CAZ SHOULD STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM, HE LET BIG HANK USE THE LYRICS, HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BLOW UP LIKE THAT, NOW MELLIE MEL REALLY NEED TO STOP IT, BECAUSE THEY ALSO LEFT THE STREET AND WENT MAINSTREAM AND PUT IT ON WAX AND SO ALL THESE RAPPERS SHOULD STOP IT, CAZ MADE A MISTAKE, NOW HE KNOW. BUT EVEN THOUGH THAT A LOT OF THESE RAPPERS ARE GREAT LYRICISTS, I TAKE THEY'RE CREDIBILITY AWAY FROM THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE BASHING THE SUGAR HILL GANG#1 FOR BEING THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER THAT JUMPED OFF ON WAX WITH RAP MUSIC, MELLIE MEL, CHAKA KHAN WAS VERY VERY UPSET WITH YOU, WHEN YOU CAME OUT WITH I FEEL FOR YOU, YOU JUST WENT IN THERE LIKE A MAD MAN A DIDN'T EVEN ASK HER PERMISSION TO DO THAT, AND YOU ARE UP HERE TALKING B.S, IF YALL WANTED HIP HOP TO STAY IN THE STREET, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ASKED TO PUT IN ON WAX, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY A FRONT, UP HERE TAKING $#@!
Yeah, Caz gave him the rhymes. Caz just didn't know what was going down. Where Hank got dissed was failing to acnowledge that Caz wrote it. Later (2004 or 2006) he finally kept it real.
There is no way Big Bank Hank had ANY part in writing those rhymes. He wasnt even a rapper at the time. Caz probably had dozens of rhyme books and didnt even really know what Hank needed it for. Remember rap records wasnt even a thing back then. Rhymes were written to be performed live and everyone in the area already knew who's rhymes they were so Caz probably saw no harm in letting him check out one of his many rhyme books. It wasnt like he could perform them in the area and claim that he wrote them. Caz let a person that he saw as harmless borrow the book without knowing his intentions.
WHAT'S WITH YOU PEOPLE, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE SAME VIDEO? HE LET HIM USE THE LYRICS. NO CAZ IS TRYING TO PLAY THE VICTIM, CAZ SHOULD HAVE STEPPED UP TO SYLVIA AND HER HUSBAND AND NOW HER SON'S, HANK GOT PERMISSION TO USE THE LYRICS, SEE CAZ LOSES ALL CREDIT WITH ME BECAUSE HE'S MAKING NOISE AND BLAMING OR ACCUSING HANK FOR STEALING THE LYRICS WHICH HE DIDN'T. NO MATTER THE SUGAR HILL GANG#1 IN MY BOOK, THAT DID IT ON WAX AND NOBODY CAN TAKE IT AWAY FROM THEM, NOT GRANDMASTER FLASH OR RUN D MC NO BODY THAT'S HOW AND WHY MANY OTHER RAP ARTISTS IS OUT THERE TODAY PUTTING IT ON WAX, HELL IF YOU DIDN'T WANT IT TO GO MAINSTREAM, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT IT ON WAX LIKE I SAID AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE THE SUGAR HILL GANG#1 AND THE FIRST PIONEERS IN THE RAP GAME. CAZ REALLY NEED TO STOP PLAYING THE VICTIM, HE LET HANK USE THE LYRICS, AND THAT'S THAT!
JUST STOP IT, AND REALLY LISTEN TO WHAT THEY BOTH ARE SAYING, AND TAKE IT FROM THERE, CAZ KNEW THAT HANK WAS GOING TO USE HIS LYRICS, HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BLOW UP LIKE THAT AND SOUND SO GOOD. SOMETIMES ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS LISTEN.
This is the first time I’ve ever heard Caz admit that Hank asked him to use his lyrics and Caz said YES. Most other retellings of this story suggest Hank used the lyrics without consent.
THANK YOU, CAZ IS WRONG ON BASHING HANK LIKE THAT, AND I REALLY DON'T CARE FOR HIM AND MELLIE MEL FOR DOING THAT. HANK KEPT IT CLEAN AND DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT CAZ. NOW I'M NOT GOING TO RESPECT CAZ AS A GHOST WRITER BECAUSE HE'S PLAYING THE VICTIM, I CAN'T STAND PEOPLE LIKE THAT, JUST BRING CONFUSION AND TROUBLE, HE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO SAY, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT HANK IS DEAD AND GONE HE'S MAKING MORE NOISE, AND I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE THAT DO THINGS LIKE THAT , JUST TROUBLE TROUBLE TROUBLE. THERE ARE MANY MANY GHOSTS WRITERS OUT THERE TODAY!
Mike and master Gee never got paid by the Robinson’s...those crooked MF’s stole all the money, stole the name of the group and even stole Mike and master Gee‘s names....the Robinson’s were complete frauds and so was Hank.
@@zacherynewton6866 Did they have a lawyer review their contract before they signed? I remember Treach of Naughty By Nature saying in an interview that rappers have learned to not sign any papers without having an entertainment lawyer look them over first.
When i first saw this Cas version of what transpired it had me in tears.. 😂😂😂A prime e.g of what we used to call a lyrical pirate or biting m.c. But that story from Cas is legend now.
Caz has incredible character, integrity. and grace, it's just one of those curve balls that life will throw at you. What Hank did is ALL KINDS AND ALL WAYS WRONG.
1 he trusted Hank. 😞 Hank said "I rapped what was on the tape". He knew he did Caz dirty and he wasn't rapping, rapping. Otherwise like Caz said he would have said that's not me I'm not a rapper. If it was his music, his art he was invested in he'd have said something more personal like I did some of my lyrics that I had on tape. I get it, it was different times as far as hip hop in mainstream music business, copyright, royalties and etc. Still even if he said I wanna use some of your rhymes, did Caz agree which ones. Did Hank offer any money for it or acknowledge him which, clearly, Caz thought he should/would at some point? I think all things considered Caz got stung because of the culture at the time and the misplaced trust he had in a 'friend' its a shame. He should get paid now.
of course Caz didn't copyright his shit at the time. No one was thinking like that. Rap was fresh, new and done by kids. Rap wasnt even making records yet who the fuck would have thought to copyright their shit when our fathers weren't even around to safegaurd our talent(s)..
Grand master cAZ got the most posas he's gonna introduce him self,... Dj Mc upon the Microphone ,..has style like no one else!!!!....@ Originality!!!! PERIOD!!!!
Sylvia Robinson should have also did the right thing, too. In my opinion, she did some rap artists dirty, taking writing / publishing credit for rap songs i strongly doubt she wrote.
This situation with Hank and Caz just never sat right with me , surely there must be some legal recourse where Caz can get some royalties from "Rappers Delight"
The Competency and Capacity element of a legal contract wasn’t there. There was also no Consideration meaning Caz should have received something in return for allowing Hank to use his lyrics either. Any verbal agreements between the two would have been void. It’s messed up that he slipped and said whatever but he would not be bound by it in a courtroom. Wonder if he ever talked to a lawyer about it? Probably was too cool for all that felt he would surpass Hank in the industry anyway, eventually, because his lyrics were obviously on that hit level. He still should’ve sued Hank down to his Hanes. 😎
Raymond Parks no it wasn’t stolen technically. Hank used FREE RYHMES. Ethically it wasn’t okay but technically it was because they weren’t copy written and just free off of the top of Caz’ head ryhmes. And plus Caz said sure to giving Hank the RYHMES and should have asked more questions when Hank ASKED to use his stuff.
Such a sad ordeal that hip hop had to riginate from another MC stealing from another. Caz was great lyrically, but hank definitely had one of the best voices in hip hop comparitivily.
Yo he said he didn't even change the name to fit his own name 😂 Big Bank Hank said there was some that we wrote together 😂🤣😂 This is hilarious you can't make this up
If caz would have known that verse was gonna be as big as its become he def wouldnt have gave it to him or he would have at least got some publishing or writer credits
@1980Triumph, yeah but as Caz says in another interview, since that time, he still has to explain to people when they ask and he is sick and tired of it. Everytime there´s an anniversary, evrytime there´s a sugar hill gang reunion etc it keeps coming back at him. It won´t go away. And now there´s talk of that track being in a hall of fame or something like that, Caz has now put a move on to get recognition for the lyrics if it´s to be inducted into any hall of fame and that means a lawsuit and getting paid from now on and back pay. People that write lyrics on top tracks earn multiples 1000´s every year and anyone would say yes to that including Caz. nypost.com/2014/01/26/writing-cred-for-rappers-delight-sparks-grudge/
Caz didn't copyright his rap!? Ouch!! I believe Caz is (righfully!) seething here because he knows the royalties for this ONE rap song could have added up to the MILLIONS for him!!
@@raspberryjamOZ But you still had the music publishing business then. Which aside from doing live shows, that's a good way to make money (writing songs). Sylvia Robinson (singer, producer) could see it. Her name is on some classic raps songs from the early '80s, but i strongly doubt she wrote any of them. I wish Caz had talked to an entertainment lawyer back then. Michael Jackson, Teena Marie, Ray Charles and Otis Redding (and others) found out about it and reaped the benefits from it.
It’s probably to prevent automatic content detection because the guy that posted this swiped it from someone else who didn’t have permission to post it.
@@radish6691 i think this has to do with stabilization formats going from tape to a different tape to digital. Somebody could probably use some software to fix it now
I guess it went down the way is was supposed to go down, the track is part of history now, I hope he got paid but Sylvia Robinson probably didnt know Hank didnt write it all, but she put Rapers delight on the map big time. She didnt invent rap but recognized what is was going to do, she didnt open the door, she created the door and then held it open.
Don't be fucking stupid, theft, dishonesty, being fake and not giving credit to a legend was not the way it was "supposed to go down". And she didn't do shit. Hip Hop was underground for many years after Rappers Delight. Rap has only become popular over the past few years with artists like Eminem. Eric B and Rakim, Public Enemy, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane, Melle Mel or KRS1 never got the money nor respect they deserve.
Cap 🧢,,,I dont believe grandmaster caz...in fact,,caz might of help write some of those lyrics,,but I know dam well he didn't write all hanks lyrics on rappers delight...Also just for the record,,hanks voice and delivery is iconic,,and I highly doubt if caz coulda brought the same magic to the rappers delight song that hank brought...R I P BIG BANK HANK 🙏🏾,,,will never be another...
@JovonTLC Especially being so young! Who would have thought about that then?To me, Hank was vague in his "defense". Maybe they did corroborate, but he's NOT Cassanova Fly, unless he could argue that the C-A-S and the O-V-A and the rest is F-L-Y is from him. Maybe it was. After all, Cassanava Fly is who he is, but just MAYBE he did NOT create that particular rhyme. I dunno.
Ever who comments and says fuck hank or you know that just business or thats hip hop you all need to remember this who is name is still your mouth let me guess all yeah grandmaster caz and not big bank hank. Shit I didn't even know this niggas name until i saw this fucking video. Caz is a legend in the hip hop culture and the sugar hill gang is just a group who had there couple hits but thats it.
@@bigolbabyhuey I know where you're coming from that's why you don't do business on speculation I don't care how tight you guys are.... Caz made a foolish move and Hank ran with the loot
@@billygrady6199 That's life.....the business mind wasn't even there to imagine capitalizing of his intellectual property in the early days and considering that was the first rap record that really popped and became a big success, it is what it is. Caz didn't even think those rhymes were that ill so he didn't see the value in them himself. That probably happens plenty in the music business IMO
@@bigolbabyhuey Nah, Hank heard his tape & stole his lyrics. Why would Caz give him his lyrics lol. A real MC isn't gonna just give away his lyrics that was already on a song. Use common sense before making such a foolish comment.
Here the rub though, the songwriter credit goes to Nile Rodgers & Bernard Edwards(the original writers of "Good Times"). So when the song get played on the radio or movies("The Wedding Singer"), Nile & Bernard get paid for songwriting royalties. Sugarhill Gang get record sale royalties which is not much. Still if Caz is still sore about it, get a lawyer & sue Sugar Hill Record/Rhino & Warner Brother Records to get your cut. Other than that, learn your lesson to copyright your shit.
We’re talking about the inception of the craft, I’m sure he knew nothing about copyright. He was 18 or 19 years old when this happened. I’m sure he’s attempted to sue, but the powerful music machine crushed him along with Hank refusing to admit to stealing in the beginning.
What was Hank thinking? The least he could have done was change the lyric instead of rapping Casanova Fly. For that reason, I think Hank is probably telling the truth regarding them working together on lyrics. There's a bit of malpractice on both sides. When Sugarhill Gang started making money, everyone emerged looking for their cut. Hank should have had the sense to change the lyric at the very least, though I'm sure he was caught up with what the record company was doing as well.
Did anyone actually listen to this interview?? Hank did not steel anything! Caz himself says in this interview that Hank came to him and ASKED to use some of his rhymes and he said ok. Its to bad that caz did not have a manager or drew up a contract for the use of them.
Big Bank Hank was a fraud he used his friends rhymes…… and he didn’t even have the decency to Let her know who his friend was…. HE MISREPRESENTED HIMSELF! He couldn’t bring them in because he wasn’t honest from the beginning….
+CALICOTV301 The dude is all hype over one line in a song, Hank had other lines too and Hank never claimed to have written them so it is weird how big of a deal this has been made out to be. I really don't get it, but this is how it is at the bottom, always reaching up out of the barrel.
@@1980Triumph you must have fell and bumped your head. Hank made a lot of money off that song and Caz never got credit nor did his career flourish. So I’d be pissed too.
@@mr.mr.4772 Hank never received any royalties and it was only a few lines. Cas also gave them freely and only made a stink afterwards. Everyone got ripped off but Hank never ripped off Cas, Cas gave the lyrics up without a fuss.
@@bigolbabyhuey u say that to say what? He spelled another man name out on a record pretending to be him 😑 A bronx dude at that time know the consequences of that, thats a jersey thing it is what it is
Caz should quit bitching and moaning. He gave Hank permission... he admitted that he did. While I do believe that Caz was the better writer and probably wrote most of the stuff, he and Hank worked together for years, so I believe it when Hank says they wrote some stuff together. Why didn't Caz sue for royalties? He knows that his claim is bullshit. Hank was a great rapper and the fans loved him on the Mike. Haters like Melle Mel are jealous to this day because Rappers Delight was much bigger and loved more than anything he ever released.
