Billy Gives Vogelbaum an Ultimatum | The Boys (Karl Urban, John Doman) 

There is a part of me that thinks butcher is thinking about his own father during that moment.

@@Minervastouchvery good point.

I do wonder if Butcher genuinely hated Homelander less after this meeting. I think the most telling part of the whole conversation is "He didn't even want it." The thing that defines EVERYTHING Homelander has done (except for trying to be in Ryan's life) has been because he is desperate for attention, to be seen as the most powerful being to ever exist. And he didn't even want it. He was told by an abusive father figure who literally tortured him, THAT is who is supposed to be. To quote a different movie, Homelander's just a mad dog. Sure, he needs to be put down, but Vogelbaum is the one who drove him mad and he's the one who let him off the leash. Plus going on a bit of a tangent, but there's no chance Vought just hands Soldier Boy, at the time their most prized asset, over to the Russian government. No. That was the cover. The fact that the Russians had enough Compound V to bother experimenting on a hamster with it shows they had enough to create supe soldiers, but there's been no sign of them. The facility SB was kept in may have been in Russia, but Vought owned it. And that means Vogelbaum, the entire time, knew a way to neutralise Homelander's powers through a mix of Compound V and radiation, given SB's new powers. He could have spared the world, instead he put SB on ice and never made another supe that could remove powers.

​@@wafflingmean4477 Well said.

@@dayjay_alldj7940welp said.

well, he was Judge Dredd... you need an uber chad level to lift that...

Remember how he was in Chronicles Of Riddick 😎

Doom guy too

​@@WeAllPlayBallthat was Vindy Sull.

@@ninjaguyYT Nah, Vin Diesel was Riddick, but in that same movie Karl Urban played Vaako.

He doesn’t drive tho

why would you say something so stupid@@Troyy22

@@jansebastianbach1004 from my point of view your the one who said something stupid

I didn't even notice that! That's hilarious. Very spot on for Butcher's character.

​@@Troyy22"THEN YOU ARE LOST!!!" -Obi-Wan Kenobi

I'm sure that knowledge instantly made him hate the doctor even more. Homelander is monstrous, but Vogelbaum is arguably worse.

it also reminded him of his childhood... Homelander and Billy really aren't so different, both had childhoods stolen from men more powerful than them

It's been a while since I watched - doesn't it turn out he was lying about that?

@@98loud sitting there, billy realized he was just like him

@@ninjaguyYT no what you’re thinking of is how he lied about Rebecca and Homelander’s baby dying during childbirth

I was really waiting for Billy to respond with: 'Cruel? I don't know, doc. Why don't you tell me? The blood on my hands is nothing but a bucket compared to the ocean you have on yours.'

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​@@dmac4278 Butcher not responding in that way and just going straight to threats is a more realistic reaction. This guy is like anti Oppenheimer, he didn't EVEN consider how many thousands Homelander was going on hurt. If Butcher went with that line, he knows it wouldn't get to doc at all.

its boring.

@@MrWhiskeycricket How on gods green earth could you call this show boring?!

@@jameslough6329 I was bored, that's why I said it was boring. the whole bad superhero thing has been in comics since the 80s, it was already done to death and better. the comic was lame, the show is lame.

@@MrWhiskeycricket I don’t know how you could have been bored! I personally know people who don’t like the Boys and even they would NEVER call it boring! There is always so much interesting shit going on each episode and the story moves at a breakneck pace. The show is also WAY better than the comic imo. They actually make you feel sympathy for the “bad” superheroes and ensure that you understand exactly how they turned out the way they are. Homelander and Butcher in particular are MUCH more interesting characters than their comic counterparts. They genuinely both feel like real people with nuanced three dimensional personalities. I don’t think there are many stories that have done the “bad superhero” concept better than The Boys TV show. The only two I can think of are the Invincible Comic and the Injustice DC storyline. But those are two of the most acclaimed superhero comics ever written.

@@jameslough6329 The actors are good, but the show is boring - it's basically just a standard soap opera but with ultra-violence. The best "bad" superhero stories are DUH, Alan Moore's 80's "Watchmen", Warren Ellis's "The Authority" from the early 2000s (soon to be a movie) And Grant Morrison's "Earth 2" in the early 90's (which injustice was inspired by). Injustice was awful, by the way. I can actually list a lot more because there are lots more that suck - because this is a trend. And the trend is wearing thin.

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Tbf his nonchalance put him in that chair.

I mean he had a job to do it’s not like he made the call and regardless, if it was him or not it would’ve been someone else creating something like homelander would’ve happened regardless

@@jonathanoloba7791 Excuses don't preclude repercussions, we're ultimately responsible for our actions, when our actions are forced by someone that someone should too be judged, but our actions are our own and the classic of "someone else would have done it" just has no value as an argument.

@@mattbas-vi7750 I mean someone would’ve done it look at home, landers, father, like they clearly have done it before him He was just the final product and the doctor was just contracted to do so it’s a job it’s a business, and like I said if it would’ve happened regardless of whom it was y blame the if the man like if a plane is going to explode, regardless of who is flying it Why blame the pilot for when it explodes it was inevitable

The entire UK has entered the Chat

GOD SAVE THE KING!

Yes. Acting.

​@@Mark-rt1jnacting has different layers. Facial transformation can be admired as a specific talent. Don't be a dickhead

Did Butcher follow through om his threat to Vogulbum's family??

No. But that threat is always in danger of acted upon

Vogelbaum was ready to die. He knew that after everything, someday, someone would come for his head. But he wanted his family to be safe.

He would, he don't care

Depends on how similar he is to his comic book counterpart. If he's anything like the Butcher from the comics than he is only slightly less evil than Homelander.

He's british this is exactly how you become the ultimate boss battle

I mean in the comics it isn't really homelander doing half the bad homelander shit. I think Butcher is worse.@@Laneous14

He would absolutely go through with it.

Both of them are the persona, the real Butcher is somewhere between, scared but angry

amazing what the sight of a nice cup of cha can do

Yeah, Vogelbaun was a real monster and deserved everything that came for him

I’ve never seen the word “tortured” butchered in that particular way.

​@@fissilewhistleeh but Billy would be say it that way and plus they probably Def used torch as "torchering" on little homelander

"These are for you, Butcher" **holds up two middle fingers**

He's a reasonable guy!

"... We both know this."

Butcher doesn't kill innocent people only bad guys in the show

They aren't following the comics and Butcher isn't a bad guy in the show (so far).

@@wisepalaz I'm trying to avoid comic spoilers by replying here, but idk, I think show Butcher seems pretty willing to do some of the things that comic Butcher did.

​@@PaddyRoon7he definitely does... like ffs... even it was deserved... he still brutally killed Mesmeriser or memoriser who wanted to see his kid and nothing more plus he was willing to kill Kimikos brother with 0 hesitation plus he killed Gunpowder who was physically abused and S3xually abused by Soldier Boy... Comic Butcher is definitely way worse but the funny thing is that he's much nicer to the ppl around him or at least Hughie and there's a reason for that and it's not just because Hughie reminds him of his little brother... the absolute hate that The Boys comic gets is just amazing because it's a full circle of how public opinion completely sways your way of thinking or perception to that specific thing... it happens everywhere and everyday and The Boys comic is one of those which gets unwarranted hate... and i know it's because of that disingenuous l0ser that completely shitted on The Boys comic aka PointlessHub and now everyone hates The Boys comic and constantly spew the same thing as to why they hate it even though they don't actually have a valid reason to hate it and even hate it in their own opinion.... but the hate isn't just on The Boys comic but also Garth Ennis which completely sucks because he's a very very genuine good writer... why else do you think that the show was created... was it because they wanted to improve the dogsh1t that was The Boys comic. No... it was never about that... the Director and Seth Rogan were just fans of the Comics and literally had them sitting next to Garth Ennis with Ennis being in the middle since he was the one that created it and its what the show is basing off on.

@@sarahbarnes9648Butcher would exterminate all supes if he could. Innocent or not.

Still Jules I think, but it's close.

Or Riddick drinking a cup of Tea?

​@@8RincewindJules can't hold a candle to Butcher

Butcher by a great margin. Jules was a calm and reasonable person, he was someone who you can talk to and he would genuinely listen to you even if he's pointing a gun at your head. Meanwhile Butcher is a psychopath, he won't even bother listening to what you're saying, he'll just pull tge trigger.

Colonel Hans Landa drinking a glass of milk in Inglourious Basterds.

Oh wow I had no idea he was Caesar that's awesome

It took some time getting used to him in this role because I was so used to his performance as Rawls in the Wire. He was phenomenal lol

chad

More like the punisher. Super smart but also completely ruthless and relentless in his pursuit of self defined evil…

hes more like V or rorschach pretty much the only thing that makes him a "good" person is that he happens to be fighting people worse than him

Why? Davey Crockett was a hero.

@@kylelapointe2289 he'll probably be like "Did ya wear the little Davey Crockett hat? When you begged daddy to love you?"

Karl Urbans fan base might not be the biggest but we are very loyal. I track his career for a long time now and he never disappoints in any of his roles

check out Dredd (2012)

Kinda felt bad for him when he broke down when Ryan went with Butcher. Totally deserved but still

In a sense, homelander is the greatest victim in the whole show​,with maybe billy being the close second@@Jaymark895

Because he already has Ryan in this episode.

That long ass stare tho too he be like "I'ma drink this tea as ur pissin' yer'pants from my threat" Bc he literally put The doctors family in jeopardy but hey, the doctor started it all- i kinda want to see Dr V's bloodline ending lol

it's easy to say that Butcher is a psychopath in the comic when Butcher hates himself for that reason... he didn't even set up to kill everyone out of random... he wanted Hughie to be stronger and be more ruthless in order to stop Butcher and his crusade and it's why he lets Hughie live but even when Hughie goes on to attack Butcher, Billy still tries to save him even though he failed and Hughie gets injured in the process but the thing that really set off Hughie was that he actually believed that Butcher really did kidnap his family and they were ready to die in which Hughie snapped and stabbed Butcher but Hughie regrets it and then calls his family if they're actually okay and they are and Butcher smiles because of what Hughie did... when Hughie asks of what happened between them and Butcher, they said that he was very nice to them... funnily enough, comic Butcher is actually nicer to the ppl around him and even Hughie elsewell... the show doesn't pull of the same thing but does a similar thing but in a different way and that's totally fine because the show are actually FANS of the original work... they don't hate it and actually tried to improve the dogsh1t that was The Boys comic since thr comic was never bad or anything like that as the public opinion claims to say... its funny how the Public Opinion once again completely sways ppls thinking or perception to that specific thing and just say that it's bad or just say the same thing that ppl heard from the person who made the house call aka PointlessHub... now everyone sh1ts on the comic and just say the same thing and no one has their own opinions on it... and when someone does, they still alter their way of thinking or. perception of thr comic because of how the public opinion responds to those who try to have their own opinion of the comic.

@@godzillazfriction wtf are you talking about brother, I was just comparing the comic with the show and how it mirrors it a little.

@@hot-_-fries1254 😐 nice to completely disregard my comment... fuck you... don't even reply to me... its not even worth it at this point

@@godzillazfriction Nah man, I read the comic and it is shit

@@godzillazfriction but I agree with Butcher being nicer to ppl around him in the comics, it is something I never saw anyone else bringing up before

Comics Butcher was way scarier.

If you can deal with politics in Baltimore this is child's play in comparison. Even Homelander hides when he hears Omar whistling in the streets.

You're right. I watched dredd on daytime TV years after it had come out and I expected it to be total garbage. I was shocked to find that it was much better than I'd expected and realized how tragic it is that it didn't become a series of films. A big part of it was Karl Urban's excellent performance but it's too late now. The window for a dredd series of films like that is gone and maybe it's for the best.

Killing a baby is not the as what homelander did.

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homelander is at worst a sociopath psychopaths are born from what Ive heard not made

true although it could have been a bluff

Hmm I know another person like that and he has blond hair and blue eyes to be clear though one of them is definitely worse