Another part of a video series from Wordonfire.org. Bishop Barron will be commenting on subjects from modern day culture. For more visit www.wordonfire.org/
Steven Strnad Excellent point, Steven. I marvel when I think about, read about, and from my own personal experience, about dogs. Here are creatures who are most content when they have food, a home, a bed, lots of companionship, and a few toys. This is all they need to be content, and to have joy. They really do become a part of the family, if trained well. They certainly would have no idea about money and prestige, and such things would not really interest them. When one gets home after work, the greeting is an expression of energetic joy. I had a dog who would run back and forth in excitement at my arrival at home. Many dogs have a much better sense of priorities than many human beings seem to lack. We could learn a lot from them about what REALLY is important. Unconditional love, for one thing.
I admit I used to watch Joel Osteen some years ago. It was a bad time in my life. We were going through challenges from my step-daughter being abused by her dad and step-mother and the child was removed from the home. Also both my parents passed away. Listening to Joel Osteen made me feel good. After several years, I noticed he doesn't preach the entire gospel. What about when you don't repent? What happens if you disobey God? Why don't you read more of the Bible? I put two plus two together and determined he was a false teacher, preaching a watered-down version. All this was when I was Protestant. I am so thankful to Jesus for showing me the truth in the Catholic Church. I really think He was showing me signs for years, but I was too blind to see them then. I think my chance meeting Mother Angelica was a sign but I missed it. I guess it's better late than never.
I stopped listening to Joel Osteen myself. The prosperity gospel is just wrong. Thank you for talking about this subject. You have to be careful with the word of God. You can hurt and mislead people if your not careful.🙏
I’m a catholic my whole life and I listened to Joel ostensibly too. Never planned to leave my catholic faith. But I was going through a tough time in my life. And I started reading and listening to him. I like how you question what he taught. I started questioning after a few years. Like why does he think prosperity is riches on earth? Why doesn’t he preach about poverty? Jesus lived a poverty life and de well. Why doesn’t he preach the effects of sins. I as well listen to Joyce Meyers. But she is different then Joel. She is more honest and she talks about how God has worked on her in her life. Her ministry is different. I pray for their conversion. Welcome to the catholic faith. Welcome home. God bless. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️❤️✝️
The Catholic Church has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ. It's a political organization of power and corruption. Did you guys sleep through all of your history classes? 666, the number of the beast, refers to the cap the pope wore. God bless you all.
What happens if you disobey God indeed. Christians believe if you disobey God, or fail to accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God and savior of humankind, that you will spend eternity (forever and ever) in excruciating, never ending agony. Please explain how a just and compassionate God would serve an INFINITE sentence upon a person for committing FINITE, LIMITED sin or wrongdoing? That isn't mercy - that's pure vindictive, spiteful, evil behavior, and yet somehow otherwise thoughtful and intelligent peoplem swallow this garbage belief hook, line, and sinker. God would NEVER punish his creations for making mistakes, even if they flat out denounced him. Are any of you parents? Would you really want your children to suffer forever and ever if they disowned and disavowed you and failed to obey your directives? How can you be more tolerant and forgiving than the perfect creator of all that is who has become all that is? Are you separate from God? If so, then your so-called "God" is a limited entity. Come on, can't you see you are projecting your human ideas about other humans onto God? Jesus Christ.
What exactly would treasure in Heaven look like or function like? Do we need possessions in Heaven? How do we keep things fresh and interesting for ever and ever in eternity? "Heaven. Heaven is a place. A place where nothing, nothing ever happens." (Lyrics from the Talking Heads' song "Heaven")
not that original :): 19Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.…Matthew 6:19,20
I am reminded of Matthew 19:21, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
You can hardly call your average televangelist "poor." Do real charity, if you want, donate to hospitals, poors' shelters, and so on - and donate only what is superfluouos to you, not what you need to go on with your daily life.
+ David Alexander --Jesus only said that to ONE young Ruler, not to anyone else.... Why does no one get the context of that when the story says that "Jesus said to the Rich Young Ruler"..................(paraphrased) Story is clear as glass, He said it to ONE person.. and for a reason. What was that reason?
@@TheMistysFavs he spoke directly to that one ruler but his lesson was for the many and his disciples. Jesus said he was the Christ, his disciples believed it, and this man claimed to see it in Jesus too. He asked what must he do to inherit eternal life and Jesus said do what the prophets have said, don't commit adultery, don't commit murder, and he said he hadn't done those things. He said the one thing you lack is to sell your possessions and follow him. The Rich man left BECAUSE he had great wealth. He left Jesus, the Son of God, for his money. Several people today leave God to pursue/keep money.
That quote is parallel to how he only said "follow me" to his disciples and they did leave everything behind without the need to be told. Do you believe he would be given such command if Jesus knew he'd do it? Just clarifying this verse. The true verses that spoke of the poor are very specific one was "least of his kin" which is/are Christian's first poor second then the other verse is "I (Jesus) won't be here for long but the poor will live with you forever" this one strikes me the most because not only does this imply poverty would never go away but reinforce what I knew in my heart; that even the most pious only has Jesus in his heart in a moment then the poor (himself) returns and take over.
Thank you for this talk! I happen to be Muslim, and I am always curious to see how other religions view things. I have always found it strange that protestants have this idea that worldly gain is a strong indicator of being in God's favor. Muslims have never really believed this due to this very religious story you mentioned (of Job). We believe that those who are blessed with worldly prosperity are also being tested on how they deal with this (whether they still remain close to God). I have always believed that having wealth is a great test from God because as humans, we tend become arrogant and think we are self sufficient. Wealth ties us to worldly life, and makes us forget about what is to come. I think that this protestant view of prosperity is really woven into American culture (basically that if you are underprivileged, you're not in God's favor).
That is an truly interesting concept - being blessed with worldly possessions is actually a test to see if one will remain faithful to God. Thank you for the thought - you gave me something to think about. Take care and God bless!
I'm not religious, but people who have never lived in America should not draw erroneous conclusions about its people. There is the biblical adage that blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Americans give more to charity than anyone in the world. That's why half the world is trying to go there, legally or otherwise. They do not believe that the poor are not in God's favor. There are just a bunch of Instagram people you guys see who aren't religious at all. They do not represent America.
protestants dont have this idea. You're getting this idea from joel osteen and other televangelists, who probably arent real christians. They're just selling a product.
Bishop Robert Barron is a bona fide Christian who teaches the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth using right and proper reasoning, unlike too very many so called Christian teachers and preachers these days! And even though I am not Catholic, I have a very high regard for the Catholic Church because of such as him! And the way I see it, the Catholic Church deserves every due credit, and should get every due credit!!
@@jestersage8700 Yes, but the Church still has the ETERNAL TRUTH OF JESUS CHRIST. Do not confuse eternal truth with corrupt individuals who will soon be dust in the wind, to quote a popular melancholy 70's song. The individuals come and go but the truth remains.
@@ArizonaWillful if Catholics actually got off there ass and challenged the corruption in the church then that confusion would not exist. People like those at church militant are the only ones who are actually doing something to challenge the bullshit going on like the pedophiles.
Roger, thank you for the response, although it was highly exaderated and unnecessary. I don't know what your current religious beliefs are, but as of right now I have absolutely no interest to continue in the Catholic faith, not because of your comment but because of several reasons, many of which you have stated. I am actually an agnostic-atheist as of right now, but I want you to know I agree 100 percent with what you say here.
Again, I have absolutely no idea what afilliation to faith or non faith you have, but I am not interested in an argument, especially on a subject I no longer care to commence into.
Manila Stud That’s not quite the whole truth. Unlike many of these televangelists, many Catholics built schools and hospitals, serving those in need of an education, and caring for the ill. More recently, the Church began opening homeless shelters, food pantries, prison ministries, and other institutions to assist those in need. Does the Vatican bank need reform? Absolutely! I am oversimplifying things, whole books have written about this in far greater detail. But Pope Francis doesn’t have his own airplane; when he travels, it’s with various airlines. He refused to live in the Papal Apartments, instead, he lives in a hotel room in the Vatican. He doesn’t have a gold ring, or pectoral cross. No fancy red shoes, just his simple black ones. This was nothing new. In Argentina, he did not reside in the mansion, but a simple apartment, and used public transportation to get to his office. Even his chosen name, Francis, is a symbolic hint invoking one of the great reformers of the Church, who embraced poverty. The current pope has done a great deal to strip away the symbols of Pope as monarch. This is something the last few popes have done. John Paul I was the first to reject the idea of a coronation, in favor of a simple installation. No pope since has worn that heavy triple crowned tiara. I have no idea if Francis has ever seen any television broadcast of the acolytes of the prosperity “gospel”, but I doubt he would agree with much of their teachings.
@@scott8713 Try looking up Father Ubald his own fellow seminary students tried to kill him. His entire family was killed but he forgives while everyone criticizes and focuses on the problems and what is wrong with the Catholic Church and those who do not correctly adhere to the Christian faith. Father Ubald instead of focusing on what happened tries to bridge a gap of peace and forgiveness.
+Tim Spangler Nope. Father is right: the prosperity (materialistic) gospel is an American (capitalist) corruption of the gospel. In fact Christianity itself is an answer to the question of why the good suffer, and our Lord and Savior is the exemplar of the good man who, far from prospering in this life, loses it all.
+Rockinghorse Winner It doesn't mean that having possessions is the goal, but many times possessions are put into the hands of God's people. It has been that way from the Prophets to the present time.
True, but those blessings are completely undeserved, and cannot be attributed to any action on the part of believers, but only to the mercy and love of God.
+cory littrell didnt you just heard what the Bishop was saying,..or are you being willfully ignorant?the prosperity IS a material one...no where in the bible does it speak of any other prosperity, this is often inferred by apologists
My parents believe this & I was born with challenges. They're rich but Jesus took me away to serve the poor. I'm now praying to become a Catholic person. I know it's not perfect but it is closer to how the Lord Jesus would want his religion in my view.
I used to enjoy listening to Joel Osteen and Joyce Myers (fun hearing them) but I could never, ever be away from the Sacraments nor the Most Holy Eucharist. I love our Lord and the Eucharst.. God bless you.
Great video! I agree with Aquinas, and the best example is most of Hollywood. Tons of money, yet angry, bitter, depressed people. Although I was raised a baptist, I have always been drawn to the great minds of the Catholic Church - Aquinas, Augustine, Chesterton, Pascal... Etc. thank you for another great video 🙏🏻
My friend at work hates the Catholic Church. The other day in front of 5-6 co workers he said he heard on the radio that the Catholic Church is the second biggest land owner in NYC. I said “Yes if u had the same business plan for 2000yrs, you’d be rich too.”
As someone from Houston I know about Joel Osteen. He stands out in my mind as the person that closed his church to displaced victims of Hurricane Katrina. He is not even an ordained minister. Prosperity does nothing compared to a kind heart and the willingness to help others. Maybe one day he will see that and I will be better at it as well. 🙏
@@ChangingTides777 sorry, I stand corrected, his father did ordain him. He left Oral Roberts University after only year, he has absolutely no formal theological education whatsoever. He is great at making money though and locking Houstonians out of shelter in their hour of need!
One of the greatest joys of being a child is to never have a cent to your name and still have joy, love & peace and provision from your parents. Perhaps that is why stress is so prominent in adult life because we cripple ourselves by placing our trust in money as opposed to placing our trust in our Heavenly Father like we once did as a child.
My pastor said last week that the prosperity Gospel takes the King of the universe and turn him into your personal assistant. How demeaning is that thought about God Almighty.
Doubtful; believe the Word of God instead of religious tradition: www.google.com/search?q=kcm+prosperity+scriptures&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS885&oq=k&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j69i57j69i59j69i60l4.4180j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Bit superstitious aren't you? Try reading your bible instead of relying on superstition: www.google.com/search?q=kcm+prosperity+scriptures&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS885&oq=k&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j69i57j69i59j69i60l4.4180j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
@holio Perhaps you should study the Bible more. Prosperity is taught from Genesis to Revelation. I hardly call that "misquoting." Learn your Bible and quit parroting the narrative. www.kcm.org/real-help/life-work/believe/60-scriptures-about-prosperity-and-success
@holio Can I have your pay check since you don't want to prosper. Joel Osteen is NOT a con man. He is a true preacher of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Continue to be poor and needy. You're only prospering Joel more and more when you bare a false witness regarding him. Here is Lakewood Church's statement of faith. Lakewood is Joel Osteen's church. www.lakewoodchurch.com/about
He might be an excellent thinker but he sure doesn't think in line with scripture much on prosperity. www.google.com/search?q=kcm+prosperity+scriptures&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS885&oq=k&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j69i57j69i59j69i60l4.4180j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
The motivational speeches masquerading as preaching does not convey the conviction that is supposed to be felt in the heart of a true Christian from sin.
There were 8 kids in my family growing up and Dad worked hard to make descent living for us. It cost a lot to raise 8 kids so ,we didn't have much , in the material manner of things and I struggled with this.It was some times embarrassing to wear hand me down clothes that didn't fit right and miss out on school trips and things because we could not afford them. My mother explained it to us like this ,we were lucky to be poor because we would be closer to God.We were close to God we went to mass every Sunday, CCD (religious Ed) ,I was a alter boy we were very active in the church. I am almost 60 now and I have always work hard and made a lot of money .I have also raised my kid's in the church.My kids have wanted for nothing. My faith has been up and down through the year's sometimes I have defiantly felt like Job(for almost a decade I felt like Job) my faith is strong now and I am blessed with the fullness of the Holy Spirit, however I must say blessed are they who are poor, in Spirit .
I grew up in a family with 8 kids also. 5 boys sleeping in one bed !!! It was a circus. I remember mom often early on Sunday saying get up and get dressed for mass or I will beat u. LoL.
What the teaching of poverty. No as witnessed in this video that's a Roman Catholic teaching...www.google.com/search?q=kcm+prosperity+scriptures&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS885&oq=k&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j69i57j69i59j69i60l4.4180j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Not only in the book of Job but so many Saints have lived according to God‘s love and loving God with all their heart and they have suffered terribly. I heard something yesterday but the more we suffer the more God wants us to be holy and that really struck a chord with me.
Money relieves me of a lot of problems but after awhile I still have an emptiness, an itch I can't reach. I tried drugs and alcohol but eventually that lead to me having nothing and a mess of anxiety and anger. I've recently started to pray again and read the Bible with the hope that I'll be able to have that itch reached.
I recently had an insight about prosperity. In the Old Testament, God lists the blessings of following Him. what it boils down to is providence and protection. God warns us that if we step outside His protection (via mortal sin) that we won't enjoy his protection. So many people don't get this and I didn't until last summer when a tragedy befell me and i saw clearly that it was the result of my wandering away. as to providence, it doesn't necessarily mean riches but YOU WILL HAVE WHAT YOU NEED WHEN YOU NEED IT. You'll have better resources that others don't. both of these were shown to me in my life this past year. Praise God!
Love how Bishop Barron explains this. I never thought of it this way. Powerful!! I always see people around me prosper but never me. Now I consider myself so fortunate because I now understand how much God loves me through my simpleness and lack of material prosperity.
Try thinking of it the bible way instead of the doctrine of a man that way you'll get the correct perspective on prosperity: www.google.com/search?q=kcm+prosperity+scriptures&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS885&oq=k&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j69i57j69i59j69i60l4.4180j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Fr. Robert Barron ROCKS. I love his delineation of the prosperity gospel that so many churches espouse so adamantly. His description provides an excellent way of understanding the biblical principles behind this now much maligned concept. I now see it as a truth that has come down to us through the word of God. Fr. Barron is an extraordinary man of faith and scholarship.
And earth too: www.google.com/search?q=kcm+prosperity+scriptures&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS885&oq=k&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j69i57j69i59j69i60l4.4180j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I feel it as being "protected" from wealth. Personally, I chose between wealth and spiritual happiness 18 years ago. And true happiness. As hard as it was to give up wealth, I feel doing so helped me spiritually. Especially since I've watched my family suffer for their prosperity. It's an empty suffering. Not like the spiritual suffering that isn't lonely, or abandoned by Jesus. That's the real difference. Jesus didn't promise to stop us from going through pain and suffering. But, He did promise to send us the Comforter. His Holy Spirit! Keep the faith my friends. And ask for His help. Amen
you people are a joke. Can you pay for the earth spinning in its orbit ? can you pay for the seas and circle of life can you pay for the sun and the moon.. YOu are children of the Most high . How much earthly wealth could you even accumlate that could firstly calculate the value of the things i mentioned before. and that is even equal to the kingdom of God. . Everytime Jesus Steps into the Scene of any place. Its pure Overflow and propserity and a returning f things into its orginal and whole and Glorified state. Wine runs over, fishes are in plenty , people walk on water ,limbs are regrown . and even when he dies he gets up and walks around. But you are worried about have some notes in the bank..As soon as the person believed He catches fishes and Says to the robber crucifed with him you are in paradise from this day forth. Believers will do everything But Believe
Yes....well said father Barron.... If we are not careful enough....materials things can keep us away from God’s plan in our lives! Seek the kingdom of God first!!!
I remember the first time I heard Joel Osteen on TV and I started weeping. I needed to hear how much God loved me and wanted me happy. At the time, I was at a Calvinist church. I think the prosperity gospel is a natural reaction to the emphasis that Calvinism places on us being "filthy rags". Now I am at Redeemer Presbyterian but lean towards catholic theology. The danger in any church is when there is more emphasis on one part of God's character over another. Many people I know who have left the Catholic Church talk about never hearing about God's grace growing up and many people I know who grew up in other Protestant denominations left because they didn't receive any catechism or "proof" for their faith or knew much about God in general. Thanks for the video :)
I'm ordained Pentecostal, a minister for 36 years now, and I have a holy cross on a mountain, the Saint Junipero Serra cross. I know the Bible inside & out and Joel Osteen last year blew me away with a sermon: David and Mephibosheth. 9 David asked, “Is there anyone still left of the house of Saul to whom I can show kindness for.." Joel had me in tears, poor crippled Mephibosheth, rightful heir to the throne (Jonathan's Son), and David brought him into the King's Palace and gave Mephibosheth his Divine Right. Tears I tell you, TEARS! Joel is great with the restoration, the rags to riches.
Very good points, imho. I am convinced that the clericalism in our RC church has led to an excessive throne-roon mentality, just as it led the Pharisees to make an over-riding fetish of the Sabbath. It saddens me, even after receiving the Sacred Host, to see people almost scared to smile at their fellow-communicants, in acknowledgement of their nature, and their own, too, as at least embryonic 'other Christs', (each one, in God's eyes, if only briefly, the sole centre and entirety of His own universe), in little gestures of courtesy, or acknowledgment of the same extraordinary miracle of blessing He applies to all of us. Also, at the preparatory sign of peace. It was painfulto see the deep hatred on the part of some of the old-timers, brought up under the Tridentine dispensation, at having their personal prayers interrupted - instead of seeing it as turning from Christ to Christ: from Christ by nature to a Christ by adoption. The rest of the Mass would be another matter. I believe we should be largely like soldiers on parade, very recollected and attentive.
I am Roman Catholic. But Joel Osteen has influenced my outlook on life. His positive words lifted me out of a slump after several devastating life altering events. I kept that positive outlook, while maintaining my Catholic beliefs. Suffering is inevitable on this earth. However, I just changed my overall view that I can still be positive while having faith in God's plan. I never once saw this positive preaching as a means of gaining financial prosperity. It is the positive view that God will take care of me no matter what happens. I strongly believe that God wants us to be positive because of what He has in store for us.
We need to pray for each other that we will be slow to judge, be fast to just love love love and be joyful in this life, in our physical life. Dear Holy Spirit be with each and everyone of us so we can be prayer warriors in this modern times of so much confusion and judgement...
yes he is good at speaking but regardless of how good the vernacular is he still believes what the roman catholic church teaches even if any part of it is wrong he still must believe and teach it. Good voice , good diction , but a bit lacking on truth according to scripture.
If the Catholic Church which is the only church with an apostolic succession back to the apostles is wrong then which of the 5,000 or so Protestant denominations is right?
@@psallen5099 The church is made up of believers in the Lord Jesus Christ Eph 2:19-22 with a foundation of prophets and apostles. If you think apostolic succession was from the time of Peter then you would have a bit of difficulty explaining how so many popes ,elected as apostles , could have so many problems in what they were teaching and doing. Giving magisterial authority to the death penalty, Pope Innocent III required disciples of Peter Waldo seeking reconciliation with the Church to accept the proposition: "The secular power can, without mortal sin, exercise judgment of blood, provided that it punishes with justice, not out of hatred, with prudence, not precipitation." In the high Middle Ages and early modern times the Holy See authorized the Inquisition to turn over heretics to the secular arm for execution. Where do you find an example in the new testament that any apostle handed over a heretic to be executed by the secular crowd? The crusades were not about bringing the gospel to the people in love as the gospel was intended to be. COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D. The Council of Toulouse, which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try heretics. Perhaps you can find some scriptural basis for getting rid of heretics in scripture as Paul deals with people coming into the church with false doctrine. “…stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work-which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but htey do not know what they are talking about our what they so confidently affirm.” (1 Tim. 1:3-7) “Some have rejected these [faith and good conscience] and so have shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymanaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme” (1 Tim. 1:19 ,20). “The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron” (1 Tim. 4:1-2). “If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain” (1 Tim. 6:3-5). “Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs” (1 Tim. 6:10). “What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus. Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you-guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us” (2 Tim. 1:13-14). Now did Paul hand over a couple people to Satan to be taught not to blasphemy? Yes he did , Did he also condemn them to being burnt at the stake or executed because they were heretics? No, he did not. Yet we have the pope of the roman catholic church doing just that . So Pope Innocent 111 makes a mess of what the gospel is supposed to be and anyone disagreeing with his actions is deemed a heretic. This happens a lot in the roman catholic church and you will find even in the catechism that if you do not believe what is written, you will be anathema / cursed. Now it would be totally unfair if we pick one pope and say that this guy represents the RCC forever. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part: Canon 1. We appoint, therefore, that the archbishops and bishops shall swear in one priest, and two or three laymen of good report, or more if they think fit, in every parish, both in and out of cities, who shall diligently, faithfully, and frequently seek out the heretics in those parishes, by searching all houses and subterranean chambers which lie under suspicion. And looking out for appendages or outbuildings, in the roofs themselves, or any other kind of hiding places, all which we direct to be destroyed. Canon 6. Directs that the house in which any heretic shall be found shall be destroyed. ??? Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books. Just how is it that the very church that calls itself the one true church would have a counsel decide that the books of the bible at that time were not for the people but just for a small group of priests? Now somewhere along the line of succession we find Pope Stephen VI (896-897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]:19 Pope John XII (955-964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife. Pope Benedict IX (1032-1044, 1045, 1047-1048), who "sold" the Papacy. Pope Boniface VIII (1294-1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy. Pope Urban VI (1378-1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured .[1]:153 Pope Alexander VI (1492-1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[1]:204 Pope Leo X (1513-1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony.[1]:218 Pope Clement VII (1523-1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked. So this should make you wonder how the apostolic succession actually works? Now there have been some truly wonderful Popes as well so we can not just throw them all out because you have some rotten apples in the crowd. You asked about the 5000 +, denominations as to which is the true church , well refer back to Eph 2:19-22 and you will find the true church is the born again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ indwelt by the Holy Spirit. You will find these believers in churches but you do not find them prancing about and saying their particular church is the only one true church. They will be the ones promoting the Gospel of the kingdom, not some organization or a particular denomination.
Study the writings of the early Christians - they are Catholic. Saint Irenaeus 150 AD offered three pillars of Christian orthodoxy: the scriptures, the tradition handed down from the apostles, and the teaching of the apostles' successors. Intrinsic to his writing is that the surest source of Christian guidance is the church of Rome, and he is the earliest surviving witness to recognise all four gospels as essential.
@@psallen5099 The church at Rome at that time of 150 AD was without doubt far better in scriptural content and conduct than later . To say that Saint Irenaeus of 150 AD advocates for today's roman catholic church is stretching the beliefs exponentially.
Bishop Barron are such a wise and intelligent man. You are such a great gift for God for us! I pray that God will give you good health so that you continue God's will to teach and spread God's kingdom.
I am Catholic and I listen to Joel Osteen. I appreciate that God is interested in my soul more than my material comforts, but Joel Osteen has some great teachings on topics such as keeping faith, and maintaining a positive attitude during periods of hardhip. His sermons have helped me during some difficult times.
In regard to a), I would say no. We are saved by, as Paul put it, a faith that expresses itself through love. Faith alone is not sufficient. In regard to b), I would say that followers of Christ are being renewed continually by the Holy Spirit, as long as they are open to the Spirit and cooperate with him. In regard to c), sure.
Bishop Barron. While I agree with most of what you said I am not seeing the obvious way that the Book of Job is a counterpoint. In fact, one could argue that since it happened only to one man then the point is not Jobs wealth but Jobs faith. I guess I just don’t understand.
Maybe I can help, the book of Job tells a story of a man who had alot of favor with God. He had everything, God said that to the devil before he asked God if he can test his faith, only with one condition, you cannot take his life. So the devil killed off his family took his property in a sense and had him laying in sores all over his body. Eventually after hearing it from his three friends saying what you probably would say that you did something wrong for God to put you in this position, God showed up, and reminded him of his faith to let him know that you will not understand everything I do to you. God gave him back everything that he lost and more in some cases. Moral of the story is, just because your going through rough times doesn't mean your doing something wrong in Gods eyes. The Apostles except for one died a horrible death for the faith and endured alot of punishment and persecution. I mean Paul had a thorn on his side that he prayed to get rid of and the answer was no, my grace is sufficient. Pride was the reason it wasn't granted, to keep him from being prideful. How many preachers do we have in the pulpit that exhibit pride, money, doesn't want to talk to his congregation after the service or speaking in tongues which could be the work of the devil without an interpreter. Or tithing which is in its self a scam to get into your wallet, maybe because they don't have enough faith that the Bill's will be paid or they really love money! Kenneth Copeland maybe, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, just something to think about.
Too bad for you; enjoy your poverty: www.google.com/search?q=kcm+prosperity+scriptures&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS885&oq=k&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j69i57j69i59j69i60l4.4180j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Wow!!! I often heard about this Prosperity Gospel from friends or from FB posts and it did not bother me for years until now. Out of curiosity, I happened to fall and stumble on Reza Aslan's comments on RU-vid which for me is irresponsible and in the first place I don't trust his words. Then I browse over some commentaries and BOOM! Father Barron nailed it!!!! Thank you Fr. Barron for your insighful and profound words. I honestly adore how you expalin things not only on this topic but all your insights and comments from variety of issues that is relevant today. Again, To GOD be the Glory!
When you have everything in this world you preach the message of blessing When you have nothing in this world you preach the message of salvation for eternal life through Jesus Christ . Nothing else matters
For what? spreading unbiblical doctrine; go to you bible: www.google.com/search?q=kcm+prosperity+scriptures&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS885&oq=k&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j69i57j69i59j69i60l4.4180j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Blessed by this message. Here in 2018 Holy Thursday. Looking forward to a wonderful time of adoration of the Blessed Sacrament and solidarity in the peaceful presence of Jesus. Indeed treasures in Heaven
Father Barron, I first just wanted to say thank you. I am not a Catholic (yet at least). I was raised Pentecostal Protestant and spent a good deal of my life searching for God and where I fit spiritually. Though I don't always agree with every single thing you say, through your videos I believe that I've found the spirituality that I'd always been searching for in Catholicism and an immeasurable peace of mind as a Christian. Knowing that the kind of beliefs that I have always personally felt were not just something I made up in my head is a comfort I can't describe. I feel that these videos have helped to reassure me of want I wanted spiritually as a small child and to set me back on the path that I had let the world convince me would be impossible for me growing up. That being said I wanted to ask if the misfortunes that some could be facing on Earth could be part of the purification/cleansing process that our souls have to go through before entering Heaven? I remember reading that we all have to go through this process after we die, but it seems that in the Catholic tradition Nuns, Priests, and Saints go through what most protestants would consider to be extremes to maintain a great level of holiness and spirituality that would be very difficult to achieve otherwise. Is this sort of dedication to God (the forsaking of a lot of the material world and distractions from God in order to achieve a deeper relationship with him) also part of a purification process that might begin here on Earth? I know that the sole purpose for becoming a nun, priest, or a saint isn't extra brownie points in Heaven, but for the ones that do walk closely with God and go through SO MUCH hardship, can that be part of the purification process for them?
Anarie Kennedy There is no "purification process" regarding salvation...but only regarding the maturity and effectiveness of our faith. Hebrews says he "Has made PERFECT FOREVER those who are being made holy" If you are a Christian, and not just religious, when God looks at you, he sees the righteousness of Christ (PERFECTION) and not our sinfullness. There simply is no other way. It says "Seek first the kingdom of God and HIS righteousness..." When you find HIS righteousness, you are perfect in God's eyes!
I hope by now you are already a Catholic :) being a nun or priest is a calling from God.. most are called to get married.. i think it's incomplete to look at religious people as a suffering vocation.. they experience a certain joy that married people don't experience and vice versa.. a vocation is something a person chooses on the basis that they believe that that vocation is where they can best love God.. About suffering here on earth.. i agree with you, i believe it's part of God's way to purify us.. married people or nuns or priest or people who just simply wants to follow God will experience suffering at their vocation... and like i said those suffering were allowed by God and it was allowed out of love.. God bless.
Anarie Kennedy The Lord command us to be Holy, it is an interesting question and post. I'll love to see Bishops Barrons opinion on it. Welcome home and God bless you.
You have provided the best take on prosperity preaching I have yet to hear. I enjoy the uplifting of some of this type preaching because I find it motivating. Yet at the core, I love God for who he is, for all the pain and suffering I’ve experience I’ve learned to seek the Kingdom, I’ve learned to trust and obey. Ive even learned that while I do not have much by way of materialism; indeed I am prosperous in that I have peace. God provides for my needs when often I have not seen it as possible, money means nothing with out God. Yet I’d be lying if I did not say I would not totally enjoy more of it. Still I’d rather have the love, happiness, peace and joy that comes from having God. Excellent explanation. As the prosperity gurus teach, I believe the Lord is going the bless me in that way. What remains to be determined is whether in this life or what’s to come. God’s will be done, I’ll wait patiently 😇
Thank you Bishop Barronfor giving such a wonderful speech at my daughter’s commencement at Thomas Aquinas College in May! You didn’t have to bring up the subject about the church’s failure/abuse by so many priests, but The fact that you did, and you admonished it, helps me to have faith and our Catholic faith again.
God wants to bless you to the point that others will tremble and glorify Him when they hear and see the kind of prosperity God has given you - Jeremiah 33:9. Jesus said in John 14:13 that When God blessed Solomon with wisdom He added riches to it. when God gives riches to some it is meant to glorify Him for His purpose. prosperity can be used to fund adoption agencies instead of only having abortion agencies, fund, feed & house the poor/needy, save the dolphins, whales, elephants, tigers, eagles, tortured animals like the brown bear used by the chinese for their urine, skinning animals alive for fur coats, closing zoos and sea world to return animals back into the wild and freedom from cages, close down circus' all around the world who abuse animals, hire more protection agencies to protect dogs/cats/animals from abusive families, set up safe houses for the abused women & children, buy more facilities for home key children who run the streets, homes for unwed mother's, biblical Christian counseling for engaged or married couples, facilities to biblically counsel children during their growning up yrs., counseling biblical teachings on how to find individual purpose to serve God in their lives, biblical day care centers for working parents, more counseling and classes for the handicapped/blind/deaf/ill, music rooms set up for children/seniors to learn instrument/song/dance/exercise, set up more walking parks, parks that provide community, organic farming for a township, funds to stop the raping of the amazon forrest, funds to stop the elite from buying up millions of acre's of gov't land for personal gain, funds to stop evil gov't officials, funds for the police/fire dept.. fimds tp change the prison system to one that promotes godly men and women able to work in society's growth, funds to hire men of intelligence and godliness in positions that r now run by ruthless thugs.....barron never told u that God rewarded Job with TWICE the wealth that Job had lost, nor does barron mention ALL the truth's about the financial wealth that God wishes for ALL his people. beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. stop being led astray by twisted words like slick satan always does.
Mersi Scumpul si iubitul meu Frate și prieteni, cu maxim respect vă urez ca Puterile Cerești a Lui Dumnezeu Isus Hristos să se coboare peste orice Sufletul și orice inimă Amin, iar Duhu de Viață al Dumneavoastra să fie împletit cu mii și mii de Binecuvîntari să aveți și cu Mîntuirea Sufletului al Dumneavoastra Amin Scumpul si iubitul meu Frate și prieteni Amin, o seară împodobită cu Neprihanirea Lui Isus Hristos să aveți Amin. 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I really love the perspective and balance that is presented here. I love Joel Osteen’s messages at the same time. In all his messages lies the one constant of the positive HOPEFUL attitude, and the all important gratitude as we wait with patience and acceptance!
He is not a vending machine but we are his children . He loves us and he wants to give us what we need. Same like how you want to give your children what they need.
Heckin memes, ... You say, we cannot turn God into a vending machine. Yet, God is the one who wants to bless us beyond our wildest dreams. God has unlimited power. The only limitations God has are the limitations we put on him. He fed the 5000 with only a few fish and a few loafs. He spoke and 10 lepers were cleansed. He walked on water, he healed the sick, he opened the eyes of the blind. He opened deaf ears. But most of all, he defeated death, hell and the grave. The grave couldn't hold him. Jesus said himself, I have come that you might have life and have it more abundantly. If you think that's talking about an abundant spiritual life, that's ok too, but you're limiting God with that. Remember this law: Your Faith will Never rise above the level of your confession. God will only bless you based on the words that come out of your mouth. The things God wants to do for us, but our theology gets in the way.
Nevertheless He is the source of all things. Everything that any of us has comes from His hand. The question is I guess whether we are grateful recipients or ungrateful takers. Whether we are learning to become creative givers in imitation of Him or whether we just use and destroy the good things that He has given us.
God´s will is always perfect. Sometimes is not easy to understand, but his plan of salvation for each one of us in a very intimate and personal way is flawless. So Jesus Christ's will, shall be done in my life and grant me a humble, meek and obedient heart like His, always surrendering to His unfathomable and always righteous wisdom and will, for the salvation of my body, mind, heart and soul. Amen.
Thank you Bishop Barron for clearly explaining the Truth of the prosperity gospel that has seemed to captivate do many Christians today. May God our Father continue to bless you in your ministry in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.🙏🏻
Thanks Padre - the ministry and vocation Christ has placed you in is helping many. TBTG "Unbelievers look for a sign." This is certainly true and a human condition and proclivity in all people. The sign to point to is the Cross not the bank account. When we die, we should have spent our last dime spreading the Gospel by caring for others, family and neighbors.
Bishop Barron, thanks for this commentary and wise response to the American prosperity gospel. The major difficulty is the growth of the prosperity movement in the global south. Joel Osteen and all the other prosperity teachers have been very successful in propagating this heresy outside of America. If American Christians caused the financial meltdown of 2009, we should all fear how the Brazilian, Argentinian, Nigerian, and Filipino prosperity followers will affect the global economy in the coming century
Thank you for this analysis. Very helpful I was trying to understand this prosperity gospel, as I had not heard it much in Quebec or France in the Catholic community.
So true! Help to those who are the most in need the poorest of the poor, be good, support financially for the up keep of the church, support the semanarians who wants to study for priesthood, then we have a treasures in heaven that no one can steal it.
His Excellency Bishop Barron is a breath of fresh air. He's very knowledgeable but personable - prefect for apologetics. Unfortunately, there's not too many Apologetic Catholics, having someone not only Catholic but of the Church is impactful. God bless.
By keeping God's commandments we prosper in that he will remember us and help us when we cry out to Him (the Psalms proclaim). Oh how he has done for me and It is real Treasure and Mystery. I do sin, of course, but keeping our eyes on our own weakness, mitigating it and pulling it in, so to speak, this is not lost on God. Never give up on God, he never gives up on you.
Great explanation, not to mention Jesus Himself, who has lived the most perfect and Holy life anyone could possibly live and despite this he also encountered suffering , specially during His extremely painful cruxifiction. All great saint that preceded us had to carry the Cross, because indeed it is the only way to Heaven, as Christ Himself taught us.
Great sermon, thanks so much. That's what I've been thinking my whole life. Not for my merit but for the Lord's who never lets me down and Thankfully has given me and my family everything we have truly needed so far.
This is a difficult message for today's people. Thank you for reminding me that personal wealth is a distraction from God's wishes for all of mankind to share eternal happiness with him in our next life!
So well put thank you. I live in a very prosperous city in Canada and your point on punishment is all around me. These people have everything in terms of materialism but, it has transform them in to Monsters. Sad but true
This is second vid I’ve watched of yours Fr. Thanks for sharing the blessing of your understanding. I found both to be fair minded, well articulated, and biblically sound.
