Turning red was not released, went straight to streaming. It was released 1-2 years after release on limited screens worldwide for 1 weekend. Same happened to Luca and soul.
I don’t understand the logic of starting from the biggest losses and then working down for example 1-10 rather than working up to the biggest losses 10-1. Kinda spoils the tension of waiting to see who is the biggest loser 😂
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_I didn’t even know Steel with Shaq existed until you were talking about the biggest ROI losses!! Like you guys I agree Shaq is a great guy and a legend on the court, but acting and carrying a movie I don’t think is his forte, I would have fired those execs as well after that colossal loss!! 😂
I remember seeing the trailer for John Carter in the theatres in 2012 before a film (think it was Dark Shadows which wasn’t great) and we were like “What?” after seeing it. From what I remember (or possibly don’t remember since it wasn’t memorable at all) it didn’t really explain anything about John Carter or what it was about which definitely wouldn’t have encouraged people to come to the theatres to see it. Disney had a disappointing period for live action films in the early 2010s including some big bombs like that one, and it’s interesting you mentioned it’s probably why Warner Brothers didn’t go near Dune for a while afterwards.
These are super low. . . Marketing is 0.5x to 3x on many tent poles, especially Disney. Marketing estimates can be found with some digging. Then there are reshoots and overruns. - these are never included in the published production costs and can go so high is doubling published production costs. Current ERA Disney films almost all have overruns, we may be looking at a new record of 2x production with Snow White. By far though, the biggest losses incurred are by those films which debase IP value. Wow this is a different vein of the story you are telling today, we all know this to be the headline story of our times. Again Disney has led the way Andy valuing the premier IP's including Star Wars/Lucas, Marvel, & Pixar properties. By far, do by far that the losses incurred by it are greater than the losses of All of the films that you guys listed today, COMBINED, is The Last Jedi... I penciled out an estimated loss of $40 Billion incurred by TL J debacle. This at first seems astronomical and almost incomprehensible...until we look under the hood. First we have to understand Star Wars is an IP and what was understood as the intentional sabotaging of the flagship trilogy debased all SW projects (basically this Star Wars fandom realized Disney was producing despite them). The expenses a loan for Star Wars projects were astounding: IP purchase from George Lucas, multi-film and show production costs and production over run costs, monumental marketing costs, Star Wars hotel costs, Star Wars Park attraction costs, Disney retained Star Wars merchandise costs. These total closer to 20 billion than 10 billion. But this is not the worst part... Star Wars IP value wasn't predominantly based upon ticket, hotel, and park sales projections. It was based upon merchandise sales projections. As we all know it wasn't the box office but rather the toys that made Lucas a billionaire. Whatever the licensing deals were, Disney so undermined the brand value that this became the last straw that brought Toys r Us under, and has brought Hasbro to lose half of the speculative value gained when the Star Wars deals were put together. Reasonable projections would have had merchandise sales outstripping movie related revenue by 4:1 to 10:1 The simplest way to observe this is to look at the parallels and the stock value between Disney and Hasbro,, boys Toys r Us was already teetering and just holding on for the Star Wars rejuvenation that never came. Losses of reasonably expected merchandise sales in the tens of billions. But it doesn't stop there, Disney Plus used the pre TLJ projections Star Wars IP value and future roi to justify the billions put into the platform. We of course can also see the failures to meet this in the stock value.
i always appreciate y’all saying some insane out of pocket nonsense like the flash and ZS justice league being good movies to remind us that we’re all only human. if y’all only had good taste it would be boring and i’d have to UNSUBSCRIBE!!!
