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GO BAPTIZE YA KIDS! Joel we love ya! You continue to pump out great stuff every week-keep up the good work sir!

Love me some CP. these are my brothers, thanks for having them on. I’m truly enjoying your content Joel. Be blessed!

digging into some older RRM content. These guys are all legends in the Kingdom. God bless you all.

Chocolate Knox* “The LAST Thing people want to do when they’re wrong is REPENT.” . Me screaming at 7 am. “AMEN!”

This was a phenomenal, faithful, and encouraging conversation. It revealed to me that I need to repent for idolizing America and have faith in the Lords promises. Thanks brothers.

I also felt differently about politics and my responsibility towards it until I had kids. Having kids, though doesn’t fix you as a man, it really plants a desire in you for wholesomeness to abound. All of the friends and family I have that are nonchalant about what’s going, or dislike America, what are they missing? Kids.

“It’s one thing to admit that God was right, it’s another thing to admit that Doug Wilson’s right”. Genuine LOL moment!!

Your a good preacher with great theology…. As a non American watching you, its like watching james white… who is always sidetracked with America……

This podcast is sweet music to my ears. Great stuff!

America has strong foundation and some good ministries gives us hope, but we hold on to our nation loosely and pray for the best and prepare for worst.

John Winthrop's "On Christian charity" is an important read on Christian community!

This was great brother. Looking forward to meeting you in Victoria at Reformed Man this summer. 😎👊

Wow, some serious brain trust up in here! Love you brothers! You have me on the fence to become post-mill, from optimistic a-mill. Please point me to some resources to knock me over! Soli Deo Gloria!!

@16:48 I can help you go out to eat on Sunday with a clear conscience, Sunday is not the Sabbath, Saturday is.

Joel, God bless you and my brothers here at CrossPolitic. Interesting and helpful conversations here! Love our Sabbath feasts - we are still working on it. What was interesting in Europe, and particularly Germany, was that they are very "Sabbatarian" so to speak - so many places closed on Sundays. Yet, the most pagan culture I have ever been in while stationed there back in my military days. I always found that very interesting.

"an emotional and spiritual orgasm"...very well articulated! I was looking for a good way to put what happens on Sunday morning, especially for women, all across America

We must get rid of this its not loving to say something is bad ideology, if someone says brother youre not loving your neighbor by condemning their actions. We must say no they are destroying themselves and i love them so i do condemn their actions.

Now I understand why so many “adults” are mesmerized by a painting that looks like a 2 year old painted it and have worse theology than many 1st graders.

Brothers, can anyone recommend some solid books on theonomy?

So, Joel, how long till y’all join the crec?? ☺️

Theonomy and theonomist are simply two terms that are not often understood. You must explain and define your terms before going on the offensive

How can the Christian church in America be simultaneously worse than the reformations and full of false conversions but also be the things to cause Paul to be postmil? You can’t really argue both of those things together.

I don't understand how the conclusion was reached that the "ceremonial" Sabbath was done away with but that a sabbath is still applicable but we somehow pick the day we want to rest?

Wow. I thought I heard Joel say, "On Saturday I'm smoking weed, cooking brisket..." I backed it up and re-listened. I'm glad you're smoking meat and not smoking weed!

But isnt this then going to be the struggle? Who is going to be the deciding body of what is the "equity" or moral principles behind the law? I am sorry if I a mistaken, but it already looks like from the onset Theonomy is trying to redefine the Biblical Law and consequence to fit a contemporary standard, and by doing thus; wouldnt this make the Biblical Law and consequence subjective by those who are interpreting its equity? The only thing I can think of is a V for Vendetta scenario; where, like the commentator said "and we go from thou shalt not kill, to doing no neighbor harm," and it gets so knit-picky that butter becomes illegal because it is high in cholesterol, and thus, could cause a neighbor harm. Am I missing something here? If Gods Law is good, and the consequences just; why must we look for equity if we are trying to establish Gods Law as the universal rule. Isnt this another way of saying Gods Law is too harsh, and so are the consequences? And how can we do that if Gods Law is perfect? But I do agree with some of what they are saying. You really cant be a Christian without being a ideological Theonomist. When we fight for traditional marriage, unborn rights, or any other hot button moral issue of the day, we are actually pushing for theonomy/theocracy. Yet, somewhere between preserving the Constitution (which isnt a theocratic document) and establishing a Theonomic society; something is going to have to give. Either America will be home of the free; or home of the not free to sin without civil consequence. I think this is where a lot of these theo-political evangelicals are going to start to part ways; when they were fine with others losing their freedoms; but when it hits their doorsteps, for something they enjoy; they are going to jump ship. Just imagine how immoral 99% of movies are. Theonomy would eventually leave only movies that glorify Christ. Only music that glorifies Christ. Only clothing that glorifies Christ. Only hair styles that glorify Christ (sorry lead singer for Hillsong,) the only things that will be legal, or those things that glorify Christ....now who gets to decide what glorifies Christ based on the Bible? Who is this deciding body?

You Brothers are so awesome.. Choc. Nothin about Our Unity?) went a lil hard on the (Bapt/Presby) division Brother. We get it Bro, but CHRIST. Lol) LOVE Covers ~LOVE You, Bro!

So what do you do with refuge cities in the OT that allowed someone to flee for manslaughter and they couldn’t return safely until the current high priest had died? 🤔 I think the OT laws have a bedrock of wisdom we can look back and see (Dt 4:1-11) but if they aren’t reaffirmed in the NT how do you enforce it?

Is art an objective? Does it need rules and make sense to be judge it as beautiful? I personally agree. I hate modern art. Well most of it. Some are nice but overall the modern principle of art today is just all over the place.

How does one make sense of Colossians 2:16-17 where it says "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ."? Could someone further explain the arguments that in Christ the ceremonial aspect is fulfilled, but not the moral nor civil aspects, i.e. where in scripture does it say this? Thanks.

Are you a presbyterian or a reform baptist

The war is won...2,000 years ago at Calvary. Battles remain

Do you eat shell fish?

See, the thang is, about "winging it" in art. No true art is EVER winging it. The closest i can imagine to true winging is perhaps a sllo in a jazz piece. Yet even then, should i play guitar in a combo, my solo is going to be impromptu notes improvised in real time but ACCORDING TO a preconceived, agreed upon chord progression, in a known key, at a synchronized tempo and time signature..in other words my improv is in a very structured framework all the other musicians create and agree to. In visual art it is the same. But most importantly, if your art form happens to involve load-bearing components of a practical habitation or other building, you must adhere closely to the form which will not crumble and crush the tenants like an eastern european night-club.

22:30 Why do you have to be 6 hours away from me 😞

You have to prepare for the Sabbath. It’s wrong to pay someone to be your servant on the Sabbath - no matter how you want rationalize it, the Bible is clearly against it .

Saturday saves nobody

Hope to watch and learn...nothing else to do. I'm really down today. I don't like it here Noone will hire me. I can't see my family. I have given up hope.

Great word, preach it loud and strong till the lost feminized church is restored to it's rightful place in the sacred and secular and shakes off it's emasculation, there is great hope because of the bold witness of leaders exposing the lies and those who perpetrate them, therefore protecting the flock and advancing the kingdom till the earth is full of his glory.

One of the biggest criticisms I’ve heard to Theonomy is that it’s not the calling of the church to get involved with “secular” politics. We are to “only” be concerned with the Kingdom of God.

Can we whittle it down to "9 of the ten commandments are applicable in one way shape or form today?"

There is nothing new under the sun. Jaxkson Pollock was a drunkard when he splattered paint on canvas in a novel way in his day. His work looks like throwup, yet his works are in art history books and considered a genuis in his day...artsy angst plus alcholohol spirits make it a #spiritiual experience..his work is called #action art..the fact that he had spirits in hos body doesnt make him a spiritual artist..only riffing off of it.

I so resonate with Knox @ 41:38. Of course it’s not what I want, but it’s God’s story, not mine. I don't really agree with Sumpter's feeling that America has exported good “American” things around the world...Name one good thing, really. I don't want to be "that guy", but I can't ignore the complete, orchestrated demoralization of this country.

Great if one likes terminology or a professor,but for an average Joe can you give us examples,like if one sues someone and loses one one pay the accuser double ,got none of that ,so how is one to learn or tell others ,not here,why are we talking about seminaries and what they teach talk about Gods law ,I give all 3 of you a C minus ,remember one can pass with a D ,all these big words and hardly anything on Deuteronomy ,

Theonomy/Christian Reconstruction is NOT the general equity of the Westminster Standards.