Want the real explanation? These guys were proteges of Mae Brussels who was on Jim Garrisons legal team: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RTjeU5MGSKs.html A related list: ru-vid.com/group/PLgRoK-eyLjokNbuTECBm-MWhOa0fa0yhV What they dont mention in the movie is Gehlen Organization/Vlasov Army White Russians. Oswald lived in Minsk Belarus. Study and cross refference and you'll realize its true.
@@bradcrane4706 I learned the hard way when I was young making almost $6k -8k month with commission and majority time I was claiming exempt and getting my fat bonuses. I remember before I claimed exempt I would let them tax me it was 30% of my pay check so if I made $5k they take out $1500 like wtf but I claimed exempt I got all my money but I got fucked at the end I paid over $10l in taxes
Even out here in Australia, both my Dad and Grandad said JFK's assassination sent a shiver down their spines, not just because of the shocking public murder, but also because as outsiders looking in, it was clear to them this was a highly orchestrated event, they never believed Oswald getting off all of those "perfect" shots. Grandad led heavy machine gun battalion in WW2 in Middle East, and Dad served reconnaissance in Vietnam, so I naturally listened when they spoke on these matters.
Everyone (Oz, EU, Canada) thinks it was a coup d'etat, except for the here in the US, where the MSM and govt' keep feeding us the same line of propaganda, coverup, and lies they fed us in '63!
Show both them this, this is the missing part they never seen. Type this guys name in and it still doesn't come up. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-58xhXSAZJog.html
And yet the same forces are getting your country to fight China in the future. As long as the war isn't on US soil. These guys in the US government will always push for more war. They don't care about nukes. They are willing to play crazy games to win if they killed the president, got away with it and stayed in power. They have never got any consequence from their actions.
@@octavianbalenciaga6799 , even so. I was an FBI agent assigned to the Dallas office in the 80’s and I would estimate that more than half of the agents assigned there at the time thought the Warren Report was BS. I used to drive home on JFK’s assassination route on Elm St. every day, right past the grassy knoll. It was hard not to think about it every once in a while.
Well he certainly isn't feeling Joe Rogan's claim as to what a good shot is. Unfortunately Joe you don't have clout just because you're "a hunter". I think Mr. Stone did a good job of deflecting at a time when Joe was most passionate.
CA mafia, cuba, CIA were all involved, Read the book Plausible Denial by Mark Lane, he won a court case by proving Howard Hunt managed the hit. Lane also had been head of House Committee of Assassinations
That book contains a very telling, off-hand comment made by Allen Dulles (to a writer who was helping him), spoken with contempt: "That little Kennedy---he thought he was a god."
@Anakin - Seating arrangement (boosted seat) doesn't explain a nearly pristine bullet suddenly appearing on the gurney. And nice try with the old "mentally ill conspiracy retards" name-calling routine, but that trick doesn't work any more.
Anakin lol that’s an interesting take...personally I can understand your point if someone is overly engrossed in conspiracy theories constantly, that will drive people mad....but this was a major situation, so if people want to dig into researching and discussing it, why do you care? You realize humans are social creatures? We like to communicate about big and small issues...and you’re on the same thread lol
Carlos “Gunny” Hathcock, sniper (USMC), the Marine Corps’ premier sniper with 93 confirmed kills including history’s longest single kill-shot of 2,500 meters, nominated for the Congressional Medal of Honor for action in Vietnam, former chief instructor of the USMC Sniper’s School, at Quantico, Virginia. (Note: Gunny Hathcock proved the impossibility of the lone-nutter scenario during tests he personally conducted at Quantico, Hathcock's own words... "Let me tell you what we did at Quantico. We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don't know how many times we tried it, but we couldn't duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did".
Oswald literally missed a general sitting by a window at his desk and we are lead to believe he hit a moving target from a sixth floor window three times? NO WAY. Doesn't jive. This isn't talked about enough. The Carcano rifle is a giant POS, too.
Rumor has it that’s because Bush Sr. was named in some contexts as one of the “architects”. I’m probably spreading disinformation but, Bush’s CIA did it!
The fact that they keep refusing to release everything says a lot. Somebody has something to hide. They are probably stalling until everyone involved is dead.
Not true when it's Stone who took liberties with "truths" and inserts them into the movie. Trouble is, people are then on the hook to research and find out what was true and what took liberties and is misinformation in the movie.
@@justincase4812 stone pretty much nailed it. The official version was never accepted. Stone just took the conclusion the majority of people felt . He made a great movie that pissed off the establishment .
I visited Dealy Plaza in Dallas last weekend, 12-11-23. Something I've always wanted to do since the 1st time I saw the Zapruder film in 1981. I never believed Ozwald pulled that off because I grew up shooting guns and know a little about how an object moves when shot. It's very eerie standing on the concrete platform where Zapruder and his secretary did. After seeing it in person, it's crazy how close Z was to the JFK! Looks way further on film. If you ever visit Dealy Plaza, it's plain to see where the head shot came from.
Allen Dulles was on fire as the head of the CIA along with his brother, John Foster, who was Secretary of State at the SAME time. Both dudes began their careers as corporate lawyers at Sullivan & Cromwell and continued protecting those clients’ international interests throughout their time in government. 1953 on behalf of United Fruit Company and 1954 in Iran on behalf of what is now know as BP. Both democratically elected leaders of those countries wanted to nationalize the natural resources of those countries to benefit their citizens. The CIA protected corporate interests instead. These are only 2 of many examples. When they tried to do the same thing in Cuba JFK refused to call in the military to support the fledgling coup. It was the first failure on the part of the CIA and a major blow to Dulles’ reputation. JFK fired Dulles which in hindsight was not a very smart move considering the dude had spent the past decade developing the skill and network to assassinate political opponents and overthrow governments. Obviously there’s quite a bit more to the story but this is a good starting point for anyone wanting to understand where we are today politically and how we got here.
I don't agree, the air cover aspect of The Bay of Pigs invasion was a blunder. Kennedy ok'd the Bay of Pigs, as long as there was plausible denial(of the mission). It failed! Hence the 'fire-ing' of Allen Dulles. Everything above that is correct. Before making the "BAD CAPITOLIST" case. Think about what kind of danger Communist-Cuba posed. Missle Crisis?
There is also the small matter of JFK wanting to: inspect the Dimona reactor in Israel, supporting Algerian independence, registering AIPAC under FARA, giving Palestinians the right of return and get closer to Gamal Nasser in Egypt. All of this changed AFTER he was murdered.
I really cannot stand Joe, he just has amazing guests and great topics so I only care to listen to his guests so this is frustrating to me as well when he opens his mouth at all.
@@jpete3027666I’m in the same boat. Though I will say not every guest is a winner but when he brings a good one on he talks over them for 80% of the episode.
Josh my brother, I feel ya man. Check out the two videos I posted above and read the Warren Report regarding the so called "magic bullet." Dopey Joe and Oliver are so misguided and on the fringe of tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist peeps. Peace! See the videos where Joe also believed in BigFoot and questioned the moon landing.
I caught this too.. I've defended Rogan from other commenters who always says he changes his perspective based on his guest.. Then the CIA agent video came out and I was like.. Damn he does do that crap.
A big question that never gets asked is why Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald. Everybody writes it off as him being emotionally driven because he loved Kennedy, but let's be real, Lee Harvey Oswald being able to talk about what happened would have blown everyone involved out of the water.
So you dismiss the comments of those around him very often if what type of person he was simply by saying “buts be real”. The people who knew ruby were being real. Ruby hung around that police station often, they knew him. He was a highly emotional man. He was seen crying in public and made many emotional phone calls after the assassination. “Let’s be real” should mean go where the evidence leads, not let’s make a good story
@@toddianuzzi9296 oh yeah "my people"... exactly! It was an order from his "people"!! l. h. Oswald did not shoot any weapon, he did not act alone either, but they still shot him in the middle of an entire police station to in any case leave him alone bleeding to death... 2 murders, still in impunity, shamelessly and vilely executed in front of the entire world and recorded in less than 48 hours just to silence Truth and Freedom!!
JFK single handedly prevented nuclear war. He was a hero on the battlefield and in the Oval office. He was a great great man. He did NOT deserve to die like that. RIP Mr President
Not single-handedly. That is an extremely childish way to look at it. He had a team that understood and fought for him and gave him the solutions to eventually go that route. He wavered back and forth many times. His leadership was huge, but single-handedly? No.
Want the real explanation? These guys were proteges of Mae Brussels who was on Jim Garrisons legal team: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RTjeU5MGSKs.html A related list: ru-vid.com/group/PLgRoK-eyLjokNbuTECBm-MWhOa0fa0yhV What they dont mention in the movie is Gehlen Organization/Vlasov Army White Russians. Oswald lived in Minsk Belarus. Study and cross refference and you'll realize its true.
@@lucasoheyze4597 You're a damn fool if you think Garrison was bullshitting and dont beleive that main stream depiction of the trial rom back in the day, Garrison sued them amd won over that
Joe was getting a little worked up on his beliefs. Mr Stone keeping his demeanor calm and not letting his beliefs get infront of him well done Mr. Stone. Joe is a measured guy in most situations but when his beliefs get the best of him his voice gets louder and he gets determined to be right.
Joe saying he can judge a person's character based on their reactions to conspiracy theories (in this case JFK's murder) is something I never thought of, but absolutely seems telling to me. It reveals someone's nature in response to something that isn't cut and dry. Not even so much the response, but rather the reasoning that brought them to their thoughts will apply to other situations. Almost want to call it a litmus test, except not so binary with a large grey area.
@@dekafer123eah, i saw that rabbit hole. Its not very believable in my eyes that he was a persona for a ghost writer. His name existed back then in the right areas. Also, dont call people dumb for disagreeing with you. Thats asinine, even if he insulted you first.
@Irving Ceron He's not but he's done considerably more research than Joe and has a substantially more qualified opinion on the subject. However, Joe's skepticism is one of his best traits.
Because the dude has done jack shit for research "No marksman in the world could've made that shot" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ghmY6HmR4fs.html With ONE search. Two guys hit 2/3 shots, and one hit 3/3 perfectly.
All those events are as clear to me today as when they happened. Even as a ten year old i knew oswald was just what he said he was a patsy or fall guy.
I was an FBI agent, assigned to the Dallas office is the 80’s, (Bobby Gillam ” was the SAC, for my bona fides), and most of the agents didn’t even think Oswald acted alone.
Lee did act alone, innocent men are not silenced for knowing nothing. Lee fired two bullets, the first missed and the second went straight through JFK and Connely who was sitting inboard and lower than the President on a jumpseat. The third round was a Remington .223 frag round which exploded Kennedy's skull, instantly killing the 35th President of the United States. Oswald had a birds eye view from the sixth floor corner window, witnessed the origin of the third bullet. Lee had to be silenced.
Based on my research, it is unlikely Oswald acted at all. Very Best Regards, Tom Scott Author ● Speaker ● World's Leading Expert on the Corrupt U.S. Legal System _Our American Injustice System_ _Stack the Legal Odds in Your Favor_
If anything, fighting in a war that was somewhat and became more unpopular as it went along doesn’t really help that case. Especially once documents showing the government had been selling the people an overly Rodney picture and they were privately doubtful they they could win in Vietnam, as they were fighting it. Being disillusioned and cynical, or at least having good reason to doubtful of government use of military power doesn’t mean it doesn’t too far. If someone has decided, or has the genuine feeling that it’s all a lie(the war) then everything else is easy to cast doubt on… even when the telling of the JFK story goes beyond critical of government and into being driven by things other than fact….
His service in Vietnam is what drives him to keep the "Oswald didn't act alone" theory. He really believes had Kennedy not been killed, the US would not have been involved in Vietnam or South East Asia. Meaning, he wouldn't have had to gone to Vietnam. That is a theory that will be debated forever by the Kennedy fans and the Johnson haters forever.
He gets visibly excited every time he talks about the JFK assassination on the podcast. He’s pretty knowledgeable on it and seems passionate whenever he talks about it for sure
While I appreciate JR keeping this discussion in the public domain here, watching him talk to Stone about the JFK assassination is a bit amusing. He seems like a student in class talking to a veteran teacher about something the guy's taught hundreds of times. Stone is game but it's easy to see he's being a bit polite as JR talks about guns.
Like what? The Magic Bullet conspiracy theory has already been debunked. Even the federal government changed its official position from the lone gunman conspiracy theory to a theory that there was probably a conspiracy to assassinate.@@DontDrinkthatstuff
The thing that really weirded me out was that one of the officers in the book depository identified the weapon as a Mauser rifle. He was former sporting goods store owner and knew the model. His partner checked the barrel and indeed confirmed it was a German Mauser rifle. This was in their reporting. Somewhere between that and ‘what really happened’ it became an Italian Manliker Carcano rifle.
@@tacticalmattfoley Dear God, that story came from demonstrable serial liar Roger Craig, who later changed his account so the roof rifle disappeared from his story and the Mannlicher transforms into a Mauser. Unbelievable that clown was given an ounce of crediblilty.
@@aaronz7056 I'm just repeating what was in Stone's new documentary. I will say this after having seen the "shooter's box" in the Book Depository Building: unless he was literally hanging out of the window, I just don't see how Oswald made that shot from there.
@@tacticalmattfoley He did it and witnesses (Brennan, Couch, etc.) plainly saw the rifle sticking out of the window. Do not trust Stone. He championed himself as a crusader for truth and justice for Kennedy while happily manufacturing a fake story that lets his murderer off the hook, slanders a lot of innocent people (eg, the cops who risked their lives to capture Oswald alive in the theater) as being co-conspirators to murder and treason, and packs more than 80 *demonstrable* lies into the narrative.
@@roberttheodorson1770 Super cringey. I was so ready for Joe to stop saying the shot was possible. I felt like Oliver was like, "This guy has no idea what he's talking about"
@@Peppersfirst I know what Rogan meant, luck happens, or luck can happen. But that doesn't mean it did, and when we look at most other things in the universe we accept probabilistic logic. The weird thing is how the other bullets were solid, but the last kill shot that appeared to come from the front was a fragmenting bullet. Also, we have to assume that mixed in with all the honest "conspiracy theorists" who honestly want to solve this or add to the thinking on the case, there are undoubtedly agents of whatever entity posting ideas, facts and fake evidence to throw everyone off.
@@justgivemethetruth Oswald was the only killer, people just like to imagine a conspiracy because Kennedy was "important" and shouldn't have been killed by a narcissistic wingnut. The bullet evidence is clear that the "magic bullet" only hit soft tissue and thus the deformation of the bullet was consistent with the end appearance of the bullet. The bullets for the rifle Oswald used varied in quality so that some fragmented and others didn't.
The greatest injustice because millions of Americans believe a conspiracy when there is not one shred of hard evidence to support a conspiracy. Oswald acted alone and millions of Americans will never believe it because of frauds like oliver stone that perpetrate lies and ignore all the hard evidence.
All the "hard evidence" provided by the prime suspect in the crime: the government itself. "We investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong." Whoever believes that hard evidence cen exist in this case after the Dallas PD, Secret Service, FBI, CIA and other officials actively destroyed the crime scene with their utter stupidity and incompetence is a bonafide moron.
@@harbingerofsalt Read what you wrote here. It makes no sense, and your ability to communicate your thoughts is terrible. It's totally unclear what you are trying to say. What does the word "cen" mean? What evidence do you have that the FBI, CIA destroyed the crime scene? It was Dallas PD that was at crime scene and it was not destroyed by anyone.
@@Rayburn58 lol you know damn well it was a typo and I meant to say "can". Tell me I make no sense and can't communicate and that's the one example you can come up with. Pathetic
@Taylor Lemoine if they can kill a president.. And its an US president. Then what makes you so hard to believe 9/11 was inside job? Or are you just those guys who would believe everything the media tells you?
"The bullet hitting those two people and finding it's way onto the gurney, magically, with very little distortion in the bullet at all, is straight up HORSESHIT"
@@raynic1173 that's technically true. Lead is diamagnetic, meaning that it is repelled by magnetic fields that would attract magnets. Lead is a very heavy metal and not very conductive, only 7% as conductive as silver. But lead will interact *slightly* to very strong magnetic fields, meaning that Magneto could have curved it. Lead's weight and poor conductivity (not the fact that it isn't magnetic) is probably what kept Magneto from saving jfk.
There is an old interview of witness Lee Bowers and a recent interview with journalist Robert McNeil who was there. Both describe the spacing of the THREE shots EXACTLY the same way. The 2nd and 3rd were almost right on top of each other. There was no way the 2nd and 3rd shots came from the same bolt action rifle and it's pretty unlikely that the 1st and 2nd shots did.
A Secret Service agent in the following car accidentally fired his M-16 as he was bringing the rifle up in response to the shots from behind, hitting JFK in the head, killing him...a 1 in a million, accidental shot from a Secret Service agent unfamiliar with the then, new M-16.
What do you mean by this? is “asleep” supposed to be the opposite of “woke” ... cuz nowadays ppl who claim to be woke seem to be the most in need of a long nap...
Stephen King said while researching the book that he arrived at the conclusion that Oswalt acted alone, despite previously believing it was a cover-up. I'd like him to speak more on the topic of why his opinion changed and what evidence he looked at.
@@McJerkins Nah, that's a hoax apparently, although I'm sure you'll tell me why it's just the lizard people trying to cover up facts. Pretty sure they are listed in his "black book" which was basically just a rolodex of famous people. Trump is in it too. Epstein was very powerful and wealthy and probably attended many social functions over the years - it's not surprising that he'd trade business cards with celebs. I think the people who were actually on the flight logs (iirc, Kevin Spacey, Clinton, Woody Allen among others) have some explaining to do, but just because a celebrity made it into his rolodex doesn't mean shit.
My Girlfriend - " Joes headphones were not centered the entire time. " Me - " Did you catch they were going to blow a plane up and make up death certificates for fictitious people? " My Girlfriend (actual answer, while staring at the screen) - " yeah, someone needs to tell him." Me - " Well dear god honey i hope they do."
Allen Dulles was on it 😄 of course Meyer Lanky related people were, La Cosa Nostra has massive power. Hope your not trying to go all anti semite, youll never get close to getting down to the bottom of it Want the real explanation? These guys were proteges of Mae Brussels who was on Jim Garrisons legal team: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RTjeU5MGSKs.html A related list: ru-vid.com/group/PLgRoK-eyLjokNbuTECBm-MWhOa0fa0yhV What they dont mention in the movie is Gehlen Organization/Vlasov Army White Russians. Oswald lived in Minsk Belarus. Study and cross refference and you'll realize its true.
Who? ________________________ Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States(chairman) (1891-1974) Richard Russell Jr. (D-Georgia), U.S. Senator, (1897-1971) John Sherman Cooper (R-Kentucky), U.S. Senator (1901-1991) Hale Boggs (D-Louisiana), U.S. Representative, House Majority Whip (1914-1972) Gerald Ford (R-Michigan), U.S. Representative (later 38th President of the United States), House Minority Leader (1913-2006) Allen Dulles, former Director of Central Intelligenceand head of the Central Intelligence Agency (1893-1969) John J. McCloy, former President of the World Bank (1895-1989) General counsel J. Lee Rankin (1907-1996) Assistant counsel Francis W. H. Adams (1904-1990) Joseph A. Ball (1902-2000) David W. Belin (1928-1999) William Thaddeus Coleman Jr. (1920-2017) Melvin A. Eisenberg Burt W. Griffin Leon D. Hubert, Jr. Albert E. Jenner Jr. (1907-1988) Wesley J. Liebeler (1931-2002) Norman Redlich (1925-2011) W. David Slawson Arlen Specter (1930-2012) Samuel A. Stern Howard P. Willens (liaison with the Department of Justice) Staff Philip Barson Edward A. Conroy John Hart Ely (1938-2003) Alfred Goldberg Murray J. Laulicht Arthur J. Marmor Richard M. Mosk (1939-2016) John J. O'Brien (1919-2001) Stuart R. Pollak (1937-) Alfredda Scobey Charles N. Shaffer, Jr. Lloyd L. Weinreb (1936-)
@@TheJPSouza Wall Street really good, and prescient for what would happen to this country with the hedge funders and big banks, "greed is good".. could be this country's motto today
@@Rayburn58 He wanted to disband the CIA. The CIA has been involved in assassinations and failed assassinations for years. Chavez? If they were going to do Northwoods and basically martyr innocent people for the war machine then they absolutely would assassinate a sitting president who got in their way.
@@Rayburn58 Since you want people to spoon feed you publicly available knowledge. The national security archive (nsarchive2.gwu.edu) has the declassified operation northwoods from 1962. Along with other reputable sites. (Not Wikipedia) Instead of just saying “absurd” or thinking everything is a conspiracy theory you should actually attempt to fact check PRIOR to claiming something is false. Operation mongoose like the person above me brought up. Lots of information about that as well. Check the National archives. It’s a gov website. The New York Times article from April 25 1966 talks about Kennedy being “disturbed” by the CIA for being misled on the bay of pigs and has an admin quote reporting he vowed to “splinter the C.I.A. Into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds”. Cause just like today’s White House staff and attorneys. Everyone likes to write books about private conversations and leak to the press. Bay of pigs was a disaster to him. Kennedy’s speeches are also available to listen to if you want. He wanted to end the nuclear arms race. That’s Not exactly in the best interest of arms dealers and companies who profit in war. As for the coup claim.... I’m really not sure how old you are, or where your from but paying closer attention in US government or American History classes would have done you well. Even just watching the news. Election meddling? By the US in foreign countries, Lol you think Russia made that one up....? Venezuela? Guatemala? National archives, cia.gov, library of congress. You have all of these sources at your finger tips.
4.9 seconds for the time between 2nd and 3rd shot? Based on Zapruder of course. What's so hard to beleive about that? The Brits used to train for a 'mad minute' of accurate fire from a bolt action service rifle, over 100 years ago. A rate of fire (also hitting the target of course) with an average of less than two seconds between shots was not out of the question. 300 yard range. Tests were done at the time after the assasination using a similar rifle as Oswald's and the results showed it could be done, many of the shooters taking less than 6 seconds total to fire three rounds. Jamming was encoutnered by the tests but that doesn;t mean Oswald's rifle jammed. Could _Oswald_ have done it? Open for a lot of debate. He wasn't a world-calss marksman. But could he do it fast? Sure why not. Yes, Hathcock said it couldn't be done. He meant couldn't be done while hitting the target, demonstrably and as a matter of record that rate of fire can be had with a bolt action. You can see the videos on youtube lol. But what if what Oswald hit didn't matter? An lot has been said about his terrible first shot. Well. A first shot miss actually isn't uncommon among target shooters who make the mistake of taking the first shot with a nice clean bore. You actually want the barrel slightly fouled. But what if Oswald and his crappy Carcano did what you'd expect and miss his target every time? Then the question about rate of fire becomes easy: yes he could fire it that fast. Since it is, I hope, your opinion that Oswald certainly did not act alone, this supports the idea that the fatal shots came from someplace else. Where did Oswald's bullets go? Can't say. But it's easy for me to accept he missed.
@@bbb462cid 3 reports. 1- pause and then 2-3 on top of each other. Amost simultaneously. That Carcano rifle has a long bolt throw making that sequence of fire impossible. Don't be a schill.
There was a documentary back in early 90s or late 80s were they cover all the questionable facts they had a skilled rifleman not snipper perform the three shots hit all three with a 1/2 second to spare I believe he used the same rifle
I didn't really know a lot about Oliver Stone before watching this other than he's a fabulous film director, but Jfc, my guys a national treasure. A real seeker of the truth.
If you cant even acknowledge that there could have been a conspiracy you are right where the govt wants you! Thinking you're intelligent and you think for yourself!
Hunters and shooters who train a lot know what bullets do. You see what happens when the slug hits the target and spins off. Or when the slug hits the ground. You don’t have to be a ballistics expert to know what happens to the slug. I shoot 2,3 times a month and I regularly see what happens to slugs on the range.
As an army medical caretaker I have learned that high velocity bullets have a small inlet hole and a large outlet hole. I have seen this demonstrated on pigs in military service. So the killing bullet on JFK came from the front and not from behind by Oswald.
The Shooter movie maybe depicts what Oswald went through, maybe he was hired to protect JFK from a suspected shooter and finally he was turned into the suspect and killed before he could talk.
Bugliosi claims the bullets that killed JFK were traced to Oswald's rifle. I haven't read Bugliosi's book but I have my doubts. Even so, a crack marksman could have shot Oswald's rifle, then let Oswald take the heat, get silenced by Ruby, and history's none the wiser. If Oswald hadn't shot Tippit, Oswald prob could have beaten any JFK charge, or might not have been charged, for the assorted reasons that many don't think he could have fired the shots and run down to the lunchroom and calmly stood there when the police officer first saw him. A skilled trial lawyer would have shown reasonable doubt in that set of facts.
I get that it is not impossible, but the popular that a trained soldier was still a poor marksman a couple years earlier, trained relentlessly to get good, used a suboptimal weapon, took the shots at the time when it would be hardest to hit the target from his position, hit some extremely difficult shots, fired the shots very rapidly, the bullets took a very unlikely trajectory, the bullet was not deformed in the least despite breaking through multiple bones and the killer was assassinated before he could be fully interrogated seems less likely than “he didn’t act alone.”
It's also very unlikely that a second shooter went completely undetected and nobody ever talked. Keep in mind, witnesses were not unanimous in the number of shots that were heard. 3 was the most commonly heard number. Witnesses don't all agree on the placement of the shooter, which makes sense given how hard it is to locate a shooter with echo. However, almost all witnesses point to ONE gunman either at the TSBD or grassy knoll. Virtually nobody heard multiple shooters at multiple locations. There are only unlikely scenarios that could've happened. Oswald being the lone gunman has a lot of things going against it but none rule it out.
Just watch the Zapruder film that shows Connally was hit seconds later by a different bullet and shows the fatal shot to the head came from the front. Dozens of people and officers ran toward the grassy knoll.
@@DutchMadness77nobody who saw the men [plurual] in the TSBD 6th-floor window testified they were shooting. But a few did see one man holding what appeared to be a rifle with another man standing next to the 'rifleman' in the window. The shots were in salvos. Two to three shots in each salvo were fired simultaneously in three volleys. The vast majority of witnesses heard shots coming from the North Grassy Knoll; a few stated they saw a man behind the knoll 'possibly' shooting at the president. Again, none saw anyone shooting from the TSBD. But some witnesses heard shots from the direction of the TSBD along with the North Grassy Knoll. That said, an independent researcher from England began a series of experiments and interviews to determine where the shots that actually hit JFK and Connelly originated to quantify or dismiss the conspiracy theories. e.g., kneck, back, chest, head, thigh, and what most people forget the front window of the president's car. His findings are called the South Knoll Gunmen theory. He uses mathematical computations and eye and earwitness testimony to test the available evidence. As well as recorded interviews with a military covert intelligence asset [Tosh Plumlee], who was not only there in Dealey Plaza along with his team that day but was tasked with stopping the assassination by his CIA handler. The results of the experiments and Plumlee's testimonials are disturbing, and I refused to believe them for a long time. Plumlee has gone on the record, risking his freedom and safety with what he did for the CIA/DIA/State Department. Plumlee has also testified before the US Congress about his actions not only on that day but also his activities during the Iran/Contra Affair. That recorded testimony is still classified under the grounds of National Security more than 35 years later! Ask yourself this. If the fatal headshot originated from the right side of the limo at an elevated position on a downward trajectory [North Grassy Knoll ], why didn't the round exit through the left side of Kennedy's head or neck? Being a former Combat Medical Specialist and a lifelong shooter, my experience suggests the exit wound should have exited near his left ear, or an exit wound should have been at the back lower left side of his cerebellum. Instead, the exit wound was on the right side of his head, a few centimeters from the midline. During the announcement that the president received a coup de gras at his right temple near the hairline by the assistant press secretary (pointing to the entrance wound on his head), the angle from the North Grassy Knoll didn't make sense. To be clear, the researcher does not claim there weren't shooters at the North Grassy Knoll or in the buildings behind JFK; in fact, he states there is more than enough available evidence to prove there were. But he claims through his experiments that the neck wound to JFK and the head wound to JFK came not from any of these sources but from the South Grassy Knoll. Here are two links I suggest you take a look at. midnightwriternews.com/the-south-knoll-gunman/ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c8emNECYgmg.html
Does that mean that it is impossible that when a bullet hits your nervous system in the brain, that you twitch baaack and to the left because of a muscle spasm? Really? That is not a possibility? Why did his right arm rise as well? And how is it possible that a bullet causes the movement in such a fashion? This ain't no Hollywood movie where people go flying after they got hit. Bullets penetrate, they don't force movements. There are many tests that show that JFK's movement does not come from the bullet. The initial movement(one frame) is actually slightly forwards before going back and to the left. It is a spasm. Also, there is blood spray that indicates a bullet from the rear(Exit wounds are larger than entry wounds causing that spray). If the shot came from the front, where did that bullet(or fragments) go after the hit? They only found fragments of a bullet in FRONT of JFK. Conclusion: the shot came from behind. No grassy knoll shooter.
@murray1234567891011 I can do the same thing for Joe's "if Werner von Braun was alive today, the Simon wesenthal center said he would be punished for crimes against humanity" speech
If Oswald acted alone, why would an eye witness with clear vision and nothing to gain state that he heard a gunshot and saw smoke from behind the wooden fence? Why would two officers immediate race up the hill toward the fence?
Why would people run in lots of strange directions? Why would people report hearing the sound coming from many different directions in a large open area with multiple story buildings reflecting the sound amidst panic. Oswald was in the book depository and shot kennedy
@@totallybored5526 of Oswald tried to shoot jfk when he was “straight” in front of him(as in, if Oswald’s shoulders are parallel to the school book depository and jfk is within thr buildings frame/umbral/outline) then it’s a harder shot. JFK would have been moving faster a-crossed Oswald than when JFK is further away and JFK would be more in profile so would be smaller target If that makes sense.
What gets me is that if you get a copy of any Dallas newspaper on the morning of the 22nd November it shows the motorcade traveling on main st so how did Oswald know to get a job in the Book depository 6 weeks before hand when the security detail had no knowledge of the altered route 12 hours before the assassination.
From what I heard there were two types of bullets as well ... solid bullets for the first two shots, and then a fragmenting bullet that broke apart in Kennedy's head. Not to mention the direction question as to where that kill shot came from. I was in second grade when this happened, and I can say as an idealistic kid I was traumatized by the idea that this could happen. It almost makes me sick every time I think about it.
"there were two types of bullets as well ... solid bullets for the first two shots, and then a fragmenting bullet that broke apart in Kennedy's head." Yes - exactly. And coming from two different directions - full metal jacket, penetrative rounds from behind (which *could* have been Oswald's) and a soft nose bullet from the front which blows the back of JFK's head off.
According to no less than a seasoned, experienced, USMC-trained Scout/Sniper, Vietnam Veteran Craig Roberts [LTC, USAR (Ret)] with a PERSONAL count of 33 "confirmed", and 2X+ "unconfirmed", JFK was hit [the 2nd time from the front] by a FRANGIBLE bullet, likely filled with Mercury Fulminate; a low-order explosive used in ammo-primers and blasting caps. Which might explain why JFKs brain disappeared; half of it was gone, but the other half, apparently "grew legs" and disappeared, likely to hide the brain tissues riddled with mercury. The FRONT of JFKs head detonates, BEFORE it moves even a mm to the rear, and then does so violently, as the force of the impact is from the FRONT. When Roberts rotated home, he spent a 30-year career with the Tulsa, OK PD, with 15+ years on the SWAT team, as a DM, Instr, Cmdr. His book "Killzone: A Sniper Looks at Dealey Plaza" is the best, and only book that looks at JFK from a SHOOTERS perspective; and Roberts knew in about 30 seconds that Oswald couldn't do it, because Roberts knew HE couldn't do it. At the end of a couple of his videos, in public forums, he has said simply, "I'm just a cop trying to solve a homicide." A great, honest officer, and veteran; buy everything he's written.
The 6.5mm. bullet fired from the Carcano rifle is a solid bullet. The "frangible" bullet being used at that time was the new 5.56mm. or .223 Rem. which the also new M16/AR-15 fired. There was a SS Agent in the car directly behind Kennedy who was issued one. It can be seen in different photos and small parts of the Zapruder film. There was an independent investigator who tested this theory that the SS agent might have "accidentally" shot Kennedy from behind with his M16. They did the testing and the results were irrefutable, they were spot on the same as that day. Now, the only thing that is difficult to prove is, was it an accidental discharge or was it intentional? Common sense tells us that he was close enough to get a pin point shot off WITHOUT risking shooting Jackie.
@patrickgarrison7640 the "Secret Service accident" theory is pure nonsense. An M-16 round then, was 55gr, standard FMJ, M193; all lead. It wasn't a "tumbling" round, OR frangible. ACCURATE "frangibles" have to be made PRECISELY, ON A LATHE, so they will fly straight; otherwise they're "off center", and can go ANYWHERE. The "Secret Service" story is recent to simply divert attention away from the CIA/Mob.
Want the real explanation? These guys were proteges of Mae Brussels who was on Jim Garrisons legal team: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RTjeU5MGSKs.html A related list: ru-vid.com/group/PLgRoK-eyLjokNbuTECBm-MWhOa0fa0yhV What they dont mention in the movie is Gehlen Organization/Vlasov Army White Russians. Oswald lived in Minsk Belarus. Study and cross refference and you'll realize its true.
As seen in the film, Oswald and some of the others involved were connected to the Civil Air Patrol (CAP). Civil Air Patrol was and remains a CIA recruitment front. The primary co-founder of the Civil Air Patrol was David Byrd. The owner of the Six-Floor Book Depository building was David Byrd.
My dad has this story of my grandpa who was a sniper in the marines trying recreate those shots and couldn’t. I would assume that him and Oswald would have had similar training. But it was just a story that my dad didn’t even know if it was true because his brother told him about it.
When Lee Harvey Oswald was in the Marine Corps he was basically the worst shot..His scorecard was written in pencil it was erased and changed to make him look like a better shot.. Malcolm "Mac" Wallace ex-marine he was Lyndon Johnson's Hitman this guy killed eight people and got away with it all he even killed Lyndon Johnson sister "Josefa" in 1963 they already had the evidence his fingerprints on the boxes and the tape and on the spent shells on the floor..There was 2 guy's also on the grassy knoll that was the head shot or the killshot.."Hermino Diaz" shot Kennedy in the temple the other guy beside him shooting was James Files Ex-CIA.. Lee Harvey Oswald was just the Patsy.. George Bush Senior had oil fields in Cuba he would go over there on his own ship called the Barbara after his wife..In return he would give them thousands of automatic machine guns handguns and ammunition for loading up his ship with 55-gallon Drums of crude oil..There was more then 4 shooters Kennedy never had a chance..The guy's that paid to have him killed were Rich oilmen tycoons from Texas..They put out $2 Million dollars..
I rarely have any heroes, but Oliver you rock. When I first saw the JFK Masterpiece at the Cinema I'd been immersed in the subject for ever. I was 9 when they took him out and I knew, I mean how could you not smell a rat, I'd done the docu's and read Col Fletcher Prouty and a few others and that film just laid it out in front of my eyes just like I figured it. Cudo's Oliver....
@@larrywheeler9917 ain't that the truth. The Dulles Bros, General Curtis LeMay, they were lining up. It's still shocking today when you think about it. And of course they couldn't let Bobby inside the Cabal
James Blanshard, you were nine -- I can relate, I was five. It's one of my earliest memories. I went indoors from playing - my parents were watching the TV standing up, and in the middle of the day... they were real upset.
@Alfonso G Where did Joe say or claim that he knew more about guns than Oliver Stone did? Having been in the infantry,Stone obviously HAD to know about guns and how to properly use them, given his background in the military and war (otherwise,he wouldn't have survived)but one doesn't cancel out the other. Joe knows about guns because of his background in hunting and Stone knows about them,too. There are people who were hunters or even who have criminal backgrounds,who know a lot about guns.You don't have to have been in the military and law enforcement or a government agency or the military,ALONE,to know a lot about guns,
The look on his face says (to me) "I've been played like a fiddle." That means nothing, granted. But, he's in custody for 48 hrs and there is no record of an interrogation? C'mon! Look up Thomas Vallee, who would have been the "Oswald of Chicago" if the hit had taken place there. It might've taken place in Miami if the SS hadn't caught wind of it and killed the motorcade portion of that visit.
The single shot itself (81 meters) isn’t difficult. What makes the “head shot” so difficult is it’s a follow up shot from a bolt action rifle on a moving target in a very short period of time. Not impossible, but..... also, for the first 2 shots there is a pretty steep downward angle where Oswald would have to reposition from to get the follow up and final head shot.
See @willbrink above: best book on the topic by far which is completely factual was The Third Bullet by Hunter. On that shot, the best sniper the US had, the one and only Carlos Hathcock, with the FBI tried to recreate that shot and he could not do it. That alone convinced me not a shot taken by LHO. book on the topic by far which is completely factual was The Third Bullet by Hunter. On that shot, the best sniper the US had, the one and only Carlos Hathcock, with the FBI tried to recreate that shot and he could not do it. That alone convinced me not a shot taken by LHO.
The part about Adolf Hitler was especially interesting. I forget the term he used for the wealthy white American men back then who invested in the Germany manufacturing sector after WWI.
one of the Doctors that treated JFK at Parkland hospital wrote a book in which he stated that both of the shots that killed JFK came from the front. He also treated Oswald. While treating Oswald he said Lyndon Johnson called him and told him to say that Oswald confessed to killing JFK before he died. The day that JFK was shot Robert Kennedy contacted the CIA and asked them if they did it. Allen Dulles was fired by Kennedy from the CIA. It curious that LBJ would assign him to the Warren commission.
There is a long line of potential arrangers/wanting Kennedy dead within Government circles. All of the nonsense about Mafia/Castro/Russia/my mother's tortoise was deliberately put out there by the masters of lies; The CIA. LBJ. Dulles. Le May. Those are the three I suspect were behind it and it would not have been difficult for them to get it done. In fact, it would have been a very easy operation for the CIA. This is why so many documents relating to JFK murder are still not released. It would show the world what it already knows; The CIA causes 50%+ of the world's evil shit and should be dismantled.
Even more curious that Dulles was at a CIA safehouse known as the Farm when the assassination occurred and when the CIA head of the assassination department flew into Dallas a few weeks before.
When you watch the Z-film enough times, you realize that JFK was the target of a triangulated ambush; 3 different directions/shooters laid in such a way so as to NOT be shooting toward each other; similar to an "x,y,z, axis " milling machine. That way, since there is an extremely small "engagement window", once the shooting starts, ALL THREE shooters fire AT THE SAME TIME. Without a doubt JFK was struck 3X. One struck the Lincoln, photographed; one was a miss, and on struck Connally. It was NOT the same one the hit JFK. Connally got his OWN bullet, and it DID NOT hit JFK first. Not enough damage to the bullet to have hit two men at the same time.
Best book on the topic by far which is completely factual was The Third Bullet by Hunter. On that shot, the best sniper the US had, the one and only Carlos Hathcock, with the FBI tried to recreate that shot and he could not do it. That alone convinced me not a shot taken by LHO.
Thank you for this @willbrink: best book on the topic by far which is completely factual was The Third Bullet by Hunter. On that shot, the best sniper the US had, the one and only Carlos Hathcock, with the FBI tried to recreate that shot and he could not do it. That alone convinced me not a shot taken by LHO.
I went to the school back depository and looked out where Oswald shot JFK. I was shocked to see it wasn't that far a shot. It looks farther away in photos. That's my only comment. First time listening to you Joe and you do a great job. Congratulations on your success. I was at the Comedy Store a few years before you were there. Good luck.
Correct. Also the Lincoln Kennedy was in was modified with an elevated back seat for him to be better seen by the crowd. At this angle the trajectory of the bullet makes perfect sense and Oswald could and in all likelihood did kill the President on his own.
@usernumber09there’s still be a tendency that gun shots has some sort reverberation that can cause to echo the same shot from distances often happens in hunting too
@usernumber09 So when a cop approaches Oswald 15 minutes later and asks him a question and Oswald is just ready to shoot and kill him, you think maybe Oswald wasn't even one of the shooters?
its a helluva shot that the three shots were made with spot on accuracy from a man who, while qualifying in boot camp, was barely able to make Sharpshooter ranking in the Marine Corps marksmanship qualification. Sharpshooter is the middle or "second place" shooting rank awarded to Marines in Bootcamp and in the Fleet. It incredibly easy to make unless you have almost no skill in shooting. Oswald might have shot a rifle as a child since that generation probably had to hunt for their food quite a bit. That being said however, there is no indication that Oswald would have had the capability to make such a shot with a rifle of that age.
@Steve Stevinson wow. It's not but you do have to practice. The point behind this is that it is not a skill taught in boot camp. Oswald wasn't a hunter (either recreational or occupational), nor did he practice shooting at any known point to a necessary degree in his life. So, how does a man, with no significant degree of skill in advanced shooting techniques, hit a moving target, multiple times, including the head?
I went to an Oliver Stone talk/interview in SF circa 2009. At the end they took audience questions, and I asked whether he thought 9/11 was an inside job. To my surprise, he said he didn't think it was.
Im not sure how much I believe the CIA was involved but at the very least they were complicit and knowing it was going to happen and didn't stop it. Personally I believe they were more involved but it's all speculation. I agree Oliver Stone seems like he would think it was an inside job but maybe he didn't want to say something and sabotage his career. The Kennedy assassination is safer because of the time that passed
@@uncletony6210 sheesh. Well, oliver stone can't be that dumb. He is likely very smart. And if he believes the official usa government story about wtc, then he is likely a liar. Cause I do not think he is stupid. Obviously controlled demolition. He knows it. He must. It's also why I don't buy his jfk film, he knows the culprits, and one of his producers arnon milchan likely knows too.
The shots were incredibly difficult for anyone. Do not forget that if Oswald did act alone not only did he pull off really good shots but he did so under the stress of him killing the President of the United States (even for a "professional " that has to make you nervous), plus the possible detection at any moment by doing it behind some boxes at an office building. I have no idea who may have been involved besides Oswald I just find it hard to believe he pulled off that level of marksmanship under those circumstances.
I feel like he had assistance from someone, somewhere definitely.. but wasn't he in the marines or navy or something like that as well? Maybe that's how he landed the shot as well..
Remember, Oswald missed his first shot, and he built a snipers perch for better shooting stability, and he was shooting at a Slow moving vehicle traveling in a straight line. Not that difficult when you know the Facts.
@@jimtruscott5670 Everytime these conspiracy people try to push Oswald and all the evidence against him out the back door, Oswald always comes right back around to the front door. No one else ever shows up at the front door with evidence for the conspiracy theorist. Ever.
I've been a hunter for almost 40 years and have always thought that if Oswald did it alone, then it wasn't with the bullet in evidence. It is truly absurd to claim that bullet caused 7, yes 7, gunshot wounds, including a shattered wrist. If Oswald did it alone(which i find extremely difficult to believe for numerous evidence based reasons) then something happened to the original bullet and LE panicked and put this one in evidence to save their careers. Because without a single doubt, it wasn't done with the bullet in evidence. I'll never believe the lone nutters truly think the bullet in evidence is responsible for those 7 wounds either. They continue to back it for patriotic reasons more than evidentiary. Sad but true. They are not that stupid. They know.
.....for patriotic reasons?...what on earth could you mean? ...a President was killed... The Best president we have ever had, & probably ever will have.... so How...can anyone call a Coverup of his Murder.....for patriotic reasons?
i feel like joe is really understating how hard those shots wouldve been lmao 😂😂 why is he so pressed about it? three shots in like three seconds adjusting for range for each shot on a bolt action rifle while the target is in a moving car??? come on joseph rogan
The shots aren’t hard IF you know the aim off at each distance. If Oswald used the scope, he would have to have held the crosshairs off the intended point of impact in both the vertical and horizontal axes (because of the unusual scope mount). If he used the iron sights, we know those were fixed at 200m. To hit at 81m (the head shot) the aim off would have been 12” low plus another 2” lower for the descending angle of the shot. Oswald was never trained to make those kind of adjustments. There’s no way he knew how to make those shots.
Joe says the part about “I know some great marksmen, and that shot could have been done”. One note about that, all the marksmen that Joe would know became masters of that during a time with vastly improved military technology and training as it relates to what existed in 1963. Were there people putting up Chris Kyle numbers in ‘63? No.
