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Bitcoin Is More Than a Bubble And Here To Stay 

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Is Bitcoin here to stay, or is it a bubble waiting to pop? Less than a decade old, Bitcoin is worth billions. The cryptocurrency promises to revolutionize global finance by placing control of currency in the hands of users, not nations, and make financial exchanges more transparent, efficient, and democratic. And it seems to be taking hold: Earlier this year both the Cboe and CME debuted Bitcoin futures. But is Bitcoin really a safe bet? Proponents say the hype around the cryptocurrency is warranted, and previous critics - including executives at JPMorgan and Goldman Sachs - are increasingly jumping on the Bitcoin (block)train. On the other hand, skeptics suggest this highly volatile digital currency offers a platform for illicit activity, including money laundering and trafficking of humans and drugs, free from government oversight and regulation. And, they argue, Bitcoin has no intrinsic value - the price is based on market enthusiasm rather than actual utility. This debate is presented in partnership with the Adam Smith Society. The Adam Smith Society - a project of the Manhattan Institute - is an expansive, chapter-based network of MBA students, professionals, and business leaders who work to foster debate about the moral, social, and economic benefits of capitalism.
For the Motion:
Patrick Byrne, Founder, Overstock.com & CEO, tZero
Tim Draper, Venture Capitalist & Founder, Draper Associates & DFJ
Against the Motion:
Eric Posner, Law Professor, University of Chicago
Gillian Tett, U.S. Managing Editor, Financial Times
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@ricefred6039
@ricefred6039 3 года назад
Hello I'm new to bitcoin trade and i have been making few loses, but recently i see a lot of people earning from it , can someone please give me a new strategy or at least tell me what I'm doing wrong?
@katelynnjames8722
@katelynnjames8722 3 года назад
Most time having knowledge or insight about a particular activity can as well be a pleasing exercise. I can boldly say that forex and crypto trading is one of the profitable money exchange services that elevates investors and their financial status.
@alicepatterson5420
@alicepatterson5420 3 года назад
I've been making some few loses, can you please introduce me to your broker?
@gemmabell6404
@gemmabell6404 3 года назад
That's true most people today have been having a lot of failures in forex and crypto sector because of poor orientation and bad experts
@levilucas237
@levilucas237 3 года назад
I trade with expert Jessica Robert her strategies are out of this world.
@parkerwillson4643
@parkerwillson4643 3 года назад
You know about her? I did invest with her and I made huge profits
@Drvirhot
@Drvirhot 6 лет назад
Big mistake not bringing Andreas on here
@billybangbang9180
@billybangbang9180 6 лет назад
HEAR... HEAR... !!!
@shapeshiftingpanda
@shapeshiftingpanda 6 лет назад
Andreas is a lot more well-spoken on this subject than Draper
@Brugllione
@Brugllione 6 лет назад
This was really bad, they did not seem to have any actual knowledge at all...
@OjaysReel
@OjaysReel 6 лет назад
Seconded!
@blasteroid9143
@blasteroid9143 6 лет назад
wouldn't be fair for the naysayers.
@NotraNaum
@NotraNaum 6 лет назад
Worst debate ever. Neither side is educated enough to debate these topics.
@seaxneat9154
@seaxneat9154 5 лет назад
Totally agree Tim’s opening statement was fucking rediculous
@pitmanncb4368
@pitmanncb4368 5 лет назад
where do they find these people. probably stand out side Iceland with a net
@seanmacleod116
@seanmacleod116 5 лет назад
Notra Name' No shit 👍👍👍 I wanna see Richard Heart in this stage. All panties would drop.
@translatoractivist
@translatoractivist 5 лет назад
Hi ClaireP . Does the breakout hunter works or is it just another magic formula that makes only who sells it rich?
5 лет назад
TRUE!
@duketogo2616
@duketogo2616 6 лет назад
"Are you guy ready to trust in computers forever?" We're already doing it with the fiat and credit systems so that's not an argument. The main difference between the two is the governance structure and who gets to create and control the currency.
@billybangbang9180
@billybangbang9180 6 лет назад
YES... YES... THOUSAND YES !!!
@nolteman2365
@nolteman2365 6 лет назад
Just maintain the next Skynet away from the cryptocurrencies and all will be ok
@agaperion
@agaperion 6 лет назад
Who created Bitcoin?
@nolteman2365
@nolteman2365 6 лет назад
a man of the future who traveled back in time to save the world from self-destruction. (Satoshi N)
@gskowal
@gskowal 6 лет назад
Skynet
@JesseRitchey
@JesseRitchey 6 лет назад
Why do none of these “experts” seem to know more then the most superficial information about how bitcoin works?
@DormantIdeasNIQ
@DormantIdeasNIQ 4 года назад
PUBLIC money vs Ashkenazi JOO PRIVATE banks disguised as FEDERAL "CENTRAL" banks which supply usury money, IS the point of the debate ...not the bitcoin vs fiat money stOOpid food-fight you are sold to waste your brain on.
@Scorch428
@Scorch428 4 года назад
WHOS GONNA GIVE ME MY CHANGE WHEN I USE 1 BITCOIN TO BUY A CAN OF SODA. Lol, this is why you cant have a debate with ppl who dont understand percentages, decimals, and odds.
@BTCKYLE
@BTCKYLE 6 лет назад
That girl just spits out words without any backing. Its incredibly ignorant.
@HowardARoark
@HowardARoark 6 лет назад
She talks about Bitcoin like its a company, like Pets.com or myspace.com, when in actual fact its a technical protocol, and is now after several decades leading up to its inception very well established. Bitcoin ain't going nowhere lady, but methinks you'll be eating your words in a few years time!
@flexotecko
@flexotecko 6 лет назад
33:39 she says Gold is completely "portable", this cougar is really reaching.
@HowardARoark
@HowardARoark 6 лет назад
Until the metal detectors get it. Can you imagine passing through an airport with a hunk of gold on you? Good luck on that one!
@ITSMEEBOSSLADY
@ITSMEEBOSSLADY 6 лет назад
It was pretty hard to watch
@TalesFromTheBooth
@TalesFromTheBooth 6 лет назад
Geo Mark “you can put it in your teeth” ........but how do you get it out to pay for stuff?? 😆😂
@JESSEverything
@JESSEverything 6 лет назад
When people compare BTC to bubbles, the examples they use are not representations of genius, transformative technologies. The block chain is the greatest invention since the internet.
@brandonderrick006
@brandonderrick006 6 лет назад
This lady is so lost. How well does gold work in china when you want to leave? Duh
@agaperion
@agaperion 6 лет назад
I think the Chinese have pockets.
@Qweertyyuiiop
@Qweertyyuiiop 6 лет назад
Gold is heavy as fuck though
@agaperion
@agaperion 6 лет назад
No.
@cryptowars2165
@cryptowars2165 6 лет назад
shes fukin stupid... she wished she had bitcoin
@giftofnothing
@giftofnothing 6 лет назад
If there’s some sort of all hell broke lose situation... the only thing I’d value will be a gun because nothing is stopping most of these crazy people from running up into your pockets. Or socks or whatever fanny pack you think your shit is safe in...
@Zangorth
@Zangorth 6 лет назад
Honestly, one of the worst debates I've ever seen on this channel. Neither side really even addressed the topic of whether it was a bubble at all, and instead debated whether or not bitcoin was good. The for side relied primarily on anecdotes and hype which was not compelling in the slightest. The against side at least had quasi coherent arguments, but didn't really seem to understand technology. "Do you really want to trust a computer," well, yeah, actually, technology tends to be far less error prone that humans, so I would prefer trusting a computer, tbh.
@jwatson185
@jwatson185 6 лет назад
I agree. None of these people really understand crypto system, and what the attraction is.
@garytheyounger
@garytheyounger 6 лет назад
I hear ya, Samuel. Also, I'm pretty sure it takes a massive amount of resources to extract gold out of the earth and make it in a usable/pure form. Lets not talk about the ability to travel around with it or the lack there of. Unless I'm living in an alternate reality. I find myself questioning that often after the Financial Crisis. Guess who created that?!?! Gillian declared that the US Constitution was still honored right? With Health Insurance in the US they might as just threw it in a fire. Because It's just a piece of paper now.
@thrashertm
@thrashertm 6 лет назад
Exactly. I thought there would be a lot more emphasis on comparing bubbles of the past to Bitcoin.
@sahilingale3280
@sahilingale3280 Год назад
Can u suggest some good debates
@rosmer00
@rosmer00 6 лет назад
How could you not have Andreas on??? R u crazy?
@curtohhh
@curtohhh 6 лет назад
Neither side had any amazing arguments but this lady was by far the worst. She's so far off from understanding technology it's painful to hear someone try to debate on the topic let alone bitcoin. Outside of technology she seems to have a very skewed, narrow perception that fiat currency works "pretty" well. The average currency doesn't last more than 27 years and in a majority of countries that isn't the developed world, most people will accept USD than their own national currency. That part of the world is billions of people.... Also that argument about Ethereum was cringe-worthy. No one in the crypto/blockchain sphere considers ethereum's function equivalent to bitcoins... it's so far off from being a relevant argument. Ethereum is a better protocol for many many other functions but not bitcoin's functions
@vapidwords
@vapidwords 6 лет назад
Do you really think countries outside of the developed world will be rushing to adopt Bitcoin though? No, obviously their economies have "structural" issues and need to take out more loans first from the IMF and World Bank in order to import the technology that would enable the usage of cryptocurrencies in those places. Cryptocurrency folks are merely trying to hype up their own investment, day-trading for the lazy, and is just as much incorporated into the global USD system as those Banana Republics. Blindly putting your faith in 'muh technology' or 'muh mathematics' is immensely fucking stupid I can't even... this is why humanities and the classics need to be taught again. Enjoy your American-Israeli run technological dystopia.
@Tenebrousable
@Tenebrousable 4 года назад
@@vapidwords Only people without understanding have blind faith. Rush seems to be going right on pace to me. People don't give a shit about IMF loans nor do they have any consequence for them. That's American-Israeli-SA racket we must move away from. Cryptoes don't need much at all tech but a smartphone and cell tower. That's a piece of cake. Number of people with those things is skyrocketing just fine without some IMF counterproductive debt servitude. 1st we make savings, then we invest. Doing it another way around with other peoples money? Just makes you poorer, suffer inflation and debtors prison. Just the exact problem bitcoin solves.
@visheshbharara1458
@visheshbharara1458 6 лет назад
Tim Draper vision of future is 10 years ahead of all of us. Let's learn from him and be positive about the future.
@govindakeshavdas
@govindakeshavdas Год назад
it’s totally off . :(
@egoequus6263
@egoequus6263 6 лет назад
Byrne and Draper are not the best spokesmen for the motion. There are much better arguments out there,
@Qweertyyuiiop
@Qweertyyuiiop 6 лет назад
Byrne is fine but Draper sounds a little crazy
@brodysmith2948
@brodysmith2948 6 лет назад
Ego Equus Byrne is onw of the best ones around. These two nay Sayers had no chance.
@Rhythmvizion
@Rhythmvizion 6 лет назад
way more better !! this was a grade school debate
@daveb0t82
@daveb0t82 5 лет назад
My thoughts exactly.
@MatthewHaislip
@MatthewHaislip 6 лет назад
So, I’ll just keep my 0.01 bitcoin and see what happens. 😅
@thedillestpickle
@thedillestpickle 4 года назад
Pretty much. If it really takes off, all you will need is a small fraction to have a decent amount of wealth
@Scorch428
@Scorch428 4 года назад
That is the correct answer. Keep 0.1 to 0.01, or 1% to 10% of your wealth, somewhere in those ranges...because if youre right, you wont need that many bitcoin when it takes over and 1 btc is 10 mil. At least, thats where I see the endgame at. Your 0.01 will have gone from 100 bucks to 100k
@MatthewHaislip
@MatthewHaislip 4 года назад
@@Scorch428 Do you really think it could get there?
@Scorch428
@Scorch428 4 года назад
@@MatthewHaislip only if it replaces money, worldwide. 100 sats would be 1 dollar or something like that. I think even Hal had mentioned 1 btc being 10M someday, and that agrees with what I calculated, but Im sure theres people better at mathematics than me that could calculate the cap even closer.
@MatthewHaislip
@MatthewHaislip 4 года назад
Scorch428 Hmm Seems unlikely, though. Interesting.
@ruthhans958
@ruthhans958 3 года назад
Mrs Anna is legit and her method works like magic I keep on earning every single week with her new strategy
@officiallukebryanofficiall7241
@officiallukebryanofficiall7241 3 года назад
I think I'm blessed because if not I wouldn't have met someone who is as spectacular as expert Mrs Anna
@officiallukebryanofficiall7241
@officiallukebryanofficiall7241 3 года назад
I think she is the best broker I ever seen
@bradleycooper4205
@bradleycooper4205 3 года назад
My first investment with Mrs Anna gave me profit of over $24,000 us dollars and ever since then she has never failed to deliver and I can even say she's the most sincere broker I have known
@warriortrading9883
@warriortrading9883 3 года назад
Yes I' m also a living testimony of expert Mrs Anna
@warriortrading9883
@warriortrading9883 3 года назад
Mrs Anna is obviously the best, I invested $3,000 and she made profit of $28,000 for me just in 15 days
@tomdalton8224
@tomdalton8224 6 лет назад
I'm not techy in any way and know very little about cryptography but have realized by listening to this debate how important bitcoin will be, purely by listening to the archaic reasoning of the two debaters against bitcoin. I'm a CONVERT ;)
@tomdalton8224
@tomdalton8224 6 лет назад
Tanner Gray actually after listening to whole discussion I can't disagree with you Tanner :)
@theghadghad2520
@theghadghad2520 6 лет назад
IVE BEEN LISTEN FOR 5 YEARS AND INVEST BUT ITS ENORMOUS SPACE AND PEOPLE REALY NEED TO JUST STUDY AND THEY WILL BE AHEAD.
@brianbradford3483
@brianbradford3483 5 лет назад
Biggest point by the loudest mouth was that bitcoin was subject to viruses and computer problems which was only reiterating viruses. This system of trust is now PROVABLY on most cryptocurrencies WAY WAY WAY too difficult. The system is designed by most cryptos to be far more costly per hack than the one hack could ever possibly be worth. Wonder what i am talking about? Check out Andreas Antonopolous take on this subject it is phenomenally well versed for your eventual understanding. And good luck!
@JK-Visions
@JK-Visions 5 лет назад
@@tannergray1362 its a difficult subject. But please listen to Antanopolous on youtube. He is the best debator and teacher.
@Maffmatix
@Maffmatix 6 лет назад
All this proved to me was that there are more stupid people than smart people. And I knew that already.
@ShivaInu42
@ShivaInu42 5 лет назад
xD
@traderknightzbitcoinuniver8168
@traderknightzbitcoinuniver8168 4 года назад
Maffmatix lmfao same
@Scorch428
@Scorch428 4 года назад
The problem is both sides have much to gain and everything to lose from their position...so theyre gonna shill, both ways. You need a debate between someone who has nothing to gain/lose.
@theghadghad2520
@theghadghad2520 6 лет назад
PEOPLE THAT MAKE COMMENTS WHY WOULD THEY BRING ANDREAS HE KNOWS TO MUCH IT WON'T BE A DEBATE.
@sebastianroberts3495
@sebastianroberts3495 5 лет назад
Lol right????
@tonymolina3796
@tonymolina3796 6 лет назад
42:58 Satoshi Nakatoma.. right...
@giftofnothing
@giftofnothing 6 лет назад
Tony Molina that was the says it all moment of this weak ass debate...
@JK-Visions
@JK-Visions 5 лет назад
And such a person teaches....what a fake proffesion.
@cryptomaniac2
@cryptomaniac2 4 года назад
I would have said the fact you don't know the guys name makes any argument you give against bitcoin, invalid.
@TheyCallMeDan
@TheyCallMeDan 6 лет назад
Few things: Gold cost more than bitcoin to produce. First mover advantage is key for bitcoin because in crypto, network effect = security. Gold = Trust (who stores it? can't send cross borders easily) Fiat also turns to zero over time throughout history.
@GuerrillaFilms1
@GuerrillaFilms1 3 года назад
Out of the 20+ debates I've seen this channel they need to redo this one the most.
@markt6710
@markt6710 5 лет назад
The lady is irritating
@Scorch428
@Scorch428 4 года назад
"You should go buy gold because if something goes terribly wrong, you can always wear it, or put it in your teeth"? Wow, she completely undermined her entire argument with that last sentence....
@Scorch428
@Scorch428 4 года назад
She just admitted you cant do shit with gold and it has little intrinsic value...just like bitcoin. Money is a belief system. Thats all that matters. We are all voting right now with our wallets
@Scorch428
@Scorch428 4 года назад
"You should go buy gold because if something goes terribly wrong, you can always wear it, or put it in your teeth"? Wow, she completely undermined her entire argument with that last sentence....
@Givy55
@Givy55 6 лет назад
Andreas Antonopolis would have ripped them a new one and had the audience at 100% for Bitcoin! This debate means nothing and only shows that people don't research they listen to others who also don't do their research! LOL
@chris15325
@chris15325 6 лет назад
exactly what I was thinking
@randybrown8883
@randybrown8883 5 лет назад
feels like this was not a real debate, but an organised attack against crypto,
@thrashertm
@thrashertm 6 лет назад
Sadly this was one of the worst IQ2 debates I've seen. Both teams failed to thoroughly address the fundamental question of whether or not Bitcoin is a bubble. Where was the comparison of Bitcoin vs. bubbles of the past and the consequences for those involved? It was superficial at best. In addition, neither team made a compelling case for whether or not Bitcoin would stay, again failing to draw on historical examples of comparable fads/bubbles or sustainable new innovation. I went in undecided and I left undecided.
@mintoo2cool
@mintoo2cool 6 лет назад
infuriating to hear the lady. she is horrible with her points. she'd make a great politician because she slithers her way out.
@IIIIIIII
@IIIIIIII 6 лет назад
i'm a big fan of intelligence squared, but this debate, and the one before it regarding net neutrality, were difficult to watch. each speaker in each wasn't as intelligent on the subject as i thought they would be. or maybe they're just terrible at public speaking. not exactly sure.
@aaronainslie9324
@aaronainslie9324 6 лет назад
I wish politicians could be so respectful of each other and discuss policies.
@iggyy
@iggyy 6 лет назад
haha that hi5 attempt
@grandcelebration2233
@grandcelebration2233 4 года назад
50:15 it helps to point out where to watch in a 1hr 39 min video :)
@tomwiztom
@tomwiztom 6 лет назад
It's disturbing that the audience seem to like the scare mongering from the old paradigm panel who have no clue as to what they are talking about.... It's really disturbing,
@dupersuper1000
@dupersuper1000 2 года назад
This debate is almost bewildering to me today. Basically every objection to Bitcoin they raised has been refuted a million times over. It’s amazing how much disinformation has been floating around for so long.
@schlachtfilms7179
@schlachtfilms7179 5 лет назад
Trace Mayer can easily destroy these two clowns.
@ellistripp6380
@ellistripp6380 6 лет назад
A Reporter and a Professor arguing against Bitcoin. Of course. Academic Keynesians.
@XOPOIIIO
@XOPOIIIO 5 лет назад
There was no 23 million things in USSR, there were only basic things not more than couple hundred items, and everything else were in deficit.
@jaym9846
@jaym9846 6 лет назад
When you buy a bit coin, who do you send the money to? who holds the money?
@Candite231
@Candite231 6 лет назад
Andreas Antonopolos here - total victory!!! =)
@thanasispanification
@thanasispanification 3 года назад
These type of videos are interesting to watch every 2 years and reflect.
@matasuki
@matasuki 2 года назад
He's still spot on about that prediction. We're looking $100k BTC and $20 Cardano on the way. $USD is losing to "magic space money" indeed.
@encarsia9
@encarsia9 6 лет назад
I could have argued better on either side.. and i'm not that smart.
@tomsenn88
@tomsenn88 6 лет назад
Neither side seems like they really know the technicals of bitcoin. They should have had Andreas Antonopoulos or Tone Vays up there.
@cbldv1330
@cbldv1330 6 лет назад
Hahahahaha! Tone would have destroyed these clowns without even needing a partner. It’d be a bloody mess for sure.
@rramos7488
@rramos7488 6 лет назад
Nobody mentioned the Grayscale BTC fund on the stockmarket?
@ggrthemostgodless8713
@ggrthemostgodless8713 2 года назад
This hasn't aged well for the people against bitcoin. In 2021 this seems ignorant and stupid.
@hanspanzer
@hanspanzer 5 лет назад
This is really a great format.
@FredVesseur
@FredVesseur 5 лет назад
And now with large financial institutions moving into crypto it now looks like it's actually here to stay.
@tomr6955
@tomr6955 3 года назад
Name one?
@jimjones6329
@jimjones6329 5 лет назад
We went from cowboys on Silk Road to suits and ties that have no idea what crypto is really about
@joemalik575
@joemalik575 6 лет назад
What scifi movie did Byrne get that jacket from?
@seanattwood8370
@seanattwood8370 6 лет назад
Did Dr. Byrne get spooked by something at 17:52
@georgekubrick3134
@georgekubrick3134 5 лет назад
The confidence needed to debate publicly with a lisp is insane.
@oliverli9630
@oliverli9630 5 лет назад
wrong audience to host this debate for. should've done it in Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Argentina, and similar countries, the people of which can't buy gold and leave the country without risking the gold being confiscated and the domestic markets certainly don't work for them, as Andreas Antonopolous said, "Don't sell bitcoin to those who don't need it." LOL
@dannyduchamp
@dannyduchamp 5 лет назад
The problem with the bitcoin debate in general is that it requires knowledge of both economics and technology. This results in two large groups of people who each only understand one of the necessary topics. Both of these groups proceed to talk down to one another for not understanding the field that's *really* important to know for the debate (which conveniently, is always the field they know about, and not the field the other knows about). The problem with this intelligence squared debate in particular is none of the debaters seem to know much about *either* the economics *or* the technology involved.
@johnvmf83
@johnvmf83 5 лет назад
I have a phone like you and i dont use the phone only for phone calls, i use for sms, calls and many other apps usefull at some point that are secure and reach my objective, so why bitcoin cant be the main one tech, asset , storage of value, currency, (not bubble) and other blockchain tech be associated with Bitcoin.?
@obediencetoflow4653
@obediencetoflow4653 6 лет назад
As I type, Bitcoin is up 565% in one year, and 5% in one week, but down in the last day. Talk to me about bubble in 2020, or 2019, and explain the history of fiat currencies. Best to all, hold on.
@returnfreerisk7493
@returnfreerisk7493 6 лет назад
This debate missed the central arguement. The real debate is should we use debt based or prepaid currency.
@andrewviersen7418
@andrewviersen7418 2 года назад
What a classy debate 👏 Eric seriously earned his position as academic 👏
@19battlehill
@19battlehill 6 лет назад
Tim makes a great point --- 1 bitcoin is always one bitcoin, a US dollar is not always worth a dollar because central banks print more and more US dollars, you can not make any bitcoin. One bitcoin is one bitcoin, we have trillions and trillions of more dollars now than we had before the 2008 crisis -- the more dollars that are made the less each dollar is worth, think about that.
@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube
@ASkepticalHumanOnYouTube 6 лет назад
I think the biggest thing that will prevent bitcoin from being adopted widely is its volatility. Imagine the price of everyday items like groceries jumping around as much as bitcoin has in the past few months? It just sounds way too infeasible.
@MusethaMillionaire
@MusethaMillionaire 6 лет назад
They said a dollar is a dollar and will always equal a dollar. This is simply NOT TRUE. Don't believe me? Then please explain to me why my grandparents were able to go to the movies, get popcorn, and a drink all for 25 cents and now today you are lucky to go to the movies spending less than $20. A dollar DOES NOT equal a dollar and the value has decreased significantly over time and continues to decrease.
@DrRobertStadler
@DrRobertStadler 6 лет назад
This debate is horribly unsatisfying to watch. One side has polished speakers and the other side does not. The other side is not adequately presented.
@davidlovatt1968
@davidlovatt1968 5 лет назад
There's a half hour ad before this video!
@aklar_45
@aklar_45 5 лет назад
that bubble popped so hard I can still hear it
@CoalClear
@CoalClear 3 года назад
Satoshi Naki...toma.... Haha. Wow we're early.
@seaxneat9154
@seaxneat9154 5 лет назад
Love Tim’s enthusiasm and I agree but that opening statement was painful to hear.
@David-ts2hw
@David-ts2hw 6 лет назад
very hard to watch :(
@traderknightzbitcoinuniver8168
@traderknightzbitcoinuniver8168 4 года назад
David cringing right now
@MartialNico
@MartialNico 6 лет назад
The guys in favor of the motion sound more like salesmen rather than debatists.
@juliusilori
@juliusilori 6 лет назад
Painful to watch!!!..😩
@Scorch428
@Scorch428 4 года назад
This is prolly the worse debate ive seen...both ways...just shouting over each other. Do yourself a favor and watch a differnet one from better informed, less ignorant ppl, again, on both sides.
@cryptoglenn
@cryptoglenn 5 лет назад
She also says use gold, well gold is finite. Just like bitcoin you can travel better with bitcoin vs gold
@thousandaireradio3199
@thousandaireradio3199 5 лет назад
I like ETN (electroneum).
@johnbowen603
@johnbowen603 5 лет назад
we have a lot to learn
@twodubz2280
@twodubz2280 6 лет назад
It’s two ridiculously rich people versus two not ridiculously rich people. Who would you rather listen to about money? 🤔
@badubadu6586
@badubadu6586 6 лет назад
I believe the FOR side made some grave tactical mistakes in debating this. They completely ignored the first part of the resolution - whether Bitcoin is a bubble (or in the wording of the resolution "more than a bubble"). It would have been a lot more effective to get the AGAINST to spend a lot of time on this issue and how it is a bubble, just to wrap up in closing remarks that the resolution was so positively worded that they didn't need to disprove it being a bubble nor whether Bitcoin will come out as the pack leader of the blockchain cryptocurrencies, solely whether it'll survive (it's "here to stay"). That would have been a much better debating strategy, in my opinion.
@couga8888
@couga8888 5 лет назад
9:59 That was weird...
@RichardTasgal
@RichardTasgal 2 года назад
The subject of the debate seem to me to have been mis-stated. Even the Bitcoin-skeptic side did not deny that there were applications, which amounts to Bitcoin being more than a bubble, that is, it is currently a bubble and it is also a somewhat useful technology that can outlast a crash. What the two sides were actually debating was whether or not Bitcoin was so useful that it would displace the usual currencies.
@satoshinakamoto6626
@satoshinakamoto6626 5 лет назад
what is Bitcoin? never heard abut it...
@RichyMcFly
@RichyMcFly 6 лет назад
49:03 Patrick have you ever been in a war zone? too much a stressed situation to use a computer. Lady forgets that everybody wears one on them we call them Smartphones!
@cryptoglenn
@cryptoglenn 5 лет назад
Right but let me get my bag of gold man I sure hope this bag doesn't rip...
@thanasispanification
@thanasispanification 4 года назад
Hahahaha. So true!
@davidtumm
@davidtumm 6 лет назад
When Draper mentioned he had to deal with 15 people at the bank to sort out the problem, describing it as a hassle, he was actually making the case against bitcoin. When something goes wrong at the bank, there is someone you can blame and there are actually people on the other side who can rectify the situation, and if they chose not to, the bank is operating in a country and you can use that country's laws to sue. With bitcoin, all you can do is "blame the computers".
@sevendust28karlo
@sevendust28karlo 5 лет назад
Andreas should be the one debating on this....
@mezlolx
@mezlolx 5 лет назад
Whats backing it up is if an exchange gets hacked that means they most likely have insurance and will refund you.
@sebastianroberts3495
@sebastianroberts3495 5 лет назад
This debate drives me nuts, not just because her listhp but because these arguments are so out of touch.
@kevincass5410
@kevincass5410 6 лет назад
Seemed like an emotionally responsive "debate." Nothing of substance, all emotions.
@spacedoohicky
@spacedoohicky 6 лет назад
Personally I think the stabilization of crypto currency will come when mining it equals work of value. The amount of energy used is a huge drawback. Though in this particular debate the opposition proved they don't understand much of anything about technology.
@Ultra_James__T
@Ultra_James__T 3 года назад
“Satoshi Nakatoma” loool
@PoppyRaid
@PoppyRaid 6 лет назад
Yes gillian. 👏first digital gold store of wealth then who knows !?
@georgecrabtree2013
@georgecrabtree2013 5 лет назад
Just as there is room on the road for differently powered cars to coexist , Gas, Diesel or Electric, I think there is room for different types of currency in the market, Fiat, Credit Cards and Crypto.
@borg386
@borg386 5 лет назад
She said..a dollar is always worth a dollar. Seriously! The dollar is worth less every year, and a bitcoin is worth more every year.
@horacegoins8616
@horacegoins8616 5 лет назад
Yes she lied
@fooxfoox6092
@fooxfoox6092 5 лет назад
Fuck I hate to have to call a noob out for wrong speak - but at 44:28 - where posner guy says that bitcoin can be 51% attacked by a small group of people - this is actually both factually incorrect and also not a real threat to the system - specifically, 1. that "small group" has no real incentive to destroy what they hold so much of 2. any huge deviation from Satoshi's vision will result in a hard fork and back to business as usual. he is wrong in this point.
@MrItt125
@MrItt125 3 года назад
Is bitcoin Legal tender?
@cramsa
@cramsa 3 года назад
It’s recognized as money in Japan.
@TheOnceAndFutureDoug
@TheOnceAndFutureDoug 5 лет назад
As a programmer I understand open source... And while he's correct in theory it's not a guarantee of practice. Open source has all the problems of closed source software and a few of it's own on top. Just look at GIMP vs. Photoshop. The reverse of this is something like WordPress but WordPress has a managing company keeping an eye on it. TL:DR; It's not an honest argument to say that because something is open source that guarantees an open, transparent and functional code base.
@MasterArtMason
@MasterArtMason 4 года назад
When he talks about "criminals" he must be talking about the government because they do everything he talks about. And, it may be hard for him to understand, but for most people it is not a big deal. Mr Posner should not be in this debate. He is clueless, but like people in his position he must express his view.
@juljk8397
@juljk8397 6 лет назад
This is what I would say to that guys arguments on bitcoin. I could literally do this to every single point they make, but it's an hour long video: 18:28-19:36 No, there is NOT a great deal of criminals using bitcoin today. Perhaps earlier on but most people use it for international remittances (because bitcoin is the most feasible way in the world to send remittances at the moment). Also bitcoin transactions are not anonymous, it's actually more traceable then our current fiat system today. 19:40-20:22 Explain why gold and silver worked for thousands for years then? Why were we on the gold standard for hundreds of years if "fixed money supply doesn't work"? The only reason why inflation could be good is because of expanding economies, bitcoin/cryptos don't need this because it's divisible by 100 million. Therefore money appreciates rather than depreciates. This is something precious metals cannot accomplish. 20:23-20:55 Booms and busts & Business Cycles happen BECAUSE of the control of the money supply. With blockchain you have MORE control than the fiat system because it's predictable. You cannot predict what the interest rate is going to be next month but with crypto you can have the EXACT interest rate 10 eyars down the line & measure volatility and inflation IN REAL TIME. 21:03-21:18 This is a LIE. Do not believe him, I don't know why no one addressed him on this. No one in the bitcoin network has 51% of mining power. When I heard this it made me very upset, you can take your time to see that no one has full control of this network.
@aleksandrgoldberg8034
@aleksandrgoldberg8034 6 лет назад
Tokengo project is more robust than other similar "ICO helpers projects" the idea is much more complete, you can purchase of products or services, bounty campaigns, emit own tokens or coins, construct smar contracts, cryptocurrency exchange, etc, the possibilities are many... this project will make the difference on Blockchain.
@WayneJohnsonZastil
@WayneJohnsonZastil 6 лет назад
Did he just say cashiers cheque lol
@misterETIO
@misterETIO 5 лет назад
INteresting and valuable to listen to them as it reflects the OPINION on BTC of the top 10%. However, it is clear that none of the participants had in-depth knowledge about the topic.
@grandcelebration2233
@grandcelebration2233 4 года назад
Has she never heard the idiom "empty vessels make the most noise"?
@pokare
@pokare 6 лет назад
So who is the master debater?
@JuanRodriguez-uy8ti
@JuanRodriguez-uy8ti 6 лет назад
They are going to end up making their own cryptocurrency and will try to make it bigger than Bitcoin, but is not going to be possible.... why do you think they are so negative about bitcoin? because is huge and it represents the end to their monopoly, they are scared and don't want to lose control.
@CyclersLuxuryApartments
@CyclersLuxuryApartments 5 лет назад
that there exists any blockchain protocol, is because of its ability to offer its maintainers rewards for maintaining it.
@namsardar
@namsardar 4 года назад
The two "against" people are ridiculous, especially that shrill clueless woman.
@optician53
@optician53 6 лет назад
Digibyte ... far and away the best UTXO coin in existence.
@vmcla
@vmcla 2 года назад
Nine minutes in and not a word of debate so far, just flowering introductions.
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