Black Frieza Vs Gohan Beast Ends Really Badly 

Beast Gohan + Black Frieza Vs Beerus Your thoughts?

Goku mentions that Freeza is still more powerful than him and Vegeta in the super hero arc and we saw him spar against Beast Gohan so Black freeza molly whoops Beast Gohan.

I feel like Freeza has to be strong enough to stomp Gohan, otherwise what’s the point? Story wise, Freeza has to be that big of a threat.

Gohan Beast vs Black Freeza feels like an anticipated heavyweight fight. Battle of the prodigies. Id love to see this fight

Super sayin blue vegeta battled Gohan.. while UE Full power and serious vegeta and MUI goku got 1 shotted by frieza.. the gap is huge.

Frieza definitely continued to train as he knows Goku and Vegeta would have started training after their loss

Goku faced FULL RAGE Gohan once and he lost. Gohan had calmed down later on. Compare Gohan in the two sections In one Gohan was going crazy and later he was more normal. They started smiling again after he knocked Goku out of UI but he was going full Hulk smash mode when he knocked him out of UI Gokus UI cant handle Gohans true power. And Gohan had the taken the least damage after the royale even though he had the most fights and isnt as skilled as Goku. Its like its always been in Z Goku can handle Gohan normally but not when he gets enraged. When he has those crazy moments. Even in the Buu saga Goku and Vegeta said that if Gohan used his true anger he would STILL surpass them In the Cell games Gohan only unleashed his rage at the LAST moment when he was at less than 50% and with one arm Kamehemeha and he won against Cell who slightly above Initial SSJ2 Gohan. Thats like a 5x boost Same as always, but Gohan is starting to control it more,but he still has a lot of work on the form. Even Goku said he has a lot on his mind This has always been the status quo,when Gohan goes crazy he is beyond Goku. And after the Saiyan Royale he said he went even further than he had in a while, meaning he went ABOVE the level he had when he knocked Goku out of UI. And the result of going further? He was the one who was in the best condition.

It’s clear Gohan was trying his very best to hit Goku as hard as he could. Goku was very relaxed and having a good time before and after that stomach shot. Regardless of you think Gohan is stronger or not, Goku would beat Gohan fairly handily right now. Gohan was tired asf after that little full power stunt so he can’t maintain that

Awesome video bro. Gohan just need more training with Goku. Perhaps something similar to what they did with the SSJ full power, in this case it would be with Beast Mode and try to use it as much as possible during the day so that when Gohan releases much more power his body does not become exhausted, he may even reach a new stage of his Beast Mode.

Think of it like this; Goku is a human Gohan is a Desert eagle Black frieza is a 50 caliber sniper with AP rounds Both can one shot a human, but are they the same strength or even relative? No. Gohan beast is relative to goku, arguably above him. Black frieza no diffed goku and vegeta at the same time. This isn’t a comparison.

Gohan, clearly angry, frustrated, powering up like crazy and going all out to try to land ONE HIT on his very casual father who isn't trying to win and only goes INTO the form but doesn't power up afterward. RevoluShane: "Oh yeah Gohan wasn't trying either" lol denial takes all forms, eh. Or did you choose to ignore the part where Gohan missed 99% of his punches but Goku landed ALL of his, and more OF them, ANNNDDDD the part where Goku notices Broly wants to fight (has TIME to look over and notice, which says something) and decides this fight is over and INSTANTLY throws Gohan on his ass and says "cool, I just wanted to test ya son but let's have Broly fight now". The fact that the MOMENT he WANTED to throw Gohan back, he did it like it was EFFORTLESS. SO no, Gohan is not stronger. Sorry, fanboys.

If you guys haven’t read the official chapter 103 release please do! It’s very informative and straight forward and it also gives us alot of hints through it’s art ✍🏽, statements from characters, and the actions that take place in the panels, don’t be bias just read and enjoy, some things that i’ve noticed is that Gohan has done an amazing feat by hitting Goku in his strongest form whilst never fighting Goku in PMUI before and the hit resembled the hit that Freiza did to Goku and Vegeta at weaker power levels, also peep how Gohan knocked a stronger Goku out of his most powerful form while Black Freiza did the exact same thing to a weaker version of Goku and Vegeta which imo is not implying that Gohan is stronger that Black Freiza but that Gohan might just be the one who ends Black Freiza once and for all, the comparison in the manga between Gohan Beast and Black Freiza and both of their transformations coming out around the same time as each other isn’t a coincidence it’s a hint, also the things that everyone is saying about Gohan’s new form and not only that but also how they reacted to it, Gohan also although Vegeta said that Gohan moved faster that PMUI could react Gohan then further explains in slight detail of how he was able to hit Goku but he also said that he hasn’t mastered it yet which makes perfect sense, also earlier in the chapter before Goku kicks Gohan he says “when it comes to training I don’t mess around” implying that he is definitely taking the fight between him and his son very serious and we know how much of a training fanatic Goku is also the title of this chapter is quite obvious and it clearly shows that Gohan is now taking fighting and training seriously (even before he fought Goku) and also that he is Physically stronger (strength and speed) than his dad but he lacks experience which makes sense due to his lack of training (which is what super was all about when it came to Gohan, alot of people missed the fact that super has been foreshadowing a Gohan redemption story in the back ground ever sense resurrection F which was one of those iykyk type of things 🧠) also although Gohan has been training with Piccolo and Orange Piccolo 9/10, he still needs to train with more skilled and stronger opponents, although Gohan has clearly been training his butt off he still lacked competition and opponents that could help him break his limits but now he has that along with Orange Piccolo, but Gohan still isn’t stronger or faster than Goku’s PMUI form unless he maintains his peak power just like he briefly stated in the manga, Gohan now has to train for 2 main goals, first is mastering Beast and it’s technique, maintaining his stamina in that transformation, and learning new battle techniques just like Goku and Vegeta did on planet Yardrat but instead have Gohan go to another planet or universe and learn better and more updated techniques

Freeza casually one shotted both vegeta and goku, gohan needed to power up to the max and even then goku was able to dodge for a little bit before getting one shotted, yes goku has gotten stronger over time but I doubt freeza has sat there doing nothing. Also it seems like Freeza will be the main villain of an arc in the future, it'd be really funny to just see him get one shotted, ignored and replaced but I highly doubt it will happen.

No matter the power display from Gohan without a doubt Black Frieza would absolutely Curb stomp him.

Wasn’t a one shot bruh ain’t no way you still going around saying that shi💀 and if Gohan wasn’t serious why the hell he go full power against A basic mui. Don’t try to say mui is his strongest form cause that’s irrelevant there is different levels to gokus mui he didn’t even charge his ki up like Gohan did nor did he use susano so your statements are just wrong fix them 💀

I hope before any black freiza arc we get another universe 6 arc and the saiyans train to beat freiza or like compete with him. It could be a great way for broly to meet kale and vegeta to train cabba I hope that that happens. It would add so much suspense and tie up loose ends in super

Stronger yes but not better. Thats what the writers are trying to tell us.. they even said ( they are trying to get us to think about other ways of how a character can be scaled instead of just power)???

I can see Whis & Beeruz wanting to train Gohan up close after seeing what they seen- I personally believe thiers more to the beast form than we all know- After all Gohan hasnt Fully unleashed all his Ki which is clear cause he stated it himself..

FINALLY AN UPDATED VIDEO ON THIS

Broly as a legendary super saiyan would solo both. he managed to equal out beast gohan without even going his green haired super saiyan state. imagine him in the form of LSSJ or perhaps him becoming LSSJ2 or 3? which is safe to assume exists.

Freeza vs Gohan is not really a fair fight. Freeza went for the kill on Gas, he did it with little effort. Then he went to KO Goku and Vegeta. If he aims for a KO, he had to suppress his power so he does not kill them both. Sure Gohan is sparring, but he did state he went to his current maximum while keeping it under control, which implies, Gohan can't kill or completely KO Goku. Yes, this Goku is much stronger than before. The idea here is that if Gohan was equal or close to Freeza, he would be able to completely KO Goku. He simply overwhelmed Goku with raw speed and power. UI is a state of body and mind. Not allowing thoughts to slow down the body and allowing the body to move freely. So if Goku starts thinking about how strong Gohan suddently got, then UI looses its ground and focus, which is what ended up happening. Goku went straight back into UI and continued fighting Gohan. We don't know if Gohan continued to use max power or not, it would make sense to continue to use his max power, otherwise what's the f*cking point to continue sparring if he will never connect. Which means, Goku had to adapt to Gohan's new power increase, and we can see he was doing well, to the point of looking sideways towards Broly and then doing a short stun on Gohan to trade places with Broly. Goku and Gohan are on the same playing field here. Gohan might have higher raw power, but it does not give him the edge to KO Goku out of the fight instantly. He was caught by surprise. Freeza and Gohan is not comparable in any way possible. Freeza probably scales more to Broly in terms of raw power. Because Gohan was amazed by Broly's power when he transformed. And we know Broly has raw power that compares to Beerus, possibly even surpassing him. Freeza is close to Beerus afterall. Broly is still learning, so it would make sense that the only character we saw on this chapter to actually compare to Freeza or even surpass him, is Broly. But not Broly in his current state, but actually a Broly going all out. I've stated in your previous video that a controlled state does not equal to greater raw power. It however means better efficiency. Broly when out of control, uses all of his raw power and continues to increase his own power during the fight to the point it can even kill him. A controlled state means the power has to be suppressed to be kept under control. But being under control does not make the character weaker, it just allows them to use a good slice of that power with more efficiency. Let's say 100% is berserk state for Broly, because he is using it all, but to keep that power under control, he has to use like 90% instead, which means Broly would be lacking 10% of his raw power when in control of SSJ. This is an example, not proper values. If i had to use a hakaishin tier system (power/skill/technique), where quitela and Beerus are S tier overall, then Freeza would be S- overall untill further notice. Broly going all out would be S for raw power but would be lower for other fields like a C. Goku and Vegeta are equals at this point, A for power and S- for skill/technique, Vegeta increases in power during fight and Goku increases in skill/technique during fight. Gohan is probably A+ for power and like a B for everything else. Broly under control is probably A++ for power and B- for everything else. This to me is what makes the most sense.

Yall need to think of it like Ali vs george foreman. Foreman was the stronger puncher and hit way harder then Ali. But Ali was more exprienced, faster, and skilled It's just like Goku vs beast Gohan

Frieza got lucky catching 3 fighters weakend and offguard first gas, then goku and Vegeta standing too close together in that moment. Gohan performed with goku ready and aware for the moment, which out shines frieza's moment in all aspects. Gohan will knock the terrible colour scheme out of him. Just to add also, Frieza is very tactful and also relies on his ability to intimidate and psychologically destroy his opponents. Frieza has mentioned that he is in control of his outward colour scheme, and he may have used his single moment of opportunity to make goku and vegeta believe, at the time, that this form of himself has significant power over what his enemies currently showcase. This could possibly be his 50percent bluff and ego for that edge in their next battle. An edge that if were that significant, would have and wouldnt hesitate to finish all his enemies then and there if his boast was true, but the fact that he doesnt finish the job like he would have if he didnt doubt the power he talks about.

It would be pointless if Beast Gohan is strong enough to beat Black Frieza. Why even give Frieza this new transformation then ? Just so the fighters get strong enough to beat Frieza without an arc even involving him ? I hope we will get a Black Frieza saga where he is ahead of everyone in terms of power with the others slowly catching up to him like the Namek Saga.

I think that Black Frieza won’t be alone and that he will have either another ally just as strong as him or stronger than him to help him (Maybe cooler maybe not) or he’ll have a new elite team that are very powerful, I highly doubt that he will be alone when he goes up against the new Z fighters

We could get brohan vs. Black Frieza. That could be fun.

The mantle of the strongest is still up for grabs

Zeno/zarama/grand priest Supreme gods/mortals of demon realm and all other realms yet to be introduced Bodyguards of zeno Angels Meerus Beerus/quitela Black frieza/perfect cell max/gogeta/vegito Broly/Gohan beast Mui goku Ultra ego vegeta

Agreed Gohan is stronger. However I will say that between Goku, Vegeta and Gohan, they have never been closer in strength.

I believe whis saying “suitable” just means that gohan has the necessary power to qualify, I don’t think it necessarily means he surpassed beerus.

The writer said gohan was the strongest. The rest is cap

I don’t like this scaling ! Not because I don’t want frieza to be strong ! But it’s like they just almost moved past just power n started to include technique that’s very impressive to be able to defeat each other ! Then wit this one simple thing it just pooped on that! And basically made Ui n UE basically irrelevant right after they just got the forms perfected !

If current Goku and current Gohan are relative in overall power. Then Frieza is deleting Gohan ☠️

Goku is like the skar king and gohan beast is like kong think of it like that

It's rather simple Frieza one shot UI Goku Gohan was edged over by UI Goku in a sparring match even though it was sometime later if Goku closed the gap between him and frieza it would at least be mentioned in the manga so Black frieza wins, low diff.

It took everything Gohan had to land that blow. Black frieza is neg diffing everyone other than a snapped broly.

Well of course he's not ready but i feel like as not as he is Black Frieza cheap shoting Vegeta and Goku takes away from his power it says hey look at me im soo powerful i didn't even play fair because im scared my weakness may be discovered or not allowing them fuse...Beast Gohan might not be the win here but if had a tail and became Beast Oozaru I think we might have something here

With how strong Frieza has gotten he better at least be around 80-90% of Beerus’s power or else it’s just gonna start getting stupid with how much they increase Beerus’s power.

Again you talking about Gohan one shooting Goku out his form as an equal to Freeza one shooting Goku AND Vegeta out their forms like it was the same??? You can actually SEE the difference?? When Freeza did it they both were trying. And the look of a destress from them wayyyyy more than what Goku showed against Gohan??? Than you wanna say Goku THINKING isn't relevant when we all know in order to use UI you can't think?? That's the whole POINT of UI. Your body moves without you thinking. It moves on its own. Y'all Gohan fan boys just can't realize that Gohan IS the most powerful Saiyan due to his raw Power but he's still not gonna be top at all around just raw strength. And that's what you all are missing. And YES Gohan was trying WAYYY more than Goku. For him to Power up to his max just to try his hardest to hit 🎯 Goku and only landing one after throwing a 100 punches. Than breathing heavily afterwards? TF you talking about

Sorry Frieza, but Gohan two-shotted a stronger MUI Goku from the most current arc. Goku had trained a couple of times after being one-shotted by Frieza, and Goku even mentioned to Gohan that he had been training at Beerus's world while Gohan had gotten stronger (and he still got two-shotted by Gohan). No one is stopping Gohan during the times that he has reached his potential (even Akira T. stated that Gohan is the strongest...but people will still find ways to debate it lol) Beast Gohan > Black Frieza

gohan “might” somewhat keep pace with UI Goku if he pushes to the max. Black Frieza annihilated UI Goku and UE Vegeta at the same time with a single punch.. no effort

Black frieza doesn’t want to kill goku or vegeta he wants to start a war with the Gods and challenge grand priest.. I believe he’s going to be killed by grand priest.

Super began with Frieza stomping Gohan and ended with Gohan promising Frieza hands...either Gohan or Vegeta have to get theirs from beating Frieza, Goku and Broly already violated Frieza let these 2 get theirs.

Onesided W for BBC Frieza

And you saying all this about what Vegeta said your basically disregarding it by saying gohan is better lol. But trying to use it as a point for what????? So contradicting yourself

No one there was showing their true power, bro. Calm down. They were just horsing around. You can't say goku was at its full power. Gohan was also playing and in the end all of them were. Relax.

Black frieza is 1 shoting all of them. Hell beerus still 1 shots them. I think they won't ever catch up to frieza because of the amount of time he trained unless they trained in another dimension like him for the same amount of time. Idont see how they can close the gap unless while they've been training he stopped training.

Black Frieza is killing Gohan Beast, give it up all you doubters. Gohan doesn't deserve his position anyways.

a spar in dragon ball isn't the same as irl in dragon ball in a spar they actually beat each other up remember the room of spirit and time goku almost killed gohan in a spar

I feel that gohan should be able to evolve the form a step higher to beat frieza

Gohan would win if his base becomes equal to Frieza.

you forgot vegito

Get Least Fraudhan out of that matchup, Frieza bodies that Fraud.

He didnt o0ne shot Goku and Goku didnt even go all out

Still watching but frieza trained for gogeta and broly. It would more bad writing for him to be weaker than gohan.

It’s up to broly to take down freiza

Black frieza >>>>> Gohan Best

The only thing defeating black Frieza is going to be a fusion

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For the sake of the narrative Black Frieza has to be stronger

Black Frieza would WIN 💯💪🏼 He’s the closest to power level of a God Of Destruction! Beerus & Quintella being the strongest of the Gods, cat & mouse 😂 Jiren & Toppo better pray he don’t want revenge for being embarrassed in the TOP

Frieza wasn’t even trying either

Why you lying saying Gohan one shotted Goku 😂 no point in even watching this video Gohan bs frieza is no longer a debate Frieza beats him with 0 difficulty

I think Black Frieza has better control over his black form since he trained for 10 years while Gohan has more raw power and strength naturally. If we talk about who’s the strongest not about who has better control of their forms. I still do believe Gohan is the strongest consider all of info from Toriyama. I do believe in the future Gohan will continue to train with Whis or Goku, and once he fully mastered his beast form. He’ll truly become the strongest warrior in universe 7. We’ve gotta remember that the Goku that fought Beast is the Goku that trained to beat Black Frieza and I do believe that this version of Goku is way stronger than Goku in Granolah arc. We have to give more credit to Gohan since he can keep up and one shot this upgrade version of UI Goku into his base form

Stop the nonsense gohan didn’t do the same as frieza at all 😂 gohan ko goku for 1/2 seconds out of his form in a sparring match frieza one shotted both UE and UI at once in a real situation vegeta and goku know that frieza isn’t there to spar with them and when frieza knocked them out they where actually ko not for 2 seconds goku was ko by gohan out of his form for 1/2 seconds but he was still active in his base and just turned MUI back again frieza is different

wrong goku and vegeta warriors can beat black *** frieza simple transform to Ultra Vegito either or both mui / Ue or Vegito SSJBE KAIOKEN!!! ezzzzz freiza defeated and gohan surpassed 18:32

Gohan is nothing to frieza

Frieza just has to take a big dump to increase his power level and Gohan just one bad yo mama joke.

What I believe is that defeating someone with the wish to grow stronger and having that person turn to bones trying to surpass you is the hardest thing in dragon ball currently. "It was not within your destiny to live long enough to surpass my power" ahh event😂

Beast Gohan only knocked Goku out of his form and didn't damage him much, Black Frieza 1 tapped Goku without trying lmao, actually most insane feat in DBS so far.

There's a point I'd like to address that people use in favor of Frieza: he'd have to be the strongest because he's the next main antagonist. Is he? We can guess, but we don't know what they're cooking. While we're at it, who and where's the guy is that oracle fish prophecied and when do they come? What made Frieza decide to spare Goku and Vegeta? Why didn't he go to Earth and make whatever wish he pleased when nobody could stop him? The plot is no reason to say that one or the other wins when we don't know what the plot is to begin with and why.

This makes me think about JIREN because he was stated to be stronger than the gods. So, where does this place him and goku and vegeta. It would be interesting video on where Jiren could be as far as power level. I love your videos btw👍🏾‼️‼️

Bro current Gohan is not beating black freeza..it's just not happening.

Even if they weren't trying to kill each other , only Gohan powered up while Goku didn't. It's like what happened with Ssj Goku vs full power Frieza, Goku was getting beaten up but he wasn't even serious.

Gohan has power . But has not trained to increase his output of that power . Imagine a water jet shooting water out at 1200 mph , it can cut through the hardest of materials... but an entire ocean traveling towards you at 1200 mph , destroys everything in its path. Gohan right now is the water jet . Black Freiza is closer to being the ocean.

Goku barely took any damage from the Gohan blow that knocked him out of ultra instinct when Black Frieza one shot Goku and Vegeta they couldn't even move

Frieza may have more power but I still think he is way less skilled than Gohan in which Gohan is Powerful but he has way more skill than Freiza in which he could win.If Frieza has any weakness he would have to end the battle quick. Freiza takes a long time to charge his moves his brother Cooler is faster and I believe Gohan is a lot faster than freiza and way more skilled.He did knock him down in one of his earlier forms as a child.Even he was even faster than Perfect form cell at level 2 SS just transforming while fighting him remember how fast he snatched back those senzu beans.

I don’t think Frieda has passed holy n vegeta I think they just haven’t figured him out yet ! I’m pretty sure like UI N UE black Frieza Has his own niche or technical way of being ! Once they figure it out I think it would be a closer march ! Like frieza learned how to be faster or focus all his energy into one punch or learned how to maintain his upmost power more consistently like Jiren! They just haven’t had time to dissect things !

Frezza definitely wins tho

Why don't beerus just tell freeza to stop or Zeno its going to handle him, why they even giving them an opportunity. . Oh yeah nevermind 😅

Goku is stronger because hes the main character. I get that its fun to talk about your hobby and Im not criticizing taking a deep dive necessarily. What I am criticizing is this hyper critical over analyzation and invention of straight head canon pseudo sciences about power levels and how the world works. The world works however the writers feel that day. There is zero consistency in this show for who, what, and why anyone is ever capable of any feat. This Ultra Instinct technique vs unrefined raw power stuff is straight up head canon and although I do find it logical I also know that means nothing in this show/manga. People will be as strong as they need to be according to the whims of the writer, nothing that happened previously or was stated previously will change this. They literally just forget things sometimes and they will absolutely just write things into or out of the story from a straight ass pull. Pretending you can logic this shows power system out is insane. You might as well debate the politics of Narnia

wrong goku and vegeta warriors can beat black *** frieza simple transform to Ultra Vegito either or both mui / Ue or Vegito SSJBE KAIOKEN!!! ezzzzz freiza defeated and gohan surpassed 18:32

Goku beats gohan

If Gohan is currently above frieza then a potential frieza arc has ended before it even started. Thats why I don’t put Gohan above frieza currently

Gohan just needs more practice with his max beast power

If Goku and Gohan would have been going all out fr. Goku would have won lol. His raw power is all he got. We've seen that raw power is not the only way of being the best warrior. Throughout the whole fight Goku was the better fighter. Gohan had to max out just to miss 100 more hits just to land 1. Where when Goku wanted to land a hit on Gohan he did it with ease. You obviously don't know what a spar is because you keep saying a feat lol. You so contradicting

Goku and Vegeta were stated to be fully healed before Freeza showed up and one shotted them both out of ultra instinct and Ultra Ego.

Do ( Controlled ) or ( C) Legendary Super Saiyan Broly vs Black Frieza ...

Goku fans down bad hahahaga

Black frieza no diffs

Great points, Gohan did one shot Goku who was MUI and stronger than he was vs Frieza. Plus Whis statement about who's strongest could imply to Gohan since thats the next arc we see AND he's constantly being claimed the strongest. Yes Frieza wasnt trying as much when he knocked out Goku but Goku was in MUI against Gohan. So I think Gohan could definitely rival Frieza at least

Come on don't act like the SAIYANS ain't SAVAGE they fought Moro then they chase down Granola and the Heaters and fought them and you talking about black frieza knocking them out there forms REALLY!!!!!!! They was fighting for like 30 days.......!!!! Seriously !!!!!!!!!!!!

Gohan fought a stronger goku but he had to use full power for that auto dodge but when frieza went against TUI he was able to get past that auto dodge like it wasn't even there all without trying he no diffed both of them Dare I say even current golden frieza>=>>>>>>>>>>>>UI goku?

Has anyone talked about maybe frieza has changed after 10yrs of TRAINING. He still wants to fight an kick all the "stupid monkeys" arses but afterward woth the chance to kill them the desire is no longer there and he becomes a 1 time Z fighter again to help against the true big bad

Narratively, Frieza will be stronger than Gohan. Why else would they give Frieza a buff if he won't be a villain?

Frieza will give gohan worst asswhopping in the entire series even worse than vegeta in z you gohan fans are insane

Chapter 103 "side blurb" "Strongest vs Strongest" Where Black freeza at?? 😂😂😂

They Destin 2 fight. Gohan gotta get his faceback 4 getting 1 shot n frieza base form

Yea frieza stomps not even mid diff

Black frieza one shots