Beyond JFK :The Question of Conspiracy 

“ the government knows we know what happens …..and they don’t care that we know “. That’s fkn spooky

That last shot came from in front of the limousine. The footage don't lie. Oswald as the lone assassin is total hogwash.

I patiently sat through the hour and a half, having mistaken this film for another doc I remember that was far more sensible and critical of the assertions put forward in Stone's 'JFK'. But here's the thing: the shrugging off here of 'theories' of Soviet involvement in the assassination is just stunning. The present film skirted around any real detail concerning Oswald's Soviet connections. Oswald had been a radar operator in the Marines and had worked on bases from which the U-2 'spy plane' operated. Immediately upon his leaving active duty he defected to the Soviet Union. When he arrived in Moscow he visited the US embassy and angrily denounced the United States while turning in his US passport. He declared to embassy staff his intention to turn over to the Soviets any military information that may be of value to them. Obviously, there is much more to the story, but rather than try to synopsize it here, I'll recommend the exceptionally well-researched books of Edward Jay Epstein: 'Inquest: The Warren Commission and the Establishment of Truth (1966)' and 'Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald (1978)'. As well, read former Romanian intelligence chief Ion Mihai Pacepa's analysis, 'Programmed to Kill'. In the latter book, Pacepa points out that the notion that President Kennedy had been killed off by his own intelligence and law enforcement organs was central to the Soviet disinformation line promulgated in the aftermath of the assassination. Of course, the trouble with these books, from the standpoint of popular (gutter) media, is that they are actually grounded in reality.

JFK speeches at the beginning with the music and news reports and casket being shown with the fire burning like on his grave is eerie, cool, and sad

Great documentary! Glad to know it's included on the JFK Directors Cut video, which I bought.

Every clip of Gerald Ford, he repeats “ We said...”. Not “We found.” “The Warren Commission said...” His words are carefully chosen, in true lawyer-speak.

This is on the 2nd disc of Oliver Stones JFK directors cut.

This documentary is by Danny Schechter, not Oliver Stone as some viewers were led to believe. See minute 1:28:15.

An excellent movie, but after seeing footage of the real Jim Garrison, I wonder if John Lithgow should have played the role. Costner was great, but Garrison is taller than Costner and so is Lithgow.

At 40:39 the secret service agent is pointing out the indentation on the presidential limousine made by one of the bullets that were shot that day

Democracy has never recovered ....

It is what Fletcher Prouty said. " It doesn't reside in any single government nor in any single corporate institution. It seems to reside in a blending of the two. ". It is government agents and double agents with connections to mob affiliates with in turn ties to big business with in turn ties to government, both foreign and domestic. It is networks and networking. This is how you arrive at the multiplicity that ' the CIA did it ', then ' the Castro-ists ' did it ', then ' everyone in the Murchison mansion the night before did it ', ' the mafia did it '. And so on. None of them innocent. And they all wanted a lone nut from the lowest rung to take the rap. But that lowest rung still had connections.

Tommy Lee Jones stayed in character all the way as clay shaw lol how he looked and what he said at the beginning 😂

Imagine how much more legitimate the shooting would seem if they said oswald used a m1 garand.

Jim Marrs was a legend.

Ask yourself WHY can’t you buy the DVD or stream Oliver Stone JFK movie on Amazon? It won two Oscars in 1992: Best Picture and Best Director. Why would Amazon suppress it?

There is a lot of selective editing in this documentary. I've seen the full versions of many of the interviews where they would go on to qualify their statements, making them seem like less of a conspiracy.

Here is a question for you. Traficanti, and Trafficante are similar, no? They are related. The Traficanti in Chicago are not in the mafia. The Trafficante in Tampa were in the mafia. The Tampa folk kept an eye on the Chicago ones. Sam Giancana was a buddy of the Tampa fellow Santo Jr. The story about Marilyn M. Is that she died of an 11 times overdose of her prescription medications. But no gelatin capsules were in her stomach. And there were bruises on her butt. She received her overdose anally while held down. One guy on each limb. The fifth one delivered the liquids on a rubber sheet in the living room. When she died the body was moved to the bed, and posed Nude. In December, 1962, a 20 something hairdressers body was found in the Chicago River. Here is the question. What did the body of Marilyn have to do with the body of the hairdresser? Marilyn's house was bugged by Jimmy Hoffa. The guy in a neighbor's house heard the murder of Marilyn. Years later he was on his death bed and told what he heard from the living room at Monroe's house. Giancana and Trafficante were in a conspiracy. Chicago was where the first attempt to kill JFK occurred. Tampa was where the second attempt was made. The Dallas location is where the successful attempt completed the act. Oswald was in New Orleans in the Spring of 1963. There is a picture of a woman with him. She is Judyth Vary Baker. She wrote about "things" of that time: "ME AND LEE". If you want to know things about who the conspiracy members are, you may want to check up there. Now, the one thing to remember about the JFK murder is this. IT WAS A COUP. NO LONGER IS THE US CONCERNED WITH DIPLOMACY. WHEN YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT COUP. YOU KNOW ABOUT WHY OUR GOVERNMENT BOMBS WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN GAZA. IT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS FRANKLY NOT CONCERNED A WHIT ABOUT "COLLATERAL" DAMAGE.

Great movie one of oliver stone's best

spector destroyed by fellow PA lawyer Vince Salandra

winking Albert Thomas Ford admits moving wound 5 inches on death bed

Great documentary thank you for sharing.

There was at least one bullet hole near the top a little off to the passenger side. The bullet holes in the windshield disappeared. How? The car looked like a Lincoln. But while made in Detroit, it was a special car and not a commercial model. The windshield with bullet hole(s) in it was a problem. It put the lie to the Book Depository shooter baloney. On the Saturday of November 23, 1963 the manager of the Detroit group that was responsible for producing that car's windshield saw mysterious things going on. The limousine was flown to Detroit. The new special sized windshield replaced the one with the bullet hole(s) in it. There were two technicians that replaced the one with the problem holes. The manager asked where the windshield was with the holes in it. He also asked why they destroyed evidence in the case of the murder of John Kennedy, formerly PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Well, the story becomes obscure from that point on. The technicians ground up the windshield into fine sand like pieces. Today the limo has a perfect windshield. We still hear about the lone gunman, Oswald. But no one talks about how the so called lone gunman put one or two holes in the top part of the limo windshield. The geometry does not permit this feat. The Magic Bullet Theory is the Magic Baloney Horse dung story.

While I have great respect for those who've told the truth. We all know what happened but dont ever expect them to admit it. They know, dont care, and they know everyone knows. In the end it wont change a thing.

IDC what side of the JFK issue you stand on (59:00 - 59:10) is as absolutely correct as the sun will rise tomorrow morning. Oswald was used by Clay Show who was as Dean Andrews called him "the big enchilada". Why would millionaire businessman be hanging out w/ a .75cent/hr book stacker and drive him all the way from the French Qtr up the Clinton, La. and be seen by the town Marshal? LHO at the very least was used and though he was going to flown out of the country but ended up taking for fall for something he probably didn't even do.

Excellent

Best I've ever seen. It should be more widely known.

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ruby says the current president is who's responsible in hallway

Jean hill saying the car moved over to the left lane towards her, yet in the z film its not its in the middle lane ,so much was edited in all main 5 films taken that day, z film, nix film, Bell film, hughes film, muchmore film?

Walter Cronkite was a stooge.

Ruby blames LBJ in hallway

we need thousands buried as patsy surrounding the original Oz walled with CI/Jesus Angleton

Marina married Porter a Collins Radio do op

Do not know why oliver stone did not make sure that the vision looking through a scope from the fence line and also from the del tex bld positions would look like, after all if your going to point out facts based on official witness statements from that day, then the car stop and other aspects are shown, to prove it that it was more than a one man sniper position crossfire set up, also the biggest giveaway is the yellow curb painted on the south side of elm st is markers for the snipers?

i come from broken family so nothing i want or need to cover up

David Lifton never explained 3 things: a) how you switch bodies and caskets around inside the cramped, crowded confines of Air Force One without leaving a trace of blood anywhere and with the plane surrounded by onlookers at both airports b) how you safely approach scores of FBI, Secret Service, military personnel, doctors, ballistics experts, photographers, x-ray technicians, witnesses, etc. and persuade them to obey illegal orders to commit crimes, falsify evidence, perjure themselves across the board, and make themselves all loyal accessories to murder and treason c) why taking all the risks doing this was a better idea than just leaving well enough alone and saying Oswald must have had an accomplice who got away, which would have suited any conspiracy just fine...

The American Dream.

Case for Oswald's Guilt: Oswald owned the rifle. Oswald bought the rifle lone before JFK's Texas trip was thought of. Oswald knew the rifle was at the Paine house. Oswald showed up unexpectedly at the Paine house Nov. 21. Oswald did not arrive there with any package. Oswald was turned down for a reconciliation by his estranged wife. Oswald was cold as ice with Marina the rest of the night. Next morning Oswald left his wedding ring and money behind for his wife to find. Next morning Oswald suddenly possessed a package. Oswald's rifle simultaneously teleported itself to his next destination. A man was seen in the TSBD sixth floor window who could plausibly have been Oswald. No unidentified persons were ever caught in the TSBD. Oswald lied about his whereabouts during the shooting and the people he claimed he was with flatly denied ever seeing him. Oswald's print was on the rifle. Oswald's prints were on the sniper nest boxes in exactly the places they would be had he been firing from it. Most witnesses heard 3 shots. Most witnesses ID'd the shots as coming from the TSBD. Victims' reactions in the Zapruder film demonstrate 3 shots over 8-9 seconds. Marine Oswald scored 18 out of 20 in rapid fire at targets 200 yards away. Shooting was successfully recreated using Oswald's rifle. Victims' reactions in Z. film clearly demonstrate they are hit by one bullet. Stretcher bullet was matched to Oswald's rifle. If stretcher bullet was planted fake, it was planted by somebody who could not possibly have known a bullet needed planting at all or that he wasn't planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the plot. Victims' wounds line up on perfect trajectory to the window. View of entry wound on Connally's back would have been blocked by Kennedy's body, bullet has to have gone through him first. Stretcher bullet is in a condition consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling, and broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs: badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side. Kennedy suffers a massive, outward, explosive exit wound at the right temple inconsistent with a shot from the front or knoll. No bullets or fragments were ever found that didn't match to Oswald's rifle. Connally's said the shots all came from behind. Witnesses under the window said the shots all came from above. Anybody firing from behind the knoll fence would have been visible to several witnesses. Nobody would ever assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions. Autopsy shows the shots come from behind. Parkland doctors looked at the autopsy photos for NOVA in 1988 and had no particular problem with them. Oswald was the only employee *inside* the building to immediately flee. Oswald took evasive action to get to his other gun. Oswald ignored his cab driver and landlady when they spoke to him. A long and steady chain of witnesses (nearly a dozen ID'd him) demonstrate Oswald shooting Officer Tippit, fleeing, reloading, exchanging words with one, trying to hide from passing police, and ducking into the theater. Oswald was caught red-handed trying to shoot a cop. Oswald fought so violently 3 officers were injured just disarming him. Oswald, in custody asked if "they burn for murder," and when this was affirmed to him, he responded to police, "Well, they say it just takes a second to die." Bullets from Tippit's body were matched to Oswald's revolver. Oswald owned that revolver. Oswald was carrying that revolver. Oswald tried to use that revolver on Officer MacDonald. Oswald lied to police. Oswald refused to cooperate with investigators. Oswald slept like a baby in his cell. There is no evidence Oswald tried to blow any plot to one single cop. Oswald refused help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association pending whether he could get his first choice, a lawyer he'd never met living in another state who specialized in left-wing causes. Oswald acted so smug and placid when his family visited he even convinced his own brother he was guilty. Oswald, asked point blank on live TV if he shot Kennedy, shows no particular surprise, no horror, no outrage, doesn't scream a tearful denial, doesn't panic, doesn't beg protection for his family, doesn't make the slightest attempt to blurt out anything about any conspiracy, and instead just shrugs a hollow, rambling reply that all but dodges the question....

The witnesses embellished theit stories from what they said in 1963. The claims and assumptions in this film are bogus and refuted.

Beverly Oliver's claims: a) She was the "Babushka Lady." She was never able to provide and evidence or witnesses to back this up and photos demonstrate the real B. Lady was much, much older than Oliver would have been in 1963. b) She filmed the assassination with a Yashica Super-8 Zoom camera. No such camera existed in 1963. Oliver later hilariously lied that she had never made this claim in the first place, though she's on video tape doing just that. c) Her film was stolen from her by FBI agent Regis Kennedy. Kennedy was in New Orleans at the time she claimed this happened. d) She was introduced in Ruby's club by Ruby to his friend "Lee Oswald of the CIA." Yes, CIA operatives are always going around blowing their cover to strangers. e) Oliver's friend Janet Conforto witnessed the above incident and confirmed it to newspapers. No newspapers carry such story and Conforto explicitly denied it. f) Oliver saw David Ferrie at the club so often she thought he worked there. Nobody else ever did; Ferrie lived in New Orleans. g) Oliver saw "Raoul," the mystery man in the Martin Luther King assassination, at the club. There is no evidence "Raoul" ever existed; he appears to be a figment of James Earl Ray's imagination. Etc.

Well people check this out look at frame 386 and frame 312 ,you will see in frame 311 what look's like a CE399 bullet right on jackie's right elbow but its like someone fired it from the secret service follow up car and its going to hit the little bump on the back of everyone's head, which they said at the autopsy, but if true ,its would have exited out the left side of jfk's face, also they then changed it 4" inches higher, which still would have exited out the left side of jfk's face if the bullet came from the so called snipers nest, then frame 386 you can see what looks like a part of jfk skull bone sitting on the hood of the car? This is the best web page to view it? sites.google.com/site/lightboxzframes/ make sure you zoom in 500% on your computer for each frame? also frame 312 look at the vapour trail from the frontal bullet heading right for jfk's right temple ,you can see it right in the middle of jackie's pink pill top hat?

40:50

The driver shot JFK !!!!!!

i plead non guilty

No mention of Bush?

John Davis eveil mob cover writer lived hometown Ridgefield Ct where Time life CIA Henry Luce Dallas Cowboy Clint Murchison LBJ pilot as Schumbergers DeMenil

Notice the squeaking sounds, when they move jacke ruby in the skuffle, its like everyone has sneakers on ,whi9ch we know real rubber does do that, but shoes which most police had on that day is not rubber, plus its concrete floor as well,something to think about?

Fletcher Prouty's claims: a) 112th Military Intelligence Group ordered to "stand down..." Flatly contradicted by sworn HSCA testimony of Group's C.O., and Group in fact provided extra men to assist Secret Service in Dallas. b) open windows in Dealey Plaza prove conspiracy... Kennedy was filmed several times riding in open parades in other cities surrounded by open windows all over the place c) 3 assassin teams in plaza firing 3 times from multiple directions... Most witnesses heard but 3 shots total. d) one of the assassins would have been firing blanks... Any professional gunman would have immediately known if he was firing blanks. e) Kennedy shot in the neck with poison dart... f) Princess Diana assassinated by "Secret Team".... g) Roosevelt poisoned at behest of Churchill... h) Korean airlines flight 007, which the Soviets openly admitted to shooting down in 1983, was actually brought down by bomb planted aboard by CIA... i) UFO's are real...

chock full of nuts like a candy bar...

A masterpiece of garbage.