BIG Updates Coming To Skyrim, FO4, and Starfield 

I'll say this, I will never charge for Skyland mods. Now my next mods? I'll charge $3.50 each 'cause I"m a Loch Ness monster.

Never! Keep Skyrim free..

@@chrisanders713I agree. Not a fan and after the trash they wanted you to pay for with with Creation Club, I don't think there will be anything of substance. Also, scared previously free mods now may cost some cash.

I make mods that I want to use and share them for free Donations welcome~

IMO the problem with creation club has been a matter of value. Give me the Skyrim alt armours merged + seamless integration and maybe we're talking ~$5 but actual offering was too much for too little. paying for mods has an extra layer, quality and quality control is all over the place; is skyland worth $10? maybe now (and i just put my money where my mouth is) but not in early iterations and you would have a damn hard time getting me to pay upfront. It might mean small teams putting out hearthfires or knights of the nine sized content if it's profitable which would be a win; that's the content i wanted out of CC and would be willing to spend a coffee on occasionally.

😂😂😂😂 man you made my day thanks for the laugh

Thanks for the comment. You're right, a little disappointed BUT the pay mods are just for the Creation Club content. It's rumor that mod authors can charge for their mods. Plus, Todd for over a year has been saying they want to offer a platform for mod authors to be compensated for their work. Personally, I like how Nexus does it with offering ad revenue from the site to mod authors.

to me what makes the most sense, if modders want to make a living off of their mods, is they make and test their mod with the PC community without charging the PC community because they are their testers, and when the mod is finally finished, then they move the console version and then the people on the consoles pay as at that point it's a finished mod where most bugs have been hammered out.

@@5226-p1e Sounds like a really poor disguise to say you just want free mods while also spitting on console players. Modding costs time and labour. Some do it as a fun hobby. Most modders are fine with being paid in "likes" and "exposure" while others need more of an incentive or see an opportunity to benefit from, and exercise their acquired skillsets. The PC "community" aren't their testers. They're doing you a favor by sharing their work. Patreon mods are fine. If you create an appealing enough product, people will pay for it. Most patreon mods I've come across are of extremely high quality. Also most mods don't require extensive testing by tens of thousands of people.

I agree. This is just the start of a strategy to push the pay-to-play subscription model. Drop a base game, give the modders a platform and then charge players to swap between the differing modded styles for the game. This has been happening in slow motion for years now; it's only going to pick up speed as MS are allowed to gobble up studio after studio. I imagine as the owners of the IP they will eventually add 'new' DLC, which will be surprisingly similar to certain mods if they are not part of the pay-to-play platform. I'd love to see a legal argument if they start to force payments for previously free mods that have already been downloaded.

@@The-Skyking What if Beth gets it in their heads to somehow lock the game to only creation club mods hosted on their store?

"Let me die" ~ Skyrim probably.

i think most of the payed mods are going to be coming from the mod authors and not so much from bethesda, i think bethesda want people to purchase their crap, but most people simply don't download them because most of the time they really suck in comparison to mod author created mods, so they will likely set up some kind of deal with the mod authors. just hopefully they don't try to cheat the mod authors like last time back in 2014 when they tried to do the payed mods thing and tried to take 90% of the profits made per mod sold. to me it would only make sense that bethesda only takes 10% off of the top of the profit earnings, and the mod author gets the rest, because there could potentially be thousands of mods being created each month, and all bethesda would have to do is sit back and watch the endless passive income flow into their system, but they will only get to that point when they do everything else just right.

Re previously free mods. This is a dynamite area legally. I've yet to see any challenge but I can imagine a scenario where the like of Bethesda are challenged by gamers for content that had been free now locked behind a pay wall. It's the equivalent of giving someone a car, which they maintain and spend time and money to improve, then coming back and saying "That car we gave you is now going to cost you x". It's a cheap trick and I've seen it done in other areas where people get use to an "Free time limited offer", to entice it's take up and then slap the users with a fee once they are use to it. Hell - Adobe have been doing this for years.

Okay, so that's my confusion. They say it's background. Okay...got it. Does that mean the stuff for the bethesda site and all that jazz doesn't effect the game? Sure. The creation kit not being able to upload because the site changes? Got it. OR do they mean when they do all the site stuff then update Skyrim...That's why I said conflicting. I'm expecting the update to mess things up for SKSE. And that's Pi Cho with NAT III weather for enb. It's in my 2023 Skyland Load Order video and the spreadsheet with links is on the discord.

@@The-Skyking so from my understanding, if it's just a background update it doesn't change the game version and is really just maintenance. It's pretty common in many games today for live updates to be rolled out making minor adjustments that don't change the game version. I could be wrong on that, but that is how I understand it to be. According to a bethesda dev, this coming update should not break SKSE

Right click on skyrim in your library and choose properties > updates > automatic updates > only update this game when I launch it. Then never launch it through steam or only do so in offline mode. Launching through SKSE won't update it.

@@zaguldo THANK YOU so much :)

@@sywypl Yeah I think I will do that too. I'm very happy with my build load and state (except for hassles with DynDOLOD 3 Output errors). Thanks.

You can also as an extra precaution click on the "steam" tab in the upper right corner and scroll down to "settings" and click on "updates" there you can activate a "scheduled updates" then chose it to update between say 4am and 5am. Basically when you are sure you won't be playing, or having the PC on.

We'll see. Could be awesome.

​@@The-Skykingit's like you haven't paid attention the last 5 years or more. Only disappointments on Bethesda's part so far. We better don't hope for a miracle so we won't be let down again😔😔😔

It's certainly a delicate balance. But as a porter, you know there are many others that take things from nexus without perms and use alt account to upload to bethesda. If there is now financial gain, that will only get worse.

@@The-Skyking yup, my point precisely. This will only make the whole situation around porting mods more murky and contentious.

I agree.

You're gonna eat your words.

yes

So you don't mind pay 50 cents for a leaf mod that by himself doesn't do nothing of worthy for the look of the game. you have to buy the trees the water the weather etc for it to have a impact in your game. Even just 50 mods you do the math. Imagine a mod list 2000 mods.

Yes I would pay for a mod if they are lore friendly and in creation club, because I am not ricking my games just in case it all crashes.@@john45hhh

I doubt it. Bethesda are only changing their own mod page. Nexus and the other mod pages are unchanged as they are owned by other companies. Besides, those are monstrous mods in filesize and consoles have a 5gb storage cap for mods, so i doubt any of those mods will end up on Bethesda's mod page.

@@AndreasSweden what about the unofficial patch and Skyrim extended cut?

@@Eizo500-95 Those are on Bethesda's mod page, and technically their mod authors could decide to charge money for them. But it would be a pretty Sh"##y thing to do. And i seriosly doubt the mod authors for those mods will do that. To be clear. Bethesda have only added the option - on Bethesda's mod page only - for mod authors to charge money for mods they upload there. It does not mean that every mod auther will do that. But some probably will upload mods and charge money for it. The mods you have in your loadorder from Bethesda's modpage (the one you acces from the Skyrims main menu) are safe as they are. You have already downloaded them. So if say unoficiall patch suddenly costs money, they can't charge you for having downloaded it when it was free.

I'd pay for Skyblivion, not sure about the other two though

OH I'm sure it will. You're good.

Like the video says, either don't update or download a backported exe file from steam if you're on pc. If on xbox, you'll have to update.

Hey, if you're not constantly making a profit or good games, gotta make money somewhere.

Yeah, this is why I think they should just have donate buttons on mods.

How about another empty moon in starfield?

I believe it's mainly for the creation club content and give mod authors an option.

It depends on how greedy mod authors are as a whole. For example, I would fully expect dingle berries like Arthmoor to charge for mods like the unofficial skyrim patch

Modding community about to rolling in cash (maybe). I bet marketplace will see more mods than ever. Like when nexus started offering DP points to mod authors.

Since when was Bethesda user friendly lol

It would be up to the mod author if they want to charge for there mod. Bethesda is just giving them an avenue. That is IF the rumor is true.

They are owned by Microsoft now. I'm betting BGS has little say in marketplace microtransactions. But it was pretty clear once Microsoft bought BGS

@@the_skajakwdr950 Bethesda has tried this a few times, even way before Microsoft buying them. They've been hinting at this for a couple years now.

It’s not like Bethesda would make the money off the mod, it’s more for the creator

I don't see how or why they'd be removed from the Nexus.

@@The-Skyking I forgot that the nexus ont allow mod removal anymore, ooops t

@@briansmith381 Yeah and I kinda agree with it. I can archive meaning only I can see the mod. Like there are 20 archived versions I have of Skyland that are not accessible or viewable by nexus users. BUT, if say a Nexus Collection used that specific version of Skyland, it wouldn't break the Collection if I hide/deactivate/archive the mod. Which is good for users.

Bethesda has tried this a number of times, even way before being owned by Microsoft, they've really been trying to monetize mods. As for the second part of your comment, I agree. I wonder if there will be a backlash like all the times before and bug fixing mods would suck to have to pay for.

I'm using Manjaro with Steam. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that if it breaks it won't get left out with fixes because it's a linux incompatible. I can't use the vortex mod manager on Manjaro (not having that much skill) but rely on the basic mod manager off the start screen. Last time upgrading to AE, most of my mods didn't register with their mod manager and I was limited to what they offered in their lists. The omissions due to this broke my saved games.

@@osborne9255 You SHOULD be able to install mod organizer 2 on linux. But using the ingame mod manager might yield bad times.

I'm aware that Bethesda has tried this in the past, but now they are part of a mega corporation ,that having been allowed to purchase so many studios, I'm more concerned than before. The strategies that can be employed by such a massive number of studios in tandem with the OS to run the games on is scary. They really could change how games are played and paid for, due to being able to change the economy of the industry, making it harder for independents to compete. As far as I'm concerned the watchdogs of various countries have either been fast asleep, or worse, by allowing this massive hoarding of IP, studio income and access to sit within an org that is known to be anti-consumer (has been fined multiple times). MS really do now have a strangle hold on gaming, with only Sony competing in a like for like manner. Neither are good for the long term viability of the industry. There are a few bright lights, namely Nexus and Steam, but if either of them decide to use a pay-to-play or paywall model, in order to stay alive in a changing economy, then we are all in deep trouble.

You had me lol at "bethesda's gonna see me at their front door". I believe it. Paying for new creation club mods, fine. I don't want them and won't pay for them but if they give MA's the option to sell their mods that were free, I'd be a little sore about it. Luckily we have Nexus for PC.

Question I downloaded some mods but do I need to download them in a playthrough for them to save?

@@TheNovanod I don’t understand the question, do you mean for them to be baked into a save? If you just mean downloaded to your computer, they’re there and yours.

@@TheNovanod Are you on PC or console? If you are on PC, use a mod tool like Mod organizer two or Vortex, as it's easy and more safe. But generally; when you launch the game, you launch the mods as well.

And we must not forget either, that if modders are so active on Bethesda games, it is because Bethesda games come out completely broken day one, even Starfield. Modders do bethesda's work for free.

Like you said, Bethesda belongs to Microsoft now. MS might be one of the biggest technology companies, but it has a full history of extremely dubious decisions, including taking down other companies to ruin. Nokia, once the largest mobile phone company in the world and indeed the developer of many essential core technologies in the field, decided to ally itself with Microsoft. A few years later Nokia wasn't manufacturing phones at all, anymore, and is nothing but a shadow of its former self. How on Earth could that even happen? It's Microsoft magic. So, now that Bethesda is a part of Microsoft, all bets are off. All of them. It wouldn't even surprised me if three years from now Bethesda didn't exist anymore and all the popular Bethesda titles were terminated. Microsoft is capable of that, just believe it. Of course I hope it won't happen, but it's entirely possible.

Thank you for the compliment. I will say compared to skyrim as a base game, modders certainly seem like pros. And yes, bethesda will take a cut from paid creation club mods. Also, about sony. Playstation players can purchase creation club content. If bethesda now says ALL mods are treated under the creation club banner or any one can submit their mod to creation club, than sony SHOULD, in theory get the mods too.

But staying real it's only modders this game is still alive and making any sales. On itself most of us would have stopped playing it very very long ago

Nothing wrong with SE. I'm still rocking 1.5.94

I'm still playing oldrim too and I downloaded a pirated SE and AE there's no way i would pay for the same thing

That was going from SE to AE. This is just an update. Not a new version of the game.

I'm prolly wrong but, doesn't starfield use the same engine?

Oh I'm not, but I know a lot of people that watch this channel are and since it's all related, thought I'd throw it in there. I should give FO4 another shot....

@@The-Skyking Ok that sounds cool. It is a good universe just not Fallout 76 😂

@@PowerfulRift That's what i've heard!

do

Is there a way to make updates not automatic?

If the update breaks SKSE, you can downgrade your exe to use the current skse and then update when skse is updated.

@@vergilsgamingchair8772 Search for : How to stop steam auto updates for Skyrim You'll find god tutorials there.

I agree. Mods really do add a lot and some are like a brand new game. I think tipping, donations, etc is a good trade.

@@The-Skyking You are a mod author right? For Skyland? Love Skyland by the way, staple in all my load orders. For a mod like yours, just as an example, I'd gladly pay for it as if it were a small add-on for the game. Not sure what you would see as a fair price for your time and effort, but as far as the finished product goes I'd say it's definitely worth 5 to 10 bucks if a full game is worth 60. I think it'd be more fair for you to get paid a set price per download rather than have to rely on the goodwill of people who enjoy your work.

Usually I install around 100 mods and it will easily cost more than game itself. Btw creator of the mod gets around 20% of revenue that's even worse than paying to creator

And how much will it cost for skyrim with 1000 mods? Or 2000 mods 1000$?

@@sywypl well if you had to pay for the mods in the first place, and weren't spoiled by the free labor we've all been getting for years, I think a lot about the modding scene would be different. Like, for example, I'm willing to bet that a lot more mods would be collaborative efforts between multiple authors to build mods with a wide range of changes. Were that more commonplace, I'm sure most wouldn't even need 2000+ mod load orders, but just a few large packages each for around 5 to 10 bucks. Even if that weren't the case, my point wasn't to say that every single mod in a 2000+ mod load order needs to be worth 5+ dollars, because I'm sure a ton of those mods would just end up being little patches, fixes, etc that just do one small thing per mod. In those cases I'm not really sure how the pricing should work out, but I would agree that tiny mods like that aren't worth that same 5+ as a bigger overhaul type mod that changes the appearance or mechanics of a large portion of the game, or the 10+ for mods that add whole DLCs or full games worth of content to the game. In the case of those tiny mods, maybe some sort of "build bundle" kinda thing could be introduced, where you can bundle together a bunch of tiny mods till it reaches that 5+ price range. Or maybe tiny mods should continue being free, and a certain threshold should be set between what does and doesnt qualify for payment. Either way, I don't know what Bethesda plans are, and I don't really keep up with this shit. To be honest I didn't even watch this video lol, I had it on as background noise and then commented because I found the subject worth talking about. So I'm not trying to defend Bethesda if the way their going about this is shitty or shady in some way. My only point here is that I think modding requires somebody's time and effort, and I don't know about you but I certainly don't work for fuckin free. They deserve to be paid for their services, and shouldn't have to rely on the good graces of someone who likes their mods, cares enough to look into the authors patreon, and has the money to spare, as the only payment for what can often amount to months or even years of work.

It's against the Bethesda TOS to solicit payment or offer payment. The nexus also has something similar. Tips and so forth isn't really included. Paywalls are frowned upon.