celine houston and maria too .. she lacks that
basically she is strong in all registers, possibly even more well-rounded than the vocal trinity. Great lows, great belts, great head voice, incredible agility, great vocal dynamics, great breath support, great vibrato, great intonation, even while dancing. The only reasons why some people don’t consider her at the level of the vocal trinity are: -she’s younger than them and some people are reluctant to give newer artists the legend status -she doesn’t have as many power ballads as the other 3 have -she is more well-known as a performer and this diverts the focus from her sheer vocal brilliance -while she does have a beautiful warm, womanly tone it may be not as distinctive as Whitney’s (she was the voice, she had an incredible soulful and energetic voice), Mariah’s (her airy, breathy vocals are unique, often imitated but never duplicated) and Celine’s (her slightly nasal, elegant tone makes her instantly recognisable). Beyoncé always sounds perfect but maybe she lacks a bit of a distinctive element, even though that’s subjective. However with her nearly perfectly executed 4 octaves and her consistency as a vocalist, I’d say she is possibly the most well rounded of all of them and imo she DEFINITELY belongs with the legends, alongside Aretha, Patti, Celine, Mariah, Chaka, Whitney etc etc
Tbh I disagree with some of this. Her belts aren't great same with her hv She's definitely better than Mariah but not better than Celine or Whitney. Bey hardly open up in her mid range and rather sounds more narrowed and brighter and her hv above A5/Bb5 get pushed, and aspirate the best feature of her vocal is definitely agility and the second is her lows and her dynamic
@@allykelly alert: I went rant mode because I got a bit triggered about Mariah, sorry for the length of the comment. **************** I think that Bey has a great chest voice/mixed voice. She can go from a f2 to a g#5, and she keeps an even, balanced mix even at g#5, which is remarkable for a mezzo. It’s more than 3 octaves prior to switching to head voice. It’s more than Whitney (who goes from c3 to g#5 and tends to sound overly chesty at the upper extreme) and even more than Celine (she goes from b2 to c6, but above a5 she’s very heady, not really balanced). Her head voice is great, it’s technically good up to at least c6 and it’s also very extensive, she’s able to go up to a f6. She has 4 octaves overall which is more than Celine or Whitney and she’s good in all the important areas. I didn’t say that she is better than them, just perhaps a bit more well-rounded (Whitney’ lower register wasn’t as extensive as Bey’s, and Celine has a bit less range than Bey and less ease in the lows below e3). That being said Celine and Whitney have their own strenghts and uniqueness, they are different from Bey, I didn’t say better or worse, they are all exeptional. Also, I don’t like the way you put Mariah as below Celine or Whitney. Mariah may have been technically inconsistent in belts above f5 (she is far from being the only one though), her head voice may not be as strong as Whitney’s or Celine’s and she may have the tendency to over-lower the larynx when going in the 2nd octave, but still… it’s remarkable that she can sing in the second octave at all (she even sang You And I in the original key while keeping her tone, that’s a huge accomplishment for a woman) and she’s technically proficient down to a e3 (which is almost as good as Celine), she still has had many good belts above e5 (and she usually has an open, ringing sound and she is always pleasant to hear, to most people anyway), her head voice is still decent and tbh her airy tone fits her style even though it’s not very operatic, and she has 1.5 octave of well controlled whistle register, that neither Whitney or Celine or Beyoncé possess. At the end of the day she has 3 octaves of chest/mixed voice (g2-g5) and 5 octaves of overall range, which is incredible. You think that range matters less than technique and to an extent I agree, but range and ease also matter and there’s no denying that Mariah has (or had) them in spades. You cannot simply dismiss Mariah’s ability to sing in the lower 3th octave and the 2nd octave and her whole whistle register as gimmicks achieved via questionable techniques, those are remarkable abilities that deserve praise, even if she doesn’t always use a totally healthy technique. Also while she may not have used many vocal dynamics she did use some (her pianissimo in the Never Too Far whistle for instance is drastically different from the strong whistles in Emotions), she has good volume control, she knows when to go full trhottle and when to sing softly. She also has a good breath control when she is in good vocal shape (her 20 seconds long note in Lead The Way with that incredible run is one of the most difficult sustained note ever recorded in mainstream music). More importantly, she is the one who experimented the most with vocal textures and vocal transitions, switching from her breathy vocals to her deep, womanly vocals, alternating falsetto, crystal clear 5th octave belts, whistles, dark lows and switching from a register to the other with ease. Her whisper register basically laid the basis of what is the modern pop girl’s sound, and she popularised whistle register. She herself changed her sound multiple times (from her more aggressive sound of the debut, to her airy/girly sound in Daydream, to her raspy tone in Butterfly, to her mature sound in the 2000). She is arguably the one who experimented the most with her voice and she is the one with the most creative runs besides Beyoncé. Her problem is that she didn’t manage to preserve her voice that well due to her nodules but her legacy as a vocalist and as a songwriter as well is undeniable and tbf this doesn’t come across through your video about Mariah: you make her seem like an average singer glossing over her strenghts (tone manipulation, whistle register and range, above all), when she is considered by most one of the best vocalists of all time (in her prime), with arguably the hardest catalogue of the trinity: Whitney and Celine can cover each other’s songs but they cannot cover Mariah’s hardest songs, even if it was just for the whistle register and the tone manipulation that they require. I appreciate the fact that you have the balls to pin point vocal flaws even in the most renowned vocalists, but I feel like you’re at times too harsh on critiques and too restrained in compliments, with a tendency to overlook things such as range, ease and style, which also matter. Technique isn’t the only thing that defines a vocalist. But anyway that’s my opinion. That being said I don’t mean to discredit your videos, I appreciate the amount of detail that you put into them, I just feel like you’re a bit too harsh on some artists and that you tend to overlook some abilities, unless they are achieved via perfect technique
@@icydelight3693 I'm not being hard I'm being objective as possible Beyonce never had any big sound moments like Celine and Whitney. Bey can go lower but the fact that quantity
@@allykelly I think her g#5 actually sounds like a belt, and a balanced one, not too heady nor too chesty, while to me Whitney sounds too chesty at those highs, and Celine sounds almost like mask head voice in her highest belts. Also while not as colossally powerful as Whitney or Celine, I think that Beyoncé still has good projection in all registers and has more than enough power to deliver a power ballad, which is something that she did more than once. Also I think that she could out low Celine on any given day (just like Celine could outsing her in high belts). Anyway let’s just agree to disagree. You think that Beyoncé and Mariah are overrated, I think you are relatively close minded because you value technique over everything else and you fail to fully appreciate some artists’ greatness. It also seems like you have a bias against Mariah, because you arbitrarily chose to give little value to some aspects which happen to be her strenghts (whistle registers, lower notes, range etc etc). To me quantity matters. If you can sing well but only a limited numbers of notes, I may grow bored after a while (that’s not Celine or Whitney’s case, let it be clear). I tend to be more intrigued by someone who can cover many notes and many different vocal styles even if it’s not that technically flawless (as long as they sound good), because there’s more room for creativity. Divergence of opinions, it’s ok, we don’t have to agree, let’s just respect each other’s point of view
@@icydelight3693 her G#5 is just a shout and it sounds thin and throaty. Also masked hv doesn't exist in vocal science/vocal pedagogy it doesn't really matter when Celine has better quality from D4-G#5 in belting range than bey. Being objective has nothing to do with closed minded. The fact that people think Beyonce is one of the best vocalist of all time which isn't not even trinity there are many vocalists who are better than them
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Thank you so much for this video 💖✨ The tone of Bey's upper belts reminds me of Whitney's tone in upper belts tbh! Bey's definitely one of the best ever. I'm joyfully waiting for Lisa Fischer's vocal analysis!
Naw her Consistent range is from C#3-F5-D6 Beyoncé is notorious in the vocal community for having some of the best & most consistently well supported F5 belts in contemporary music. Also she was never a soprano. And I disagree with you saying “her runs can be messy when excessively done”. Beyoncé has never messed up a run in her career. You can argue with saying that back in her Destiny’s Child days that her runs were over-done musically but if we’re talking about pitch, fluidity, accuracy Then they’ve always been on point and flawlessly executed in that regard
Again with this innacurate and outdated kva terminology 😪😪 Bey was naturally a soprano her voice was never dense and weighty enough to be considered as mezzo even Whitney had the similar timbre You have to explain about how many foggy and unclear D3s even some Eb3s, tense D5-F#5 and shrill Bb5-Eb6 notes Beyonce never mess with precision it's just that her musicality make it seems like out of place and messy
@@allykelly Why does everybody wants someone to be a soprano? Are you naturally thinking, that mezzo can't hit really high notes with just GREAT technique. You just said Faouzia is a soprano, just because she belts the 5th octave with ease, and the agility around with her sharped G#5's. You are clearly understimating every mezzo sopranos ability. Even male singers are hitting G#5 - B5 in heady mix/masked head voice. How much for female singers who have higher ranges than male. They can for surely hit 5th octave belted notes perfectly just by great technique. Easiness doesn't always mean comfort. Beyonce's headvoice is operatic due to whatever training she had. But it sounds too full for a soprano. You guys are always understimating mezzo's power, comparing some pop singers who are mezzos that can't belt around 5th octave, due to BAD technique. It's all about the technique after all.
@@Haru-ml6gi nope Beyonce is not a mezzo same with faouzia too they just have natural ease to sing lows well their middle voice aren't as dense as the other mezzos. When did i say mezzos can't hit high notes cite me there Also masked head voice is irrelevant term it doesn't exist
@@allykelly Because they are both coloratura mezzos, they are tend to be light and more agile, Let's base their headvoice from the start it sounds full, than a typical soprano. It takes much more energy for them to hit belted high notes than sopranos.
@@Haru-ml6gi coloratura means the vocalist should be able handle operatic ornaments or flourishes, having agility has really nothing to do with being a coloratura
The thing with Beyoncé when I watch her I don’t even care for the performance (even though she on some other shit) I want people to talk about her vocals and they don’t even do that.
Beyoncé is SUPERIOR Vocally The only thing that makes people not view her or put her in the same level as Whitney and Mariah and the rest is TONE. Her TONE except in Her Lower Register (😍😍😍) and her Head Voice (😍😍😍) is rather BLAND. Her Lower Register and Head Voice are literally the most colorful parts of her voice. Her Vibrato is also Top Tier but because of how thin and lacking in sheer rawness and conveyance of emotion in THE BELTING REGISTER HER TONE HAS, People don't consider her as great as Whitney, Mariah and The greats. Her belting range while being technically solid and well placed lacks the sheer raw power and warmth Whitney's has, and it surely lacks the vibrant ring, airy tone and glimmering resonance Mariah's has. Celine has a smaller Voice than Whitney and Mariah but her belting range cuts through with glass like clarity and resonance due to her slight nasal backing. Beyoncé 's belts are not filling. They are executed well technically but are totally underwhelming and devoid of sheer power and that's why she inserts alot of growling, which adds the soulful drive but doesn't make her voice sound anywhere near as powerful as even when Mariah growled in Make it Happen in 2010 here (even Mariah with a problematic voice has a richer tone than Beyonce)👇 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tTUct7OiGXk.html Or even here which is a 2nd night after that show above: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0rkipbGZHpM.html Beyoncé's best E5s don't even match up in tone and sheer power to that
!yes I agree with you, for me she does not have this ring that we have the 3 dion houston and carrey she lacks a little brute force. She reminds me a bit of Lara Fabian, I think. super singer but not at the level of the other 3, beyoncé is a great singer yes but apart from this thing that the other 3 have
your review is great Celine has a smaller voice than Whitney and Mariah, but her range of belts cut with glass-like clarity and resonance due to her slight nasal support. I am in total agreement with your speech I even use your speech to explain what I feel ... not easy without deep knowledge
@@celiniac she said Beyonce's chest voice or low note is her strongest but we all have seen bey grow into a better or stronger chest voice and also Beyonce is known for for her high chest voice and head voices so I don't think one part of her voice is strongest I think their all perfectly mature
@@allykelly o Thank you but I just couldn't agree with you when you said bey's chest or low note was her strongest cause I think most of what she's none for is her high chest or head voice in songs like halo, irreplaceable, if I were a boy and so on
I love Beyonce, her voice is phenomenal, her stage presence is second to none, she can dance her butt off and her work ethic is James Brown/MJ level. JMO but I think she needs to can the "pop star" circus act which is too focused on generating sales. I believe this is why her VOICE doesn't get enough respect. I'd like to see her settle down as she moves into her prime, take some risks and put focus on her vocal artistry as a straight up R&B singer. Perhaps on occasion venture a bit into other genres (Jazz, Blues, Gospel, Country, Folk) for duets or fun and versatility.
@@allykelly i mean you can oversing without being messy and are you referring to the old Beyoncé from the 90’s/00’s cause she’s not singing like that anymore. Cause i mean pointing out her old weakness from over 10 years ago seems a bit pointless
@@Li-xb1mw well over singing means your messing with the melody not just about notes separation 10 years ago isn't that like her prime or peak vocally? Do u think it's a good idea for analyzing Whitney Houston for using her 2000s materials?
@@allykelly peak or not it doesn’t matter cause if its something that she used to do but she doesn’t do it anymore it feels pointless to point it out yk. Unless you point it out but then say she doesn’t sing like that anymore. Whit Whitney its the opposite cuz due to her heatlh condition her singing deteriorate so it makes sense to only talk about her younger self peak. But with Beyoncé she gets better over the year. So that’s why i said that saying that she saying that she oversing implies that she still sing the same way she did in the past.
@@Li-xb1mw well we're talking about agility bey's agility is always been great nothing changes except she riffs less aggressive now. And ofc it matters because i have my own criteria you can make your own analysis that fits your criteria Bey's issue in agility doesn't take away her proficiency so
Just watched some videos on Rihanna’s” best vocals” how do some people even compare them?!? Such an insult to Bey lol. That’s just haters who don’t have a clue who she is/what she’s about.
yes some note looks like withney houston this is true .. but houston her tone was also brighter and more nuance I think deeper and above and even sometimes on the middle notes more piercing..much more weight and core.
Beyonce itu luar biasa salah satu diva dengan vocal star. Dia sangat powerfull dan juga flexible. Setuju atau tidak, ini hanya pendapat pribadi saya. Beyonce adalah coloratura mezzo-soprano. Disepanjang kariernya bernyanyi, ia tidak pernah belt Bb5. Menurut saya lagi, untuk dapat disebut soprano minimal harus dapat belt Bb5 (Ya, video ini tdk mengatakan beyonce adlh soprano). Karena jika bukan soprano yg melakukannya lalu siapa?! Nada terbaik beyonce ada dibawah F5. Saya coba bandingkan dengan diri saya. Saya telah latihan bernyanyi sejak sepuluh tahun yg lalu. Menyadari sy adalh seorang Baritone. Di hari terburuk, saya masih dapat melakukan belt hingga F#4, di hari normal (dalam keadaan fit) G4 bisa didapat walau tidak long sustained, di hari terbaik (Extra) saya bisa belt hingga Bb4 dengan G4 - A4 bisa long sustained. Walau dapat belt hingga Bb4 saya tdk pernah melabeli diri sy seorang tenor karena sy tidak pernah bisa belt hingga C5 dimana itu standarnya tenor. Diatas F#4 (G4 - Bb4) adalah nada² yg sulit untuk saya capai di hari normal saya. Dimana hal tersebut tidak berlaku untuk tenor dihari normalnya walaupun ia adalh seorang dramatic tenor. Sebagai tambahan melakukan multiple note diatas F4 (misal G4) secara continue dalam satu lagu dengan open vowels adalah hal yg sulit untuk baritone di hari normalnya walau memungkinkan di hari terbaiknya. Hingga saat ini saya saya tidak pernah bisa belt diatas Bb4. B4 hingga Eb5 saya heady sehingga terdengar kurang powerfull. Dimana area itu merupakan area bersinarnya para tenor. Meskipun saya dapat memperpanjang range dengan Mix (Masked HV) hingga Bb5.
Mohon maaf ni coloratura itu gak relevan diluar Opera. Kalau Beyonce itu mezzo soprano kenapa mid range dia gak sebesar trinity? Suara alami nya aja lumayan terang dan feminine sementara mezzo kaya Etta James, Judy Garland, Leny Eversong mereka lebih besar di depth. Beyonce itu cuma soprano dengan lower register yang bagus
@@allykellyBukankah anda sendiri yg menggunakan istilah "coloratura" saat membahas lisa fischer yg dimana ia adalah penyanyi r&b diluar klasik. balik lagi ke beyonce, sekalipun sama di mezzo atau sama² di alto suara tiap orang itu berbeda gk akan sama besarnya. Terdengar besar karena tekniknya bernyanyi entah saya gk tau. Cuma yg saya tau beyonce itu beltnya kuat banget antara nada A4 sampe D5. Mulai dari C5 nada hardnya beyonce dimulai dimana itu gk berlaku untuk soprano. Suaranya beyonce saat dia ngomong juga gk sefeminin dari beberapa soprano yg saya tau. Ada vocal weight dan berbagai aspek lainnya untuk mengklasifikan suara seseorang. Saya mendapatkan kata "Coloratura Mezzo-soprano" dari literatur yg saya baca. Dari pengkritik. Sy setuju dengan hal itu karena tessitura beyonce ada di rangenya mezzo dan flexibilitynya itulah yg membuat saya setuju dengan penambahan kata coloratura walau saya tau itu tdk relevan digunakan diluar musik klasik sama halnya 'full lyric, light' dsb. Jangan lupa bahwa kita juga bisa meluaskan vocal dengan latihan. Vocalnya beyonce efective di range nya mezzo. Saya mengatakan hal ini karena saya juga bernyanyi dan melakukan berbagai teknik untuk mengakali range utama saya. Sy tdk pernah setuju dengan pendapat yg mengatakan beyonce adalah soprano. Beyonce tdk pernah menjadi soprano. Hal itu juga berlaku untuk Jessie J, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston hingga penyanyi country carrie underwood. Tapi sekali lagi saya tdk ingin ada keributan/perbebatan yg tdk sehat, Saya tdk memaksakan pendapat saya, saya hanya berusaha menjelaskan kenapa beyonce menurut sy adalah mezzo. Saya menghargai pendapat anda.
@@BADVOICE_X Lisa Fischer itu beda lagi Dia emang bener bener dilatih buat jadi coloratura soprano Beyonce ga ada sama sekali. Tone colour ga menjamin soal voice classification, Mariah Carey suara bicara nya bahkan lebih deep dari Beyonce tapi dia light soprano
@@allykellyBaik. Lisa fischer di latih untuk jadi "Coloratura". Sy tau di head voicenya yg "operatic" tapi dia nyanyi di luar klasik. Jika operatic adalah alasan dari itu maka Kelly clarkson dan juga Jonalyn Viray dari phillipines juga coloratura soprano. Ya, sy tau tone colour tdk menjadi penentu voice classification, itu kenapa sy bilang diawal "mungkin tekniknya". Dulu sy mengganggap Jennifer Hudson adalh Mezzo tapi seiring berjalannya waktu dia membuktikan dirinya adalh soprano dengan Bb5 B5 dan C6 Mix belt. Taylor Swift vokalnya lemah kita tau itu. Lagunya Love Story (saat usianya 20) membuat saya berpikir dia sopran tapi waktu membuktikan dia mezzo. F#5 hingga G5 begitu memaksa hingga hampir hilang. Mariah Carey menurut saya mezzo dia diberkati whistle yg indah karena punya "nodules", bahkan dia sendiri bahkan bilang kalau dia seorang alto dan mengatakan temannya whitney adalah mezzo. Baik soprano maupun mezzo keduanya punya kesempatan yg baik untuk membunyikan whistle. Sy sebagai baritone bisa bunyikan whistle walau koneksinya buruk. Jika suatu hari Beyonce mampu melakukan beltnya or mix beltnya hingga Bb5, super fast tdk perlu long sustained, Sy akan mengakui Beyonce adalah soprano dan tdk akan sy rubah selamanya.
@@BADVOICE_X maaf ni Kelly Clarkson ga ada operatic quality. Aku belum pernah denger Jonalyn ngelakuin classical ornaments di hv seperti Lisa. Jennifer Hudson itu typical soprano yang suaranya besar jadi dia itu dramatic soprano. Vivian Reed aja setuju dia bilang suara nya mirip sama jhud. Mariah bilang diri sendiri alto itu membuktikan bahwa pengetahuan tentang instrument dan vocal pedagogy nya sendiri kurang.
So i’m confused, what on a technical level separates Beyonce & Whitney? When I go back to your analysis of Whitney and the praises and issues you named, it seems like Beyoncé’s voice is more consistent and controlled technically, and they have closely the same range (Beyonce with more). It seems like the biggest difference that make people choose Whitney vocally in comparison to Beyonce is just the style and artistic choices made throughout.
Whitney has better technique and development on belting and head voice Whitney has bigger resonance and clarity bey has better lower register and agility
@@allykelly and overall? It seems like Beyoncé is more technical compared to trinity in general. Maybe I’m wrong. Those Messa Di Voice stuffs, her dynamics, her developed in each register, her breath management, the fact that she can do hard coreo while singing, the fact she growls some F5’s or even G5’s and comes back to clean vocals, her register switchings, her mixing-singing (which all of them used often) etc.
@@toshiro8997 umm well Celine vs Beyonce Lows : Celine Mid belt : Celine Upperbelt : tie Head voice : Celine Dynamic : bey Agility : bey Transition : bey Breath control : tie Vibrato : Celine Celine = 6 Beyonce=5 Whitney vs bey Lows : bey Mid belt : Whitney Upperbelt : Whitney Head voice : Whitney Agility : bey Dynamic : tie Transition : bey Breath control : tie Vibrato : tie Whitney=6 bey=5
She's naturally a soprano her voice before she had childbirth was so bright and delicate no depth like mezzoes and her being coloratura is because of her very agile voice She's now mezzo because her voice is very lowered
@@allykelly Okay. It makes sense I guess, I thought she was a soprano before knowing she's a "mezzo", so. Is just that coloraturas and agile voices in general tends to have ease in high notes
@@allykelly Would you say beyonce is one of those anomaly vocalists who are truly well-rounded like celine and morissette? I'm not a Beyoncé fan at all; I only like at max 5 songs of hers but she definitely is the best vocalist in their 40's which include kelly, sohyang and david phelps.
@@gdvvgdfv definitely! Beyoncé is one of the only vocalist at this time and from her time who can sing multiple genres easily and sound good and natural doing all of them including classical.
Beyoncé hasn’t been shrill since 2003. She has no issue with vowels considering she sings some of the hardest and “messy runs” is crazy considering she probably has the best agility mainstream has ever seen. And her lows are with ease. Lmao.
@@nomore9686 Has Jazmine done as many transitions, staccato etc. things like Beyonce. Maybe you're mainly talking about riffs & runs and not agility overall. Also isn't Beyonce's agility stronger on a technical level?
@@Undubbedriah umm not really Avery can open up better up to C5 he has vowel issue but his M1 has more weight than bey who is often light avery A4-C5 are enough to beat bey's best moments
@@allykelly hard disagree there, neither of them have that much weight in M1. Avery sounds extremely light and thin even at G4 most of the time. Bey sounds more chesty on D5-F#5 at the expense of her consistency
@@Undubbedriah well if that's what you hear them fine if u watch kaji's video on Avery there are heavy moments of him u can ask people in our community who has better ears than us like kaji and vocal archive they approved that Avery has more polished belting than bey
3:03 I don’t like her E3’s. People claim that she has an excellent lower register, but her deep notes are foggy and coreless, and even notes like E3’s are small and silent. Bb4 at 4:44 has issues. Bb4 at 5:11 has issues,too. D5 has issues. Still wondering why people claim that she has been a solid belter. Not really a solid one. Tension and constriction are obvious through the years. And with her reverberation on, she can mislead pretty easily. At 7:28 that yell amplified like a billion times!! You can find this note in most of her videos with tittle “Beyoncé : supported vocal range”😅😅 10:14 so much reverberation and that D6 is just bad. Nothing operatic about her head voice … At 9:47 she just “oooooos” with the mic far from her mouth and the reverberation is so huge that makes everything to sound “operatic and effortless”. Beyoncé needs to thank the machines for helping her to be one of the “most technical vocalists of all time “ … sarcasm
Yoyr entire post is PURE ASS LMFAAAAAAAAAAAAAO.......mental illness.. No amount of delusion is gonna bestow any merit onto tbe nonsense u spew.....PERPETUAL DELUSION
idk that i 100% agree but it is a great video regardless! i watched a couple compilation video of beyonce’s belts and head vocie and she seems pretty consistent up to F5 and some even resonant, but somehow her E5s she’s not so consistent with... she also seems pretty consistent up to C6/C#6, some even with resonance as well. as for her lows i think some people exaggerate lol but she seems consistent down to D3 to me. when it comes to contemporary vocalists, she’s definitely the best user of vocal dynamics. also one of the most agile singers out there. she might not exceed as much in certain areas as others but overall she’s the most well rounded and most skilled vocalist i can think of. you should do one of these for tinashe :)
Bey is always resonant (not talking about kva terminology) her consistency above Eb5/E5 is questionable imo she can get thin and shrill it's just that the reverb covered the true quality. And explain how is she consistent up to C6/C#6 in head voice when she can get thin even on higher 5th octave. And she can get foggy below Eb3/E3 I'll do Tinashe when I have enough material
@@allykelly she has her fair share of thin F5s but imo the amount that sound grounded or ringing outweigh the thin and shrill ones. i agree about her usage of reverb.
@@notyourdaddy2148 the ringing sounds are something that has to do with mechanical engineering, that's why her vocals were echoing, and also Her F5s were pretty nasal and her soft palate weren't raise properly so her correct consistent range is Eb3/E3-Eb5/E5-Bb5/B5
@@allykelly i can tell the difference between naturally ringing and reverb and i would still say some of her F5s are ringing, immediately i think of the dreamggirls medley F5s. most of her C6s and C#6s from resentment and 1 + 1 sound well grounded and some ringing too. i think a lot of the time they start “thin” or “whiney” as a stylistic choice because immediately adjusts the note. it’s not vast majority situation with her consistency but definitely most of them. i would give her D3 - F5 - C/C#6.
@@notyourdaddy2148 well there is a video of 100 F5s of bey and only 2/3 that sounds healthy with proper larynx most of Her F5s are strident. "Most of her C6s and C#6s from resentment and 1+ sounds well grounded and some ringing too" where? I mean she also has iffy and aspirate moments on A5-D6 it definitely limit her consistency since overpushing isn't healthy Resonance = optimal technique is irrelevant you can't use the outdated kva terminology that has been debunked many times
@@anarita6355soprano* and yea your voice type does change in certain situations but her voice type is still soprano but her voice has lowered and darkened.
she sings very well but I find her tone flat.. I'm sorry but she doesn't have the voice of the trinity, she doesn't have a ring in her voice.. maybe here I heard the powerful c#5 possibly but in general i find her voice lacking core, a bit like lara fabian but i love bb ^^ no probleme
She definitely has a core..she has no ring even tho her voice is developed..Lara has more core than Beyonce,you don't know Lara that much..she has better chest development than Beyonce and even Mariah from the Vocal trinity.
@@swingriah6537 the thing is Beyonce doesn't have well developed vowel shaping her belt mostly have tightness she can't even compete with Mariah on A4-C5 leave alone upperbelt. But at least she improved a lot in mid belt now
@@allykelly Beyonce belting technique is much better than Mariahs ever was. As much as I enjoy Mariah's singing over Beyonce's ANY DAY, we can't say Beyonce's A4-D5 is technically worse.
@@swingriah6537 Tbh the only era( more so year ) that I'm putting over Bey mids technically would be music box ( 1993 ). Please give me Mariah's voice any day but she has more issues in her A4-D5 range than Bey.
I think it’s interesting you compliment her head voice, but she only uses it for “ooh” sounds. It’s not a great head voice because she can slide up the scale into it. She has to jump into it and she can utilize it only for one vowel sound. She could never articulate an entire song in her head voice. This inherently limits her so-called agility because it’s only agile for one sound. This critique was so soft. Compare what she does to an opera singer who can vocalize every vowel sound in a high register.
You obviously don't understand her background in gospel most black singers have that background its not showy actually Ariana grande does too much for me.
