For Elc gameplay, BooBoo is paranoid. Many players play this game for more than 10 years on same maps...Many of bushes are known for spotting spots. I was accused many times for cheating because I was shooting blind on spot bushes.
True. I also blind fire locations on maps because they are known spotting bushes etc.. I have many kills and a lot of damage from this and have been "reported" for cheating as well lol.
Just one look on the map, and you'll understand why that guy pushed forward. BooBoo overstayed to the point he was surrounded by around six enemies, pushing towards the remaining two allies on that flank. He screwed up bigtime, but his ego can't allow him to admit that. "I have 50k battles and can't do no wrong! 😭"
Tend to agree, it was time to push forward, he might as well drive through the obvious spotting bush vs a team with 3 scouts with HE loaded. I would do that too and laugh when I got the scout.
@@Bonde7280 That was my initial thought too. The td player just has good game sense. Everyone else got spotted as they pushed forward and their own ELC was also quite forward. Knowing this it's not hard to take a good guess at where one of the two ELC could be hiding. He even gets spotted as he drives down from his bush so it's a pretty strong indicator of how close the ELC is.
Enemy had big advantage there, so KPZ could freely move arround. Since being spotted all the time he could conclude ELC is in the area, so he loaded HE and rushed forward...
This ARL is why they need team kill back. The ELC in the second game would have really been mad in that same game with me because I blind fire that bush just because lights go there. So his complaint is weak.
Bogdan, I absolutely thank you from my heart. Thank you for ruining premium clickers game. You got a seperate place in my heart and you’ll always be there. Clickers deserve this
@@patrickrobinson545 Give Gundam Battle Operations 2 on Steam a shot; it's like World of Tanks with mobile suits with gameplay like when world of tanks originally released. the only bad thing is the peer-to-peer match maker.
the Kanonenjagdpanzer ran into the ELC EVEN 90 by accident as he was moving up to that bush. he probably had HE loaded already as he's looking for a scout. then he and everybody else on the team shot the ELC once he was lit up. i see no problem with this.
I've seen other streamers work out exactly where the spotter is because they logically work out which bushes are occupied. If you watch Steve Wallst play, he quickly works out where the enemies are and can then blind kill them. That particular bush is often used for spotting and he worked out that his teammates were being spotted because someone was there. He decided to drive to the bush because his team had moved up and he could not guarantee to kill you with a blind shot. Easier to drive up, shoot and then ram.
That bush is a bit dangerous to get to... but one behind is not so dangerous, and one near the house is safe spotting... All are in line on which KPZ was driving... No wonder ELC was found...
No doubt. Bozo ELC sat there facing forward, when he could have reoriented 180. TD player knows his own camo value and if he is getting spotted, there can only be one position the enemy is viewing from. The solitary bush. I would be willing to bet that the TD player has alot of experience in light tanks and handles them alot better than the crybaby ELC.
It wasn't a wild guess. While the Muppet is correct that there are multiple places he could have detected the KnJpnz, there is only ONE place he could have done so without being counter-detected by the red scouts. That bush is too obvious.
And that flank practically fell down... No wonder KPZ moved... and he knew there was someone since we all have light bulb on screen now (too bad not much in heads of players). Unfortunately ELC didn't run away on time, and I don't think I would either found a time to run away... That bush is "a bush too far"...
Yup, and the other two obvious scouting bushes are in that same trajectory, so JagPantz was gonna get lucky at one of the three just by yoloing in a straight line.
there were only 3 bushes in near straight line where he can only be hidden. On outside on this area their own Elc moved forward, so he couldnt be there. Further from the bush at the house behind you cant spot TDs at this stone, if not complete brainless coming in front of the bush. the second shot was a test if still spotted. I was often with Lights on this map and know you must be in middle of the spot area to spot Kanpz at the stone. Was easy guess for him.
Funny you say that. WG posted something a decade ago, that stated. One team will be the "Attacking" team, and one team will be the "Defending" team. It is up to the players to figure out what team they are on. So with that said, there is some truth to your comment.
@@KOS762 Depending on the map, and/or the current cirucumstances of the battlefield. Some maps are one sided, definite win. When WG claims that all maps are optimized to be equal for both sides. Also, the matchmaking system is quite rigged. I've played with and without my father, each game I have with him is a loss... Even when he plays solo, most of his games are losses, even when he carries the team. I've had games were the enemy team is full of unicums whilst my team would be full of tomatoes, oranges, and lemons. Even with multiple tier match-ups, there would be 2 tier ten heavies that have decent armor on one side when the other side has 2 tier eight heavies that have barely any armor. Something about getting selected to the team that is gauranteed to lose...seems very true when you experience both sides.
The ELC was basically 3/4 surrounded with the enemy ELC close on his left flank. That narrowed the possible locations he could hiding in down to a few bushes in the open. That bush, and I believe the bushes over next to the buildings were possibilities. When the TD moved up and got spotted again, he went for it. The bush the ELC was hiding in was pretty much the closest set of bushes, so he made a beeline for it. He also had time in that tank, with intuition, to change to HE during the drive over. In fact, I went back and counted off the seconds coming off the hill to firing With a rammer, I think he had time without Intuition.
105 knew when he was spotted.And went stealth behind a land feature. Didn't fire and emerged back where he was spotted again when there was ONLY one light tank left on the opposing team. He already knew the other opponents were engaged with his teammates. He could have guessed where the ELC was yes but logically that was the most likely spot where he'd be, Players who play TDs a lot also get used to being spotted and begin to sort out just where the spotter is expected to be through trial and error. The 105 didn't have much risk of being spotted and shot since there were no real threatening amount of players left to shoot him. 3 to 8 was the score in favor of the 105's team. TDs who are generally blind can always use topography and their map to sniff out popular positions for light tanks to nest. It's not that difficult. ELC player had weak teammates and a fragile ego. Sucks when you get outsmarted but the 105 made his move forward when the odds were in his favor.
I think the Kanonenpanzer could have used the spotting mechanic to figure out where the ELC was, or made a good educated or lucky guess. The ELC guy probably thinks the Apollo 11 moon landing was faked too.
The entire enemy flank was surging forward. And you can even spot the moment the Kanonpanzer spotted him as he momentarily began to swerve and then figured to ‘go for it’.
ELC gameplay : BooBoo is wrong. If he stayed a little behind he would not spotted second time the canonnen. I play ELC with experimental optics, CVS, spotting directive , full 5 level crew and from a little behind you cannot spot enemies from left, or where cannonen was unless they shoot. So the enemy player guessed where it was
Honestly, the 105 kannon just sounds like an experienced player that got fed up with his team being passive af ;D. There are some really obvious spotting locations that seemed like one.
Yep, I thought the same. A expierenced player would be able to estimate where the pesty Elc 90 is hidding. Nothing fishy on the behave off the Kannonenjagdpanzer 105 is my opinion.
To answer to you both, I believe that a good and experienced player would shoot HE from behind cover before rushing to verify or dismiss some positions.
@@captainkyrkis2908 would, could, should how precise 🤣 you should believe what ever you want, what ever you like. May you ask yourself since when you are playing the game, did you own Kannonenjagdpanzer 90 mm and Kannonenjagdpanzer 105 addtional to ELC Even 90 ? Did you know enauph how spotting mechanic works, did you recocnize it was the Late-Game-Phase? The CS 59 was behind ELC and the ELC EVEN 90 was never spotted before. So after the Kannonjagdpanzer 105 was spotted the second time he knew the ELC was inside his own Camo-circle and gues what, that Bush was the obvisous solution, The long reload time, 70 km/h Topspeed makes the Decision easy how to deal with this Situation - for some off us 🤣🤣🤣 If you feel happy believe Aliens came along to tell the evil german where the poor french was hidding, do as you like. (Hopefully you stay allways in the red team, 😜 hope you "could" take a joke) May QB, Skill, Daki enlight you. I understand that cyprus has a lack off Bushes and big Tank-Battles😘
@@t_7692 now why did you get offended and start berating me, my skills and my country? Is that what makes you great? Belittling others so you have a sense of superiority? I just stated what I believed someone would do. But I guess you are as sure of what that kjpz is doing as you are of how words are spelled.
@@captainkyrkis2908 There was no offending and berating 😁 That was only Questioning what would an experienced player do! If you feel belittled, I feel really really sorry for you. Superior feelings about other humans thats a wrong concept believe me, so there is no room for feel belittled. The Expose what KJpz 105 was doing was only to show up that his conclusion was totaly logic and not fishy. You asked for the answer with your start "To answer to you both..." To quote Mighty Jingles: "If you can't take a joke don't play world of Tanks." Unfortunately, making me feel bad doesn't work. I have no conscience, just pure cold logic. That is something is to be learned from Stoicism. Best regards 😘
There is a hamlet on the Orkney mainland, Scotland called "Twatt." It is to the north of the island if you google map it, where the A986 joins the A967. There is also a hamlet called "Firkin Point" on the shores of Loch Lomond. So if someone asks you what's the F---- P--- you can tell them! As for the BooBooKittly drama, the TD that destroyed him , but he could also be a light tank player and knows the good spotting positions. He was spotted twice, so I think he could have concluded there was a spotter in that bush and went to take him out. In other words, a team player.
Did you know if you live in New Jersey, the Falkland Islands sounds like they are saying "F'ing Islands"? It's because of the accents they have there. When they teach that in the schools in Jersey, the classes always break up laughing. "What? it's the Falkland Islands". lol
ELC is a sore loser, spotting in the most obvious spotting bush in the map and cry when he got yolo-ed, plus enemy team has pushed far ahead on J-K line so rushing isn't that big of a risk for KanJPz
Yup - been there unspotted had that happen a number of times. Easy to work out by a process of elimination when you can see where most of the rest of the enemy team is too. Quite possible that the enemy ELC could have pinged that spot as most likely where he would be if on the enemy team :)
ELC is conflating circumstance with conclusion. KPZ likely knew something was there, saw the other LTs were dead, concluded an ELC was in the area, that side was mostly broken, so he YOLO'd to find him. Happens all the time.
Did that other guy have the "Commander's vision equipment?" Doesn't that give a tank commander the added advantage of spotting tanks in bushes and behind other structures?
yeah, i'm with Claus on this. correlation does not imply causation. maybe the kanonenjagdpanzer suspected that there was a light somewhere ahead, loaded HE, and took it upon themself to sniff it out.
@@hainevidia8753 Look at the map. Even if the ELC would have not been there, the enemy had no reasons to camp anymore, so he would still drove there. Nothing weird or almost a word there.
@@XtreeM_FaiL Not necessarily, why specifically in that direction and not slightly right / left ? Even so, there was no hesitation in KpJpz’s move. Straight to the bush. Usually when you’re looking for a light and not so sure about it’s location, you swipe the area left and right. Moreover, Kp had various option to move, yet he’s chosen the most unpractical of them. There was a potential risk to be in a crossfire despite what the minimal was displaying.
I think Kajpz 105 wanted a position closer to the enemy, not being a back-map sniper. He drove straight toward the WLC to keep bushes between him and the snipers on the ELC side. I think the Kajpz 105 just chose to change positions to sit in a salad bowl and just happened to be the salad bowl the ELC was in. Of all the games I've played where I thought I was being snitched out by my teammate, I was taken out by blind shots over and over, regardless of where I repositioned while stealth. If the Kajpz 105 thought the ELC was in the bush, he would have known the ELC has a clip and to blindly charge in without first firing over and over into the bush would be a bonehead choice. The "offending player" would have been told where the ELC was and the Kajpz 105 would have bushed himself in a sniper position and just blasted those bushes until the ELC blew up. The jury finds not enough proof there was a cheater on his team as well as finding more convincing argument that it was just one of those things that happens to spotters holding valuable center map real estate. The Kajpz 105 simply wanted to position himself in that salad bowl to get better shots on the enemy team - the ELC was just coincidentally in the same spot that the Kajpz 1-5 wanted to reach. One last time - with the score being the Kajpz 105's team up by three, if he was cheating he would have been bushed and continued to blind shoot that cluster of bushes, not exposing himself to being shot. It makes more sense he just wanted to advance on the map and the ELC happened to be in the same bush.
This reminds me of a similar A hole who once pushed me off a cliff om El Haluf map. I happened to be playing in a platoon with my guys, who were all pissed at this A Hole. As luck would have it we were paired with this A hole a few games later. The whole platoon ganged up on the A Hole and put him in his place by destroying him totally! Justice can be done!
Its easy to determine light tank position by inching forward from behind the cower until you get spotted and the bush that just got vision of nose of your tank at the time of spotting have light sitting in it.
Did you move when he blind shooted you first time? You know that when you blind someone and you dont see splash its a hit? Next time dont listen insti nct but commons sence
The KPZ was most likely just moving up so he could be closer to the action and reach the 1 line with fire. Wanted that bush for himself and was surprised when there was an ELC in it.
Anything is possible.Also, the logic of someone like you pointing out.This is a particular favorite bush and someone may have put two and two together😮😢
I picked up on something pretty quick. I play lights so I can tell you that it was the Enemy ELC that "found" him. Assuming the Enemy ELC has an average set up he had CVS. He could spot even he ELC unless there were multiple bushes. The Kannon could also rule out bushes that did not have line of sight to him. By process of elimination of the spaces having no lines of sight and the angles that the Enemy ELC couldn't see through he had to be there. After that straight up YOLO play straight to where he must be hiding.
Mr_Risky from the IRNSD clan (shout out to you guys) is still the most high ranking a**Hole on the Asian server, would have held that position for 5 years
There is no reason to think that was a cheat. The game was over. People are rushing out from their positions to get some kills and points. And they just happened to run into the ELC.
The risk of scouting from the common scouting bushes is that everyone knows where they are. If a game is at a stalemate all it takes is one brave guy to sacrifice himself to flush out the scouts on the enemy team and secure the win for his own. Admittedly it is unusual to do it in a TD, but he knew a LT must be in that vicinity because he knew that he had been spotted, and had the speed and firepower to deal with it.
If you are gonna troll something, then the Lef is the one that deserves it as it's completely unbalanced - it's premium so didn't get the HE nerfs that other arty got, in addition it fires like a machine gun. It's a WG money maker and a troll tank.
@@NamesAreRandom Yeah I was gonna comment the same, WGs butchering of hi tier arty left the leafblower the ultimate camper derp tank and I just cant feel sorry for him at all. Odds are Bogdan recognised his name from several games where he was pinned down and killed by that Lef and was elated to find him on his team. Bogdan is still a douche, but a douche with an excuse.
1. Players on coms or in the same room hit play on 3 Or 2. After playing the same map 10k times with some changes after 2-3 years an expirienced player would rush on those 1 or 2 obvious bushes knowing there is 2 or 3 light tanks per team
Nothing out of ordinary, just a good play from the Kanonen. And by the way there's no way to have a mod that tells the position of ennemies as those informations are rendered server-side and only sent back to the client when the server decides that a tank is spotted.
in this game with all the current cheat mods available for a very small cost, It is 99% possible it was a cheater who knew exactly where you were hidden
if you are an experienced player you know from where you spotted at. at least for like 80% of the time in random games and this situation was obv. like played only 2 bushes left from where KP get spotted. the bush ELC were in or the big bush left in front close to him but in that case ELC get spotted when KP drive by. so it's only the bush left where he was in.
An experience player can estimate the spotting axis from where hes spotted and the obstacle that was hiding him. not an exact location but a good idea. so the td just went for the obvious location.
Since WOT announces detected players, you can assume the area where an elc 90 is hiding. From there, there are not so many bushes where ithis tank can be hidden. So many players complaines about the invisibilty of the elc 90, WOT decide to do something.
Yea i dont know about the second one. Everyone knows these maps, most scouts have tanks that arent lights and just because they arent playing one doesnt mean they dont know which bush to hide in. In alot of my games someone pings a bush and says scouts here or arty is here.
TD deduced it. I could have as well. Like another guy said people play this game for years. They know where a good ELC would be. He fired, got spotted, and looked around to which spots would be likely. Then enemy ELC was in that nearby bush. So he figured the ELC had to be there. He rushed in to take him out. ....Prob after pinging that bush numerous times and being ignored.
AH1) Maybe an artillery set up? Coms with other side for buddy arty to get more points on known cherry point. AH2) This could have been me (a newb) in making the same move. He was doing no good where he was, the speed advantage the hill provides is an advantage to be there, using the speed gained to speed to the next hiding spot, "bingo bonus prize", not so surprising, a stealth tank using the best cover. He looses speed off that hill if he turns. I use a King Dragon med tank with a fully stealth equipped commander (good silver maker tank) and shoot nothing but HE. It happens like this, I am looking for long shots, then places to hide, while the small stealth tanks have shorter distance shot motive due to low gun accuracy. If anything gets in the way of my get-away, "pin and pull the trigger". So, AH2 situation does happen to me often enough to know it will be a thing when using this tank again and again.
In the ELC game, there weren't many spots where the ELC could effectively spot, so it was parked in a very predictable location. In other words, it wasn't too difficult to guess. The KanJpz 105 could easily figure out where the ELC was. The ELC was surrounded, leaving only two bushes, one of which was very obvious. So, it didn’t really seem like cheating, but there’s a bit of paranoia involved 😄😄
Who are you and, what happened to Claus. The second game featured, this incident looked like happenstance in my opinion, I've had this happen to me in game. The first game, the offending player was most likely a mean and belligerent drunk taking out his frustrations in WOT. Thanks Claus, what a hoot.
In my experience, people blind-shoot spotting bushes all the time. This could just be someone charging a known spotting bush in the hopes of there being a light tank in it. It's one of the things I hate in the game is how people come to know the battlefields so well that they do those kind of things.
I think its was just coincidental... If the Kanonejag knew he was in the bush why did he not blind fire into said bush? it looked like he went to do cleanup and was checking each bush as he progressed... he moved out because the green team was spread out and was looking to get some damage before the rest of his team got it all.
I think it was not luck, but a man playing the hero. He knew he was spotted so there was nothing to lose and drove on to push someone out of the bush if there was anyone there.
2nd game, elc was in one of the most common LT bushes. Kanonen was testing if there was light tank in the bush by going back and forward as you see in replay. When he realised that hes getting spotted from that angle, he just pushed to get him killed (thats an idiot move, dont do that, kanonen was just lucky)
I play SPGs regularly, and it's not uncommon sight, frankly. Some people hate the very idea of SPG to that point that they will do that kind of trolling for entire game until they die, or if there is water available, they will sink their SPG so they can carry on and play the game
Is this common on eu/us servers now? Haven't seen if for years until last week some 277 decided to upset my 261 on Mannerheim. Perhaps he did not know that 261 with bounty everything hits the mark even when pushed by a heavy. Then he was so upset that he drowned himself in the arctic waters.
