Black Magic Pocket Cinema 6k vs. RED Weapon 6k 

Yup. The price alone should get blackmagic 5 points.

I was about to write this. The fact that you can get within probably 90% at that price, is ridiculous.

BMPCC is the clear winner here. You can make a 50 million dollar budget movie with a BMPCC6K and you automatically spend a few million bucks less cause most Red Cameras are being rented at such crazy prizes, when you buy the gear for the BMPCC6K you can spend the rest of the money on more shooting days or as a security cussion for something else. Of course dynamic range does a lot. And there is a huge difference but this is why most high budget production use Arri instead of even the Red cause it s not even on par with the Arri. I do not like the red dragon it is bulky, it is user unfriendly and actually you cannot shoot with it at 50K cause only the body. With BMPCC you spend a max of 4K for the body and a few lenses and you are good to go as a camera operator. for low and even some higher budget productions. Fuck the Red Camera.

If you are an amatuer or film student then the cheaper Camera would be a great options but for a full scale film production it is a different matter.

Very true.

The new Blackmagic Video Assist is the best monitor. They also forgot the pocket 6k comes with the best video editing software Davinci Resolve Studio FREE.

technically yah

It's his camera, ain't no WAY he would let the bmpcc win. BMPCC definitely wins. The price, it comes with the editing program when you buy the camera, and it competes with Hollywood cameras. I understand that the RED is your camera but, it lost. People ain't walking around with $80,000. You said $50,000 in video, but I know all the attachments that comes with it and it isn't no $50,000 in total. That is just for the BODY! No screen, no, nothing!

Bias

GamerPoets yes!

Agree. It was stupid how they add score. How this camera can win over all if u have to pay so much money? Are we talking about budget? So person with BMPC6K can buy full set of sound, lights and probably ronin for it. Common ; =)

These people are not pros; but they'd like to think they are.

I see three people deluding themselves here... finding justification for why they spent $47,500 for a negligible image quality increase which is totally lost in RU-vid compression. They could've bought a brand new RAM Power Wagon with the difference. But what do I know, I'm just a businessman.

I actually felt confident in buying a bmpcc 6k thanks to this vid. I have a long way to go to get better at using it and color grading (1st time ever using a real camera) but it has been great for my needs.

premiere pro not color managed *coff* *coff*

@@sandros94 but black magic just released a free plugin for premiere so you can now put it directly into premiere vs Davinci

@@sandros94 Agree, Color Managed is the the SHIT!

Also a pretty decent editing software

Is that the studio version of davinci?

@PRIVATE This is beyond spot on. The review like many is great, but that you can use the BMPCC4K/6K for making movies, corporate videos, weddings, etc.. and many are, is a testament to the way the industry is moving. While it is always awesome seeing Red/Arri/Sony/Canon and so on release their $10K to $100K or more cameras, the fact is, the mass majority of people are able to afford BMPCC cameras and for the vast majority of projects it will be on par with high end cinema cameras for a fraction of the price. Many movies even purchase several BM cameras as B roll for things like mounting to cars, etc now since on large budgets they can be considered disposable. For me, I would shoot on BM all day over paying the ridiculous prices RED and others cost. Like you said, that is the old way of charging 100x more than the camera needs to cost for a few minor advantages that in the end, when viewed by us consumers on youtube or netflix.. is almost no discernible difference. Hell, most people today are watching content on their tiny ass phones.

@@b3owu1f True, if we no longer notice differences like in a pc, imagine in a cellphone.

How does it look on a Cinema screen in comparison though

Until u rmb the dragon 6k sensor was introduced in 2012 or smtg like that

@@MisterWealth Simple, Who noticed when Captain Marvel switched from their 8k Red's and 6k Alexa's to the footage from the tiny 1080p Blackmagic Micro Cinema Camera? Answer: next to nobody. The same was true of Age of Ultron and dozens of other movies that incorporated the original 2k pocket cinema camera. The pocket4k and pocket 6k will be even less noticeable.

The same can be said with the Reds battery. That is an addon and correct me if I am wrong but the side control mount for the red has a small battery that only last about 20-30 minutes if that. You most always have to use a v-mount battery (brick) or REd XL

You're so right. That was a stupid comparison, or at least stupid to give the point to the Red in that category.

Basil Lewis yeah I didn’t think the red came out of the box with a battery. But you can’t expect too much out of a review that’s done by youtubers, they usually butcher the reviews when they pick up cameras designed for film. And colour grading in premier was cringeworthy They need to stick too mirrorless and DSLR reviews.

@@backlightmedia1628 Truth!

Can you swivel the BM screen? If not, that would seem to be a hindrance in certain shots as well as a nightmare with glare in some situations. I'd rather versatile positioning with my monitors. Also, if you add an additional monitor to BM then your battery will last probably 6 minutes.

So truth

Precisely!

Nailed it.

😂😂😂

Hhahaha you nailed it bro

I think they would charge the same camera but... for 10k and making a profit...

Blackmagic already makes the Ursa Mini Pro, a full sized production camera. Check it out.

@@raksh9 I own both a Mini Ursa 4.6 and a Pro and they are amazing. However the design is terrible. Ugly as hell. Amazing but if we could get a camera without looking at the price it wouldn't be the Mini Ursa Pro.

@@raksh9 That's not a fully fledged cinema camera to rival Arri's cameras. I would love to see Blackmagic do that though.

It needs to be medium format and uncompressed raw to rival Arri. I expect a medium format camera from them but uncompressed raw is unlikely.

Hollywood would seem to agree with you on that.

alexa is more expensive than RED and there isn't a better camera they just have different color science. BMPCC6k def wins for price but do not ignorantly say the red is overpriced and the alexa is more quality because that just isn't true. its all about perspective and what your filming.

Meh... both paid Netflix enough to be approved??? What a crock...

I agree completely. Why do you think the best movies of our modern day use Alexa ARRI, like the movie, "1917." Still, the Blackmagic is more within MY price range, lol. I can only dream of the Alexa ARRI, and could only wish I had a RED.

Alexa is more costly than red

Jude Okun Do you think the Blackmagic will be fair for Wedding Videography?

Q For weddings there is a need for a fast and reliable autofocus which blackmagic unfortunately does not have. I was using for the most part Sony a6300 but now it's a bit outdated so you should maybe consider Sony a6400 (or Sony a7iii). It has one of the best autofocus and if you go with a7iii you have also one of the best low light capabilities. I would also say that Canon could be good but in this price point I can't really recommend any of their cameras. But if you were using manual focus for weddings before and it worked blackmagic should be amazing due to image quality but honestly I would go with something with worse IQ but great af cuz IQ and sharpness doesn't matter if the subject is out of focus. Hope it helped a little bit ;) have a nice day

I agree with a lot the points you made! Genuinely super impressed with the BM.. absolutely nothing against it. Just a fun comparison, you can't take it too seriously! Thanks for your input, man!

Totally agree, this video is totally bias for the Red camera... I don´t know why....

Jude Okun totally agree!

But you also dont need a 2.5k camera to make a great movie :)

Big facts!

All you need is a brain and the tools to make a good film. Cheap or not.

You can do it with any camera!

you can do great videos with your phone ;)

Yea, these guys are complete tools.

@@ephektz I was and still shocked by that guy's opinion ;)

ephektz 😂

clueless people

Yup! :D

me as well, guess a red is really only to impress ppl now lol

@@mindmeldlearning8497 Red cameras aren't as good as many people believe. The BMPCC6K perform much better, even the depth of field is much nicer than the red one. THe only things that makes Red a better camera for outdoor daylight shoots is due to it's dynamic range and yet the BMPCC is amazing at that too. Now that said I totally knew the B shots were Blackmagic cause I knew was looking at the dynamic range more than the quality of the shots. And it's on the hand of a dynamic range that you can recegnize some cameras and also their color science. But this I have no clue and don't care as we colorgrade anyways.

Marco Barron me too I thought the red was B Black magic for the win

me too

Me Too! I thought for sure B was from the RED

Also, the plug-in is free, and takes a whole 60 seconds to download and install. It's a non-issue. I sold my RED Epic MX for Blackmagic and I would never buy RED again. RED just charges you for their name.

$50k is what they charge, its not worth $50k. The cost of making the camera are probably significantly lower like $5k and they are making crazy margins just cause they can.

@@sadworldwide yea but manufacturing isn't the only cost. It's a niche product that isn't going to move millions of units but you still have to pay support staff, marketing teams, and R&D teams. Also their quality control is top notch . Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the margins are high but I'm not sure if they are as ludicrous as you'd imagine.

@OLDSKOOL978 thanks for correcting me. I've never personally used one I just know people that gush about them constantly

Better doesnt mean cheaper. Better is how advanced, better sensor, image overall.

You are so correct! It's amazing how BlackMagic comes up with these cameras!

@PRIVATE that is so true!!!!

Everyone keeps forgetting that Panasonic started it with the gh5 and gh5s thanks to them we can get these good cameras at these prices

@@kbasemuzik gh4 started that, ithink

6K Matrix bullet-time effect

Then im you must be a RU-vidr 😊

That would be a mistake if you are delivering professionally or do real shoots with sync boxes...smart slates... Wireless setups. Etc. Though the Ursa Mini G2 may be okay.

@@mikehoffman1820 The P4k and P6k cameras write file timecode via the minijack input... so sync generators and smart slates work just fine with these devices :-)

@@mikehoffman1820 you can deliver professionally with pretty much any camera.. you don't need a $50,000 to shoot a professional video. On that same point, you can have a $50,000 camera and shoot horrible videos. It's about how you shoot, not what you're using.

Thanks for the info.

it's absurd, I kept watching to see how worse it could go.

Leiki Ueda I totally agree. They would rule

I wish they’d add continuous auto focus. I wouldn’t use it much but it’s definitely needed sometimes.

Auto focus? That would mean they would need to develop it... which will increase the cost which will mean more development better hardware more software more interface more more more... then after three versions of refining it people will be happy about the auto focus but not the cost of the camera... ha

Coming soon ;) Not from Blackmagic Design though. www.newsshooter.com/2020/08/18/bmpcc-continuous-autofocus-with-cda-tek-afx-module/

@@adraskovic That looks very promising tbh!

a slight edit if i could.. "stop limiting yourself by editing.. in Premiere!" :)

you're funny

But why wouldn’t you shoot in B-Raw? I simply do not understand why 1 would not take advantage of the speed and versatility of BRaw. Prores is great, I have used it for years but BRaw smokes it in file size and imagery.

@@whipkeymedia definitely. But how is it a win for the screen when it doesn't have a screen. The win is for the potential of the screen you can buy?

@@whipkeymedia I totally understand that the Red screen is much better than the built in one. I'm asking how that is considered a win when comparing a camera that doesn't have a screen to one that does. I'm not really thinking about affordability, I just believe it would be fair to at least give the point to the camera with the screen but mention that the other one has the option for much better screen from the manufacturer.

Dalton Randall i was thinking the same thing one word ... jinnimag

lol, i know right? Honestly, if this video was a fully decked out BMPCC 6k vs that decked out RED camera they have... it should have gone a different way. Also the addition of Resolve is a pretty big deal. The camera files haven't been optimized fully yet, I mean, it just came out! So yeah...

@@definitionxmk plus... nobody actually quite realizes that the BMPCC is just a fucking prototype. They are only startign with and seeing what people say about it and can do with it. If they listen to their clients and keep improving things as they usually do, Black Magic might overrun the market very soon. It is actually amazing what they have done. Only thing I am not sure it will perform great and no one is talking about is how well it performs in differetn weather and harsh temperature conditions. I say this cause even the Camcorders aren't really a thing anymore, they are built to last longer on shoots and on high as well as low temperatures which no one talks about. Whereas mirorrless cameras don't perform very well, they overheat fast and stop. and at very low temperatures they stop reacting. Which obviously what high end pro cameras are for in the end. Hence the price and the production. BMPCC and mirrorles and dslrs are more meant for the most normal environments.

Haha we just gave RED the benefit of the doubt... but yes, we're aware of the hate that REDs been getting

@@landonbtw The well deserved hate*

Though.. the BM camera operator wont have an achy back, and will have a massive amount more money in the bank.

@@b3owu1f and will use the pro Hollywood level software that is included for free which can edit, color grade, and handle audio and final rendering production

no you get the commercial version of Resolve for free instead of $299 and Resolve is used by pros in Hollywood whereas Premiere is use in YT and FB

@@silbay I`ve got the 15 version incl Fusion. Til then, the free version was without Fusion. Within Fusion was called "Studio Version".

I'm brand agnostic when it comes to cine cameras, but ask yourself why rental houses will generally carry Arri and Red packages not Blackmagic.

@@adamhawkes84 Okay... that's what you feel.

@@stealthstar4 Nothing against the camera, it has some great features.

His Red set up is years old at this point and they don't even make a DSMC2 6k Dragon anymore. The equivalent brain (DSMC2 Dragon-X 5k) is $14,500, or you could go with a Helium 8k for $24,500, and there's about $10k of accessories on there if you were to buy today. So your total to buy that Red today is half of what he's claiming. Still not cheap, but nowhere near $50k or $80k

People never read things properly. They just post to sound important. #CockSniffers

1dx will fail so they wont make a comparison :D

fucking idiot

Yep. The 13.5 stops on a 1DX doesn’t hold up next to the p6k. Impossible.

@@jakejames1591 So is this the only feature you need to make quality films? So let me give you the pocket and I take the 1D and that means you will come back the winner? Is that what you are saying? Think you missing a lot about what this thing is about. Dynamic range is just what Bokeh was a few years ago. Something novice talk too damn much about.

AHS Society calm down, bro. I’m just making a statement. He clearly says “it’s the same as 1DX II” in the video and I’m just disagreeing. Geez. Lol. For me, the p4k/p6k is the superior camera for video for tons of reasons.

Not true brother lol my g2x tilta can work with red or even ursa lol do your research

I own a Red Gemini and Blackmagic 6k, I use the Red as gimbal camera nearly every time I shoot. Just need the right gimbal - I use a Ronin MX or a Movi Pro, and it is possible to even get it on the Ronin-S (although I don't know why anyone would want to do that).

Because you want to make billion dollar grossing film buddy. 😊👍

I want to know if you have the following problems and if you do, how you've fixed them. I am seriously considering getting the BMPCC6k so I downloaded some footage from the BlackMagic site to get a feel.of the workflow on DAVINCI resolve. Each time I tried to render the files after grading (or even Render color cache) Davinci resolve crashes. Always. My laptop is the HP Omen 15, 8GB Ram, 1tb HDD +128gb SSD, 4GB Nvidia 1050ti graphics card, and core i5 8th Gen processor. Note that this laptop handled the BMPCC4K raw files smoothly.

Thank you in anticipation.

@@SamuelObafemi I can't help you out since I'm a Premiere Pro user :/ sorry man! I have no crashes in Premiere with the 6K footage if that helps at all.

@@CinemaSteve ohh wow!! Thank you regardless. I appreciate your speedy response. 😊😊😊

it's even less

@@fulltimefilmmaker nice)