@@Anareoh It was definitely Black Frieza that killed Gas, Black Frieza has pronounced eye ridges, Final form Frieza does not, his body was also shaded and hard to make out because they didn't want to reveal Black Frieza until he transformed against Goku and Vegeta, there would be no reason to shade him otherwise.
I dont think Frieza wants to kill Goku and Vegeta anymore. He's learned the same thing that turned Vegeta good - their rivalry pushes him to continue training and improving. They're a constant reminder to prevent him becoming complacent.
The answer to defeating black Frieza could be in majin buu and uub. Together they represent the Buddha, which means enlightened one, the opposite of Frieza. Also, his father warns him of TWO beings in the universe to fear, that was beerus, and majin buu, implying he is at least as dangerous as beerus.
Toriyama has already given the answer for killing him. Beast Gohan is Canon and is confirmed by toriyama to be the strongest fighter in the history of the series. Plus from the tournament of power arc Gohan threatens that he doesn't, trust or like frieza and will kill him if he has to. So he has the intent to kill him and the power all he has to do is present a real danger to Gohan and he will body him. Gohan easily surpassed friezas intense 10 year training with half assed training over like 3 years.
I want an animated Moro and Granola arc as much as everyone else but I’ve come to stop expecting it realistically so what I’ve come to really hope for is just a straight up black frieza arc in the manga so we can really see where this goes
@@getcrunk117considering freiza is the villain that basically started the whole super saiyan trilogy? No not at all. Im ready for platnium freiza in the future ngl😂🤷🏾♂️
14:50 Tbh, it's very likely that the prophecy of the Super Saiyan going up against Frieza hasn't been fulfilled yet, and I think Beoly will be the one who puts a permanent end to Frieza.
My theory is that he was blown away by the "Gogeta" fusion, so he's looking for a warrior he can join forces with. Saga Moro already introduced him... Android OG-73, copying an angel and mastering the skills would be amazing, I think the Hetters brothers will give his location to Frieza. In addition, Zuno will enter the Game, as from there he will be able to arrive at various answers about the weaknesses of the gods or the location of the Super Dragon Balls. Some things that can happen in this next arc: -Freeza Black vs Bills (high posibility) -Freeza can have Android OG-73 as an ally and fusion with an unknown method, or use ZUNO to learn the dance... -Army Frieza doing a Tour between U6-U7 looking for the Super Dragon Balls, Frieza Black x Champa would be very cool. - Frieza manages to collect the Super Dragon Balls and makes a request that makes him more dangerous than ZENO.
Personality I see Freeza like the Icarus of DragonBall, he has a habit of aiming too high, only to fall short when he reaches it. Plus there are the other universeS that didn't enter the TOP. We're not sure how powerful they are, which makes them an unknown factor for Freeza's plans
@@gokublack18371 counterpoint: through a wish, Gas became the strongest in Universe 7 which would probably imply he's stronger than Beerus and Frieza killed him in a single hit.
@@gokublack18371 Why do people say statements based of headcanon like it's a fact and obvious... so stupid. Frieza has barely any feats, the only one being one-shotting TUI Goku & UE Vegeta at the same time which is crazy. I think manga Beerus could probably do the same thing, but still we can't have any certainty how black frieza scales to Beerus. Now of course we know that Gohan Beast blanco is the strongest mortal and one taps black Frieza.
There is no logic in the powerlevels. Piccolo who probably coudn't defeat goku base level in dragon ball super is suddenly stronger then Broly. Then they bring old enemies back like Freeza and Cell, same thing all over agian. I would prefer that they would have left them in the dust and bring some logic in powerlevels. The sudden increase of powerlevels without dedication for some of the characters is a bit weird.
@@aaronrodgers9202 it would be the logical next step though ngl unless we just get another hair color which I will honestly quit super if that ends up being the case
@@kyosage109 I think it may end up being something very similar considering the dbgt creator is now the one running super.. But what I've noticed so far is he seems to be trying to blend his ideas with akiras ideas sort of blending the two different anime.. Like noticing how pilaf and Co got turned into children instead of goku and lots of other examples.. It seems like they already have a take on the saiyan heritage type transformation with broly and kefla and now goku with his saiyan ultra instinct so idk we will see.. I don't think there will be new hair colors just more blending forms that already exist
@@aaronrodgers9202 that makes alot of sense I at the very least want to see super saiyan 4. I know its split in the community pertaining that form but I personally love it.
I actually do hope Black Frieza ends up becoming a multiversal threat, but sadly I doubt the squabble will extend beyond U7 and just play out like any other standard confrontation. A large scale scheme on Frieza's part that extends beyond petty vengeance and huper-fixation on the saiyans would be a much welcome change of pace, plus it'd give him great development as a villain, that way when he finally goes down (And hopefully never comes back) He'll go out with a bang and have his lasting legacy as a villain restored after he was turned into a joke by Trunks way back when.
This is a great way to give frieza some more major villain story development maybe even expand on his race a little more and why he has so much potential while at the same time closing out his story like you said with a bang and giving him his flowers for being the OG dragonball Z villain as it should be. Great potential take on what could happen with Frieza!!
That would speed the end so fast they need more content before they get to zeno level so i dont think he’ll be zeno lvl maybe whis or high level angel level
@@Dark_Jarl zeno was and is a terrible character. Never should have been conceived in my opinion. Its one of the worst aspects of anime and manga, making weasels super powerful or the smallest guy or some female just kinda of ruins the story.
Trunks destroying Frieza was a great bit of irony. The one person who was considered too weak to stand alongside Gohan in the future was able to freaking one-shot Frieza's father.
Damn. I think I might be broken towards DBZ now. I listened to him say, "Imagine the level of strength he achieved with ten years of training." and my mind went, "Why? Someone is just going to get stronger than him in a few issues/episodes." Just literally getting my mental hype blocked by the never ending, cascading power levels between characters. Frieza is this strong! But then Goku is THIS strong! But then Vegeta is THIS strong! But then Beerus is THIS strong! But then....!!! ...is this excitement? ...No. No I don't think it is anymore. And now they're all rising up to the same level as Zen-oh. They're GONNA reach it. Not just Frieza, but every single one of them. And when they do... is it the end of the series? Is there some power level beyond Zen-oh? He does appear as a child; is his father or mother going to come out of some alternate reality to show all of existence is just a toy for their child to play with in order to learn how to really use his *true* power? He describes other fighters compared to Frieza as ants. Now imagine that every Z fighter at the pinnacle of their existence and power not only find out their ants, but ants crawling on some child's toy out in a garden connected to a world too immense, too powerful and too unimaginable to even be conceived of before reaching that point, and even then they can barely see it. Sounds kinda awesome, right? The problem for me is by the time DBZ reaches this level, I will have died, along with all the current fans, the creator of the series and anyone else who cares, aka 'It never will'. I've been watching this since I was a kid, and I think I've just honestly reached the end of my endurance. I've been watching this since before I was in high school, and it's still doing the Energizer Bunny thing of keeping going and going and going and...
It's like pokemon, everyone knows it, but why an adult watch it? Haven't they ran out of colors for sayan transformation. Whole thing is set up lazily.
I think toriyama got frieza's black form from the Amex Black Card, if ever he'll get another power boost I think it would take insperation from JP morgan reserve ( Palladium Card ). That would transform him to his original form same process with goku when he got the ultra instinct mode. Great content, new sub here.
Frieza, Broly, Gohan, Cell, and Buu have the highest potential/growth rate in this series. I honestly think that if they resurrected Cell and let him train, he'd be broken. He has the DNA of Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, King Cold, and Piccolo. And we've already seen how fast Majin Buu catches up once he's serious
Uub is the strongest of them he has raw god power to defeat Moro, wich Ultra instinct Goku coudn't defeat. And Uub did hit just with his energy without even training so I don't think its even fair to compare Uub with the rest of them.
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And then gets bodied by gohan after training for a year. The guy makes frieza look untalented, frieza goes for a ten year hard training session and Gohan blows past it with half assed training in less than half the time.
Instead of Destruction Vegeta learns Creation. This also makes sense because, before creation comes destruction, Vegeta has learned destruction energy already but the way he is doesn't align with that, hes much more inclined to creation, as hes gone from destroying families and planets, to creating a family and saving planets, even learning the spiritual and mental importance of mastering oneself to become stronger
@@antgarza4031 Only problem I can see with that being that Broly tends to go berserk when powering up so he may actually try to kill Gohan during their training.
@@eddyh5 Yeah but there's also the fact that Vegeta by himself is capable of breaking the Time Chamber so I think a berserk Broly could easily break it.
In my head, I thought the reason he didn't kill them was because he wants them to suffer as much as possible and knows they will train to try get stronger than him so he will wait till enough time goes by for them to get stronger only to show back up and defeat them again and as they lay defeated and hopeless then he will kill them making them feel same way he did on namek , earth , and t.o.p. 😅
This theory actually fits frieza. He got humiliated bad and his ego is a main part of his character development so it makes sense that he will drag out their defeat first just to establish dominance. It might go this way with goku and vegeta getting their tails back or gohan just killing him like he did cell🤷🏾♂️
Frieza is kind of a mixed breed between saiyans and their race that's why he has forms and his power increases exponentially with every form like saiyan to super Saiyan.
Actually No, He's a tyrant, not mindless. If he destroys everything he would have nothing to rule over. He's a Tactician, and a good one at that. for him it's better for people to fear him so no one challenges him. however to cause that fear he rids places that could cause problems for him later. If anything there would be less rebellions , and probably not much would actually change unless he got unhinged.
At this point I think Gogeta, Vegito, broly or gohan might be able to stop freeza in a fight. But Broly and gohan must unlock their potential to do so.
Definitely not gohan. He hasn’t trained enough. Black Frieza trained for a decade after witnessing the power of Gogeta so I don’t even think he’s concerned with him either.
Frieza's 10 year training is still pointless compared to Beerus's millions of years of training. Frieza would never come close to his dream since it would go against the writer's own words that the angles, gods and Omni king is the power Cap that any character can not go past.
Als the frieza not killing them is frieza being cocky. Its basically saying im so strong i can kill you at anytime. To show that he is confident that no matter if they fuze he can defeat them. Also he wants to test his hard work. Basically enjoy the fruit of his labor
Does anyone else agree that the story for Super isn't really that good. Like, I'm really not enjoying the narrative twist for super and the narrative suicide of goku's character.
@orrorsaness5942 I would agree with you more if the power scaling wasn't so out of control. There's just so many forms that mean absolutely nothing at this point, and I didn't really like Frieza coming out of nowhere and one shooting vegeta and goku with their new forms. Like literally, that whole arc was them competing with one another on who was the strongest in the universe and frieza just one shooting them felt disappointing and undeserved imo.
Dbs 101 confirms that frieza is getting close to G.O.D levels with this form. Imagine how strong he will get with even more training. We have a threat to all 12 universes on our hands.
The way I see this going is that Goku and Vegeta will master their TUI and UE forms respectively and that still won't be enough to beat Frieza and so, as a last resort, they fuse into either Vegito or Gogeta and somehow manage to simultaneously use TUI and UE which is only barely enough to beat Black Frieza... also, I bet the other Z Fighters will show up like Piccolo, Goten and Trunks (in the form of Gotenks obviously) and Gohan will probably show up and be the final person who buys time for Vegeta and Goku to fuse since he could probably hold his ground against Frieza.
Honestly I would love if the arc opened up with an epic battle between Gogeta and black Frieza to show that Frieza is still more powerful. Gogeta has never lost and it would be cool to see.
Eventually we all want to see beerus and zen oh fight and showcase their true power maybe against each other but someone will have to be their opponent and if its frieza then im fine with that🤷🏾♂️ at least against beerus because goku tried and failed so it would be a one up im a way for freiza if that makes since
I say King of S "Sacrifice" is something Vegeta is about, though Goku and Vegeta were running on fumes or something lower at that time, so I don't find it as shocking he beat them in 1 punch a full power strong guy came in and knocked out 2 guys with 1 HP
Frieza was always a master chess player. That's why he went after Planet Vegeta in the first place. He knew he could use them to put in work "for" him. It was also his undoing because even he admitted he had gotten soft when he first fought Goku in Z because he hadnt actually had to throw hands in many years.
Question: What do you mean by him going after Planet Vegeta in the first place? You mean when he destroyed it or when he enslaved them. Because King Cold gave Frieza the saiyans.
@@titanx4517Subjugating the planet, definitelty not the destroying it part. You're gonna have to tell me that King Cold part. But far as I remember Frieza and Cooler were the ones putting in the work snatching up planets and quadrants for themselves and King Cold was just giving them the green light. Admittedly my memory is foggy but I for sure recall specifically that it was Frieza himself that permanently "evicted" King Vegeta! lol
@hugejackedman3447 Thanks for answering. In DBS: Broly King Cold was the one who handed the saiyans over; switching from the Cold force to the Frieza force. The Frieza force (including the saiyans) were the ones snatching and pirating planets for Frieza.
I'd like to imagine a scenario where they're so desperate, they ask Buu to *absorb* Gogeta/Vegito at full power, Gohan at Beast Mode, Piccolo at Orange Man Transformation, Android 17 and 18, all the z fighter humans, and hell, even the Gamma's and Gotenks, just to fight off a full powered Frieza black and create a "special warrior" with the power that makes Cell Max look like an ant
@@kyosage109 who knows, Whis could act as a helping hand in this one who could throw them near Frieza for this... and preparation, Frieza literally *left them alive* so ofc they're gonna plan
Probably both or at the very least we will see a new ginyu force or the return of the old one to keep the “weaker” z fighters busy. When the real fights begin.
I wonder if the universe Frieza went off to train in was Universe 9. He mentioned training in another universe’s time chamber, and I recall him once trying to make a deal with Sidra and Roh.
