I've been thinking about SSJ4 and Wrathful Super Saiyan (or Super Saiyan Ikari). Wouldn't the latter just basically be golden great ape considering wrathful (or Ikari) is the power of the great ape (or oozaru) without the transformation. If that's the case, would you just need to be calm while in Wrathful SSJ\SSJ Ikari like with GGA to transition from those forms into SSJ4?
@@GBENT3 vegeta was confirmed to be slighty stronger and in dbs super hero vegeta even beats goku and dbs super hero takes place after the gronolah arc because they even got broly trainjng with them to defeat fireza
the last 2 remaining fighters could be Trunks and Goten. they get like no screen time and a training arc for them would be crazy, especially if they could use Gotenks during the Tournament.
Heck no. They just got their own arc in the manga and role in the DBS Superhero movie. Save the final 2 spots for either newer characters such as Gamma 1 and Merus, or heavy hitters who were in the previous ToP
@@XJSPlays02 you out of all people have not watched Dragon Ball. Goten has Higher Potential than gohon. Goten went SSJ from seeing it once in his life in like 5 seconds. Gotenks was holding his own against Buu but he is a little kid so he was trolling too much and got absorbed. We literally just watched Gohon go from SSJB level to Stronger than UI and UE from raging. What’s stopping Trunks and Goten from doing the same at this point. Also we literally just watched 2 people wish to be the damn strongest in the universe, and whis can transverse wishes like if they wished it for life span shortened whis could just heal them. Also the writing for dragon ball is horrible, Vegeta would rather him, his friends and family die than fuse with goku. Instead of making a whole new transformation for the first TOP they could have just fused as a last resort and let everyone learn new "Techniques" and "Transformations" for the second TOP.
@@shaolinfantastic9118 yea i feel you i feel like we need more in depth story lines and villains however rhe only eay i would like it if it was like a tourtament of power moment. Type thing where its a whole bunch of people being introduced in a arc. To where it doesnt need much explaining
@@Pinkarmada01 nah you shitting on yamcha too much just like the writers he was booted from the tournament of power because he didn't get any screentime and remember roshi was in tournament of power you know the immortal pervert
Remember when the namekians said the dragon balls were a challenge for the namekian warriors and when they complete that challenge they get a gift and such? I think that orange piccolo is that gift and such
We also have to remember. Even though Team 7 has grown insanely strong. The other universes didn't stop either. If I remember correctly even Jiren was telling Toppo they have to start training so next time they can win. So who knows how strong they could have gotten too. Like the last time we saw our man Hit he was almost single handedly beating Jiren.
We all know where this is going, using gohan and piccolo as a setup for motivation. Then poof, vegeta surpasses both, then goku gets an insane power boost. I just want to know the depth of broly's power. He harbors the same emotions as gohan, but, again, this is dragonball. He probably gets a different color transformation. Maybe a darker green and blue mix.
18:41 The events of the Super Hero movie in the Manga take place AFTER the Granolah Arc (A good while after according to the dialogue) so Orange piccolo is close to UI and UE Goku and Vegeta.
How do you know that? We haven't seen those powers side by side, but probably he will be at the same level or more powerful so they have excuse for Goku and Vegeta to unlock a new and powerful upgrade.
Bro i just love dragon ball, i love that determination to keep the anime alive and i love the fact it was one of our childhood's favourite shows and still till now ! I want it to end in a perfect way, in a way that makes all of us laughing while tearing that precious memories of enjoyment , sad moments , happiness , shock , theories and ideas , lessons that we learned from watching this great unrepeatable franchise ✨👌
One thing that's always confused me is, in those 4 universes it's pretty obvious at that point in time Jiren was the strongest, but was anyone in those 4 universes stronger or was he just that guy?
Higher mortal level doesn't necessarily mean stronger. It means more developed, in fact it could even be argued that those 4 universes are weaker, they are just smarter.
The thing I love about Gohan Beast is the fact that Goku and Vegeta have spent years continuing train and fight enemies, thus hoestly their new transformations feel kind of boring as we've seen so many of them. But for Gohan he only generally trains to fight when he needs to, or temporaily increases his power enough not to be completly useless such as the Tournament of Power, but he always falls into letting himself get soft. We always saw Gohan had this primal strength buried deep within, but recently he'd just stuck to base form or normal Super Saiyan forms, but man Beast was a long time coming and I am so happy Gohan at least has SOMETHING around Goku and Vegeta's current level, same with Picollo, liek dude's been stagnating, he and Gohan NEEDED these transformations.
It was pretty stupid how Gohan was able to jump from TOP super saiyan god Goku to Mui Goku in the matter of a couple of days. That’s probably a bigger increase than friezes potential. Like let’s be honest, they pulled the beast form out their arse and if gohan can catch up to mui Goku in just a few days, then he could easily catch up to black frieza in like, two weeks. So stupid.
@@yadatada5556 Personally I hope they retcon it so that Gohan Beast and Orange Picollo are just at the strength of Goku and Vegeta using Blue at it's most powerful. Leave it to Goku and Vegeta to be the ones always pushing the farthest, but these ct as good power boosts for 2 essential members of the team. I also hope they just stop at Ultra Instint/ Ego. Like come on, they're already pushing their limits of believablility on these 2 without making Goku and Vegeta LITERAL omnipotent unbeatable gods. I hope these forms and Black Frieza are forms that no matter how hard they train are just not useable long term by mortals. We already know the Destroyers arn't evil, so they're no threat to the universe and after all Goku and Vegeta have done I'm dure despite his threats that Beerus won't ever destroy Earth, too many great fighters here and too much good food left to taste. I think Dragonball should just stop on the whole Goku and Vegeta pushign their limits thing. Have them actually finally reach their limits, and continue the series a bit more casually, maybe have old villains lie Cell retern and also get new forms and just generally have our characters go explore the other Universes, I'd love to see what they're like and see their heroes we saw in the TOP in action and fghting new villains.
@@yadatada5556 So tournament of power isn’t considered training ? Gohan was going toe to toe with dyspo who was dog walking golden freiza. Gohan always had that power in him as stated by both goku and vegeta. Now that he learned to use you wanna say it doesn’t make sense.
So we just gonna pretend Goten doesn't have the same if not more potential than Gohan since he achieved super saiyan at an even younger age than him and should have the potential to be devastatingly power if simply trained by literally anyone in the main cast Piccolo, Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Whis, or even Beerus...
The fact freiza didn’t kill them knowing that he could is an insane character development. No he isn’t good by any means but he does have a respect for those “monkeys”. Plus he no longer loathes them enough to want to kill them. He just wants them to understand that they will always be below him in power.
@@mafiozoo10 Now it is yes. It's basically become a bad fan fic to sell action figures and merchandise by changing the color of hair and making a ki blast more sparkly. It's retarded and low effort.
Vegeta might unlock form or match freeza's level as he's focusing on controling his mind in last manga. Vegeta understood what whis was trying to teach. Whis said it in last manga.
I don’t think it should be that easy considering we know how broken Frieza’s potential is. 10 years is a long time and there’s no reason to assume Frieza didn’t continue training in the chamber between granolah and super hero arcs.
Yes we definitely got stronger with the addition of Broly, Gohan and Piccolo's upgrade, Black frieza and maybe Buu could fight now. But I still think the other 6 pre-erased universes that Zeno erased way before the TOP is also brought back to life with 17's wish so they could have dangerously strong men as well which might be the reason they're erased in the first place
Yeah, sorry. Gohan isn’t the strongest or even past the other two. This is basically Toriyama giving him a power slot that makes him different but comparable to the Ultra powers. This won’t be the Cell Saga all over again. Frieza is the peak player and also the greatest threat. The underlying idea being: Toriyama is largely off the cuff hype to sell new gimmicks. The overall story isn’t going to massively shift. It’ll always be Goku and Vegeta’s rivalry at the centre with the other support cast in face of a completely overwhelming threat.
Not sure why everyone think freeza would re join universe 7. My guess is that where he went to train is a universe that will take him. I'd say he won't be on 7 but a stronger universe and his goal would be to wipe out 7.
Other than Jiren, Toppo and Hit, who else was really contending with universe 7? No one. These 3 would’ve had to have gotten much stronger to even hope to fight any of the new forms universe 7 got. But then they’d also need at least 3 or 4 more people around that level to help
@@keyneee1144 I thought it was also based on population, because if it's too low, then the god of destruction and the kai aren't doing their jobs correctly and letting shit get out of whack
Assuming teams are 10 fighters again. Goku, Vegeta, Granola, Frieza, Piccolo, Gohan, Broly, Perfect Cell Max, and the other 2 are probably people we haven’t met.
@@Safalmao so you're telling me Gohan's eyebrows aren't white? The large hair is shading his hair, that's why it looks grey, yet you can look at his eyebrows and it's actually white, not grey nor silver, his eyebrows are white
The only problem is Black Frieza has no reason to join like he did last time and there's nobody that could really make him join so you'd have to exclude him from the team
Congrats on the video. I don't agree with you, however. For starters, there are 3 key players, that are not yet mentioned, if not 4. Goten and Trunks, and yes, they'll need to develop and participate, and Uub. And even Pan, but I still think she's too young. Second, and perhaps most crucial, remember that there was proposal for Frieza to join another Universe? That's a Tchekov gun, never show a thing if you're not going to use it later. And I believe that now, that Frieza is actually very, very strong, he'll be the bigger threat from other Universes. And they'll have, in the end, the moral dilema to bring back other universes or to keep Frieza actually dead... I imagine that Frieza will find a way to move between universes, to find richnesses or whatever. But I don't see him fighting for Universe 7 this time... But BRING BACK THE ANIME!!! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!! I'm 43 now!!! :D
During Goku fight with Gas and Granolah. Goku stated that he couldn’t kept his heart calmed, which resulted in him not able to bring out the real power in PUI. So fighting Gas with TUI seemed more suitable for Goku. But Goku silver haired UI still his strongest form as long as he can keep his heart calmed. He got one shotted by Granolah due to the fact that he was nervous when he realized that he didn’t fight the real Granolah all along, which I think result in Goku PUI become weaker before Granolah one shotted him. While Goku’s battle with Moro, Goku seemed to be control in the whole situation which resulted in Goku PUI has become superior compare to his fights with Granolah and Gas. I’m not saying that Goku is stronger during his fight with Moro, but what I’m saying is that Goku can use PUI better compare to how he used PUI against Granolah and Gas. Due to the fact that Goku was more calmed when he fought Moro
@@michaeleverett1376 I think the last movie did a set up for her being cannon, as it mentions " Vomi", the name of the wife of dr. Gero who is the human base for 21.
Gohan is the true key to universe 7 success in raising the mortal level. I've been saying for yrs Gohan will become a supreme Kai , Goku angel,Vegeta god ,broly top 10 in the multiverse
Strongest Roster: Goku, Vegeta, Granola, Broly, Gohan, Piccolo, Meerus, Buu, 17, Frieza. Best Roster: Goku, Vegeta, Granola, Broly, Gohan, Piccolo, Number 17, Number 18, Gamma 1, Gamma 2. Gamma 1 and 2 should fuse, and 17 and 18 should fuse. Or, both 17 and 18 fuse with each of the Gammas. I think 18 will choose Gamma 1, while 17 will choose Gamma 2. This is because Gamma 1 is more serious like Number 18, while Gamma 2 is more for justice like Number 17. Goku and Vegeta probably won't fuse, but they might. If they don't, then either Gohan and Piccolo or more likely Orange Piccolo and Broly will fuse. No Krillin, no Tien, no Master Roshi, no Frieza, they can all watch from the sidelines or something.
The best possible universe 7 team combination: -TUI Goku -Ultra Ego Vegeta -Beast Gohan -Dragon Piccolo -LSSJ Broly -Black Frieza -Granolah -Bring back Angel Moro from hell -Bring back Gas from hell -Bring back Cell Max from hell And that is the best possible combination for universe 7’s team in the next tournament of power.
Uub should be a member or maybe even gotten and trunks - in super hero, they were able to showcase quite a bit of power against cell max whilst being in a failed fusion. It was earlier shown that the same failed fusion was useless and powerless yet now can do damage to someone of that level.. imagine how much power they have when they succeed in fusion
If they change anything with granola i think it should be how he becomes the strongest. If he goes to universe 12 or something and trained with them it would make sense if he came back strong af
Other universes: Hey, 7, is that old guy not competing again? Goku: No, he stayed home. But it's okay, I've been training someone to fill in for him. Other universes: Oh really? Who? Goku: _points at Broly_ Other universes: Hu, well that doesn't seem so bad.
The things you said about Dragon Ball and the ending of the tournament of power like in Mexico and other places is hilarious and super awesome. I didn't know about that that's really cool
Goten and Trunks should start to show an interest in swordmanship to reference them realizing their potential in DBO. They'd be able to finally show some good characterization
There’s so manny fans in Mexico it’s insane they even play. The episodes in the plaza with 500 people every Saturday we’ll when it was airing at the time
i love the chances that 17 will be a member.. he was a great support and hes an android which is hax in this type of battles.. so my choices are 17 and buu or uub
Imagine how wild it would be if they made Super 17 from GT cannon but a good guy. Similar to broly. Would definitely give him an insane boost to hang with the bois in power.
Here’s the list for me: Goku Vegeta Gohan Piccolo Broly Frieza Granolah Gamma 1 Android 17 Future trunks So basically the same as this one but with minor changes
